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2013-01-13 03:08:14 PM

LasersHurt: But how do you prove it's unnecessary? By what metrics do you measure the necessity of such a thing?


Is that really hard? Productivity is a measurable thing.
 
2013-01-13 03:09:49 PM

theorellior: Bungles: Windows is still a thousand times easier to use than any Mac OS variant (still have no idea what I'm doing when unexpectedly plonked on a Mac, after 15 years of it happening).

I just don't get comments like this. C'mon, man, use your noggin. I've used Macs from 7.5 on and Windows from 3.11 on. They're not really that different. I'm more comfortable with the interface design choices for Macs, but they're not all that different.



It's just different enough to infuriate. When a Mac goes wrong (be it some driver has clearly gone loopy, or some application has gone tits up) I'm totally lost, like my grandma on any computer. When Windows goes wrong, I can dig myself out of the hole pretty easily.
 
2013-01-13 03:10:41 PM

LasersHurt: But how do you prove it's unnecessary? By what metrics do you measure the necessity of such a thing?


I don't know, ask the people who deemed it necessary and are now watching their OS flounder in the market. It's their job to figure it out, not mine.

Did anybody ask for this? Did they do testing that determined this design change improved customer experience?

When it comes down to it, it's all about the benjamins, and, by that metric, it seems those of us poo-pooing their design are the ones who are right. Unless Windows 8 enjoys a sudden and unexpected surge in sales it sure seems like people either outright hate it or, at least, don't see any value in it.

styckx: Windows 8 is fine, I love it actually. What I farking hate is how many software developers are telling end users to get bent and that they aren't supporting Windows 8 and you're an asshole for installing it.


Meh. That happens with every new release. The only real way to avoid that nonsense, especially with some hardware vendors and their drivers (I'm glaring at you HP) is to wait until the first service pack is released and the software and hardware vendors have no real choice anymore but to support it.

Of course, as slow as Windows 8 is selling, maybe that isn't going to happen this time....
 
2013-01-13 03:10:49 PM

I Like Bread: LasersHurt: But how do you prove it's unnecessary? By what metrics do you measure the necessity of such a thing?

Is that really hard? Productivity is a measurable thing.


And nobody has proven that Windows 8 makes you less productive. Or more productive. I don't think anyone's done a study.
 
2013-01-13 03:11:32 PM

angrymacface: OMG IT'S DIFFERENT AND I CAN'T FUNCTION WITH DIFFERENT!

That's what you people sound like.


Welcome to the real world, Ric Romero.

All kidding aside, the average PC user isn't the average Fark PC user. Nobody likes change just for the sake of it.
 
2013-01-13 03:11:43 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Did they do testing that determined this design change improved customer experience?


... no, nobody at Microsoft tested this at all.
 
2013-01-13 03:12:26 PM
Windows 8 is here for 4 or 5 years.

Computers will doing nothing but become more touchscreeny in the next 5 years. It's a decision Microsoft had to make.

It's a little like Apple ditching the cd-drive. Looked a bit barmy for the first year, then it was clearly to right design choice to have made.
 
2013-01-13 03:19:44 PM

Bungles: Computers will doing nothing but become more touchscreeny in the next 5 years. It's a decision Microsoft had to make.


People have been saying that for fifteen years and it hasn't happened, not on the desktop. People will continue to move to phones and tablets, I'm sure, but there's a reason other vendors like Apple don't have one unified interface for their traditional and handheld platforms: it's stupid. People who are using a computer at desk aren't usually playing angry birds, they're typing memos and things like that. And, I'm sorry, but the mouse is much easier to use than a touchscreen at a desk. Constantly reaching up and over the edge of the desk to manipulate the interface between typing is annoying and slow. Think about highlighting text, for example, to put an underline on it. Which is easier, click and hold the mouse right next to your keyboard and go right back to typing or fumble with a multitouch screen trying to get your selection right?

I just do not understand the point... you don't use a desktop like a tablet. It makes no sense to have the same interface on both. Which is why nobody else does it.

LasersHurt: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Did they do testing that determined this design change improved customer experience?

... no, nobody at Microsoft tested this at all.


You asked, not me. I would assume if you want to know where the value in the change lies Microsoft would be the entity to ask, not us. AFAIK Microsoft has never really offered any clear explanation for why they did this beyond their suggestions that they think it will make it easier for people to work across traditional and handheld devices.
 
2013-01-13 03:21:19 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Bungles: Computers will doing nothing but become more touchscreeny in the next 5 years. It's a decision Microsoft had to make.

People have been saying that for fifteen years and it hasn't happened, not on the desktop. People will continue to move to phones and tablets, I'm sure, but there's a reason other vendors like Apple don't have one unified interface for their traditional and handheld platforms: it's stupid. People who are using a computer at desk aren't usually playing angry birds, they're typing memos and things like that. And, I'm sorry, but the mouse is much easier to use than a touchscreen at a desk. Constantly reaching up and over the edge of the desk to manipulate the interface between typing is annoying and slow. Think about highlighting text, for example, to put an underline on it. Which is easier, click and hold the mouse right next to your keyboard and go right back to typing or fumble with a multitouch screen trying to get your selection right?

I just do not understand the point... you don't use a desktop like a tablet. It makes no sense to have the same interface on both. Which is why nobody else does it.

LasersHurt: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Did they do testing that determined this design change improved customer experience?

... no, nobody at Microsoft tested this at all.

You asked, not me. I would assume if you want to know where the value in the change lies Microsoft would be the entity to ask, not us. AFAIK Microsoft has never really offered any clear explanation for why they did this beyond their suggestions that they think it will make it easier for people to work across traditional and handheld devices.


Laptops where the screen detaches to become a tablet became mainstream this year. Add 5 years, that will be common everywhere.
 
2013-01-13 03:22:26 PM

Bungles: Laptops where the screen detaches to become a tablet became mainstream this year. Add 5 years, that will be common everywhere.


See this article from CNet.
 
2013-01-13 03:28:00 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Bungles: Computers will doing nothing but become more touchscreeny in the next 5 years. It's a decision Microsoft had to make.

People have been saying that for fifteen years and it hasn't happened, not on the desktop. People will continue to move to phones and tablets, I'm sure, but there's a reason other vendors like Apple don't have one unified interface for their traditional and handheld platforms: it's stupid. People who are using a computer at desk aren't usually playing angry birds, they're typing memos and things like that. And, I'm sorry, but the mouse is much easier to use than a touchscreen at a desk. Constantly reaching up and over the edge of the desk to manipulate the interface between typing is annoying and slow. Think about highlighting text, for example, to put an underline on it. Which is easier, click and hold the mouse right next to your keyboard and go right back to typing or fumble with a multitouch screen trying to get your selection right?

I just do not understand the point... you don't use a desktop like a tablet. It makes no sense to have the same interface on both. Which is why nobody else does it.

LasersHurt: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Did they do testing that determined this design change improved customer experience?

... no, nobody at Microsoft tested this at all.

You asked, not me. I would assume if you want to know where the value in the change lies Microsoft would be the entity to ask, not us. AFAIK Microsoft has never really offered any clear explanation for why they did this beyond their suggestions that they think it will make it easier for people to work across traditional and handheld devices.


But that is the thing, tablets and phones will be getting more and more powerful and popular. Desktops will never disappear entirely but they will for a lot of people. To me this move makes sense if you view it in the realm of total object connectivity. The same programs will run on anything in the future. So why not combine everything into one os that will eventually be the only thing you need for everything? It may not be perfect now but I can totally see it in the next 5 years. At least to me that is where they seem to be trying to take windows.
 
2013-01-13 03:30:58 PM
It's sad that a lot of people listen to trash talk of windows 8 without checking the sources of their information, most of which comes from sources owned or paid for by competitors.

Windows 8 is intended to pave the way for tablets becoming as powerful as laptops and eventually desktops in the near future. It is a little disconcerting seeing all those icons all over the Start Screen, but after you realize what is going on there is really little difference between it and windows 8. It also runs lighter than Windows 7 and has lower minimum requirements to run.

There are 4 important things to realize when switching to windows 8:
1) You are not required to have a touch screen! Though if you are using a laptop and like to use the touch pad, you can use the touch pad as if it was the screen for navigation.
2) The Start Button from previous incarnations of windows is gone and has been replaced with a Start Screen. All the programs you used to see in the Button are now on the Start Screen.
3) The Shutdown button has been moved to the Charms.
4) Click on your Desktop icon to get to the desktop. You will see little to no difference here from previous versions, other than the missing Start Button. You can freely drown it in links like most people do anyway and never need to use the Start Screen.

What I don't like about windows 8:
-The App version of Internet Explorer sucks monkey snot. Good thing I tend to use Firefox or Chrome.
-It requires you to have a Microsoft email account and to log into the computer with it in order to access the Skydrive features. It's a peeve of mine when anything requires you to log in using an Email account as those are easily found and then all hackers need is to guess/hack your password. Much better when they have to guess your login name as well.
-Converting to Windows 8 from an older version removes the icons from pre-Office 2010 documents. It's as if they are trying to convince you to convert to 2010... But easily fixable if you re-install your older version.
-One of the patches sent it into an infinite patching loop on reboot. Good thing the built-in imaging worked great so I could restore.

In summary, the changes compared to Windows 7 are insignificant, though if you never used 7 in the 1st place, whatever fears you had about going to Windows 7 are probably still in play. If you are a Mac user, please don't lie to people in an attempt to scare them. Those of us who actually know how to fix computers and try to genuinely help others with them know that 99.9% of Max users would find a way to electrocute themselves if they tried to dust out the inside of a computer.
 
2013-01-13 03:33:40 PM

doglover: LasersHurt: Just hit Start and start typing.

NOBODY LIKES THAT.


You are insane. Me hitting the windows key and typing a program is VASTLY faster than using a mouse through nested menus. As a software developer with significantly above average computer literacy, I honestly can't fathom how people could want to use the nested start menu system instead of typing.
 
2013-01-13 03:36:40 PM

LasersHurt: Sarsin: LasersHurt: Still, I feel bad that you feel like you can't be as productive. I am easily as productive, but I mostly use the same desktop apps I always did, because you can. Nothing says you have to integrate Metro into your life beyond a certain point.

That statement alone indicates a failure in the design of Windows 8.

What? You can use everything just as you did before, and that's a failure? Because everyone should want Metro? That doesn't make any sense.


Vegan Meat Popsicle: LasersHurt: I just don't get it... "Do not change features of Windows. However, change is natural and happens sometimes. But don't do it to Windows."

Or, you know, you could stick with the real complaint instead of making things up...

If you're going to change things, change them for the better, don't change them just to change them.

I agree, but you can't just dismiss everything with that. Substantively, what is so bad, other than it being different?


I can't comment on it from any perspective but as a technical user who uses it to manage Server installations, but from that perspective, it's complete dildoes and I would love to kick the head of interface design straight on in the nuts.

I manage servers. I need to type a lot. I need to move between many different applications quickly. The Start menu was great for that because I could just organize them in nice little nested, organized trees.

I can't comment on the home versions, just Server and Professional. As a work OS, it's easily the worst OS I've ever seen. I'm actually working on migrating a large number of servers off of Windows because it's such complete garbage.

I use Pro, and I have no issues. I have only briefly played with Server, and I do feel like the interface is a little out of place there, but otherwise it seemed fine. I like to judge the OS based on its stability and function, and from that standpoint I absolutely cannot agree with "worst OS I've ever seen." That's got to be hyperbole, right?



How about this, then: "If you can't make a change for the better, don't make the change?" The first step to making Windows 8 useful is to make it look like Windows 7.

Then why not use Windows 7?

Akin: Sometimes, if people want someone who's like Richard O'Brien or Bruce Campbell, I wish they'd call Richard O'Brien or Bruce Campbell.
 
2013-01-13 03:38:50 PM
My dad tried giving it the benefit of the doubt on his new laptop, dedicating himself to getting used to the changes. Within a week I had to overwrite it with Windows 7. Frustration had built to the point that he was about to smash it against a wall.
 
2013-01-13 03:41:45 PM

LasersHurt: But how do you prove it's unnecessary? By what metrics do you measure the necessity of such a thing?

I will agree that a simple option to disable it and use a Start Menu would have been easy to make, and very popular with users who don't like change. I can't for the life of me imagine why they were such sticklers about not adding such an option


Does said change do anything to improve ease of use? Does it use an excessive amount of resources the way Aero did with Vista initially? Does it do anything besides look nicer? Does it make the computer operate more efficiently? Does the feature make your machine more secure, or more vulnerable?

Look at Windows ever since the switch to 64 bit architecture. Other than CPU and Ram usage and some security features that are inherent with 64 bit architecture what do any of the features that come with Vista, 7 and 8 accomplish? Not a damn thing other than forcing users to adapt to different menu styles and making it look prettier. Prettier can be ok as long as it's not a resource hog, but changing menu systems and style for anything other than a more intuitive system is foolish. Like I said before, software should revolve around adapting to the user base, not user base adapting to software.
 
2013-01-13 03:44:33 PM
I've not used such a rage-inducing interface in a long time... And the problem has absolutely nothing to do with a learning curve, I'm a developer and can kinda handle things like that. It's that the UI IS COMPLETELY WRONG FOR THE TYPE OF DEVICE IT IS PRESENTED UPON.

Will only use 8 when I have to, until Microsoft fixes its' collective shiat.
 
2013-01-13 03:44:34 PM
You know what I really want?

I want a Surface Pro with the detachable keyboard that, when set up in desktop mode operates like Windows 7 and when in tablet mode operates like Windows 8....

That would instantly take Windows 8 from epic failure to completely awesome...
And a Server OS with no Metro. Fark Metro. BEYOND useless on a server install.

Give me that, Microsoft.
 
2013-01-13 03:45:47 PM

antnyjc: It's sad that a lot of people listen to trash talk of windows 8 without checking the sources of their information


My information comes from my clients. Virtually every one of them has hated it because they don't know what to do, and to be honest, I can't blame them.

antnyjc: You are not required to have a touch screen! Though if you are using a laptop and like to use the touch pad, you can use the touch pad as if it was the screen for navigation.


You mean like a mouse? Not quite understanding what you're getting at here.

antnyjc: The Shutdown button has been moved to the Charms.


Oh, of course! The Charms! WTF is the Charms? (I'm just asking what EVERYONE ELSE who bought a Win8 computer would ask in this situation)

antnyjc: You can freely drown it in links like most people do anyway


This sounds suspiciously like Engrish. All it's missing is the word "happy!"
 
2013-01-13 03:45:54 PM

zeroeffect: I've not used such a rage-inducing interface in a long time... And the problem has absolutely nothing to do with a learning curve, I'm a developer and can kinda handle things like that. It's that the UI IS COMPLETELY WRONG FOR THE TYPE OF DEVICE IT IS PRESENTED UPON.


Even ignoring the uselessness of it on a desktop, I hate the jarring switch back and forth. It's like using two completely different operating systems at the same time and neither one is quite right for the job at hand...
 
2013-01-13 03:47:31 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Like I said before, software should revolve around adapting to the user base, not user base adapting to software.


...Much more eloquently put that my temper would allow :]
 
2013-01-13 03:48:25 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Look at Windows ever since the switch to 64 bit architecture. Other than CPU and Ram usage and some security features that are inherent with 64 bit architecture what do any of the features that come with Vista, 7 and 8 accomplish? Not a damn thing other than forcing users to adapt to different menu styles and making it look prettier.


This tells me that you know very little about the internals of Windows over the last decade.
 
2013-01-13 03:50:00 PM

Bungles: When Windows goes wrong, I can dig myself out of the hole pretty easily.


Step 1: Put down the shovel.

/Damn, that's one appropriate fark handle.
 
2013-01-13 03:52:22 PM

oh_please: Oh, of course! The Charms! WTF is the Charms?


One of the silliest UI terms since you could "squirt" with the Zune.
 
2013-01-13 03:52:55 PM
1. Customers are voluntarily retarded. We're in an age where confusion on ANYTHING can be settled with a web search, but people will instead whine until a corporation spends millions in both funds and man-hours to solve their confusion for them.

2. Windows 8 isn't that different than Windows 7. Most of the time, I'm in desktop mode.

3. They're changing the mouse-keyboard paradigm? Good. Windows 8 has forced OEMs to try new designs and has revolutionized product offerings across the board. As a developer, I'm excited to take advantage of the changes offered.

4. They extended the start menu across the screen. That's it. Turn up your mouse's sensitivity and it won't be any additional work on your part.
 
2013-01-13 03:55:16 PM
I'm looking forward to using Boot Camp to dual boot Win 8 on my new 27" iMac so I can play games. When I'm done goofing off, I'll just boot back to OSX so I can get back to work writing games.
 
2013-01-13 03:55:26 PM

oh_please: You mean like a mouse? Not quite understanding what you're getting at here.


You can swipe from the left on the touch pad to pull up charms, from the bottom to pull up options, from the top to close apps, from the left to go back to the previous App. Exactly as if you were using the touch screen.

I do wish they let you do that with mouse movements though. All the corner stuff is annoying till you get used to it.
 
2013-01-13 04:03:56 PM

LasersHurt: Dingleberry Dickwad: Look at Windows ever since the switch to 64 bit architecture. Other than CPU and Ram usage and some security features that are inherent with 64 bit architecture what do any of the features that come with Vista, 7 and 8 accomplish? Not a damn thing other than forcing users to adapt to different menu styles and making it look prettier.

This tells me that you know very little about the internals of Windows over the last decade.


This tells me you aren't going to answer my question. I'm not talking about the internals, or at least not intentionally since you're right and I don't know a whole lot about them. But I'll try to be more precise in what I mean. In terms of user experience Windows got better with the switch from 98 to XP (yes I'm skipping ME). Simpler to use, easier to figure out, more intuitive. Vista, 7 and 8 went backwards in that area and added a bit more of a learning curve to figure things out and from what you're saying about 8, went so far as to make it more difficult to switch to a system the user is more familiar with, and all of them seem to be trying to justify things by saying "Look! Shinies! Pretty!"
 
2013-01-13 04:05:24 PM
"What does baffled mean?"

/obscure
 
2013-01-13 04:05:25 PM

angrymacface: OMG IT'S DIFFERENT AND I CAN'T FUNCTION WITH DIFFERENT!

That's what you people sound like.


A fork with the tines all twisted is different too. That doesn't mean it's useful.
 
2013-01-13 04:05:26 PM

antnyjc: oh_please: You mean like a mouse? Not quite understanding what you're getting at here.

You can swipe from the left on the touch pad to pull up charms, from the bottom to pull up options, from the top to close apps, from the left to go back to the previous App. Exactly as if you were using the touch screen.

I do wish they let you do that with mouse movements though. All the corner stuff is annoying till you get used to it.


Ok, I'll have to try that out. TIL.

The fundamental problem is that most users don't want to learn a whole new way to do stuff just so that Microsoft can push their mobile OS on people, and it's pissing folks off. Tech people see this as an absolute nightmare, and are encouraging users to stay away from 8. Again, that's the problem. This is making the Vista reaction seem like a love-fest.
 
2013-01-13 04:08:39 PM
I'm on windows 7 now and its been acting a little pissey so I was thinking of upgrading, but what I've seen of windows 8 hasn't impressed me much.
 
2013-01-13 04:10:10 PM

LasersHurt: Windows 8 is a fine OS, and it's suffering from a HUGE amount of fear-mongering and lie-spreading. People think of it as something other than what it is.

For example, Weeners - you're in NO WAY trapped in a touchscreen PC with Win8. It's just not true. I use it like a normal desktop PC, like I always have.



Came here to say something similar. Been rocking Win8 on my aging Dell Studio 1537 for some time and it's been hands down my favorite Windows OS since Win2k, giving a breath of fresh air to this aging hardware and being enjoyable to use to boot. Granted I upgraded from Vista... But I'm looking at a copy of Win7 Ultimate next to me and see absolutely zero reason to install it, it's a fine OS in it's own right and will remain on my desktop for a while but come on, Windows 8 is nice. There is nothing confusing or baffling about it, you would have to be a completely and utter moron to be troubled by anything other than minor UI gadgets or changed slightly changed item placements (as they do with EVERY version of Windows for some reason).
 
2013-01-13 04:11:09 PM

dr_blasto:
Alternatively, what reason would anyone have to move from Win7 to 8? Outside of it being OEM on a new PC, I can't see any argument to support going to the new OS.


It is faster, especially on startup and restarts (a long weakness of windows). It manages memory somewhat better and has better system management tools. The integrated search and start screen keyboard functions are definitely superior by far. Networking functions are improved (though take some getting used to). I have come to like the start screen better than the old start menu. Oh and switching between apps (both in the modern ui and desktop) is amazingly fast and seamless.

It IS a marginal update from 7 but it is in no way whatsoever worse (being different does not equal worse), and is better in some aspects. It is not necessary to upgrade but if a machine has it there is no sensible reason not to take it.

I have now upgraded all but one of my PCs to it (4 windows 8 machines now) and am entirely comfortable with using it. I retain one windows 7 laptop because I am a bit worried about some very odd astronomy software I use, but will doubtless take the plunge on that one too.

The modern UI.. well we shall see. If they figure out a decent 'desktop mode' version with better window management for better mouse driven desktop use it could go far.. or it could not.
 
2013-01-13 04:14:00 PM

Bungles: Windows 8 is here for 4 or 5 years.

Computers will doing nothing but become more touchscreeny in the next 5 years. It's a decision Microsoft had to make.

It's a little like Apple ditching the cd-drive. Looked a bit barmy for the first year, then it was clearly to right design choice to have made.


True, but it's an over designed interface.

Rather than try to reinvent the wheel, Apple is essentially slowly converging OSX with iOS through adding things like Launchpad and the notification center. It seems likely that they'll converge with OSXI, which will run on all Apple devices (I suppose it's just a matter of time until they're sticking Intel chips into the iPads).
 
2013-01-13 04:21:04 PM
All they had to do was have an option for Windows 7 style interface. They didn't, and now won't implement one because they could never admit they were wrong. It's sad.
 
2013-01-13 04:23:49 PM

oh_please: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

Except, "Where's the Start button on my desktop?"

"I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

"How do I restart/shut down?"

"I don't know how to find a file"

"How do I get rid of all these buttons I never use? I don't want to go to HP.com or Ebay!"

...and on and on and on.

Metro is a solid interface for phones/tablets, but it's horribly clunky on an actual PC, Grandma will have to relearn everything. She may as well get an Apple.



How many of those are just expecations based on how computers have always worked, though? I handed my mom an Android tablet, and none of those questions surfaced. Why should they on a Win8 device? Only because it's shaped like a laptop, so people expect it to behave the way Win7 does.

Win8 has some flaws, sure. I don't like how you have to close programs for instance. (Yeah, you can alt+F4 but on my g/f's laptop the F keys are in the "fn" row so it's three awkward buttons instead of two convenient ones. :( )

The point is tablets have become really popular in part because they are easy to use. That ease of use, in part, comes from ditching some of the old school conventions of PCs. It's smart to start doing the same thing with actual PCs. What's lacking is the execution...

That said, my g/f is happy with her Win8 laptop and the OS seems to be stable and work well. Yeah, MS has that whole alternate release tradition going still... but you know what? Unlike Win98, Me, Vista... Win8 isn't terrible. It's just not as good as it could be.

Not to mention I really like their end-game: Unified platform across different form factors. Being able to run the same software across my desktop, my phone and my tablet will rock. Being able to write my software and have it work on desktop, tablet and phone will also rock.

/sticking with Android until then though
//Google should work on Android based PC's rather than those dumb Chromebooks
///out of curiosity... anyone looking at the Ubuntu phone?
 
2013-01-13 04:27:39 PM

angrymacface: OMG IT'S DIFFERENT AND I CAN'T FUNCTION WITH DIFFERENT!

That's what you people sound like.


There's a little bit of that going around but for myself and my experiences with it, the interface suffers from a work flow problem. Perhaps it will just take some getting used to but it feels inefficient when it comes to working with multiple windows.
 
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2013-01-13 04:32:01 PM

thornhill: (I suppose it's just a matter of time until they're sticking Intel chips into the iPads).


You may be assuming the wrong direction. I've seen rumors of switching to A6 or it's successor in desktops.
 
2013-01-13 04:34:43 PM
I am just glad Microsoft doesn't design cars.

Yes, we replaced the steering wheel with 5 joysticks and since everyone loves touch screens we replaced the gas and brake pedals with touch sensors in your seat. Clench you left buttock for gas and clench your right buttocks to break.

And we removed the key ignition from the steering wheel column. It is now in the trunk, behind the spare tire.

Duh....
 
2013-01-13 04:35:37 PM

doglover: Microsoft makes shiatty products trying to force conumers to do what it wants them to do, gets absolutely murdered in the marketplace, reluctantly makes a good product with the features comsumers want, makes money, gets drunk and overconfident on the money, and starts the cycle again.


So many farking times THIS it's not even funny. That's all they will ever do with that idiot Ballmer in charge.
 
2013-01-13 04:36:01 PM

Mr.Tangent: angrymacface: OMG IT'S DIFFERENT AND I CAN'T FUNCTION WITH DIFFERENT!

That's what you people sound like.

There's a little bit of that going around but for myself and my experiences with it, the interface suffers from a work flow problem. Perhaps it will just take some getting used to but it feels inefficient when it comes to working with multiple windows.


Oh, it could certainly use work in a number of areas. Using metro apps with multiple displays is annoying, for instance.
 
2013-01-13 04:41:01 PM
Pft, I was using Win98 til 2009.

Now that I have Vista, I assume I'll keep using that til... 2020? By then I guess someone might have invented a Linux distro that's not utter chickenshiat.
 
2013-01-13 04:41:44 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Pft, I was using Win98 til 2009.

Now that I have Vista, I assume I'll keep using that til... 2020? By then I guess someone might have invented a Linux distro that's not utter chickenshiat.


Unity shall be everywhere.
 
2013-01-13 04:50:12 PM
Not just our parents & grandparents are having trouble with it.

I have a college aged friend who was nearly in tears trying to figure out how to work her new touch screen laptop during the first 48 hours she had it.  Then she moved on to wanting to set it on fire.  Lots of angry and frustrated messages from her during that week.
After about a week it simmered down to quiet resentment.
I'm a mac user so I'm not really familiar with windows and wasn't much help.

Don't these companies test drive their systems on people outside their bubble?   A test batch of old people and young people should make it easier to spot the rough edges that need to be smoothed *before* the product hits the shelves.  Or am I just crazily naive on this?
 
2013-01-13 04:52:05 PM

rpm: thornhill: (I suppose it's just a matter of time until they're sticking Intel chips into the iPads).

You may be assuming the wrong direction. I've seen rumors of switching to A6 or it's successor in desktops.


Either way, we can't be that far away from iPads having as much processing power as a Macbook Air.
 
2013-01-13 04:56:44 PM

Mike Chewbacca: "What does baffled mean?"

/obscure


"What does incompetent mean?"

//not obscure, came here expecting it
 
2013-01-13 04:58:57 PM

cmunic8r99: oh_please: LasersHurt: Holy shiat, guys, press the Windows key. There, everything's back the way it was.

It's so easy to use, and been completely stable. I don't know what has given you guys such trouble.

Except, "Where's the Start button on my desktop?"

In the lower left corner where it always was.

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There's likely one on your keyboard, too.

"I'm in a program and can't get out of it!"

Alt-Tab, Alt-F4, Click Start, hit the start button on the keyboard...

"How do I restart/shut down?"

Press CTRL+ALT+DELETE and click the power button. Or touch the power button on the computer.

"I don't know how to find a file"

On the Start screen (see above on how to find it), start typing your search criteria. Click the Files icon on the right.

Or, from the Start screen, open Windows Explorer, and search the same way as before.

"How do I get rid of all these buttons I never use? I don't want to go to HP.com or Ebay!"

Right-click, choose Uninstall.

...and on and on and on.

Metro is a solid interface for phones/tablets, but it's horribly clunky on an actual PC, Grandma will have to relearn everything. She may as well get an Apple.

Let me know if you need any further help.


Really excellent job explaining why MS should not have put Win8 on actual PCs/laptops.

/wish I'd bought a Win7 laptop instead
 
2013-01-13 05:08:22 PM
I am the service manager at a local computer shop and the host of a 1 hour tech/computer help radio show.

At my shop I have had 31 computers brought into the shop by owners asking us to remove windows 8 and put on windows 7. When offered to be trained on windows 8 for less than half the cost of having windows 7 installed, not a single customer was interested.

Last Friday, 2 laptops and a desktop, all different customers mind you, we're dropped of at our shop to have windows 8 removed and windows 7 installed.

That isn't mentioning the 5-10 calls a day to out shop by people asking how they perform simple tasks in there windows 8 computers. Nor the numerous calls by listener to the radio station asking for help with their new windows 8 computers

My experience is showing consumer either are confused by or hate windows 8.


Ymmv
 
2013-01-13 05:10:12 PM

angrymacface: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Pft, I was using Win98 til 2009.

Now that I have Vista, I assume I'll keep using that til... 2020? By then I guess someone might have invented a Linux distro that's not utter chickenshiat.

Unity shall be everywhere.


Speaking of hidden UI elements...

"What's that? You like having your programs in categorical list form? WELL SCREW YOU! You can have a handful of shortcuts. Otherwise, I hope you've memorized the names of every program and utility you use!"
 
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