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2013-01-13 05:21:29 PM  
You know what task oriented enterprise software end users really enjoy? That's right, re-learning how to use their operating system, because the operating system on their desktop at work is the most important priority they have.

"It's even better than the introduction of ribbon menu's," said Suzy in Accounting. "I can't wait for them to alphabetize the keyboard so everyone will be able to type!"
 
2013-01-13 05:30:41 PM  
I was mighty baffled by the Metro Interface. I've gotten the hang of it now, and I don't feel it's much better than the Win7 Start Menu. Although I do like the easy access to my Google Calendar and Contacts.

Also, my sound card went buggy because of outdated drivers that Creative Labs was not interested in updating. I had to by a brand new card.
 
2013-01-13 05:31:08 PM  

Bschott007: I am the service manager at a local computer shop and the host of a 1 hour tech/computer help radio show.

At my shop I have had 31 computers brought into the shop by owners asking us to remove windows 8 and put on windows 7. When offered to be trained on windows 8 for less than half the cost of having windows 7 installed, not a single customer was interested.

Last Friday, 2 laptops and a desktop, all different customers mind you, we're dropped of at our shop to have windows 8 removed and windows 7 installed.

That isn't mentioning the 5-10 calls a day to out shop by people asking how they perform simple tasks in there windows 8 computers. Nor the numerous calls by listener to the radio station asking for help with their new windows 8 computers

My experience is showing consumer either are confused by or hate windows 8.


Ymmv


Yep, that's my experience here in the trenches as well. Yet it's funny that our resident FarkExpertsTM can't understand why anyone wouldn't love it.

"See, you just have to do x instead of y now....except when you have to do z...and for God's sake, DON'T forget to sign up for a Live account! Don't want to sign up for a Live account and try to close the program? We'll just put up a white screen saying, "Sorry, you have to sign up for a Live account...now just go ahead and see if you can get out of this screen, NOOB!"
 
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2013-01-13 05:34:56 PM  

LasersHurt: And nobody has proven that Windows 8 makes you less productive. Or more productive. I don't think anyone's done a study.


There doesn't have to be a study. If I dump my Windows 7 machine and purchase a new PC with WIN 8 and have to learn a new interface, it is NOT possible that I am more productive for sometime.  The time wasted learning a new interface is what people are reluctant to embrace.  It's like Office going to the ribbon, it took quite a while before I could do the things I already KNEW how to do on the previous version.  At one point I was in a hurry at work and literally became so frustrated with Office that I pulled out paper and a pencil to get a job done.

I look at Windows designers as profoundly arrogant.  They decide, "with our next version we'll redirect the market and force all our users to re-learn their productivity tools".

It's a betrayal.  People buy their products, the users invest a significant portion of their lives learning how to use those products then when the company decides it wants to make more money, change their image, etc. etc, they pull the rug out from under their loyal customers.  Whatever happened to gradual change?  Where one version makes changes to a final end result?  No, Micro soft had determined that much of what you know about windows will have to be relearned.  It's easier for Microsoft because they don't have to plan long term change.
 
2013-01-13 05:41:06 PM  
I don't understand why "PC Market still stinks" = "Windows 8 sucks".
There is no OS that will stop the PC market from declining. People just don't need that many PCs anymore.
 
2013-01-13 05:43:44 PM  

LasersHurt: This tells me that you know very little about the internals of Windows over the last decade.


I don't give a shiat about the internals of Windows.

And therein lies the problem with trying to market an operating system as a commercial product. End-users don't notice the important functionality and focus only on what looks different.
 
2013-01-13 05:49:51 PM  

poot_rootbeer: LasersHurt: This tells me that you know very little about the internals of Windows over the last decade.

I don't give a shiat about the internals of Windows.

And therein lies the problem with trying to market an operating system as a commercial product. End-users don't notice the important functionality and focus only on what looks different.


Its like plumbing. If you do your job right, no one should notice.
 
2013-01-13 05:50:43 PM  

Zmog: Ignore grammar fail above.


I blame it on Windows 8.
 
2013-01-13 06:00:02 PM  

LasersHurt: The complaint this keeps boiling down to is "anything is different at all, and any learning at all makes it a bad OS." I think that's lazy, because it takes literally SECONDS to learn what to do, and the OS outside of these few new things is great.


Do any of the changes make sense from a user point of view? Do they enhance the user experience? Do they make the workflow more efficient? Honest question. I haven't used Win 8 yet, but from what I can surmise from reviews posted online, the main criticisms boil down to this: the changes might make sense from a long-term business strategy point of view, but the end user doesn't benefit at all. So what's your opinion on the changes from a user standpoint?
 
2013-01-13 06:08:21 PM  

LasersHurt: I just don't get it... "Do not change features of Windows. However, change is natural and happens sometimes. But don't do it to Windows."


Ford and GM manage to update their cars every few years and make them faster, quieter, safer and more comfortable. But they keep the gas and brake pedals, the steering wheel etc where everyone expects them to be.

What if Honda decided to "unify" their car and bike controls? Bought out their latest car that had handlebars, twist grip gas, hand brakes and foot operated gear change, and expected car drivers who had never driven a bike to work it out? Would you post "Jeez, it's not rocket science! To change gear just grip the lever on the handlebars and press that pedal with your foot! It's just as easy!"?

/Loves W8.
//With Classic Shell.
 
2013-01-13 06:14:06 PM  
i166.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-13 06:27:30 PM  

NFA: It's a betrayal.  People buy their products, the users invest a significant portion of their lives learning how to use those products then when the company decides it wants to make more money, change their image, etc. etc, they pull the rug out from under their loyal customers.  Whatever happened to gradual change?  Where one version makes changes to a final end result?  No, Micro soft had determined that much of what you know about windows will have to be relearned.  It's easier for Microsoft because they don't have to plan long term change.


Well, remember, Apple did this too, in 2001 when they released OS X 10.1. They completely overhauled it to the point older apps only worked in a weird compatibility mode. It was a strange transition - especially if you used big Apple apps like Photoshop which struggled and hemmed and hawed about getting compatible.

The difference is while it was a big graphical shift, they also had big underlying changes that made the graphical shifts tolerable. Yes, you don't have your Apple Menu anymore, but now one bad program doesn't crash your entire computer. Control Panels shrinking to one. Better peripheral support, ect.

The biggest problem is Win 8 doesn't do anything that significantly better then Win 7 - the driver base is the same. Programs work the same (if they're older Win 7 apps). I The new Windows Apps are nice, but not an earth-shattering change. If you go on the Windows App store, what the they? Very few productivity apps - some games, a lot of information retrieval apps - apps that basically replicate a website. But things that are genuinely useful and interesting? Not many. So far, there's no app like Shazam was for iOS or Word was for Windows 3.1. On the topic of full-screen Apps, let's look at Apple again. They added full screen apps without sacrificing the basic operations of the OS. Instead of new, centrally-controlled Apps, anyone can make any app full screen relatively easily.

And despite how similarly they look - Windows RT (BTW, what the hell does RT mean?) and Windows 8 are signifigantly different. I have at my store returned more then half the very few RT Devices we've sold. People are just hobbled by poor apps, lack of x86 apps and general slowness. Also, have you seen the commercials for Surface? All about the hardware. Half the people who ask me about it don't even know what the hell it does! They return it and get less expensive, more expansive, more mature Android devices.

I like Windows 8 so far. But it's very very easy for me to see the huge gaping holes, especially when i compare my Win 8 gaming PC compared to my very mature iMac, something that does most of what Win 8 tries for, and does it more elegantly.
 
2013-01-13 06:31:18 PM  

LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.


But but I have to spend 20 minutes to learn something
 
2013-01-13 06:32:49 PM  
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This is what your desktop looks like after easily switching from default. Which leads me to wonder why so many people are whining about Metro or whatever it's officially called. YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE IT!!!

Granted, this only applies to OEM. I sure has hell wouldn't purchase 8 outright; no reason to. But I also wouldn't hold on buying a new computer until the next OS is out. You're only hurting yourself that way.

There is nothing wrong with 8. That also means there's no reason to upgrade. But don't fear it just because it's on the laptop you want to buy.
 
2013-01-13 06:35:13 PM  

oh_please: "I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

"How do I restart/shut down?"

"I don't know how to find a file"


Not sure if serious
/Am I going to make a Windows 8 for tards video
 
2013-01-13 06:37:31 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

But but I have to spend 20 minutes to learn something


If you have to spend 20 minutes learning it, it's a failure of design. You shouldn't have to "learn" it the way you "learned" your times tables. You should find it naturally progressing.

It's one reason i think iOS is the brightest thing ever thought up - a 2 year old can learn it. That's intuitive, human-based design. It's what Windows 8 isn't.
 
2013-01-13 06:38:57 PM  

Flint Ironstag: LasersHurt: I just don't get it... "Do not change features of Windows. However, change is natural and happens sometimes. But don't do it to Windows."

Ford and GM manage to update their cars every few years and make them faster, quieter, safer and more comfortable. But they keep the gas and brake pedals, the steering wheel etc where everyone expects them to be.

What if Honda decided to "unify" their car and bike controls? Bought out their latest car that had handlebars, twist grip gas, hand brakes and foot operated gear change, and expected car drivers who had never driven a bike to work it out? Would you post "Jeez, it's not rocket science! To change gear just grip the lever on the handlebars and press that pedal with your foot! It's just as easy!"?

/Loves W8.
//With Classic Shell.


Let's put it another way. The original cars had no mirrors, windshields, or seatbelts and you had to turn a crank in the back in order to get them to start. Should cars still look like that, just so we don't change the UI?
 
2013-01-13 06:42:25 PM  

saintstryfe: drjekel_mrhyde: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

But but I have to spend 20 minutes to learn something

If you have to spend 20 minutes learning it, it's a failure of design. You shouldn't have to "learn" it the way you "learned" your times tables. You should find it naturally progressing.

It's one reason i think iOS is the brightest thing ever thought up - a 2 year old can learn it. That's intuitive, human-based design. It's what Windows 8 isn't.


The problem isn't two year olds. You can probably put a two year old in front of anything and they'd learn it eventually. The problem is adults who struggle to learn computer interfaces, so any change for them is problematic. The change could make things far easier and more intuitive, and a certain group of people will struggle with it because they learned one way to do things.
 
2013-01-13 06:43:17 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: oh_please: "I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

"How do I restart/shut down?"

"I don't know how to find a file"

Not sure if serious
/Am I going to make a Windows 8 for tards video


Do it, you'd get a lot of views.

My clients who ask these questions aren't tards, they've been on Windows for years. Obviously you don't support end users.
 
2013-01-13 06:43:49 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: oh_please: "I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

"How do I restart/shut down?"

"I don't know how to find a file"

Not sure if serious
/Am I going to make a Windows 8 for tards video


Actually, in W8 full screen Apps, there is no close button. You have to throw your mouse to the top, center of the screen, wait for the cursor to change, click and drag it to the bottom and release. It's not intuitive at all.

I didn't know where Restart/Shut Down where at first, either. I had to play with it for 5 minutes. not much to me, but to some people that's a very displeasing task.

Find a file is confusing - when you pull up your charms (by throwing your mouse to the upper or lower right corner of the screen) you select search. In that, if you're in a full screen App it will initially search in the app you're using. It doesn't default to the system as a whole.

File management is a big problem for Win 8 - it looks forward to an iOS-like world where filesystems are hidden from the user, but file management is the very basis of Windows.

If you have Win 8, try to save a document in a full screen app - try like Chrome. If I right-click a link, the Save Dialog takes up the entire window. It also doesn't default to someplace easy like the Documents folder or the Desktop - it defaults in the App's directory. THat's just sad. It might just be Chrome, but it is annoying.
 
2013-01-13 06:44:02 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: oh_please: "I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

"How do I restart/shut down?"

"I don't know how to find a file"

Not sure if serious
/Am I going to make a Windows 8 for tards video


I consider myself pretty PC savvy. First time I opened a Metro app I couldn't work out how to close it. After fifteen years of Windows programmes having a close/minimise/maximise box top right suddenly there isn't one.
If you got a new car and suddenly found that the gear stick didn't have reverse and I said "Well you wave your hand over the stick and a reverse button appears! Duh!" would you consider that reasonable? Once you know it you can use it, but it is not intuitive or obvious.
 
2013-01-13 06:44:30 PM  

Telos: Flint Ironstag: LasersHurt: I just don't get it... "Do not change features of Windows. However, change is natural and happens sometimes. But don't do it to Windows."

Ford and GM manage to update their cars every few years and make them faster, quieter, safer and more comfortable. But they keep the gas and brake pedals, the steering wheel etc where everyone expects them to be.

What if Honda decided to "unify" their car and bike controls? Bought out their latest car that had handlebars, twist grip gas, hand brakes and foot operated gear change, and expected car drivers who had never driven a bike to work it out? Would you post "Jeez, it's not rocket science! To change gear just grip the lever on the handlebars and press that pedal with your foot! It's just as easy!"?

/Loves W8.
//With Classic Shell.

Let's put it another way. The original cars had no mirrors, windshields, or seatbelts and you had to turn a crank in the back in order to get them to start. Should cars still look like that, just so we don't change the UI?


UI changes are good when they make the system work better. These don't.
 
2013-01-13 06:46:20 PM  

dickfreckle: Granted, this only applies to OEM.


Where "switching from default" means "buying from an OEM that has a piece of start menu crapware you like". That looks an awful lot like the Samsung "start menu" app that they offer on their own devices. And not every OEM offers such a thing. And, of course, we all know that third-party crapware that OEMs preinstall always works perfectly and never causes any problems at all.

If you had a valid point you wouldn't have to be disingenuous about it. That's not the start menu, it's not part of the OS, it's not supported by Microsoft. It's a third party piece of crapware preinstalled on some Samsung devices.
 
2013-01-13 06:46:36 PM  

saintstryfe: drjekel_mrhyde: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

But but I have to spend 20 minutes to learn something

If you have to spend 20 minutes learning it, it's a failure of design. You shouldn't have to "learn" it the way you "learned" your times tables. You should find it naturally progressing.

It's one reason i think iOS is the brightest thing ever thought up - a 2 year old can learn it. That's intuitive, human-based design. It's what Windows 8 isn't.


My seven year old got it. How the fark hard is it to go to the left bottom part of the screen(not metro menu) and right farking click and get your old shiat back
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2013-01-13 06:47:41 PM  
I just don't get the fact that people are UPSET that they have to learn something new about a computer OS.
 
2013-01-13 06:48:20 PM  

Telos: The problem isn't two year olds. You can probably put a two year old in front of anything and they'd learn it eventually. The problem is adults who struggle to learn computer interfaces, so any change for them is problematic. The change could make things far easier and more intuitive, and a certain group of people will struggle with it because they learned one way to do things.


I dig - but the thing is, even rote learners will eventually nod and agree if things are actually better. Win 8's changes generally just either slow down or obfuscate the user.
 
2013-01-13 06:48:58 PM  

Telos: What if Honda decided to "unify" their car and bike controls? Bought out their latest car that had handlebars, twist grip gas, hand brakes and foot operated gear change, and expected car drivers who had never driven a bike to work it out? Would you post "Jeez, it's not rocket science! To change gear just grip the lever on the handlebars and press that pedal with your foot! It's just as easy!"?

/Loves W8.
//With Classic Shell.

Let's put it another way. The original cars had no mirrors, windshields, or seatbelts and you had to turn a crank in the back in order to get them to start. Should cars still look like that, just so we don't change the UI?


Mirrors help you see, and were an addition. Windshields keep your face from freezing and were an addition. Seatbelts save your life and were an addition.

Removing the start button, and its hierarchical program menu, is taking away a feature.

What does Metro actually add? Mirrors, windscreens and seatbelts all added a useful function. What does removing Start and adding Metro actually add?
 
2013-01-13 06:52:07 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: My seven year old got it. How the fark hard is it to go to the left bottom part of the screen(not metro menu) and right farking click and get your old shiat back


If I have to teach a veteran Windows user to do that, that's a complete FAIL on Microsoft's part.
 
2013-01-13 06:54:42 PM  

LasersHurt: I don't know why they cry so much about change.


Because you're a short-sighted prick who thinks everyone should be just like you?
 
2013-01-13 06:57:15 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: My seven year old got it. How the fark hard is it to go to the left bottom part of the screen(not metro menu) and right farking click and get your old shiat back


As a dissatisfied W8 user I get all of that, but my response is, "Why add all those unneeded layers of complexity to what was otherwise a pretty clean and mature system? It's not like my laptop has a touch screen that really benefits from the W8 GUI. It's just a farking W7 machine with added clutter that in no way enhances the experience.
 
2013-01-13 06:59:25 PM  

dickfreckle: But I also wouldn't hold on buying a new computer until the next OS is out. You're only hurting yourself that way.


Please, we'd all love to hear how this hurts us in any way at all.
My computer works perfectly fine exactly as is. I'm hurting myself by not installing this abortion?

/shill much?
 
2013-01-13 06:59:53 PM  
Here's one of the derp I hear " Flash can not be installed in IE 10 on Windows 8"
/Flash is already installed in IE10 you just have to enable it
//Unless you are one of those who like Pop up Flash videos
 
2013-01-13 07:01:28 PM  

ReverendJasen: dickfreckle: But I also wouldn't hold on buying a new computer until the next OS is out. You're only hurting yourself that way.

Please, we'd all love to hear how this hurts us in any way at all.
My computer works perfectly fine exactly as is. I'm hurting myself by not installing this abortion?

/shill much?


I don't think he was saying that - he's just saying don't limp on a C2D for the next 4 years waiting for Win 9 (aka Win 8 SP2). There's probably going to be no benefit to waiting.

/MS wouldn't be getting this hate if they just allowed downgrades within the Support Timeframe for 7
 
2013-01-13 07:02:07 PM  

doglover: You want your OS to be adopted? Stop charging for it.


[citation needed]
 
2013-01-13 07:02:35 PM  

ReverendJasen: LasersHurt: I don't know why they cry so much about change.

Because you're a short-sighted prick who thinks everyone should be just like you?


Boy you're angry, eh?
 
2013-01-13 07:03:53 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: oh_please: "I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

"How do I restart/shut down?"

"I don't know how to find a file"

Not sure if serious
/Am I going to make a Windows 8 for tards video


How can you not be sure that's serious? Virtually every new Windows 8 user I've seen had those same questions, often more than once since the answers are easy to forget and hard to discover just by playing around.
 
2013-01-13 07:04:31 PM  

Stone Meadow: drjekel_mrhyde: My seven year old got it. How the fark hard is it to go to the left bottom part of the screen(not metro menu) and right farking click and get your old shiat back

As a dissatisfied W8 user I get all of that, but my response is, "Why add all those unneeded layers of complexity to what was otherwise a pretty clean and mature system? It's not like my laptop has a touch screen that really benefits from the W8 GUI. It's just a farking W7 machine with added clutter that in no way enhances the experience.


truthfully I think people that have Xbox or a Windows phone have no problem with it. I love live tiles BTW so it fits
/W8 box using a mouse and keyboard and no problems
 
2013-01-13 07:05:11 PM  

FriarReb98: Confused, all right.   Confused as to why they think people want touchscreen EVERYTHING.  I can't stand touch screens. It'll never be as exact as a mouse, period.  And that's before we talk about how they are trying to push tablets, and giving the option to buy a keyboard to go with it.  Also known as... oh ya, A FARKING NOTEBOOK. (One with much less memory than what most people need, FWIW.)

I need a laptop.  I need one with a shiatload of memory.  I don't need touchscreen.  I don't need to do 90% of what you see people doing in Windows commercials, at least not in the way they do it.  My laptop is currently almost 2-1/2 years old.  If it dies before the next generation, I'm sure as shiat having my best friend (a computer geek who feels the exact same way about 8 as I do) re-image it in a crack-addict's heartbeat.


I thought I was alone.

- will never buy anything touchscreen again.
- worst experience ever
 
2013-01-13 07:05:46 PM  

ReverendJasen: LasersHurt: I don't know why they cry so much about change.

Because you're a short-sighted prick who thinks everyone should be just like you?


I'm not sure whether he's an MS shill or not, but if he is, he should tell his bosses that end-users FARKING HATE Windows 8. I shouldn't be biatching, it's good money for me, but goddamn I haven't seen a worse clusterfark in terms of usability for PCs.
 
2013-01-13 07:06:03 PM  

saintstryfe: ReverendJasen: dickfreckle: But I also wouldn't hold on buying a new computer until the next OS is out. You're only hurting yourself that way.

Please, we'd all love to hear how this hurts us in any way at all.
My computer works perfectly fine exactly as is. I'm hurting myself by not installing this abortion?

/shill much?

I don't think he was saying that - he's just saying don't limp on a C2D for the next 4 years waiting for Win 9 (aka Win 8 SP2). There's probably going to be no benefit to waiting.

/MS wouldn't be getting this hate if they just allowed downgrades within the Support Timeframe for 7


They do for some Link
 
2013-01-13 07:07:08 PM  

deSelby: drjekel_mrhyde: oh_please: "I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

"How do I restart/shut down?"

"I don't know how to find a file"

Not sure if serious
/Am I going to make a Windows 8 for tards video

How can you not be sure that's serious? Virtually every new Windows 8 user I've seen had those same questions, often more than once since the answers are easy to forget and hard to discover just by playing around.


Let me Google that for you
 
2013-01-13 07:07:54 PM  

LasersHurt: Boy you're angry, eh?


Why does one need be angry to call out pricks when they see them?
My day's going fine. Even this thread made me giggle a bit. Lulz I tell ya.
 
2013-01-13 07:08:43 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: deSelby: drjekel_mrhyde: oh_please: "I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

"How do I restart/shut down?"

"I don't know how to find a file"

Not sure if serious
/Am I going to make a Windows 8 for tards video

How can you not be sure that's serious? Virtually every new Windows 8 user I've seen had those same questions, often more than once since the answers are easy to forget and hard to discover just by playing around.

Let me Google that for you


So you have to Google to learn how to do basic tasks on your new machine? FAIL.
 
2013-01-13 07:13:13 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Let me Google that for you


I've seen users try to Google answers for themselves. They move their pointer to the right and *woosh*, some other program slides over replacing their browser. Frustration and helplessness.
 
2013-01-13 07:14:59 PM  

LasersHurt: I just don't get the fact that people are UPSET that they have to learn something new about a computer OS.


It's not that they have to learn something new, it's that they have to learn something new that is both non intuitive as previous iterations were, and was changed for pretty much no reason other than to be able to release a new OS they can charge folks for. I just don't get the fact that you're so obtuse as to not understand this despite it being explained numerous times. Fix what's broken and can use improvement, leave what works alone. What's so hard about that?
 
2013-01-13 07:15:07 PM  
Windows 8 is a fine OS with a bunch of badly thought-through interface changes. Most of the changes can be fixed with a quick google "how do I do x in Windows 8?" to learn the new command.

I miss some kind of Start button in the taskbar. I keep opening Internet Explorer instead of hitting the sweet spot to get the Start button. They could have at least made the sweet spot the same size as the "minimize all" area on the other side of the task bar.

I miss XP mode from my Windows 7 upgrade. I have to support XP still and it was handy.

I think Metro is rubbish and spend no time there. You want fun, figure out how to change Weather from Fahrenheit to Celsius. Hint: it's not in Weather's Settings, where you'd expect to find it, once you've found the Charms Settings for it, that is. Metro is chock-a-block with design inconsistencies and bad choices like that. Closing Metro apps isn't exactly intuitive.

Mark II Metro might be better but I'm still no fan of active Metro tiles. They just make a visually noisy landscape that presents little in the way of new or useful information.

The OS itself is pretty solid. It's stable, it's fast. The UI problems will probably get sorted out in time. I imagine Microsoft is hearing an earful from people about all the things they hate. You got to think some of that will percolate down to the design team. In the meantime, Windows 8 is hard to support for all the good reasons other posters have already listed.
 
2013-01-13 07:15:11 PM  

Flint Ironstag: What does Metro actually add? Mirrors, windscreens and seatbelts all added a useful function. What does removing Start and adding Metro actually add?


To continue the car analogy, Windows 8 is a car which has had it's gas pedal, brake pedal and steering wheel replaced with a theremin.

And yes, while you may someday learn how to wave your hands around in just the right way make this car move where you want it to go, NOBODY HAS TIME FOR THAT. We've got places to be, and not a lot of time to get there, and this clunky excuse for a control scheme is just getting in the way.

Is it any wonder that the general consensus is that windows 8 is a lemon?

Ever heard the phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it?"

It wasn't broke. Why did you idiots try to "fix" it?
 
2013-01-13 07:17:56 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: LasersHurt: I just don't get the fact that people are UPSET that they have to learn something new about a computer OS.

It's not that they have to learn something new, it's that they have to learn something new that is both non intuitive as previous iterations were, and was changed for pretty much no reason other than to be able to release a new OS they can charge folks for. I just don't get the fact that you're so obtuse as to not understand this despite it being explained numerous times. Fix what's broken and can use improvement, leave what works alone. What's so hard about that?


You're saying totally subjective things that are nothing more than opinions, what do you want me to glean from that?
 
2013-01-13 07:22:29 PM  

LasersHurt: Dingleberry Dickwad: LasersHurt: I just don't get the fact that people are UPSET that they have to learn something new about a computer OS.

It's not that they have to learn something new, it's that they have to learn something new that is both non intuitive as previous iterations were, and was changed for pretty much no reason other than to be able to release a new OS they can charge folks for. I just don't get the fact that you're so obtuse as to not understand this despite it being explained numerous times. Fix what's broken and can use improvement, leave what works alone. What's so hard about that?

You're saying totally subjective things that are nothing more than opinions, what do you want me to glean from that?


That Win 8 has a shiatty UI like everyone has been saying? And for the third time in this thread, software and interfaces should be adapted to users, not users adapting to new interfaces. You know, only the same exact things that has been said multiple times in the thread.
 
2013-01-13 07:24:33 PM  

LasersHurt: You're saying totally subjective things that are nothing more than opinions, what do you want me to glean from that?


You're not too bright, are ya, son? Read the thread.
 
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