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(Beatweek Magazine)   Life after AT&T: after eight years on America's worst carrier, here's what life on Verizon has taught me   (beatweek.com) divider line 126
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2013-01-13 07:05:49 AM
Now the modmins are just trolling us.
 
2013-01-13 07:17:26 AM
Meh, I have them both (Verizon on new iPad, AT&T on my iPhone 5) and I find them pretty even.

The one difference that really pissed me off about Verizon on iPad is, they don't allow one to buy international travel on it unless you are also a regular contract customer -- ie, not just buying data on the device.

With my older AT&T iPad if I went overseas I could just pre-buy a bucket of data to use on it.

Don't believe that? Go into a Verizon iPad with cellular and try and buy an international data package.

Reference
 
2013-01-13 07:34:43 AM
FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.
 
2013-01-13 07:50:36 AM
Brainwashed smugtard apple-douche...
 
2013-01-13 08:15:09 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


Same
 
2013-01-13 08:26:04 AM
Who the hell keeps approving Beatweek articles? This is like the 3rd or 4th one this week.
 
2013-01-13 08:29:11 AM

voltOhm: Brainwashed smugtard apple-douche...


Amen. I pray they stick with their iPhone and suffer accordingly.
 
2013-01-13 08:55:02 AM

Metalupis: avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.

Same


At least I don't need a phone to tell me it's raining, idouche.
 
2013-01-13 08:56:00 AM
I was a diehard iPhone user for a long time.  Then I got Android and never looked back.  Even on ATT, the phone is much more reliable and I rarely get dropped calls.
 
2013-01-13 08:56:21 AM
Somebody overdosed on the smug while writing that article.
 
2013-01-13 08:58:27 AM

RexTalionis: Who the hell keeps approving Beatweek articles? This is like the 3rd or 4th one this week.


2nd. Someone needs to do some housecleaning and redlight the mod that keeps greenlighting this crap. I come to fark for news, not overly opinionated blog-esque crap.
 
2013-01-13 09:01:25 AM
Who the hell is writing this drivel, and why do they think people would want to read it?
 
2013-01-13 09:10:30 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


Thats exactly where I stopped too.
 
2013-01-13 09:14:06 AM
He writes like a twenty six year old girl who brushes her hair one hundred times exactly on each side before going to sleep.
 
2013-01-13 09:14:18 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


Yep. My Android tablet will out perform an iPad at a fraction of the cost. This guy probably had Steve Jobs exhumed, stuffed, and placed by his mantle so he can fellate him thrice daily.
 
2013-01-13 09:15:06 AM
I also stopped when he pooped on me.
 
2013-01-13 09:19:27 AM

maxwahrhaftig: I also stopped when he pooped on me.


You stopped just because you got pooped on? Amateur
 
2013-01-13 09:20:27 AM
It's sad that this guy thinks he's a tech journalist. It's even more s sad that someone from Fark agreed and linked his crap.

You're blog is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2013-01-13 09:24:35 AM

maxwahrhaftig: I also stopped when he pooped on me.


That'll teach you to forget the safeword.
 
2013-01-13 09:28:25 AM
AT&T has been so busy installing Tektronix GeoProbes in and around major population hubs that it doesn;t have the resources to do towers.  The lovely GeoProbe is installed with a default to capture 20% of all data and voice calls, drop them to a 10-16 drive disk array running 3GB SS drives.  This array is setup to Read/Write at incredible speeds as the data captured is immediately uploaded to regional collection points.  It's aluminum foil hat kid of stuff.  I get it, AT&T has been in bed with Uncle Sam since the late 1800's, their Bell Labs research team is pretty damn incredible and was the seed for DARPA's beginnings, but they've systematically run roughshod over their customers with little to no concern for user rights, privacy or  legal precedents to do so.
 
2013-01-13 09:29:05 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


I powered through. It gets worse...much worse. He goes on to claim that the iPhone5 is really the first phone to use true 4G LTE, and us android users were just being lied to before that.
 
2013-01-13 09:33:49 AM
Everything about that article was utterly obnoxious.

/iPhone 5 owner
 
2013-01-13 09:34:41 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


Me too, and i'm an iphone user FFS
 
2013-01-13 09:36:20 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


THIS. What's with all the Shills lately?

I need an app for my browser that Flags sites to Ignore.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-13 09:40:49 AM
This guy should not be allowed to have a phone.

Is his "bars" story plausible? His theory is more people using the same number of antennas = fewer bars. To the extent bars have any meaning, I understand them to be a rough measure of signal strength rather than quality of service. Too many people trying to share one antenna get lots of bars but bad service.
 
2013-01-13 09:53:54 AM

ZAZ: This guy should not be allowed to have a phone.

Is his "bars" story plausible? His theory is more people using the same number of antennas = fewer bars. To the extent bars have any meaning, I understand them to be a rough measure of signal strength rather than quality of service. Too many people trying to share one antenna get lots of bars but bad service.


That's what I was thinking. They stopped putting up new towers, so his service got worse?
 
2013-01-13 09:55:22 AM

Dr. Goldshnoz: RexTalionis: Who the hell keeps approving Beatweek articles? This is like the 3rd or 4th one this week.

2nd. Someone needs to do some housecleaning and redlight the mod that keeps greenlighting this crap. I come to fark for news, not overly opinionated blog-esque crap.


This kind of shiat started becoming the norm around here like 2-3 years ago, so, yeah.
 
2013-01-13 10:04:15 AM
bad "journalism" is bad.
 
2013-01-13 10:08:09 AM

ZAZ: Is his "bars" story plausible? His theory is more people using the same number of antennas = fewer bars. To the extent bars have any meaning, I understand them to be a rough measure of signal strength rather than quality of service. Too many people trying to share one antenna get lots of bars but bad service.


It depends. Under classic AT&T GSM/HSPDA, 'bars' are almost certainly signal strength. There is the possibility that if AT&T were installing more towers in the area, they turned down the power on the closest tower to him, and so in improving the overall network made it a little weaker in his particular spot.

Under Verizon/Sprint's CDMA or under LTE networks for any of them, the 'bars' could be measuring signal/noise ratios. And under a code-division scheme, other users of the frequency are interpreted as noise, so more subscribers in an area could (if that's what 'bars' mean) result in fewer bars.
 
2013-01-13 10:08:24 AM
FTFA: I did lose the ability to talk on the phone while surfing the web, and inexplicable decision on Verizon's part and a deal breaker for some users, but that's a feature I literally never used anyway.

Know how I know you're not a real "tech" journalist?

/not all us iPhone users are like this guy, I swear
 
2013-01-13 10:10:48 AM
Your blog sucks.
 
2013-01-13 10:11:52 AM
I used to judge people based on the color of their skin.
Now I judge people based on the brand of cell phone that they choose to buy.
 
2013-01-13 10:13:18 AM
Lately I've been noticing that my smart phone isn't as necessary as I once thought it to be. 90% of my smart phone use is burning time while I'm waiting in a public place.
 
2013-01-13 10:14:39 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


My dad really likes his i-phone.
 
2013-01-13 10:19:09 AM
I didn't realize Bill could be a woman's name.
 
2013-01-13 10:25:21 AM

DontBeSoDigital: Everything about that article was utterly obnoxious.

/iPhone 5 owner


www.majhost.com
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-13 10:31:44 AM
sxacho: I didn't realize Bill could be a woman's name.

I started writing "her" and "she" in my comment. Something made me go back and check. Despite being written by a woman, the article credited a man.
 
2013-01-13 10:33:09 AM
The iphone 6 will actually save your spot in line for the iphone 7.
 
2013-01-13 10:34:37 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


Same. I installed a FF addon (BlockSite) specifically to stop giving any traffic to the Examiner after the non-stop links from there. The rampant douchebaggery in that article got me to add a second website. Congratulations on the trolling, I guess.
 
2013-01-13 10:35:06 AM
I hope this beatweek rag is paying well for these links
 
2013-01-13 10:42:51 AM
farking gross. All of it and the person responsible for greenlighting this shiat.
 
2013-01-13 10:47:17 AM
It must feel horrible to have so much of your identified defined by which phone and which carrier you choose. I imagine this is the kind of person who makes appointments with the Mac store just to go in and talk to the employees for 15 minutes of therapy.
 
2013-01-13 10:48:53 AM

ZAZ: Is his "bars" story plausible? His theory is more people using the same number of antennas = fewer bars. To the extent bars have any meaning, I understand them to be a rough measure of signal strength rather than quality of service. Too many people trying to share one antenna get lots of bars but bad service.


Bbbbuuuttt... he confirmed it with multiple people! And you can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true!

/Mods have gone fishing today.....
 
2013-01-13 10:50:58 AM

Metalupis: avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.

Same


So did I.

He's probably comparing a $99 Huawei Android-phone-of-the-week (that was originally released a year and half ago and is still running Android 2.1) from MetroPCS to his brand-new iPhone 5 (which is $650 from Verizon without contract). On such a comparison, he's probably right, Android does look weak. But it's not a fair comparison. Let's see him do the same comparison with the iPhone 5 versus a flagship Android phone, like the Samsung Galaxy S III or the Galaxy Note II.

Of course that'll never happen. He's already decided that Apple is, like, totally the BEST, so he doesn't see any need to compare a recent offering from an Android manufacturer to Apple's latest because he's already reached his conclusion.
 
2013-01-13 10:54:27 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


Lost interest in the article at this point, kept reading for another few lines and closed the page.
 
2013-01-13 10:55:09 AM
I had the misfortune of working for Verizon for about six months. Verizon is absolutely full of lies and deceit - far more than AT&T or any other carrier (ya reely).

They promise the world, deliver it, and then you find out they're charging you for things you didn't ask for or order (their software is actually designed to do this). Then, when you complain and they say they removed it, they didn't and you will continue to be charged. Then, when you cancel your service with them, they'll contact you several months later telling you that you owe them several hundred dollars for a past due account (that actually happened to me).

I have first-hand experience with the inside of their organization and Verizon is by far the most dishonest company I've ever experienced or worked for.
 
2013-01-13 10:57:05 AM
Most Android users never caught on, as after all it's merely a platform for those geeks whose whose sense of self worth revolves around hating Apple, and those mainstream buyers who don't have the any clue what they're buying.

This guy's loathing of everything that isn't Apple has to be inversely proportional to his penis size. He probably keeps his precious iPhone 5 up his ass and set on vibrate.
 
2013-01-13 11:13:13 AM

weave: Meh, I have them both (Verizon on new iPad, AT&T on my iPhone 5) and I find them pretty even.

The one difference that really pissed me off about Verizon on iPad is, they don't allow one to buy international travel on it unless you are also a regular contract customer -- ie, not just buying data on the device.

With my older AT&T iPad if I went overseas I could just pre-buy a bucket of data to use on it.

Don't believe that? Go into a Verizon iPad with cellular and try and buy an international data package.

Reference


Because Verizon uses cdma, which is pretty much US only. the rest of world uses gsm. your Verizon iPad lacks the necessary radio for overseas use.
 
2013-01-13 11:13:25 AM
Last time I bought a phone I tried to switch to Verizon. They had some trouble processing my credit history. Some issue with mailing addresses not matching up. So I contact the credit agency directly, fax them the appropriate paperwork, wait the requisite week or however long it takes them to process 2 sheets of paper.

I go back to Verizon and.... they still couldn't process my credit for some reason. So fark them. I went over to Sprint and walked out the door that day with a phone I love and an unlimited data plan that's actually unlimited.
 
2013-01-13 11:13:46 AM

Metalupis: avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.

Same


I see this has been covered already
 
2013-01-13 11:15:13 AM

nharrisphoto: avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.

Yep. My Android tablet will out perform an iPad at a fraction of the cost. This guy probably had Steve Jobs exhumed, stuffed, and placed by his mantle so he can fellate him thrice daily.


only thrice?
 
2013-01-13 11:15:34 AM
I've used every carrier. They all suck.
 
2013-01-13 11:22:35 AM

gameshowhost: I've used every carrier. They all suck.


I think I've finally gotten sick enough of T-mo to move on.
 
2013-01-13 11:23:55 AM

YodaBlues: weave: Meh, I have them both (Verizon on new iPad, AT&T on my iPhone 5) and I find them pretty even.

The one difference that really pissed me off about Verizon on iPad is, they don't allow one to buy international travel on it unless you are also a regular contract customer -- ie, not just buying data on the device.

With my older AT&T iPad if I went overseas I could just pre-buy a bucket of data to use on it.

Don't believe that? Go into a Verizon iPad with cellular and try and buy an international data package.

Reference

Because Verizon uses cdma, which is pretty much US only. the rest of world uses gsm. your Verizon iPad lacks the necessary radio for overseas use.


The Verizon iPad has a GSM/HSPA quad band radio in it that works just fine domestically and internationally. A properly built HSPA network is plenty fast.

For comparison I've been running an AT&T SIM in mine. Verizon's network is far better in my area as far as VZ LTE coverage versus AT&T faux-G.

Still not giving up my unlimited international data so I will be with AT&T as long as they don't take that away.

Oh, and did any one mention this article is written by a troll or moron? Maybe even one in the same.
 
2013-01-13 11:24:18 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


What humored me was "stuck in 2009" sounds like something a 13 year old girl would believe is an insult. Probably about fashion or pop music.
 
2013-01-13 11:24:25 AM
So the whole point of the "divorce" was because AT&T broke their contract and gave him a limit on a previously unlimited data plan, but he's never gone over the limit because (like most of us) he's usually connected to a wifi signal?

I wonder what silly thing an Android phone did that sent him in a huff about that too. Seems like there really was never a problem to begin with, and it doesn't sound like he's ever used any other mobile device but Apple.

I have a Verizon connected iPad and an AT&T connected iPhone 5 and I think I'd have to get pretty petty to come up with a complaint for either device or carrier.
 
2013-01-13 11:25:34 AM
How much is this guy paying Fark?

Dude, your blog sucks no matter much you pay sites to display or upvote it.
 
2013-01-13 11:27:24 AM

xenovalent: Of course that'll never happen. He's already decided that Apple is, like, totally the BEST, so he doesn't see any need to compare a recent offering from an Android manufacturer to Apple's latest because he's already reached his conclusion.


I think in a voice assistant to voice assistant matchup between Google Search and Siri, Siri will always lose due to the implementation Apple decided to take. Siri takes the voice data and sends it across the web to the servers that run Siri, which then run voice recognition software and try to parse it into a query. That means it's sending a lot of data to get the command. Google Search has offline voice recognition engines built into Android, so the only thing Google Search sends across the web is a text query to the Google servers.
 
2013-01-13 11:45:15 AM
My first thought was 'What a whiny broad'. Then I saw it was some guy named Bill and I laughed.
 
2013-01-13 11:49:05 AM
All I got from this is "the grass is always greener on the other side." If this person had started out with Verizon, we'd be reading the opposite.
 
2013-01-13 11:51:18 AM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


This.
 
2013-01-13 11:57:07 AM

neuroflare: Metalupis: avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.

Same

I see this has been covered already


Yep, eyes rolled, tab closed, and now it's time to move on.
 
2013-01-13 12:05:09 PM
The stuff (s)he wrote about LTE made me facedesk so hard I actually cracked my desk.
 
2013-01-13 12:07:22 PM
Fark.com: now with Verizon ads masquerading as articles.
 
2013-01-13 12:21:28 PM
IPhones really are just a warm up smartphone. I love my Android, and have never regretted leaving after the iPhone 4.
 
2013-01-13 12:22:44 PM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


Once he said he was texted saying he was being capped on data I quit taking him seriously, he's full of shiat since that didn't happen until a long time after T-Mobile merger died. And they cap unlimited users a lot higher than new users, his android crack just showed he was childish since Samsung phones have been proven superior for a while now.

Verizon is just as bad, it took ATT and their shiatty customer service to get people to forget how bad Verizon's was.
 
2013-01-13 12:38:58 PM
At&t please just give me a Yellow L920
 
2013-01-13 12:46:16 PM
Taken from the Beatweek "about" page: "Beatweek is the publication for music, podcasting, iPhone, iPad, iPod, and social media lovers."

Also: "...our Editor in Chief Bill Palmer (author of the crappy article) has been labeled an "entrepreneur" by the New York Times...."

No surprise about the Android hate, or the fact that the writer, despite being crappy, got published.
 
2013-01-13 12:54:37 PM

Driedsponge: avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.

I powered through. It gets worse...much worse. He goes on to claim that the iPhone5 is really the first phone to use true 4G LTE, and us android users were just being lied to before that.


Wow didn't get that far, either he's delusional or he's a moron the iPhone was like the 6th to use LTE.
 
2013-01-13 01:00:50 PM

slykens1: YodaBlues: weave: Meh, I have them both (Verizon on new iPad, AT&T on my iPhone 5) and I find them pretty even.

The one difference that really pissed me off about Verizon on iPad is, they don't allow one to buy international travel on it unless you are also a regular contract customer -- ie, not just buying data on the device.

With my older AT&T iPad if I went overseas I could just pre-buy a bucket of data to use on it.

Don't believe that? Go into a Verizon iPad with cellular and try and buy an international data package.

Reference

Because Verizon uses cdma, which is pretty much US only. the rest of world uses gsm. your Verizon iPad lacks the necessary radio for overseas use.

The Verizon iPad has a GSM/HSPA quad band radio in it that works just fine domestically and internationally. A properly built HSPA network is plenty fast.

For comparison I've been running an AT&T SIM in mine. Verizon's network is far better in my area as far as VZ LTE coverage versus AT&T faux-G.

Still not giving up my unlimited international data so I will be with AT&T as long as they don't take that away.

Oh, and did any one mention this article is written by a troll or moron? Maybe even one in the same.


Sooooo what area do you live in that has Verizon 4g but no att 4g?

LTE is in every major city for ATT and unless you live in one of those you aren't getting LTE. Not even Verizon gives real LTE in a lot of areas, they just prep towers with the hardware.
 
2013-01-13 01:01:39 PM
hahahaha, guy is apple licious cool aid drinking hater.

But when the iPhone 5 arrived, it had a legitimate 4G LTE antenna in it, one which merely used a normal amount of battery life, and thus it became the first "4G LTE" phone which actually used 4G LTE.

Nope the Vivid and the Skyrocket were the first on ATT's network for LTE support. Ask him to switch jobs with me so he can find out how "great" the Iphones 5's battery life is.

 You see, AT&T cheats and displays "4G" in the menubar when you're using what it used to call its "3G" network.

Apple pushed un update out that made the phones say 4g on the 3g before even had an LTE phone on the market.  Which is my many Apple users call their 4 and 4 s "4g" it was subterfuge by apple to call attention away from them being late to the game with 4g.

The antennas used so much battery power that phones would only have lasted twenty minutes or so, and so these Android phones which claimed to be 4G LTE were actually just running 3G, with the 4G LTE antenna inside sitting there doing nothing, and the "LTE" in the menubar technically just an advertisement.

Just an outright lie. Tell that to my S2 Skyrocket that I get two days of charge out of even when I am literally sitting next to a tower, 40 feet away for at least 8 hours a day.

He is of the typical 90% iphone users, blind faithin a product that they know nothing about, nor know how to use, and then pulling facts out of his ass to prove a point, that is a lie.
 
2013-01-13 01:03:21 PM

Dr. Goldshnoz: RexTalionis: Who the hell keeps approving Beatweek articles? This is like the 3rd or 4th one this week.

2nd. Someone needs to do some housecleaning and redlight the mod that keeps greenlighting this crap. I come to fark for news, not overly opinionated blog-esque crap.


Which is why links from the Gawker network are regularly greenlit around here.

Because Gawker is news.
 
2013-01-13 01:03:31 PM
As a Verizon employee... I'vk heard so many of these Apple douches it makes me sicj
 
2013-01-13 01:09:26 PM
As an ATT employee, I will never own an Apple product after my wifes Iphone dies.  Speaking with Apple users when they get escalated to me are the worst entitled SOBs in the world.
 
2013-01-13 01:17:40 PM

theflatline: As an ATT employee, I will never own an Apple product after my wifes Iphone dies.  Speaking with Apple users when they get escalated to me are the worst entitled SOBs in the world.


If I paid $600 for $200 worth of phone, I'd think I was owed something too.

/a swift kick in the nuts for wasting money most likely.
 
2013-01-13 01:27:50 PM

fluffy2097: theflatline: As an ATT employee, I will never own an Apple product after my wifes Iphone dies.  Speaking with Apple users when they get escalated to me are the worst entitled SOBs in the world.

If I paid $600 for $200 worth of phone, I'd think I was owed something too.

/a swift kick in the nuts for wasting money most likely.


I got an escalation for an iphone 5 activation because the customer, who had owned all previous versions of the iphone was mad because when asked to hit the home button on the phone, he said the rep was not specific enough.  I asked him to hit the home button and he told me to be more specific, and I said "the round depression at the bottom of the screen, the only button the phone has"  and he said i was a smart ass.  How can you be more specific?  farking George Jetson syndrome most iphone users have.

i had another customer who was sold a used iphone 5 as new in an apple store, and it was defective, i figured out what had happened, even talked to the previous owner, and I got apple to replace the phone, though the customer said it was ATT's job to replace the phone because he didnt feel like traveling back to the apple store.  And I told him that he bought it there, he had to return it there and that he should be livid with Apple not ATT.  He  refused to beleive Apple had done no wrong.  Cause you know shrink wrapping a return and reselling it is ok.
 
2013-01-13 01:37:10 PM

theflatline: hahahaha, guy is apple licious cool aid drinking hater.

But when the iPhone 5 arrived, it had a legitimate 4G LTE antenna in it, one which merely used a normal amount of battery life, and thus it became the first "4G LTE" phone which actually used 4G LTE.

Nope the Vivid and the Skyrocket were the first on ATT's network for LTE support. Ask him to switch jobs with me so he can find out how "great" the Iphones 5's battery life is.

 You see, AT&T cheats and displays "4G" in the menubar when you're using what it used to call its "3G" network.

Apple pushed un update out that made the phones say 4g on the 3g before even had an LTE phone on the market.  Which is my many Apple users call their 4 and 4 s "4g" it was subterfuge by apple to call attention away from them being late to the game with 4g.

The antennas used so much battery power that phones would only have lasted twenty minutes or so, and so these Android phones which claimed to be 4G LTE were actually just running 3G, with the 4G LTE antenna inside sitting there doing nothing, and the "LTE" in the menubar technically just an advertisement.

Just an outright lie. Tell that to my S2 Skyrocket that I get two days of charge out of even when I am literally sitting next to a tower, 40 feet away for at least 8 hours a day.

He is of the typical 90% iphone users, blind faithin a product that they know nothing about, nor know how to use, and then pulling facts out of his ass to prove a point, that is a lie.


There is something about AT&T labeling their 3G as 4G on some phones. My Lumia 920 displays LTE for LTE, 4G for 3G, and E for Edge on AT&T. It never really bothered me that much, but yeah it happens.
 
2013-01-13 01:37:51 PM

steamingpile: Sooooo what area do you live in that has Verizon 4g but no att 4g?

LTE is in every major city for ATT and unless you live in one of those you aren't getting LTE. Not even Verizon gives real LTE in a lot of areas, they just prep towers with the hardware.


State College, PA.

We've had Verizon LTE for over a year but only HSPA from AT&T. To that, AT&T has only recently (last six months or so) started filling in the surrounding areas with HSPA. It used to be ten minutes out of town was 2G only. Rumor has been AT&T is going to launch LTE at any time - don't really care - HSPA is fast enough for me and the network only gets overloaded here on football Saturdays.
 
2013-01-13 01:47:49 PM
I don't know if it is the iPhone 5 or Verizon, but the call quality is not as good as when I had an iPhone 4 on ATT. 1 month after switching to Verizon ATT flipped on their LTE and right now it is much faster than Verizon's. I assume that is because they don't have as many users on it at the moment. I'm happy enough with Verizon and they do seem to have better signal in around where I live, but I think when my contract is up I will likely switch back to ATT. I really miss being able to look something up while talking on the phone.
 
2013-01-13 01:48:49 PM

Litterbox: I was a diehard iPhone user for a long time.  Then I got Android and never looked back.  Even on ATT, the phone is much more reliable and I rarely get dropped calls.


Where do you people live? I have NEVER had a dropped call unless I was travelling between towers in the boonies. I have ATT, and anywhere (literally) in Texas, it works fine. The data may suck when I'm out in BFE west Texas (where Odessa is a 'big town') or on the lakes in deep east Texas, etc. but I've never had a dropped call on flip phones or iphones.
 
2013-01-13 01:53:22 PM
Please stop shiatmitting stuff from this site.

Thanks.
 
2013-01-13 01:59:10 PM

theflatline: You see, AT&T cheats and displays "4G" in the menubar when you're using what it used to call its "3G" network.

Apple pushed un update out that made the phones say 4g on the 3g before even had an LTE phone on the market.  Which is my many Apple users call their 4 and 4 s "4g" it was subterfuge by apple to call attention away from them being late to the game with 4g.


AT&T pushed the update to Apple. Apple merely passed it along.
 
2013-01-13 02:00:09 PM

RexTalionis: Who the hell keeps approving Beatweek articles? This is like the 3rd or 4th one this week.


See Weeners.
 
2013-01-13 02:00:49 PM
. Here you choose your phone first, carrier second. And since the iPhone is the only smartphone even worth considering (sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek).....


aaaaaand thats the end of the article for me.
 
2013-01-13 02:27:17 PM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


Pretty much this. Funny how it took him this long to figure out that AT&T blows considering how he feels so smart and saavy. Douchebag.
 
2013-01-13 02:27:54 PM
I thought Fark usually puts sponsored next to link when they're being paid to put the link up? This is the fourth shiatfest link from this site this week, out of nowhere.
 
2013-01-13 02:35:00 PM
I stand by my statement in the last Beatweek thread, that the site is the web publishing equivalent to Alan Smithee films. The people who post there must be ashamed and hiding behind an alias.
 
2013-01-13 02:40:35 PM
Christ, what a smarmy asshole! That irritated more than anything else I have recently read.
 
2013-01-13 03:21:37 PM
its hard to understand phone snobbery, if the other phones were crap, logically no one would buy them, because smartphones have been around for years now and ppl arent that stupid.

I buy android because it does the essentials and its fun to tinker with. My kid would rather have an iphone because the app library is larger including many games he plays that may not have an android version. In android you can make your own app literally on the phone; on an iphone its difficult to do much of anything outside of a store app. At least thats how it used to be. Apple has that sucker way too locked down.
 
2013-01-13 03:57:55 PM
I use at&t/iPhone for work and Verizon/Droid for personal use. I like my Droid better than the iPhone but it is only really a personal preference. I like to fiddle with my phone, my wife just wants it to work, she has an iPhone, I have an Android.

For work I can see the benefit of both carriers. In my (very large) work area at&t has more towers dispersed out to the fringe areas, and Verizon has better connections in the cities and high traffic areas (freeways). So it is at&t for the coverage of fringe areas, Verizon for the quality. I use to say I never use the surf/talk feature of at&t but then once I did.

For personal use without a doubt it is Verizon. 95% of the time when I use my phone I'm in areas where I get better reception with Verizon. The price is about the same for both carriers, but at&t is almost always my second choice. at&t customer support use to really suck, but now it has improved to simply worse than Verizon (this may also because I have had a business relationship with at&t for years now).

CSB:
There is one thing that has followed me with at&t bill I have ever received (in the last 20+ years). Eventually (sooner than later) they will bill you for something that they shouldn't. This has been true with business bills (to a tune of ten's of thousands of dollars) to personal bills of all sorts; DSL, uverse, landline, cell service, you name it, I have tried it. With the same results. DSL almost doubled my bill, uverse added $2 two months into a 12 month contract, landline would get phone numbers we never called (when switching carriers the mysterious phone numbers never showed up again) etc... I had to create a database and script to check every at&t bill at work because they charged my company $20,000 in unknown charges in 6 months. Of course now that we have been verifying each line of each bill the mysterious charges are gone (and they paid us back for the mystery charges). In my personal at&t bills I have had things like cancelling my landline service when I moved, then getting sent to collections four months later with incorrect charges (services that would not work because I cancelled my landline), without ever getting a bill from at&t (they had my email address and my mail was being forwarded). I could go on, but it is pretty much the same story with EVERY bill I have had with at&t.

Personally I have not had the same experience with Verizon. In general Verizon bills are easier to follow and contain no mysterious charges and I have had no issues cancelling services when needed. I keep saying "Never Again!" with at&t but they are the biggest game in town, it is hard to avoid them.
 
2013-01-13 04:19:17 PM

fluffy2097: Dr. Goldshnoz: RexTalionis: Who the hell keeps approving Beatweek articles? This is like the 3rd or 4th one this week.

2nd. Someone needs to do some housecleaning and redlight the mod that keeps greenlighting this crap. I come to fark for news, not overly opinionated blog-esque crap.

Which is why links from the Gawker network are regularly greenlit around here.

Because Gawker is news.


By that rationale you must also believe sean hannity and bill o'rielly are news too?
 
2013-01-13 04:52:06 PM
Switched from sprint to AT&T and could not be happier.

It seems like most of AT&Ts bad rep is from angry yuppies in major cities who overloaded the infrastructure downloading cat videos on their first gen iPhones.
 
2013-01-13 05:16:51 PM
Switched from AT&T to Verizon for the iPhone 5. LTE is so bad I usually force it to stay on 3G. My coverage at work (Times Square area) just sucks in general. Not that AT&T was any better (and I don't have enough experience with their LTE to compare), but I was hoping Verizon would be their usual superior-NYC selves.

Even though I'm disappointed, it's worth it for free tethering alone. I'm not surprised that now that Verizon has had the iPhone and iPad for a while, they're having just as much trouble with congestion on their data network.
 
2013-01-13 05:30:47 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-13 05:35:54 PM
It certainly hasn't taught him how to proofread his articles.
 
2013-01-13 05:37:01 PM
I kept waiting for there to be a point to that article. It seems like he traded some reception in his living room for the ability to surf while talking and a throttled unlimited data plan. Depending on how bad the reception was in his house, that seems like a wash at best.

Maybe you have to be drunk to find the point in that blather.
 
2013-01-13 05:42:39 PM
Also, this guy has a mac.com email address -- that's a domain that Apple owns. He might be a little more directly in their pocket.

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-01-13 05:50:12 PM
Article reads like a consumerist thread...geez
 
2013-01-13 07:14:36 PM

Animatronik: its hard to understand phone snobbery, if the other phones were crap, logically no one would buy them,


I would say most people that have a preference don't honestly believe the "other" phone is crap, it's just not really as good as their choice, and tbh, for some people the reasons they have to like "their" phone can be totally legit, and for them "their" phone actually may be better. I personally go with Android, and will never get an iPhone as long as you have no option to throw in more memory, or be able to swap a battery when needed.

because smartphones have been around for years now and ppl arent that stupid.

Errr...yeah, they are.
 
2013-01-13 07:33:09 PM
As an Android user, I have to admit I am sometimes jealous of the app selection available on the iPhone. Not to mention the media selection built in (Google Play has no music store in Canada, and their movie, book, and magazine selection leaves much to be desired).
 
2013-01-13 07:38:52 PM

YodaBlues: weave: Meh, I have them both (Verizon on new iPad, AT&T on my iPhone 5) and I find them pretty even.

The one difference that really pissed me off about Verizon on iPad is, they don't allow one to buy international travel on it unless you are also a regular contract customer -- ie, not just buying data on the device.

With my older AT&T iPad if I went overseas I could just pre-buy a bucket of data to use on it.

Don't believe that? Go into a Verizon iPad with cellular and try and buy an international data package.

Reference

Because Verizon uses cdma, which is pretty much US only. the rest of world uses gsm. your Verizon iPad lacks the necessary radio for overseas use.


Well...not so much. There are many countries which use CDMA (1Xrtt and EV-DO; (Rev 0 and Rev A) ). Actually, more than 80 of them support CDMA in some flavor or frequency.
 
2013-01-13 07:53:47 PM
I switched to Verizon because the iPhone 5 (and I believe all their LTE phones) are unlocked and provide free tethering.
 
2013-01-13 08:04:30 PM

TonyDanza: Animatronik: its hard to understand phone snobbery, if the other phones were crap, logically no one would buy them,

I would say most people that have a preference don't honestly believe the "other" phone is crap, it's just not really as good as their choice, and tbh, for some people the reasons they have to like "their" phone can be totally legit, and for them "their" phone actually may be better. I personally go with Android, and will never get an iPhone as long as you have no option to throw in more memory, or be able to swap a battery when needed.

because smartphones have been around for years now and ppl arent that stupid.

Errr...yeah, they are.


I don't think so, not when it comes to high end smartphones. Both Apple and the various Android phone and tablet makers are putting out good hardware. I just prefer Android and went with an Android tablet too over iPad Mini, which is also very nice.
 
2013-01-13 08:20:09 PM

steamingpile:
Sooooo what area do you live in that has Verizon 4g but no att 4g?

LTE is in every major city for ATT and unless you live in one of those you aren't getting LTE. Not even Verizon gives real LTE in a lot of areas, they just prep towers with the hardware.


Verizon's LTE is far more widespread than anyone else's. The maps the carriers give you are worthless. Here are daily updated maps of where actual users are getting LTE:

Verizon
AT&T
 
2013-01-13 09:46:07 PM
I can see from the "Stopped reading right there" comments that the local droid users missed the best quote in the article:

"Most Android users never caught on (to their phones not using real LTE), as after all it's merely a platform for those geeks whose whose sense of self worth revolves around hating Apple, and those mainstream buyers who don't have the any clue what they're buying."


nailed it
 
2013-01-13 09:57:29 PM
This is the first time I clicked on a Beatweek link, and it will be the last. Seriously, WTF? It makes even the Daily Fail look like hard-hitting journalism.

/still goes extra-cheap with Tracfone on AT&T's network
//yes, AT&T's network sucks
 
2013-01-13 10:10:03 PM

Surool: I can see from the "Stopped reading right there" comments that the local droid users missed the best quote in the article:

"Most Android users never caught on (to their phones not using real LTE), as after all it's merely a platform for those geeks whose whose sense of self worth revolves around hating Apple, and those mainstream buyers who don't have the any clue what they're buying."


nailed it


Nope. Some folks like me use Android because they like it better,and would use iOS if it were the only game in town. iOS is Ok, I used to havea Touch and Im not an Apple hater.

/the point being that someone is better painted with his own brush,if his sense of self worth requires that he defend his favorite company in such a manner...
 
2013-01-13 10:15:37 PM

Animatronik: Surool: I can see from the "Stopped reading right there" comments that the local droid users missed the best quote in the article:

"Most Android users never caught on (to their phones not using real LTE), as after all it's merely a platform for those geeks whose whose sense of self worth revolves around hating Apple, and those mainstream buyers who don't have the any clue what they're buying."

nailed it

Nope. Some folks like me use Android because they like it better,and would use iOS if it were the only game in town. iOS is Ok, I used to havea Touch and Im not an Apple hater.

/the point being that someone is better painted with his own brush,if his sense of self worth requires that he defend his favorite company in such a manner...


Weird, because I've seen days of non-stop Apple attacks and Android phone spec circle jerks on a fairly regular basis. I've used the same phone for 3.5 years, it runs the most current OS and has yet to fail me in any way... but Apple!
Nice of you to jump in as the alleged reasonable droid user, but seriously.
 
2013-01-13 10:45:30 PM

Surool: I can see from the "Stopped reading right there" comments that the local droid users missed the best quote in the article:

"Most Android users never caught on (to their phones not using real LTE), as after all it's merely a platform for those geeks whose whose sense of self worth revolves around hating Apple, and those mainstream buyers who don't have the any clue what they're buying."


nailed it


You sound butthurt.
www.aboyandhiscomputer.com
 
2013-01-13 10:52:12 PM

Surool: but seriously.


talk about self worth revolving around legitimizing your platform.
 
2013-01-13 10:56:30 PM

Surool: Weird, because I've seen days of non-stop Apple attacks and Android phone spec circle jerks on a fairly regular basis. I've used the same phone for 3.5 years, it runs the most current OS and has yet to fail me in any way... but Apple!
Nice of you to jump in as the alleged reasonable droid user, but seriously.


There have been four articles in a week posted from a magazine that claims with a straight face that iPhone had the first LTE. But you're right, the toxic anti-Apple culture is clear.
 
2013-01-13 10:58:11 PM
I'd like to thank you all for proving the point ever so perfectly.
 
2013-01-13 10:58:34 PM

avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.


ditto
 
2013-01-13 11:05:25 PM

Surool: I'd like to thank you all for proving the point ever so perfectly.


Just because people laugh at geniuses doesn't mean everyone laughed at is a genius.
 
2013-01-13 11:35:04 PM
Start>Run
notepad 'C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\etc\hosts'

add to end of file:
127.0.0.1 www.beatweek.com

Save and enjoy one crappy less troll site in life.
 
2013-01-14 12:03:15 AM
I'll overlook the rabid iPhone love, since there's just no convincing some people, but the stuff about 4G LTE made my brain hurt. I know AT&T has "faux G" as the author described, but a simple speed test would show you that Verizon's 4G LTE is wicked fast. I consistently get 18 Mbps to 35 Mbps, and have since my first 4G phone (Galaxy Nexus).
 
2013-01-14 12:10:32 AM
The idea that people use Android purely out of spite or stupidity...is an idea that itself is rooted in spite or stupidity.

Android is good and so is iOS. For me, Android is better. For one thing, I can get an Android device to do whatever I want, and for another I don't have to use iTunes except when I helping my son with his iPod Touch, 4th gen.

iTunes is a horrible program. It was originally designed to lock the user into the Apple media experience and deny access to music from non-Apple sources, and to prevent the device from being used with any media not in an Apple format. Which is why it is 10X larger than it needs to be and always getting patched (until recently) into somethingg bigger and uglier.

I think Apple gradually woke up and realized that restricting the experience was costing them customers, but its still a problem.

On Android, I can see everything on the device and organize it any way I want. This is daunting to some users. Those users may be better off with a more restricted experience. They can get everything they need and then some from an iPhone.

Some things like Pandora are indistinguishable for any phone/device (I'm typing this on an Android tablet while listening to Pandora and using a BT keyboard designed to work with an iPad). In other words, for me, there simply is no advantage to owning an iphone or iPad and several big drawbacks.
 
2013-01-14 12:18:41 AM

kyuzokai: I'll overlook the rabid iPhone love, since there's just no convincing some people, but the stuff about 4G LTE made my brain hurt. I know AT&T has "faux G" as the author described, but a simple speed test would show you that Verizon's 4G LTE is wicked fast. I consistently get 18 Mbps to 35 Mbps, and have since my first 4G phone (Galaxy Nexus).


The funny part about that comment is that it is the opposite of what actually happened for Verizon. When Verizon first introduced the iPhone 4, it was a 3G PHONE. So shortly after that, you could get a contract with 4G for several droid phones but not the iPhone on Verizon.

Eventually, a 4G iPhone was introduced, but the idea that there was some innovation by Apple that change the 4G scene seems silly on the Verizon side.
 
2013-01-14 12:19:34 AM
I have a two year old HTC Thunderbolt, and my wifey has a brand new iPhone 5.

Both thru Verizon.

Guess which one never drops calls, seems to always have more bars even when travelling, gets faster internet downloads, and generally never craps out in the middle of something?

/in short Apple Sucks Donkey balls
 
2013-01-14 02:11:24 AM
tl;dr:
he changed his cell provider, and wrote a ridiculously long article about it.
 
2013-01-14 03:02:09 AM
I get annoyed by android sometimes. I wish that google thought more about how the different applications worked together, instead of (seemingly) allowing every single application to written by its own isolated team. I wish carriers couldn't load android up with so many bullshiat apps and skins. I wish that manufacturers would pay attention to things like battery life, instead of sticking us with phones that die in under eight hours. I wish that the upgrade path to get old phones on new operating systems was more well-though-out. I wish there was somebody approving the apps, so that I didn't have to worry about installing an app that would send my address book to spammers.

But... this guy is just a douchebag. He's apparently only smug because he hasn't had enough cock punches administered.

Congratulations, douchebag. You bought a phone. Nobody is going to sleep with you for that.
 
2013-01-14 07:32:04 AM

Dokushin: Also, this guy has a mac.com email address -- that's a domain that Apple owns. He might be a little more directly in their pocket.


While your assumption might be true - the use of the Mac.com domain is not proof.

/ You could probably find thousands of people here on fark with a Mac.com email address.

// Mac.com is a relic of apples suite of online tools (still have mine)
 
2013-01-14 07:43:13 AM

Aldon:
There is one thing that has followed me with at&t bill I have ever received (in the last 20+ years). Eventually (sooner than later) they will bill you for something that they shouldn't.


As a 8-year ATT wireless subscriber, I can indeed confirm this BUT, and it's a very big "but," if you call up customer service and, in a calm and collected manner, ask them about it, they'll correct it. I've never known any company to not make mistakes on occasion. I've made mistakes in billing my clients and thus accept the fact that it'll happen at times. So long as the company is willing to fix it when they DO make a mistake, we're golden. Even when it's not a mistake, ATT does a good job of making customers with some semblance of a history happy. After my first contract was up, I got all of my activation fees waived from that point forward. I am grandfathered in on unlimited data, have no throttling issues, and even had my pro-rated charges comped when we switched from iPhones to S-3s just after Thanksgiving and added a line and unlimited text and mobile to mobile. I've never had anyone on the ATT side of things tell me "no" or snub me. They've always taken care of me and valued me as a customer. I can't say that for Verizon (non-wireless) with horrible India-based customer service for DSL and home phone.

I think it's all anecdotal in the end. Some people just have better experiences than others with their carries. They're probably all about the same in reality, people in this nation just like to rabidly cheer for one team over another.
 
2013-01-14 12:19:53 PM
So in summary: The best wireless provider for you to choose is the one that has the best signal strength/reliability in the areas you frequent most.

Aaaaaand if that carrier is AT&T (which it is by a significant margin at my home and workplace, where Verizon sucks) then your argument is invalid.

This article says nothing about AT&T vs. Verizon other than that in the parts of LA she inhabits the Verizon network is better. Big surprise, this is not necessarily true in every single square mile of the rest of the country.
 
2013-01-14 03:48:39 PM

RAWISRADFORD: Dokushin: Also, this guy has a mac.com email address -- that's a domain that Apple owns. He might be a little more directly in their pocket.

While your assumption might be true - the use of the Mac.com domain is not proof.

/ You could probably find thousands of people here on fark with a Mac.com email address.

// Mac.com is a relic of apples suite of online tools (still have mine)


Ah, got ya. Thanks for the info.
 
2013-01-15 01:13:23 PM

Droog8912: avalanche: FTFA: sorry Android users, your iPhone ripoffs are still stuck in 2009 and you got played by the salesgeek

Stopped reading right there.

Same. I installed a FF addon (BlockSite) specifically to stop giving any traffic to the Examiner after the non-stop links from there. The rampant douchebaggery in that article got me to add a second website. Congratulations on the trolling, I guess.


Good call on BlockSite. Just installed it myself because of douchey blogs like this. BuzzFeed might be next on my list.
 
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