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(NBC Washington)   Rash of robberies involving guns reported in Washington DC. If only there were some sort of laws in our nation's capital that could prevent this sort of thing   (nbcwashington.com) divider line 240
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2013-01-13 08:38:45 AM
OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.
 
2013-01-13 09:16:23 AM
Why don't all of you  George Zimmermans stay the fark out of my city? We have enough problems, thank you.
 
2013-01-13 10:14:23 AM
So you're saying that robbery should be legal?
 
2013-01-13 10:19:36 AM

vartian: Why don't all of you  George Zimmermans stay the fark out of my city? We have enough problems, thank you.


Yeah.....problems.....like shiatty gun laws.
 
2013-01-13 10:37:00 AM

NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.


If you have gun, you'd be an idiot surrender under those conditions wouldn't you.
 
2013-01-13 10:39:11 AM
Since gun laws do not ELIMINATE crime, we shouldn't have any more gun laws.
Since cutting defense spending won't ELIMINATE the debt, we shouldn't cut defense spending.
Since abortion laws don't ELIMINATE... ummmm wait, what? MOAR abotion laws!
 
2013-01-13 10:43:45 AM

mrshowrules: NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.

If you have gun, you'd be an idiot surrender under those conditions wouldn't you.


He said "minimum" sentence. "Maximum" sentence would be unceremonious suicide by cop.

/NTTAWWT
//Unless anyone besides the maniac also dies
 
2013-01-13 10:44:43 AM
Yes, I'm sure there are no robberies in states like Arizona that have open carry legal.
 
2013-01-13 10:57:50 AM

NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.


No room. Too many dangerous pot smokers to subdue.
 
2013-01-13 11:00:19 AM

djkutch: NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.

No room. Too many dangerous pot smokers to subdue.


Maybe if we lock up the criminals with their guns, and let them kill off those dangerous pot smokers, we can eliminate two problems at once.

it's crazy enough, it just might work.
 
2013-01-13 11:01:07 AM

GAT_00: Yes, I'm sure there are no robberies in states like Arizona that have open carry legal.


It's a well-known fact that death penalty states have minuscule murder rates compared to non-DP states, too.
 
2013-01-13 11:08:27 AM

NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.



FTFY.

That'll make 'em behave!


/Slave workers
 
2013-01-13 11:23:44 AM
Hahahaha. Too funny subs. Everyone knows violence is due to video games and Hollywood. Saint LaPierre said so himself
 
2013-01-13 11:30:06 AM

NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.


"But officer, I'm only driving through to go hunting 3 counties over"

"Doesn't matter. THIS county has a law saying all ammunition must be kept separate from firearms when transporting. You have your shotgun shells in the same case as your gun. You're going to jail for life"

Awesome law, NewportBarGuy.
 
2013-01-13 11:52:03 AM

Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.

"But officer, I'm only driving through to go hunting 3 counties over"

"Doesn't matter. THIS county has a law saying all ammunition must be kept separate from firearms when transporting. You have your shotgun shells in the same case as your gun. You're going to jail for life"

Awesome law, NewportBarGuy.


I've always been told that responsible gun owners will voluntarily and proactively research the gun laws of whatever area they're traveling to or through, in order to be sure that they're compliant and respectful. Clearly your fantasy scenario couldn't happen to a responsible gun owner.
 
2013-01-13 11:52:07 AM
Clearly the answer is to let the states decide everything.

Oh wait, the borders aren't secure and one state's laws will cause problems for the neighboring state. I guess we need fences around every state with checkpoints at every entrance so that people can be screened for compliance to the applicable laws.

That'll do it. And it'll be cheap, too. Individual states willhave no trouble paying for it all, and nobody will see declines in services, tax increases or crime waves! And when a neighboring state just gives up and turns into a shiathole, the people there will never cross borders to rob or freeload, right? Oh, they might? Then I guess we have to keep people in those states, by force and by law, with fences and armed guards. But it won't be a prison camp, it'll be "respecting state's rights" for the other states!

I like this plan. Sounds like a Libertarian utopia!
 
2013-01-13 11:53:17 AM

NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.


Because draconian law works and imprisonment isn't the stupidest idea since performance enhancing cyanide capsules.
 
2013-01-13 11:56:56 AM
A liberal big city with a high crime rate? Time to ban liberals.
 
2013-01-13 11:57:27 AM
The easier it is to get guns, the fewer crimes will be committed with guns! There are people who actually believe this.

I enjoy shooting, but I'm so f*cking sick of "gun people".
 
2013-01-13 11:57:28 AM
Since only criminals commit crimes, let's make it illegal to be a criminal.

I may have just divided by potato.
 
2013-01-13 11:59:22 AM

Amos Quito: NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.


FTFY.

That'll make 'em behave!


/Slave workers


Larry Niven is close to approving.
 
2013-01-13 11:59:58 AM
There's a law against rashes?
 
2013-01-13 12:01:24 PM

Wooly Bully: The easier it is to get guns, the fewer crimes will be committed with guns! There are people who actually believe this.

I enjoy shooting, but I'm so f*cking sick of "gun people".


Guns are ALREADY saturated.

That ship sailed in 1776. Any criminal who wants a gun in America has a gun already.

Increasing regulations will just make the felony of having an illegal gun more of a felony. Pointless.
 
2013-01-13 12:04:34 PM
How about we make it difficult for people who have a history of crime or mental illness to legally obtain firearms and make the penalties for selling firearms illegally harsher than the penalties for selling pot? Nothing of course can eliminate gun crimes but that doesn't mean we should at least try.
 
2013-01-13 12:07:06 PM

Lochsteppe: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.

"But officer, I'm only driving through to go hunting 3 counties over"

"Doesn't matter. THIS county has a law saying all ammunition must be kept separate from firearms when transporting. You have your shotgun shells in the same case as your gun. You're going to jail for life"

Awesome law, NewportBarGuy.

I've always been told that responsible gun owners will voluntarily and proactively research the gun laws of whatever area they're traveling to or through, in order to be sure that they're compliant and respectful. Clearly your fantasy scenario couldn't happen to a responsible gun owner.


So let me get this straight: Because you've been told that gun owners will research gun laws of where they are going, you essentially expect perfection in analysis of the often vague and confusing local laws (and expect them to stake their livelihood on it) even though you, yourself, probably unknowingly break minor laws on a daily basis?
 
2013-01-13 12:07:08 PM

Lochsteppe: I've always been told that responsible gun owners will voluntarily and proactively research the gun laws of whatever area they're traveling to or through, in order to be sure that they're compliant and respectful. Clearly your fantasy scenario couldn't happen to a responsible gun owner.


all things being equal it does pay to know the state laws at least. and if you are driving a p/u or SUV you may be screwed anyway since you lack a locking trunk.

yes there was a time i checked stuff like that. and then took my chances since full complacence is difficult and self defeating.
 
2013-01-13 12:07:28 PM
Time for Thunder Dome!!!

Wooly Bully:
The easier it is to get guns, the fewer crimes will be committed with guns! There are people who actually believe this.
I enjoy shooting, but I'm so f*cking sick of "gun people".
THIS THIS THIS THIS X 1000! THANK YOU MR. BULLY!
 
2013-01-13 12:07:38 PM

doglover: Wooly Bully: The easier it is to get guns, the fewer crimes will be committed with guns! There are people who actually believe this.

I enjoy shooting, but I'm so f*cking sick of "gun people".

Guns are ALREADY saturated.

That ship sailed in 1776. Any criminal who wants a gun in America has a gun already.

Increasing regulations will just make the felony of having an illegal gun more of a felony. Pointless.


That's right! Existing gun laws are a disaster. What kind of an idiot would want to change them?
 
2013-01-13 12:09:23 PM

NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.


You don't really believe the D.C lawyers would allow that do you?
 
2013-01-13 12:09:29 PM

Toots de la Footsjelly: THANK YOU MR. BULLY!


Thank you for your hilarious login name!
 
2013-01-13 12:10:58 PM

Wooly Bully: doglover: Wooly Bully: The easier it is to get guns, the fewer crimes will be committed with guns! There are people who actually believe this.

I enjoy shooting, but I'm so f*cking sick of "gun people".

Guns are ALREADY saturated.

That ship sailed in 1776. Any criminal who wants a gun in America has a gun already.

Increasing regulations will just make the felony of having an illegal gun more of a felony. Pointless.

That's right! Existing gun laws are a disaster. What kind of an idiot would want to change them?


How are they a disaster? Do you have any illegal guns?
 
2013-01-13 12:13:06 PM
 
2013-01-13 12:14:54 PM

doglover: Wooly Bully: doglover: Wooly Bully: The easier it is to get guns, the fewer crimes will be committed with guns! There are people who actually believe this.

I enjoy shooting, but I'm so f*cking sick of "gun people".

Guns are ALREADY saturated.

That ship sailed in 1776. Any criminal who wants a gun in America has a gun already.

Increasing regulations will just make the felony of having an illegal gun more of a felony. Pointless.

That's right! Existing gun laws are a disaster. What kind of an idiot would want to change them?

How are they a disaster? Do you have any illegal guns?


You're serious, aren't you?

You guys aren't gonna get a "debate" from me, unless you count the occasional sarcastic putdown.
 
2013-01-13 12:15:07 PM
The recent increase in armed robberies doesn't surprise me.

DC has had a high poverty rate for a long time.

//To live in or near DC costs quite a bit and its well beyond the reach of low income families.
//A large number of those families relocate into Maryland and Virgina.
//DC has never improved its poverty level, it simply relocated it into the two connected states.
 
2013-01-13 12:17:05 PM
You guys are missing the point.. One of the robbers WAS WEARING REDSKINS GLOVES !
 
2013-01-13 12:18:08 PM

vudutek: Since gun laws do not ELIMINATE crime, we shouldn't have any more gun laws.
Since cutting defense spending won't ELIMINATE the debt, we shouldn't cut defense spending.
Since abortion laws don't ELIMINATE... ummmm wait, what? MOAR abotion laws!


Bet you'll wish you had a gun if a criminal broke into you home and started raping and murdering your wife and kids. Go ahead, call the cops to save them, they'll be there just in time to catch the guy raping your corpse. Guns don't jump up and kill people all by themselves. And don't kid yourself, criminals already have guns and won't turn them in for a stupid gun ban.

//bet the jews in late 1930's Germany wish they had had guns.
 
2013-01-13 12:19:07 PM

PDid: Good stuff from the Washington post. Red states provide crime guns to Blue states


[i.imgur.com image 850x556]


Nonsense, criminals are born with guns, only law abiding citizens purchase them.
 
2013-01-13 12:21:01 PM
Perhaps DC should allow concealed carry?
 
2013-01-13 12:22:14 PM
Nice headline, Subby
 
2013-01-13 12:24:35 PM

Yakk: PDid: Good stuff from the Washington post. Red states provide crime guns to Blue states


[i.imgur.com image 850x556]

Nonsense, criminals are born with guns, only law abiding citizens purchase them.


Its almost as if a patchwork system of random halfassed laws and varying levels of enforcement and oversight will fail by default from its own confusion allowing everyone to point their fingers and say "see gun control doesn't work" thereby preventing a central regulatory effort to control gun sales instead of the aforementioned patchwork of city, county, state, federal laws that work together to do absolutely nothing to prevent anyone who wants to get a gun from doing so. Almost....
 
2013-01-13 12:29:32 PM

doglover: NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.

Because draconian law works and imprisonment isn't the stupidest idea since performance enhancing cyanide capsules.


Meh I donno. I'm pretty liberal but I like "Project Exile". Stop locking up the pot smokers for years on end and put violent felons into a dark box for 20 or 30ish years until they're no longer physically a threat to society (I would remove all the weights from prisons). Seems like win/win to me.

/Let's face it, we're never gonna spend the money to actually try to rehabilitate these people
 
2013-01-13 12:32:04 PM

Frank N Stein: Lochsteppe: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.

"But officer, I'm only driving through to go hunting 3 counties over"

"Doesn't matter. THIS county has a law saying all ammunition must be kept separate from firearms when transporting. You have your shotgun shells in the same case as your gun. You're going to jail for life"

Awesome law, NewportBarGuy.

I've always been told that responsible gun owners will voluntarily and proactively research the gun laws of whatever area they're traveling to or through, in order to be sure that they're compliant and respectful. Clearly your fantasy scenario couldn't happen to a responsible gun owner.

So let me get this straight: Because you've been told that gun owners will research gun laws of where they are going, you essentially expect perfection in analysis of the often vague and confusing local laws (and expect them to stake their livelihood on it) even though you, yourself, probably unknowingly break minor laws on a daily basis?


The claim of super-responsible behavior by gun owners is a key component when people argue against improving gun laws. I've seen this claim in many Fark threads as well as from industry lobbyists and gun-rights groups. I haven't made any claims to being super-responsible myself, so my "unknowingly break[ing] minor laws" is irrelevant and a tiny adorable strawman. I can guarantee that I'm in no personal danger of breaking any gun laws, unless they extend to WoW characters.

/My hunter uses a bow now anyway.
 
2013-01-13 12:32:39 PM
No law works because some people break them! It's refreshing to see how many gun nuts are also anarchists.
 
2013-01-13 12:33:00 PM
I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.
 
2013-01-13 12:34:59 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: central regulatory effort to control gun sales


You mean like the NICS background checks?
 
2013-01-13 12:39:26 PM
Maybe an enterprising gang member caught on to the Jornals FOIA request and requested a list of firearms owners from the DC clerks office.
 
2013-01-13 12:39:44 PM

madgonad: I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.


Demographics: Freakonomics presents it in an easily digestible form.
 
2013-01-13 12:40:47 PM

neenerist: madgonad: I hate to break it to you guys, but the restrictive laws in D.C. have kind of worked. See link

Crime is only a quarter of what it was in the mid-90s when those laws appeared.

Demographics: Freakonomics presents it in an easily digestible form.


Abortion became legal in the mid 90s?
 
2013-01-13 12:41:20 PM

PDid: Good stuff from the Washington post. Red states provide crime guns to Blue states


[i.imgur.com image 850x556]


How come crime in those export/red states with lax gun laws aren't as high as the crime in the import/blue states?

Or maybe you are saying democrats tend to lean towards criminal activity?
 
2013-01-13 12:41:32 PM

Lochsteppe: Frank N Stein: Lochsteppe: Frank N Stein: NewportBarGuy: OK, how about federal minimum sentence of life in prison for any gun crime whatsoever? No appeal, no parole. Nothing. You do ANY crime with a gun, you go away for life.

You asked for it, there it is.

"But officer, I'm only driving through to go hunting 3 counties over"

"Doesn't matter. THIS county has a law saying all ammunition must be kept separate from firearms when transporting. You have your shotgun shells in the same case as your gun. You're going to jail for life"

Awesome law, NewportBarGuy.

I've always been told that responsible gun owners will voluntarily and proactively research the gun laws of whatever area they're traveling to or through, in order to be sure that they're compliant and respectful. Clearly your fantasy scenario couldn't happen to a responsible gun owner.

So let me get this straight: Because you've been told that gun owners will research gun laws of where they are going, you essentially expect perfection in analysis of the often vague and confusing local laws (and expect them to stake their livelihood on it) even though you, yourself, probably unknowingly break minor laws on a daily basis?

The claim of super-responsible behavior by gun owners is a key component when people argue against improving gun laws. I've seen this claim in many Fark threads as well as from industry lobbyists and gun-rights groups. I haven't made any claims to being super-responsible myself, so my "unknowingly break[ing] minor laws" is irrelevant and a tiny adorable strawman. I can guarantee that I'm in no personal danger of breaking any gun laws, unless they extend to WoW characters.

/My hunter uses a bow now anyway.


When you hear of the "super responsible" gun owner, it's typically in the context of concealed carry permit holders (at least from what I've heard and my understanding. I may be wrong). Studies have shown that concealed carry holders are more law abiding, because they have to be if they want to keep and maintain their CC permit. But even taking that as fact, you believe that draconian laws (such as life imprisonment for any offense) should apply to gun owner... why? So as to ensnare gun owners with a technicality that can be interpreted in a number of ways under the heavy punishment of life in prison? It seems to me that support of this absurd proposal has less to do with gun crime, and more to do with threatening people with terrible consequences for exercising their right.

What you may or may not have heard from people about the perceived responsibility of gun owners is irrelevant compared to the real repercussions of such a law.
 
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