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(NBC Washington)   Rash of robberies involving guns reported in Washington DC. If only there were some sort of laws in our nation's capital that could prevent this sort of thing   (nbcwashington.com) divider line 240
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2013-01-13 04:55:14 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Giltric: Why is crime lower in VA where the gun laws are lax as opposed to DC?

Because you touch yourself at night.

At no point in your intensely absurd comment did it even begin to occur to you how pointless and irrelevant it is to draw a direct comparison in crime rates between an entire state and a single city?


There are statiscal ways of comparing the two.....like how the anti RKBAers compare the rates of crime in the UK and Australia against the US rate .....but I guess it's only worth comparing when the rate favors your opinion.

Next time just say you got nothing instead of smearing poop on the wall genius.


/don't forget wash your hands.
 
2013-01-13 04:55:26 PM  
OK . . . real question here . . . how is that so many utterly defenseless shills for the gun lobby pop out of the woodwork these days in every gun thread? We had a long discussion in another thread about paid shills. It reminds me a lot of the Romney campaign. Maybe money will make things better in terms of public opinion.
 
2013-01-13 04:55:53 PM  
Interesting fact about Bowling for Columbine:

After the interview with the South Park guys in the film, Moore follows it up with a cartoon about American history very similar to the style of South Park. Matt and Trey were pissed that (in their opinion) Moore was trying to make it look like they made the cartoon. And that's why Moore was so heavily lampooned in "Team America, World Police"
 
2013-01-13 04:57:18 PM  
OK the more astonishing concern . . . it appears that a primary motivation is just making money from selling guns (not from defending freedom etc.) . . . and yet people seem to go along
 
2013-01-13 04:57:48 PM  

carpbrain: OK . . . real question here . . . how is that so many utterly defenseless shills for the gun lobby pop out of the woodwork these days in every gun thread? We had a long discussion in another thread about paid shills. It reminds me a lot of the Romney campaign. Maybe money will make things better in terms of public opinion.


Obviously we're all paid shills, since no sensible person can have an opinion counter to your enlightened ideology.
 
2013-01-13 04:59:49 PM  

carpbrain: OK the more astonishing concern . . . it appears that a primary motivation is just making money from selling guns (not from defending freedom etc.) . . . and yet people seem to go along


A company's motivation is to make money. YOU MUST TELL ME MORE OF THIS ASTONISHING THEORY!
 
2013-01-13 05:00:02 PM  

Frank N Stein: Interesting fact about Bowling for Columbine:

After the interview with the South Park guys in the film, Moore follows it up with a cartoon about American history very similar to the style of South Park. Matt and Trey were pissed that (in their opinion) Moore was trying to make it look like they made the cartoon. And that's why Moore was so heavily lampooned in "Team America, World Police"


hahahahahahahha hope your boss takes your post in a better light than its obvious transparency
 
2013-01-13 05:00:56 PM  

carpbrain: OK . . . real question here . . . how is that so many utterly defenseless shills for the gun lobby pop out of the woodwork these days in every gun thread? We had a long discussion in another thread about paid shills. It reminds me a lot of the Romney campaign. Maybe money will make things better in terms of public opinion.


Tinfoil hats only work so well...you would get better results using the hat in combination with a tinfoil suppository.

It creates an impromptu faraday cage that protects you from MLBs hunter-killer satellites.
 
2013-01-13 05:03:16 PM  

carpbrain: hahahahahahahha hope your boss takes your post in a better light than its obvious transparency


Are you suggesting that what I said wasn't true?
 
2013-01-13 05:03:22 PM  

Frank N Stein: carpbrain: OK the more astonishing concern . . . it appears that a primary motivation is just making money from selling guns (not from defending freedom etc.) . . . and yet people seem to go along

A company's motivation is to make money. YOU MUST TELL ME MORE OF THIS ASTONISHING THEORY!


All of your dishonesty aside . . . could you imagine working for a company that created arms to kill people? By all indications, the answer is yes.
 
2013-01-13 05:03:35 PM  

carpbrain: The_Sponge: carpbrain: Frank N Stein: carpbrain: I thought that Michael Moore's film Bowling for Columbine http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/ was relatively insightful.

That movie was full of shiat and you should feel bad for mentioning it.

Hmmm wow. I think that was his best film. Not sure where you're going with that one. I still appreciate that folks can make up their own minds about things. But this specific movie . . . I really wish every reader would watch it . . . exposed challenging angles about how it comes about that we are a society that wields lethal weapons.


That movie was a joke....and was full of bullshiat.

Thanks for your valuable input to the discussion, I'm sure all readers will take note of the value of your input.


If one was to create two Venn diagrams; First being pro- and anti-gun, and the second being anti- and pro-Moore, you'd see close to a perfect overlap.
 
2013-01-13 05:05:15 PM  

carpbrain: Appreciative of any clever insights on the gun issue.


carpbrain: OK . . . real question here . . . how is that so many utterly defenseless shills for the gun lobby pop out of the woodwork these days in every gun thread? We had a long discussion in another thread about paid shills. It reminds me a lot of the Romney campaign. Maybe money will make things better in terms of public opinion.


Well that went from a request for insight into outright anger fast.
 
2013-01-13 05:05:15 PM  

carpbrain: All of your dishonesty aside . . . could you imagine working for a company that created arms to kill people? By all indications, the answer is yes.


If they paid well enough, why not?
 
2013-01-13 05:06:05 PM  

Mrbogey: Well that went from a request for insight into outright anger fast.

 
2013-01-13 05:08:08 PM  

carpbrain: Frank N Stein: carpbrain: OK the more astonishing concern . . . it appears that a primary motivation is just making money from selling guns (not from defending freedom etc.) . . . and yet people seem to go along

A company's motivation is to make money. YOU MUST TELL ME MORE OF THIS ASTONISHING THEORY!

All of your dishonesty aside . . . could you imagine working for a company that created arms to kill people? By all indications, the answer is yes.


Can you imagine how awful it is to WANT to be a police officer? To want to put people in jail and shoot them? It's awful!

People don't build guns hoping they kill innocent folks.
 
2013-01-13 05:08:17 PM  

Giltric: carpbrain: OK . . . real question here . . . how is that so many utterly defenseless shills for the gun lobby pop out of the woodwork these days in every gun thread? We had a long discussion in another thread about paid shills. It reminds me a lot of the Romney campaign. Maybe money will make things better in terms of public opinion.

Tinfoil hats only work so well...you would get better results using the hat in combination with a tinfoil suppository.

It creates an impromptu faraday cage that protects you from MLBs hunter-killer satellites.


??? totally unable to parse anything in this one . . . certainly your sponsors would advocate comprehensibility
 
2013-01-13 05:08:36 PM  

Frank N Stein: Mrbogey: Well that went from a request for insight into outright anger fast.


Fark ate my image
 
2013-01-13 05:09:58 PM  
For the enthusiasts, when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, the Founding Fathers were wise and omniscient. How dare anyone question them.

Then there's the Founding Fathers' stance on slavery. Oddly enough, there are probably many gun-strokers whose opinon remains exactly the same.
 
2013-01-13 05:13:59 PM  

carpbrain: ??? totally unable to parse anything in this one . . . certainly your sponsors would advocate comprehensibility


Listen. I'm going to tell this to your for your own sake. Just stop it.

Yes, you've found out that we're paid to post pro-gun comments at Fark.com. But for your own safety, keep this secret with you. I can't tell you who employs us, but it's powerful people. It goes all the way to the top. Very important and powerful people have their hands in this, people from many different organizations in fact. If you don't cut it out now, they will find you. They will find you and God knows what they will do to you and your family. I shouldn't even be telling you this, ok? You're farking with a hornet nest and they will sting you until you bleed out of your ass hole, you got that? So just listen. Ask the mods to delete your comments. Delete your account. Reset your IP address. Maybe, just maybe they won't find you. Oh God, I cringe at the thought if they get their hands on you. Be safe, and may God have mercy on your soul
 
2013-01-13 05:15:12 PM  

Frank N Stein: Yes, you've found out that we're paid to post pro-gun comments at Fark.com. But for your own safety, keep this secret with you. I can't tell you who employs us, but it's powerful people. It goes all the way to the top. Very important and powerful people have their hands in this, people from many different organizations in fact. If you don't cut it out now, they will find you. They will find you and God knows what they will do to you and your family. I shouldn't even be telling you this, ok? You're farking with a hornet nest and they will sting you until you bleed out of your ass hole, you got that? So just listen. Ask the mods to delete your comments. Delete your account. Reset your IP address. Maybe, just maybe they won't find you. Oh God, I cringe at the thought if they get their hands on you. Be safe, and may God have mercy on your soul


It's too late for both of you now.
 
2013-01-13 05:15:24 PM  

Mrbogey: carpbrain: Frank N Stein: carpbrain: OK the more astonishing concern . . . it appears that a primary motivation is just making money from selling guns (not from defending freedom etc.) . . . and yet people seem to go along

A company's motivation is to make money. YOU MUST TELL ME MORE OF THIS ASTONISHING THEORY!

All of your dishonesty aside . . . could you imagine working for a company that created arms to kill people? By all indications, the answer is yes.

Can you imagine how awful it is to WANT to be a police officer? To want to put people in jail and shoot them? It's awful!

People don't build guns hoping they kill innocent folks.


Reposted for the sheer pleasure of having people laugh at your post.
 
2013-01-13 05:16:08 PM  

Mrbogey: It's too late for both of you now.


If I'm going down I'm taking this whole damn operation down with me. Including you.
 
2013-01-13 05:21:33 PM  

The_Sponge: cocksucker.. pussy..... emo... pussified males


I'd normally make a snarky retort, but I don't really think it's necessary in this case.

/ but, no, you totally have a point. All those "men" running around with a small arsenal under their shriveled left testicle because they think the bogeyman is around every corner waiting to rape them are totally the most manly "men" ever

Giltric: There are statiscal ways of comparing the two..


Yea.

And you probably should have tried doing that.

Giltric: Next time just say you got nothing instead of smearing poop on the wall genius.


Uh huh.
 
2013-01-13 05:22:19 PM  

carpbrain: I don't realize that about 45% of households in America own a gun, and it's not split down political party lines.


/just clearing things up for you fish for brains.
 
2013-01-13 05:26:12 PM  

carpbrain: FNS . . . I've read the polls that show (bizarrely, in my view) that Americans are still in favor of mostly arbitrary gun ownership . . . I'm sure you know that the US is a huge outlier among civilized nations in this respect . . . still trying to get my head around the problem. I thought that Michael Moore's film Bowling for Columbine http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/ was relatively insightful. That was a long time ago, and the discussion has not seemed to have moved much since then. Appreciative of any clever insights on the gun issue.


Decibel levels.

The US media can't sell their "journalistic, infotainment-like Art Product" from nuance and rational discussion. They require binary decisions in their endless quest to pander to the lowest common denominator. To that end, the media tends to ignore anyone who might be willing to compromise or who may have a moderate proposal both sides may find interesting. The only people who get air time are those who worship their weapons and those who are pathologically convinced that firearms are somehow manipulating everyone who sees one into becoming a ravening monster bent on slaughter. Since these two groups may be reliably counted upon to deliver sound bites during the six o'clock news, they are presented to the public in general as the only options.

It doesn't help matters that people who might not necessarily be raving gun-grabbers are fond of espousing legislation based on the vaguest understandings of how firearms work, resulting in laws that fail to accomplish anything useful. Opposite these people are the not-necessarily-rabid people who see any attempt to control the sale or possession of firearms as a plot to disarm law-abiding firearms owners. These sort of nuanced differences of opinion could possibly be subject to compromise, were it not for the fanatics at either extreme dominating the public discussion.

When someone who wants to propose legislation adding impediments to civilian firearms ownership, firearms enthusiasts generally start objecting immediately to the terminology used. Poorly-worded legislation is unlikely to accomplish anything more than enraging tens of millions of law-abiding firearms owners, and Congress has a history of passing exactly this sort of law. Many firearms owners would be amenable to honest discussion of the issue, but feel that they're being lied to by people who want to impose more controls on firearms ownership. Most of the vitriol is (IMO) the result of neither side understanding what language the other is speaking. Firearms enthusiasts feel like they're being punished for something they didn't do by people who refuse to learn anything about the weapons they wish to control. Those opposed to civilian firearms ownership are often honestly bewildered by the reaction of firearms enthusiasts to their proposed controls.

Because neither side understands the others' language.

/YMMV
//Not opposed to debate on gun control
///Opposed to feel-good but worthless legislation
 
2013-01-13 05:31:36 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Abortion became legal in the mid 90s?


Babies commit gun crimes?
 
2013-01-13 05:35:23 PM  

Wenchmaster: carpbrain: FNS . . . I've read the polls that show (bizarrely, in my view) that Americans are still in favor of mostly arbitrary gun ownership . . . I'm sure you know that the US is a huge outlier among civilized nations in this respect . . . still trying to get my head around the problem. I thought that Michael Moore's film Bowling for Columbine http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/ was relatively insightful. That was a long time ago, and the discussion has not seemed to have moved much since then. Appreciative of any clever insights on the gun issue.

Decibel levels.

The US media can't sell their "journalistic, infotainment-like Art Product" from nuance and rational discussion. They require binary decisions in their endless quest to pander to the lowest common denominator. To that end, the media tends to ignore anyone who might be willing to compromise or who may have a moderate proposal both sides may find interesting. The only people who get air time are those who worship their weapons and those who are pathologically convinced that firearms are somehow manipulating everyone who sees one into becoming a ravening monster bent on slaughter. Since these two groups may be reliably counted upon to deliver sound bites during the six o'clock news, they are presented to the public in general as the only options.

It doesn't help matters that people who might not necessarily be raving gun-grabbers are fond of espousing legislation based on the vaguest understandings of how firearms work, resulting in laws that fail to accomplish anything useful. Opposite these people are the not-necessarily-rabid people who see any attempt to control the sale or possession of firearms as a plot to disarm law-abiding firearms owners. These sort of nuanced differences of opinion could possibly be subject to compromise, were it not for the fanatics at either extreme dominating the public discussion.

When someone who wants to propose legislation adding impediments to civilian firearms o ...


Read your post a few times, still soaking in the meaning. But yes the basic deal is finding some understanding between the sides. It shouldn't be so hard . . . we are all caring humans.
 
2013-01-13 05:42:51 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: GAT_00: Yes, I'm sure there are no robberies in states like Arizona that have open carry legal.

It's a well-known fact that death penalty states have minuscule murder rates compared to non-DP states, too.


And we know that states that have the most severe penalties for the most minor of infractions have incredibly low crime rates.

That even extends to other planets, like on Edo, where trampling on flowers is a mandatory death sentence! No one commits a crime there, ever! Except for foolish young Starfleet cadets who didn't know any better!
 
2013-01-13 05:49:21 PM  

Frank N Stein: If I'm going down I'm taking this whole damn operation down with me. Including you.


Good luck, I'm behind 8 proxies.

carpbrain: Reposted for the sheer pleasure of having people laugh at your post.


Do you have some info that I don't? Do gun makers make guns hoping they kill people? There are over 300 million guns in America. Have there been 300 million homicides in America?
 
2013-01-13 05:51:26 PM  
It's been like 10 threads of gun control, and I have yet to see a gun grabber show evidence that gun control reduces gun crime. Every single one of these threads has nothing but frothy, emotional, zealots proposing gun control.
 
2013-01-13 05:56:16 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: And you probably should have tried doing that.


Why?

Twenty threads later and you still have your your fingers in your ear.

DC has 17.5 murders per 100k
Virginia Beach has 3.4 murders per 100k

If you don't like my stats....go get your own stats on your way to your shine box kiddo.
If I was a betting man I would wager a fark ton of TF that you continue to stick your fingers in your ear in the next thread.....but I am not a betting man....because people like you don't pay up.
 
2013-01-13 05:59:09 PM  

neenerist: Uranus Is Huge!: Abortion became legal in the mid 90s?

Babies commit gun crimes?


You must have missed my mea culpa upthread.
 
2013-01-13 06:05:05 PM  

Giltric: If you don't like my stats....go get your own stats on your way to your shine box kiddo.


Louisiana, having among the weakest gun laws of any state, has by far the highest gun-related homicide rate per capita. Or perhaps we could discuss Mississippi, another high-gun-crime, low-gun-restriction state. Or Nevada. Or South Carolina. Or New Mexico. Or Arizona. I stopped checking after the top 10 states for getting killed by guns.

But, no, your tiny little data point in the middle of a state with incredibly lax gun laws probably means that guns aren't part of the problem so we shouldn't even discuss it.

/ now go away and stop being stupid
 
2013-01-13 06:24:57 PM  

Wooly Bully: The easier it is to get guns, the fewer crimes will be committed with guns! There are people who actually believe this.

I enjoy shooting, but I'm so f*cking sick of "gun people".


So much this.

I'm a former reservist, I love the outdoors (Hunting, fishing, etc), I love just target shooting when I can. While I don't even own a gun (yet! I just haven't gotten around to it), I like them, and I like the idea that people can get them for personal use.

And, that said, I wholeheartedly support measures intended to keep the legal gun supply from being used in crime. Yes, criminals will break the law; that's why we have police, and a prison system.
 
2013-01-13 06:38:03 PM  

LavenderWolf: And, that said, I wholeheartedly support measures intended to keep the legal gun supply from being used in crime. Yes, criminals will break the law; that's why we have police, and a prison system.


I own two guns. A rifle and a handgun. I just think it's beyond idiotic that these people think that the only facet of gun violence in this country that has to be completely off the table is guns.

I really have exactly zero problem getting carded to buy ammo or have to undergo a simple mental health evaluation to buy a goddamn rifle capable of mowing down 30 people in 2 minutes. Because that's reasonable when we're talking about buying deadly weapons.

With these nuts, though, it has nothing to do with reason. All they care about is that they've allowed to continue to live out their paranoid fantasies without any responsibility. They're children. Children with deadly weapons. And it's far beyond time it stopped because 9000 dead people a year isn't acceptable just so they can continue to pretend that zombie Hitler is one vote away from taking over the presidency or that they're one day away from needing to go Rambo in their town to save it from some imagined incursion.
 
2013-01-13 06:53:29 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Giltric: If you don't like my stats....go get your own stats on your way to your shine box kiddo.

Louisiana, having among the weakest gun laws of any state, has by far the highest gun-related homicide rate per capita. Or perhaps we could discuss Mississippi, another high-gun-crime, low-gun-restriction state. Or Nevada. Or South Carolina. Or New Mexico. Or Arizona. I stopped checking after the top 10 states for getting killed by guns.

But, no, your tiny little data point in the middle of a state with incredibly lax gun laws probably means that guns aren't part of the problem so we shouldn't even discuss it.

/ now go away and stop being stupid


You are both being stupid.
Gun crime tends to happen in high population areas. Areas with bad economic conditions or enforcement problems (which also stem from money issues) have more of a problem.
A focus on firearms doesn't give anyone the results they want, so I'd say the plan to look for scapegoats won't be anywhere nearly as effective as realizing crime is a disease.
It needs to be treated with science, not by demonizing political opponents.
 
2013-01-13 06:59:40 PM  

way south: A focus on firearms doesn't give anyone the results they want


No shiat, sherlock. Since it's a multi-faceted problem, a focus on any one thing won't fix it. But as a multi-faceted problem, you need to look at all facets, and one facet of EVERY gun crime is the fact that the asshole got hold of a gun.
 
2013-01-13 07:11:21 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: way south: A focus on firearms doesn't give anyone the results they want

No shiat, sherlock. Since it's a multi-faceted problem, a focus on any one thing won't fix it. But as a multi-faceted problem, you need to look at all facets, and one facet of EVERY gun crime is the fact that the asshole got hold of a gun.


Except we've already been over the fact that the assault weapons ban did nothing. So try DIFFERENT things instead of insisting that no matter what we try next, it include banning various guns "just because", and the gun enthusiasts will help out, because everybody wants mass killings to stop. But if you continue to insist on attacking our freedoms especially when it's been shown through a 10 year trial that your strategy doesn't work, then we'll fight you tooth and nail. So the question is, do you want the killings to stop, or do you just want to ban guns?
 
2013-01-13 07:17:50 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld:  So the question is, do you want the killings to stop, or do you just want to ban guns?


How about we just nuke the planet. Everyone dead, no more problem. fark, it's at least doing something that doesn't involve the farking GUNS.
 
2013-01-13 07:18:12 PM  
A very, very limited ban on one particular type of firearm "didn't work," therefore any attempt to limit access to firearms is futile.
 
2013-01-13 07:39:01 PM  

Toots de la Footsjelly: Time for Thunder Dome!!!

Wooly Bully:
The easier it is to get guns, the fewer crimes will be committed with guns! There are people who actually believe this.
I enjoy shooting, but I'm so f*cking sick of "gun people".
THIS THIS THIS THIS X 1000! THANK YOU MR. BULLY!


Its not "easy" to get a gun. Every fire arm i have has resulted in me notifying the TBI and submitting myself to a check of my criminal history. If i had a record it would have been a big no no.

The cowards, sissies, and pantywaists who want to disarm us act like making it harder for me, will keep Dewinky and little nay nay from selling eachother guns. They dont care. They dont buy them legally anyway.

Mr. Im gonna go nuts one day will go nuts one day anyway. Guns or no. Meanwhile i would like to be able to protect myself and my family from any harm that befalls us.
 
2013-01-13 07:42:48 PM  

preybyemail: Toots de la Footsjelly: Time for Thunder Dome!!!

Wooly Bully:
The easier it is to get guns, the fewer crimes will be committed with guns! There are people who actually believe this.
I enjoy shooting, but I'm so f*cking sick of "gun people".
THIS THIS THIS THIS X 1000! THANK YOU MR. BULLY!

Its not "easy" to get a gun. Every fire arm i have has resulted in me notifying the TBI and submitting myself to a check of my criminal history. If i had a record it would have been a big no no.

The cowards, sissies, and pantywaists who want to disarm us act like making it harder for me, will keep Dewinky and little nay nay from selling eachother guns. They dont care. They dont buy them legally anyway.

Mr. Im gonna go nuts one day will go nuts one day anyway. Guns or no. Meanwhile i would like to be able to protect myself and my family from any harm that befalls us.


Frightened, stupid and racist is no way to go through life, son.

If you need a gun to feel safe and you're not currently deployed in Afghanistan, you're doing it wrong.
 
2013-01-13 07:49:23 PM  
And we explain the 391 robberies and 93 aggravated assaults in 2009 (the last major statistics collection point) how, exactly, then?

Because on average there's going to be more than one armed crime a day in BC, bans in place or no, four or five of them clustering together at some point in the space of several days isn't a "rash of robberies", it's the inevitable result of statistics and the normal crime rate.

//Source

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I own two guns. A rifle and a handgun. I just think it's beyond idiotic that these people think that the only facet of gun violence in this country that has to be completely off the table is guns.

I really have exactly zero problem getting carded to buy ammo or have to undergo a simple mental health evaluation to buy a goddamn rifle capable of mowing down 30 people in 2 minutes.


Since you don't seem to understand that you're talking about a constitutional right, here's what you're saying converted to a different amendment:

"I own two blogs. A news blog and a politics blog. I just think it's beyond idiotic that these people think that the only facet of starting fights in this country that has to be completely off the table is political speech.

I really have exactly zero problem getting carded to make a post expressing a political opinion or have to undergo a simple mental health evaluation to buy a modem capable of encouraging 30 crazy people to be crazier in 2 minutes."

Free speech registration time!

//Not that there aren't valid arguments regarding trade regulations on firearm, but yours is not one of them.
 
2013-01-13 07:49:55 PM  

preybyemail: Its not "easy" to get a gun. Every fire arm i have has resulted in me notifying the TBI and submitting myself to a check of my criminal history. If i had a record it would have been a big no no.


It took me less than one minute to find 13 handguns within 10 miles of my house that I could almost certainly legally buy by noon tomorrow in cash without a background check.

But, no, I'm sure you're fully informed and honest and there's no reason to suspect that your comments should just be ignored outright.
 
2013-01-13 07:50:58 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Since you don't seem to understand that you're talking about a constitutional right


I ignored the rest of your comment since "the second amendment is the only one that shouldn't have any limitations" isn't a valid argument.
 
2013-01-13 07:52:40 PM  

Jim_Callahan: And we explain the 391 robberies and 93 aggravated assaults in 2009 (the last major statistics collection point) how, exactly, then?

Because on average there's going to be more than one armed crime a day in BC, bans in place or no, four or five of them clustering together at some point in the space of several days isn't a "rash of robberies", it's the inevitable result of statistics and the normal crime rate.

//Source

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I own two guns. A rifle and a handgun. I just think it's beyond idiotic that these people think that the only facet of gun violence in this country that has to be completely off the table is guns.

I really have exactly zero problem getting carded to buy ammo or have to undergo a simple mental health evaluation to buy a goddamn rifle capable of mowing down 30 people in 2 minutes.

Since you don't seem to understand that you're talking about a constitutional right, here's what you're saying converted to a different amendment:

"I own two blogs. A news blog and a politics blog. I just think it's beyond idiotic that these people think that the only facet of starting fights in this country that has to be completely off the table is political speech.

I really have exactly zero problem getting carded to make a post expressing a political opinion or have to undergo a simple mental health evaluation to buy a modem capable of encouraging 30 crazy people to be crazier in 2 minutes."

Free speech registration time!

//Not that there aren't valid arguments regarding trade regulations on firearm, but yours is not one of them.


I'll register my right to free speech as soon as I can kill a room full of kids with my voice. Every right has restrictions needed for society to function.
 
2013-01-13 07:57:20 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I'll register my right to free speech as soon as I can kill a room full of kids with my voice. Every right has restrictions needed for society to function.


No no no. His post made total sense. The relevant bit isn't that both rights CAN have restrictions placed on them according to their capacity for inflicting harm to others and the type of restriction required to restrict that harm, it's that if there ARE restrictions the ONLY way there can be restrictions is if they're exactly the same.
/ gun nut logic
 
2013-01-13 08:00:29 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I'll register my right to free speech as soon as I can kill a room full of kids with my voice. Every right has restrictions needed for society to function.


Pretty much every spree killer is a direct result of the media fawning over spree killer stories like a child over a new puppy. Since the shooting sprees are the pretext for the push for gun control this time, only seems reasonable to impose similar limits on speech, since it's probably more ultimately responsible for said deaths than the tools used directly.
 
2013-01-13 08:03:52 PM  
Are people still trying to make that argument? Having spotty gun laws is like having dry counties - just hop over a municipal line and buy all the guns you want. Now, if they couldn't cross the river and by guns...
 
2013-01-13 08:06:43 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Pretty much every spree killer is a direct result of the media fawning over spree killer stories like a child over a new puppy.


Can I see your PhD before you forward me your peer-reviewed study proving that rather daring assertion?
 
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