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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-13 12:03:01 PM
WHO guidelines say average concentrations of the tiniest pollution particles - called PM2.5 - should be no more than 25 microgrammes per cubic metre. ... Unofficial reading from a monitor at the US embassy recorded 800.

32 times the limit. Like driving with a BAC of 1.6%, but not as fun.
 
2013-01-13 12:41:40 PM
Anyone know what caused this particular bout of high levels?  Is this a particularly stagnant time of year for weather fronts that region or is it only going to get worse?
 
2013-01-13 01:15:52 PM
China's air pollution can be seen from space. It's a huge thick blanket of gray brown asthma and cancer.
 
2013-01-13 02:40:30 PM
Sometimes the air around me becomes flammable enough to be used as fuel.
 
2013-01-13 02:45:52 PM

CruiserTwelve: Sometimes the air around me becomes flammable enough to be used as fuel.


Yes, but without the nasty particulate matter.

One hopes.
 
2013-01-13 02:47:31 PM

CruiserTwelve: Sometimes the air around me becomes flammable enough to be used as fuel.


Renewable energy sources the NeoCons don't want you to know about.
 
2013-01-13 02:48:33 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-01-13 02:50:08 PM
Kept making those little lead covered McDonald's toys though, we love them!
 
2013-01-13 02:50:29 PM
Environmental regulations are a commie plot to infringe on my freedoms!! Wait what?
 
2013-01-13 02:51:22 PM
 
2013-01-13 02:51:31 PM
And Godzilla hasn't come and destroyed them yet?

Oh wait; Godzilla is Japanise. They probably have a cheap knock off of mothra in china.
 
2013-01-13 02:54:59 PM
When I was studying abroad in Beijing, I would blow my nose and the contests were brown. I would wash my face in the evening, and the washcloth showed black streaks. Yeah, it might have been cleaner to take up smoking.
 
2013-01-13 02:55:30 PM

penthesilea: China's air pollution can be seen from space. It's a huge thick blanket of gray brown asthma and cancer.


No, no, it's "fog".
At least that's what the Chinese government calls it.
 
2013-01-13 02:56:45 PM
B-b-but capitalism!
 
2013-01-13 02:58:50 PM
Deadly smog is a small price to pay to be free of all those job-killing regulations.
 
2013-01-13 02:59:39 PM

Schadenfreudianslip: When I was studying abroad in Beijing, I would blow my nose and the contests were brown. I would wash my face in the evening, and the washcloth showed black streaks. Yeah, it might have been cleaner to take up smoking.


What kind of contests were you entered into?? Wait, I don't want to know.
 
2013-01-13 03:00:08 PM
Don't worry, the invisible hand of the free market will take care of this.
 
2013-01-13 03:01:00 PM
So subby thinks their air in there... that's a laugh.

www.greenpeace.org
 
2013-01-13 03:01:53 PM

Allen. The end.: B-b-but capitalism!


Outsourcing pollution to avoid local standards is a huge part of capitalist globalization.
 
2013-01-13 03:03:00 PM
The good news is you can still get stuff cheap at Wal-mart
 
2013-01-13 03:03:54 PM

Brontes: Anyone know what caused this particular bout of high levels?  Is this a particularly stagnant time of year for weather fronts that region or is it only going to get worse?


China is opening coal burning power plants at an alarming rate.  Plus, unlike the US, they don't enforce any environmental laws.  Also, even though they signed the Kyoto treaty, they are specifically categorized as a "developing nation", so don't have to adhere to any of those environmental laws.
 
2013-01-13 03:04:28 PM
Sounds like Beijing is going the "Pittsburgh" route of modernization.

It worked for Pittsburgh.

// You do have to stop sometime though.
/// Pittsburgh's solution was to get all its steel manufacturing shipped to... China.
 
2013-01-13 03:04:54 PM

whatshisname: The good news is you can still get stuff cheap at Wal-mart


Which is good news to all those people who are bargain shopping themselves into the unemployment line.
 
2013-01-13 03:05:50 PM

whatshisname: The good news is you can still get stuff cheap at Wal-mart


True dat, yo.
 
2013-01-13 03:06:12 PM
Air is unhealthy above 100 microgrammes. At 300, all children and elderly people should remain indoors.

Official Beijing city readings on Saturday suggested pollution levels over 400. Unofficial reading from a monitor at the US embassy recorded 800.

Last year Chinese authorities warned the US embassy not to publish its data. But the embassy said the measurements were for the benefit of embassy personnel and were not citywide.

Yes. This right here describes so much of the trouble with the Communists in Mainland China. Anything that makes Big Brother look bad or wrong is a lie and must be suppressed!
 
2013-01-13 03:06:32 PM
Donora, Pennsylvania 1948
The smog started building up in Donora on October 27, 1948. By the following day it was causing coughing and other signs of respiratory distress for many residents of the community in the Monongahela River valley. Many of the illnesses and deaths were initially attributed to asthma. The smog continued until it rained on October 31, by which time 20 residents of Donora had died and approximately a third to one half of the town's population of 14,000 residents had been sickened. Sixty years later, the incident was described by The New York Times as "one of the worst air pollution disasters in the nation's history".[1] Even ten years after the incident, mortality rates in Donora were significantly higher than those in other communities nearby.[2]

rest of wiki article

I saw this the History Channel a few nights ago on one of those rare occasions that they were talking about history.
 
2013-01-13 03:07:22 PM

digistil: Schadenfreudianslip: When I was studying abroad in Beijing, I would blow my nose and the contests were brown. I would wash my face in the evening, and the washcloth showed black streaks. Yeah, it might have been cleaner to take up smoking.

What kind of contests were you entered into?? Wait, I don't want to know.


Damn autocorrect. I meant contents.
 
2013-01-13 03:09:30 PM

whatshisname: The good news is you can still get stuff cheap at Wal-mart


I know someone who boycotts Wal-mart because of the chinese outsourcing, yet has an apartment full of big brand electronics bought from "reputable retailers".
 
2013-01-13 03:09:32 PM

OgreMagi: China is opening coal burning power plants at an alarming rate.  Plus, unlike the US, they don't enforce any environmental laws.  Also, even though they signed the Kyoto treaty, they are specifically categorized as a "developing nation", so don't have to adhere to any of those environmental laws.


My dad tells stories of growing up in Chicago back in the days of coal. (30s and 40s)
Coughing up coal dust. So we were there not that long ago, and China was frozen in place for 50 years by the revolution. I am sure that they will come around ... in 10-50 more years.

Kyoto Treaty? ROFL
What a worthless POS. China and India were exempt. China and India increased CO2 during the Treaty period by a larger amount than the total theoretical reduction if all other nations had complied. Unless we are going to include China and India, things will only continue to get "worse" at an increasing rate. And unless we are willing to force China and India to comply, why are we even pretending to reduce emissions?

/sorry, but reducing the increase by such a tiny amount has no effect in reality. your beliefs do not change reality.
 
2013-01-13 03:10:09 PM

opiumpoopy: CruiserTwelve: Sometimes the air around me becomes flammable enough to be used as fuel.

Yes, but without the nasty particulate matter.

One hopes.


All smells are particulate, aren't they?
 
2013-01-13 03:10:20 PM

Kevin72: Air is unhealthy above 100 microgrammes. At 300, all children and elderly people should remain indoors.

Official Beijing city readings on Saturday suggested pollution levels over 400. Unofficial reading from a monitor at the US embassy recorded 800.

Last year Chinese authorities warned the US embassy not to publish its data. But the embassy said the measurements were for the benefit of embassy personnel and were not citywide.

Yes. This right here describes so much of the trouble with the Communists in Mainland China. Anything that makes Big Brother look bad or wrong is a lie and must be suppressed!


Welcome to a country without any free speech. LOL
 
2013-01-13 03:11:50 PM

NutWrench: Donora, Pennsylvania 1948
The smog started building up in Donora on October 27, 1948. By the following day it was causing coughing and other signs of respiratory distress for many residents of the community in the Monongahela River valley. Many of the illnesses and deaths were initially attributed to asthma. The smog continued until it rained on October 31, by which time 20 residents of Donora had died and approximately a third to one half of the town's population of 14,000 residents had been sickened. Sixty years later, the incident was described by The New York Times as "one of the worst air pollution disasters in the nation's history".[1] Even ten years after the incident, mortality rates in Donora were significantly higher than those in other communities nearby.[2]
rest of wiki article

I saw this the History Channel a few nights ago on one of those rare occasions that they were talking about history.


this shiat used to happen in london every year.
 
GBB
2013-01-13 03:11:56 PM
Meanwhile, at the US Embassy in Beijing:

US Embassy personnel encouraged to
t1.gstatic.com
of Beijing
 
2013-01-13 03:11:59 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Beijing of the future?

/obscure?
 
2013-01-13 03:12:47 PM
Methane hydrates? In my air?

DNRTFAOTT
 
2013-01-13 03:13:24 PM

Schadenfreudianslip: When I was studying abroad in Beijing, I would blow my nose and the contests were brown. I would wash my face in the evening, and the washcloth showed black streaks. Yeah, it might have been cleaner to take up smoking.


Yeah, my wife is from Shanghai. She didn't realize that snot wasn't brown/black until she came here.
 
2013-01-13 03:14:36 PM

middlewaytao: Outsourcing pollution to avoid local standards is a huge part of capitalist globalization.


its a good idea too, since air doesn't move.
 
2013-01-13 03:14:51 PM

middlewaytao: Allen. The end.: B-b-but capitalism!

Outsourcing pollution to avoid local standards is a huge part of capitalist globalization.


Which will work until there is no-one with a poor enough economy that they will be willing to die from breathing or drinking polluted water, and then many forms of pollution will drop as it will be "priced in"/regulated roughly equally in all places.
/obviously this won't work with CO2 as the people generating in and the people that suffer from it is far less linked than the types of pollution in the article
 
2013-01-13 03:17:27 PM

Schadenfreudianslip: When I was studying abroad in Beijing, I would blow my nose and the contests were brown. I would wash my face in the evening, and the washcloth showed black streaks. Yeah, it might have been cleaner to take up smoking.


I used to work as a welder. That will give you some nasty, black snot, as well.
 
2013-01-13 03:20:45 PM

namatad: OgreMagi: China is opening coal burning power plants at an alarming rate.  Plus, unlike the US, they don't enforce any environmental laws.  Also, even though they signed the Kyoto treaty, they are specifically categorized as a "developing nation", so don't have to adhere to any of those environmental laws.

My dad tells stories of growing up in Chicago back in the days of coal. (30s and 40s)
Coughing up coal dust. So we were there not that long ago, and China was frozen in place for 50 years by the revolution. I am sure that they will come around ... in 10-50 more years.

Kyoto Treaty? ROFL
What a worthless POS. China and India were exempt. China and India increased CO2 during the Treaty period by a larger amount than the total theoretical reduction if all other nations had complied. Unless we are going to include China and India, things will only continue to get "worse" at an increasing rate. And unless we are willing to force China and India to comply, why are we even pretending to reduce emissions?

/sorry, but reducing the increase by such a tiny amount has no effect in reality. your beliefs do not change reality.


Technically, China did comply with Kyoto.  Not one of the western nations met their treaty reduction requirements.  We did not sign the treaty because it set an impossible level for us to meet.  The treaty would best be described as, "let's destroy the U.S. economy".

Yes, China was frozen in place because of communism, but they are building all their coal plants without implementing any of the modern technology that is available to reduce emissions.  It's not like they need to reinvent the stuff.
 
2013-01-13 03:23:52 PM

OgreMagi: Yes, China was frozen in place because of communism, but they are building all their coal plants without implementing any of the modern technology that is available to reduce emissions.  It's not like they need to reinvent the stuff.


Anyone know how much scrubbers and CO2 sequestration systems add to the cost of coal plant construction?
 
2013-01-13 03:24:40 PM

NutWrench: Donora, Pennsylvania 1948
The smog started building up in Donora on October 27, 1948. By the following day it was causing coughing and other signs of respiratory distress for many residents of the community in the Monongahela River valley. Many of the illnesses and deaths were initially attributed to asthma. The smog continued until it rained on October 31, by which time 20 residents of Donora had died and approximately a third to one half of the town's population of 14,000 residents had been sickened. Sixty years later, the incident was described by The New York Times as "one of the worst air pollution disasters in the nation's history".[1] Even ten years after the incident, mortality rates in Donora were significantly higher than those in other communities nearby.[2]
rest of wiki article

I saw this the History Channel a few nights ago on one of those rare occasions that they were talking about history.


What show? Engineering disasters? Because most of History's history shows are on H2 now...
 
2013-01-13 03:30:59 PM
Every developing nation goes through this cycle. It is unavoidable. The US and many other developed nations today are not immune to it themselves. Just that many of the younger ones have either forgotten or have not witness it first hand. Just like the US, China will one day realized the negative price of capitalism and development and get their environment under control. Of course by then the avg Chinese will be biatching about how or why countries like Indonesia, Philipines, Brazil etc are getting the environment into shait not ever realizing their's was not too dissimilar just a couple decades earlier.
 
2013-01-13 03:31:34 PM
assets.bizjournals.com
 
2013-01-13 03:31:40 PM

iheartscotch: And Godzilla hasn't come and destroyed them yet?

Oh wait; Godzilla is Japanise. They probably have a cheap knock off of mothra in china.


japan has Godzilla. China has Galenadon
 
2013-01-13 03:32:32 PM

Brontes: Anyone know what caused this particular bout of high levels?  Is this a particularly stagnant time of year for weather fronts that region or is it only going to get worse?



if i had to wager a guess it would be the chinese government's not giving a fark about pollution so long as the money flows.
 
2013-01-13 03:33:30 PM
Well, you can't make a 52" HD TV for $7.25 if you have any of those pesky labor laws or environmental restrictions.
 
2013-01-13 03:33:50 PM

Kevin72: Air is unhealthy above 100 microgrammes. At 300, all children and elderly people should remain indoors.

Official Beijing city readings on Saturday suggested pollution levels over 400. Unofficial reading from a monitor at the US embassy recorded 800.

Last year Chinese authorities warned the US embassy not to publish its data. But the embassy said the measurements were for the benefit of embassy personnel and were not citywide.

Yes. This right here describes so much of the trouble with the Communists in Mainland China. Anything that makes Big Brother look bad or wrong is a lie and must be suppressed!


which is why we must keep on telling the truth about Obama and his secret plan to convert the US into a mooslin nation!!! Only sane folks like you and me must fight on to mitigate such supression and lies by the gubment.
 
2013-01-13 03:34:50 PM

probesport: [assets.bizjournals.com image 280x274]


Came for this leaving happy.
/hail scroob!
 
2013-01-13 03:38:11 PM
You smell that? That's freedom.

Freedom smells like that sometimes.
 
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