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2013-01-13 12:42:26 PM

madgonad: I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.


Because crime isn't down worldwide or anything...
 
2013-01-13 12:44:37 PM

madgonad: Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.


Violent crime country wide has fallen by 22% in the last 10 years. The assault weapons ban expired 8 years ago.
 
2013-01-13 12:44:38 PM

EatenTheSun: Doktor_Zhivago: central regulatory effort to control gun sales

You mean like the NICS background checks?


Yeah which don't even get done for private sales on gun shows. Real effective tool there.
 
2013-01-13 12:45:33 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: EatenTheSun: Doktor_Zhivago: central regulatory effort to control gun sales

You mean like the NICS background checks?

Yeah which don't even get done for private sales onOR gun shows. Real effective tool there.

 
2013-01-13 12:45:45 PM

madgonad: I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.


Hope you've got a comfy asbestos suit.
 
2013-01-13 12:46:31 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: neenerist: madgonad: I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.

Demographics: Freakonomics presents it in an easily digestible form.

Abortion became legal in the mid 90s?


No, it became legal in the late 70's; about 18 years or before the mid-90's. So where there would have been the traditional wave of unwanted, poor young men who are the driving force behind crime waves, we had a great big bunch of nothing. And crime rates plummet.
 
2013-01-13 12:49:21 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: EatenTheSun: Doktor_Zhivago: central regulatory effort to control gun sales

You mean like the NICS background checks?

Yeah which don't even get done for private sales on gun shows. Real effective tool there.


The government does not allow private citizzens access to NICS.

Change the law.....I'm all for allowing people like myself to run a background check on someone when selling them a firearm.

Whos metric about private gun sales are you using?

The DOJ when surveying inmates found out most of them recieved thir wepons from friends and family or designated purchasrers who passed the background check......private sales accounted for around 2% of how criminals get their guns.....according to the Brady Campaign they rate it around 40%.

Not for nothing, but in this case I would trust a criminal over the brady campaign.....even Sarah Brady made a straw purchase of a high powered sniper rifle for her son.
 
2013-01-13 12:49:25 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Hahahaha. Too funny subs. Everyone knows violence is due to video games and Hollywood. Saint LaPierre said so himself


Seeing as how he hasn't been drummed out of the NRA, I can only assume a majority of their members agree!
 
2013-01-13 12:50:18 PM

doglover: Uranus Is Huge!: neenerist: madgonad: I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.

Demographics: Freakonomics presents it in an easily digestible form.

Abortion became legal in the mid 90s?

No, it became legal in the late 70's; about 18 years or before the mid-90's. So where there would have been the traditional wave of unwanted, poor young men who are the driving force behind crime waves, we had a great big bunch of nothing. And crime rates plummet.


I think Uranus was pointing out that legalizing abortion in the 70s probably had more of an effect than the restrictive laws of the 90s.
 
2013-01-13 12:50:31 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: EatenTheSun: Doktor_Zhivago: central regulatory effort to control gun sales

You mean like the NICS background checks?

Yeah which don't even get done for private sales on gun shows. Real effective tool there.


Can't say I've ever been to a gun show where there were many private sellers. The vast majority of the sellers in the gun shows are dealers who require background checks. Probably doesn't make a lot of sense to pay for a booth to sell one or two guns that you could just as easily sell on Craigslist.

So, call it a private sales loophole if you want, because at least that's accurate, but not a gun show loophole.
 
2013-01-13 12:50:46 PM

Fail in Human Form: doglover: NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.

Because draconian law works and imprisonment isn't the stupidest idea since performance enhancing cyanide capsules.

Meh I donno. I'm pretty liberal but I like "Project Exile". Stop locking up the pot smokers for years on end and put violent felons into a dark box for 20 or 30ish years until they're no longer physically a threat to society (I would remove all the weights from prisons). Seems like win/win to me.

/Let's face it, we're never gonna spend the money to actually try to rehabilitate these people


Would fail Cruel and Unusual Punishment.
 
2013-01-13 12:50:54 PM

doglover: Uranus Is Huge!: neenerist: madgonad: I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.

Demographics: Freakonomics presents it in an easily digestible form.

Abortion became legal in the mid 90s?

No, it became legal in the late 70's; about 18 years or before the mid-90's. So where there would have been the traditional wave of unwanted, poor young men who are the driving force behind crime waves, we had a great big bunch of nothing. And crime rates plummet.


Oh, I've read the book. But in order to properly show a correlation, you'd expect a corresponding increase in abortion in the mid 90s.

A better explanation might be that the mid 90s was the tail-end of the crack epidemic. (Or when the CIA quit pumping so much crack into black neighborhoods.)
 
2013-01-13 12:50:57 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Doktor_Zhivago: EatenTheSun: Doktor_Zhivago: central regulatory effort to control gun sales

You mean like the NICS background checks?

Yeah which don't even get done for private sales onOR gun shows. Real effective tool there.


Ever try to buy a firearm from a FFL dealer at a gun show or are you just taking News of the Worlds (Batboy headline type newspapers) word?
 
2013-01-13 12:51:22 PM

Giltric: PDid: Good stuff from the Washington post. Red states provide crime guns to Blue states


[i.imgur.com image 850x556]

How come crime in those export/red states with lax gun laws aren't as high as the crime in the import/blue states?

Or maybe you are saying democrats tend to lean towards criminal activity?


Yes they do. Look at who's in prison for violent crimes and tell me they're not mostly Democrats.
 
2013-01-13 12:52:19 PM
I fail really hard at comprehension. Yes, abortion definitely played a role in decreasing crime rates.
 
2013-01-13 12:53:02 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: doglover: Uranus Is Huge!: neenerist: madgonad: I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.

Demographics: Freakonomics presents it in an easily digestible form.

Abortion became legal in the mid 90s?

No, it became legal in the late 70's; about 18 years or before the mid-90's. So where there would have been the traditional wave of unwanted, poor young men who are the driving force behind crime waves, we had a great big bunch of nothing. And crime rates plummet.

Oh, I've read the book. But in order to properly show a correlation, you'd expect a corresponding increase in abortion in the mid 90s.

A better explanation might be that the mid 90s was the tail-end of the crack epidemic. (Or when the CIA quit pumping so much crack into black neighborhoods.)


You don't do basic math or biology very well, do you?
 
2013-01-13 12:53:09 PM

Empty Matchbook: Peter von Nostrand: Hahahaha. Too funny subs. Everyone knows violence is due to video games and Hollywood. Saint LaPierre said so himself

Seeing as how he hasn't been drummed out of the NRA, I can only assume a majority of their members agree!

Video Games are violent, especially the first person shooters that advertise their games being as real as it gets without actually dying....and that also promote killing more and more people in order to unlock or gain access to higher powered in game weapons to kill more and more people with..they even employ behavioral specialist to design mechanics that keep people playing.....do you disagree?
 
2013-01-13 12:55:13 PM

doglover: Uranus Is Huge!: doglover: Uranus Is Huge!: neenerist: madgonad: I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.

Demographics: Freakonomics presents it in an easily digestible form.

Abortion became legal in the mid 90s?

No, it became legal in the late 70's; about 18 years or before the mid-90's. So where there would have been the traditional wave of unwanted, poor young men who are the driving force behind crime waves, we had a great big bunch of nothing. And crime rates plummet.

Oh, I've read the book. But in order to properly show a correlation, you'd expect a corresponding increase in abortion in the mid 90s.

A better explanation might be that the mid 90s was the tail-end of the crack epidemic. (Or when the CIA quit pumping so much crack into black neighborhoods.)

You don't do basic math or biology very well, do you?


Word problems are my kryptonite.
 
2013-01-13 01:03:24 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Yeah which don't even get done for private sales OR gun shows. Real effective tool there.


Gun shows still require NICS checks if you're buying from a dealer. What happens is that when you, a non-deadler, go there to sell one or two firearms some times you find a private buyer. You don't have access to NICS so you can't check them. If you show up at a gunshow with a whole bunch of guns to sell, you'll end up getting a visit from the ATF as they don't cotton to people selling a lot of guns without a FFL.

Likewise, sometimes you show up at a gun show looking for a specific firearm and you can't find it from a dealer but another person there has it and would be willing to sell it to you. Now there's no law requiring that you use a FFL to record the transaction but if I don't know you and you want to buy one of my guns, I'm going through an FFL. Now if I know you well enough, I'll sell it to you directly. Most firearm owners do this because they dislike gun crime as well.
 
2013-01-13 01:11:13 PM

Giltric: Empty Matchbook: Peter von Nostrand: Hahahaha. Too funny subs. Everyone knows violence is due to video games and Hollywood. Saint LaPierre said so himself

Seeing as how he hasn't been drummed out of the NRA, I can only assume a majority of their members agree!
Video Games are violent, especially the first person shooters that advertise their games being as real as it gets without actually dying....and that also promote killing more and more people in order to unlock or gain access to higher powered in game weapons to kill more and more people with..they even employ behavioral specialist to design mechanics that keep people playing.....do you disagree?


Tell you what, the moment you take a kid who's only experience with guns is pushing buttons on a controller during CoD 3, take him out to the gun range, hand him a weapon shown in that video game, and have him score perfect bullseyes time after time, I'll listen to that argument.
 
2013-01-13 01:16:18 PM

GAT_00: Yes, I'm sure there are no robberies in states like Arizona that have open carry legal.


Tell us, oh "smart one," how many robberies in Arizona are committed by someone with a LEGAL gun?

Bet you didn't know that EVERY murder in Philadelphia in 2012 was committed with an ILLEGAL gun.

So your idea is to create more gun laws for LEGAL gun owners, right? Why don't you tell us your plan to eliminate all the ILLEGAL guns? Or is that too hard?
 
2013-01-13 01:17:23 PM

pueblonative: Giltric: Empty Matchbook: Peter von Nostrand: Hahahaha. Too funny subs. Everyone knows violence is due to video games and Hollywood. Saint LaPierre said so himself

Seeing as how he hasn't been drummed out of the NRA, I can only assume a majority of their members agree!
Video Games are violent, especially the first person shooters that advertise their games being as real as it gets without actually dying....and that also promote killing more and more people in order to unlock or gain access to higher powered in game weapons to kill more and more people with..they even employ behavioral specialist to design mechanics that keep people playing.....do you disagree?

Tell you what, the moment you take a kid who's only experience with guns is pushing buttons on a controller during CoD 3, take him out to the gun range, hand him a weapon shown in that video game, and have him score perfect bullseyes time after time, I'll listen to that argument.


Or even have him deal with the pain in the ass of hauling around ammunition, loading magazines, recoil, not unlocking new things with simple button pushes, and not having a dozen friends on voice chat while he does it.

If video games cause violent behavior, we'd be seeing more savagery than a full on Viking raid every day because everyone I know, including girls, plays violent video games at least sometimes.
 
2013-01-13 01:19:20 PM

PDid: Good stuff from the Washington post. Red states provide crime guns to Blue states


[i.imgur.com image 850x556]


So, according to that map VT is both a net exporter and a net importer of guns? Fascinating.
 
2013-01-13 01:22:43 PM

pueblonative: score perfect bullseyes time after time


Not for nothing, but this isn't required for all applications of a firearm.

Although I get what you're saying, and I disagree with the NRA on this issue. However, what I find hypocritical about Hollywood is the glorification of violence (particularly gun violence) shown by some producers, directors, and actors. All the while these same people argue for the ban of certain types of guns, magazines etc...
 
2013-01-13 01:30:38 PM

doglover: pueblonative: Giltric: Empty Matchbook: Peter von Nostrand: Hahahaha. Too funny subs. Everyone knows violence is due to video games and Hollywood. Saint LaPierre said so himself

Seeing as how he hasn't been drummed out of the NRA, I can only assume a majority of their members agree!
Video Games are violent, especially the first person shooters that advertise their games being as real as it gets without actually dying....and that also promote killing more and more people in order to unlock or gain access to higher powered in game weapons to kill more and more people with..they even employ behavioral specialist to design mechanics that keep people playing.....do you disagree?

Tell you what, the moment you take a kid who's only experience with guns is pushing buttons on a controller during CoD 3, take him out to the gun range, hand him a weapon shown in that video game, and have him score perfect bullseyes time after time, I'll listen to that argument.

Or even have him deal with the pain in the ass of hauling around ammunition, loading magazines, recoil, not unlocking new things with simple button pushes, and not having a dozen friends on voice chat while he does it.

If video games cause violent behavior, we'd be seeing more savagery than a full on Viking raid every day because everyone I know, including girls, plays violent video games at least sometimes.


Because society is exactly the same it was the day the TV was invented. The ONLY thing that has changed is that our entertainments have gotten more violent more realistic and somewhat interactive.
 
2013-01-13 01:32:16 PM
You mean like making robbery illegal?
 
2013-01-13 01:35:30 PM
I have a weird question.

If you are unarmed and you steal a gun. Is it an armed robbery when you leave?

Thanks
 
2013-01-13 01:39:02 PM

Heraclitus: I have a weird question.

If you are unarmed and you steal a gun. Is it an armed robbery when you leave?

Thanks



I'm voting no. After the fact. Not used in commission of crime.

/waiting for a real fake lawyer to come along
 
2013-01-13 01:39:26 PM
If someone were to only close the factory doors to the "Criminal Gun Manufacturer" shop, then criminals couldn't get guns, seeing as legal gun owners are so responsible as to never let their weaponry fall into the wrong hands.
 
2013-01-13 01:40:23 PM

PDid: Good stuff from the Washington post. Red states provide crime guns to Blue states


[i.imgur.com image 850x556]


DC has one FFL who was located at the police station. It's almost by definition either everyone using a gun in a crime there has to be a legal buyer or an importer.
 
2013-01-13 01:40:55 PM

GAT_00: Yes, I'm sure there are no robberies in states like Arizona that have open carry legal.


Could it be that the headline writer wasn't saying looser gun laws deter crime but rather was saying laws making it tougher for non-criminals to have guns have no effect on criminals? Nah, that's crazy talk.
 
2013-01-13 01:41:27 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Because society is exactly the same it was the day the TV was invented. The ONLY thing that has changed is that our entertainments have gotten more violent more realistic and somewhat interactive.


Pop culture is more an indirect measurement of a society than a driver.
 
2013-01-13 01:43:37 PM
Gosh, as a resident of the District of Columbia, it's just too bad that the Federal tax paying citizens who reside here didn't overwhelming vote not to allow guns here, only to have our will ignored. One would think we had no actual representation!

Waiting for the one teabagger who spouts off about taxation to take up the cause of those of us who are actually taxed without representation
 
2013-01-13 01:49:54 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: The ONLY thing that has changed is that our entertainments have gotten more violent more realistic and somewhat interactive.


And yet violent crime rates continue to DROP. How can video games be causing crime if the rates since their inception get lower each year?
 
2013-01-13 01:50:21 PM

Mrbogey: Holocaust Agnostic: Because society is exactly the same it was the day the TV was invented. The ONLY thing that has changed is that our entertainments have gotten more violent more realistic and somewhat interactive.

Pop culture is more an indirect measurement of a society than a driver.


Its both.
 
2013-01-13 01:52:09 PM

Giltric: Doktor_Zhivago: EatenTheSun: Doktor_Zhivago: central regulatory effort to control gun sales

You mean like the NICS background checks?

Yeah which don't even get done for private sales on gun shows. Real effective tool there.

The government does not allow private citizzens access to NICS.

Change the law.....I'm all for allowing people like myself to run a background check on someone when selling them a firearm.

Whos metric about private gun sales are you using?

The DOJ when surveying inmates found out most of them recieved thir wepons from friends and family or designated purchasrers who passed the background check......private sales accounted for around 2% of how criminals get their guns.....according to the Brady Campaign they rate it around 40%.

Not for nothing, but in this case I would trust a criminal over the brady campaign.....even Sarah Brady made a straw purchase of a high powered sniper rifle for her son.


All I was saying is that there shouldn't be a different law about how to deal with gun sales in every single state, local and county government. My point was not so much about the efficacy of current laws but more so about how they are so different from place to place making it impossible to actually enforce them with some kind of coherent plan. You can buy a semi-auto rifle with 100 round mag here in TN but it might magically turn into an illegal assault weapon when you move out of state. All the different laws do is provide a place for a gray and black market to thrive by giving them a steady supply of legally purchased firearms in states with lax laws/enforcement to then sell illegally or even legally though loopholes and other such things in states with strict laws/enforcement.
 
2013-01-13 01:52:25 PM

SharkInfested: Gosh, as a resident of the District of Columbia, it's just too bad that the Federal tax paying citizens who reside here didn't overwhelming vote not to allow guns here, only to have our will ignored. One would think we had no actual representation!

Waiting for the one teabagger who spouts off about taxation to take up the cause of those of us who are actually taxed without representation


The constitution trumped you like it did sodomy laws in Texas, and like it should re: gay marriage ban in California.
 
2013-01-13 01:54:10 PM

SharkInfested: Waiting for the one teabagger who spouts off about taxation to take up the cause of those of us who are actually taxed without representation


America was founded by people who violently opposed taxation without representation. They even rebelled twice after Hamilton tried to tax whiskey. Representation: It's kind of a big deal that.

I'm not suggesting armed rebellion, but if you want representation move 20 miles or so into Maryland. You can keep your DC job AND be represented.
 
2013-01-13 01:54:18 PM

doglover: Holocaust Agnostic: The ONLY thing that has changed is that our entertainments have gotten more violent more realistic and somewhat interactive.

And yet violent crime rates continue to DROP. How can video games be causing crime if the rates since their inception get lower each year?


I once touched a match to half a teaspoon of black powder and got quite a satisfying little bang. So then i added a pond of black powder and three gallons of water. But this time all i got was a boring little fffff!

thats how i learned black powder isn't flammable.
 
2013-01-13 01:55:08 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Mrbogey: Holocaust Agnostic: Because society is exactly the same it was the day the TV was invented. The ONLY thing that has changed is that our entertainments have gotten more violent more realistic and somewhat interactive.

Pop culture is more an indirect measurement of a society than a driver.

Its both.


Well I suppose if you differentiate consumers and producers of pop culture.
 
2013-01-13 01:57:48 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: doglover: Holocaust Agnostic: The ONLY thing that has changed is that our entertainments have gotten more violent more realistic and somewhat interactive.

And yet violent crime rates continue to DROP. How can video games be causing crime if the rates since their inception get lower each year?

I once touched a match to half a teaspoon of black powder and got quite a satisfying little bang. So then i added a pond of black powder and three gallons of water. But this time all i got was a boring little fffff!

thats how i learned black powder isn't flammable.


I once tried wishful thinking to win an argument on the internet. But I made too many typos and doglover was amused by my poor attempt at logic becoming a wonderfully absurd image of a gunpowder pond with lead fish in.
 
2013-01-13 02:01:05 PM
NewportBarGuy OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is



someone post the "I'm OK with this" kid.

yeah. Great idea no doubt.

Too bad it can NEVER happen.

The "War on Drugs" is pretty much the primary reason.

Our law enforcement. Our prosecuting attys,DAs,courts prioritize drug convictions. Our jails are over-stuffed to the brim with folks guilty of possessing/selling this "evil" green leaf.

As long as our society concentrates its money and effort on railroading millions and millions of citizens for victimless crimes...the violent predators will prevail.
 
2013-01-13 02:04:06 PM

Heraclitus: I have a weird question.

If you are unarmed and you steal a gun. Is it an armed robbery when you leave?

Thanks


Depends on situation.
If I am carrying a firearm, and you grab it out of my hands and hold me at bay while you escape, yes.
If I am carrying a firearm and you knock me down, grab it, and run without threatening me, it's probably some aggravated sort of robbery while in possession of a firearm, but I doubt it would be considered armed robbery.
If you burglarize my home without a weapon, but you find one of my guns and take it, it turns into a higher degree of burglary at that moment (at least under FL law).
 
2013-01-13 02:05:34 PM

doglover: Holocaust Agnostic: doglover: Holocaust Agnostic: The ONLY thing that has changed is that our entertainments have gotten more violent more realistic and somewhat interactive.

And yet violent crime rates continue to DROP. How can video games be causing crime if the rates since their inception get lower each year?

I once touched a match to half a teaspoon of black powder and got quite a satisfying little bang. So then i added a pond of black powder and three gallons of water. But this time all i got was a boring little fffff!

thats how i learned black powder isn't flammable.

I once tried wishful thinking to win an argument on the internet. But I made too many typos and doglover was amused by my poor attempt at logic becoming a wonderfully absurd image of a gunpowder pond with lead fish in.


Whats wishful about declining to draw conclusions about a particular variable based on data collected with no controls whatsoever?
 
2013-01-13 02:07:35 PM

doglover: SharkInfested: Waiting for the one teabagger who spouts off about taxation to take up the cause of those of us who are actually taxed without representation

America was founded by people who violently opposed taxation without representation. They even rebelled twice after Hamilton tried to tax whiskey.
d.



and both of those rebellions went oh so well for the rebels:

Shays Rebellion


Whiskey Rebellion
 
2013-01-13 02:09:18 PM
If you have a small geographic area where some object isn't allowed, but is surrounded by a huge geographic area where that object has only superficial restrictions placed on it, and movement between these two areas isn't restricted in any way, the fact that the object winds up in the small, restricted space is absolute proof that restrictions on it cannot work and in no way implies that there is a larger problem needing addressed.

By the way, one of my "responsible gun owning" neighbors threw what appears to be a box of .270 soft point ammo out with the trash the other day and now it's been laying in his front yard for the last four days because the trash men caught it and dumped it. I guess we'll just assume he soaked it for a period of time and didn't just throw it out live even though I have every reason to believe the moron did just that since he's never done anything else remotely intelligent the entire time I've lived here.

Yay responsible gun owners.
 
2013-01-13 02:09:41 PM
Criminals have no regard for the law; ergo, there is no point in having laws because criminals always break them.
 
2013-01-13 02:12:37 PM

doglover: madgonad: I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.

Because crime isn't down worldwide or anything...


Absolutely. The countless correlations between gun ownership, gun laws and crime only have causative effects when it means there should be MOAR GUNS. Everybody knows, after all, that the ONLY facet of gun violence that can't possibly be a part of the problem is the prevalence of guns.

In fact, smart people like you know that the only way to reduce gun violence is to increase the number of people with guns. If there are more guns with fewer restrictions, the only logical outcome is less people getting shot.

God, when will these stupid libs learn some basic logic, anyway?
 
2013-01-13 02:15:06 PM

thornhill: Criminals have no regard for the law; ergo, there is no point in having laws because criminals always break them.


Is that the same logic behind the deregulation of Wall Street?
 
2013-01-13 02:20:31 PM

pueblonative: thornhill: Criminals have no regard for the law; ergo, there is no point in having laws because criminals always break them.

Is that the same logic behind the deregulation of Wall Street?


No. Wall Street told us they could regulate themselves. Why shouldn't we believe them (unless you're a commie who hates profit)?
 
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