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(Sun Journal (Maine))   31 years ago Pvt. Donald Tremblay ignored his officers' orders and deserted the Marine Corps. On Thursday they arrested her for it   ( sunjournal.com) divider line
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2013-01-13 06:16:05 AM  
That entire story, as written, gives me a goddamn headache because there has to be 20 paragraphs missing.
 
2013-01-13 08:04:56 AM  
They don't (didn't ) care because she was a guy wanting a sex change. They were glad to be rid of her / him. Sounds like they just tossed the file out because they were happy he was gone.
 
2013-01-13 08:17:09 AM  
How about a one year statute of limitations on desertion. Automatic dishonorable discharge and a claim to monetary damages for training received. That means Joe I don't wanna go ends up paying the military back for the trouble he has caused. If they are owed money I can guarantee as soon as they locate said shrub no matter what was cut off they will get their money back.
 
2013-01-13 08:23:22 AM  
The Marines in particular don't really want you back, even to punish you, when you desert.  They wait until you are picked up for something else and then claim you if your criminal charges are not sufficient to hold you.  Unless there are extenuating circumstances, like deserting during a time of war or other criminal charges they usually dishonorably discharge you send you on the way.   The Marines might make their deserter sweat for a bit, but they tend to run the paperwork and give you the boot.

/Former Air Force cop, we would get all the local Marine deserters picked up by civil law enforcement and hold them until the Marines showed up.
 
2013-01-13 09:25:55 AM  

Revek: How about a one year statute of limitations on desertion.


How about summary execution MUST be maintained in the case of a real war and thus the laws regarding desertion are going to be strong and seemingly wasteful in times of peace.

It's the same reason we make kids sign up for the draft even thought it's nearly impossible to imagine it being necessary.
 
2013-01-13 10:35:58 AM  
She should have had the sex change first. Then she could have gone the "desertion through 'accidental' pregnancy" route.

/yes, I know my ignorance is showing
 
2013-01-13 10:37:49 AM  
I hope he/she finished his secret mission with SPHINX.
 
2013-01-13 10:38:57 AM  
I've seen this episode of NCIS. She made out with Dinozzo.
 
2013-01-13 10:39:26 AM  
It's simply not worth it to the military to track down deserters. They just flag your social security number and... that's it. All the military 'wants' from this person is a few signatures on the dishonorable discharge forms because the modern military runs on bullets and paperwork.
 
2013-01-13 10:39:33 AM  

Arkanaut: I hope he/she finished his secret mission with SPHINX.


SPHINX!
 
2013-01-13 10:40:13 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: I've seen this episode of NCIS. She made out with Dinozzo

DiNozzo.

/FTFM, damnit.
 
2013-01-13 10:42:07 AM  
Semper guy?
 
2013-01-13 10:42:38 AM  
She's not a she. fark him.
 
2013-01-13 10:42:48 AM  
Sounds like a batch of old records were recently computerized or a new interlink agreement put in place. I use to see this at the DMV when people from out of state were trying to get a license. The computer would show that they had unpaid speeding tickets in another state from fifteen years ago. Before the states starting linking their systems together and inputting old records, moving out of state would often be the end of it. Now that they're all connected and more and more old records loaded in, these old issues pop up.

As for the deserter, he/she should be happy with a dishonorable discharge and continue to move on with life. No one benefits from prosecution in this case but an honorable discharge isn't deserved either.
 
2013-01-13 10:44:56 AM  
She is still in possession of the dangling participle.
 
2013-01-13 10:45:07 AM  
"Since the arrest, the Marines have made an offer of a general discharge under honorable conditions, Tremblay said. However, it's not certain. She has no lawyer of her own and worries that the offer might disappear before the military discharge form, known as a DD-214, arrives.

"They're going to give me a dishonorable discharge," she said. "I have a feeling that's going to happen.""

For heaven's sake, stop worrying about what could be and take the deal already! I have a relative like this, won't take the easy way but will worry about every little stupid possibility, until it's too late for a good outcome because they spent too much time thinking about stuff.

Take the deal. If the Marines are gonna double cross her then without a lawyer there's not much she can do anyways.
 
2013-01-13 10:45:21 AM  

doglover: How about summary execution MUST be maintained in the case of a real war and thus the laws regarding desertion are going to be strong and seemingly wasteful in times of peace.


What about when war is never actually declared? Like the last six times?
 
2013-01-13 10:51:30 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Arkanaut: I hope he/she finished his secret mission with SPHINX.

SPHINX!


I Sphinxed Her!
 
2013-01-13 10:52:20 AM  

doglover: How about summary execution MUST be maintained in the case of a real war and thus the laws regarding desertion are going to be strong and seemingly wasteful in times of peace.


no need at all. it's better to have the penalties for desertion be harsh but not catastrophic, it provides a filter to get the cowards out BEFORE they freeze up and get a bunch of good soldiers killed because they were too busy filling their trousers and had no time to engage the enemy.
 
2013-01-13 10:52:46 AM  
He ought to be arrested just for looking like that! USA!
 
2013-01-13 10:53:31 AM  
FTFFA "The only thing they have on me is desertion. Other than that, I was a good Marine. I didn't get in trouble or anything."

That's the ONLY thing. Geez, isn't it enough. Why didn't she just go to NC and learn to drive a truck, she would've had a skill and maybe wouldn't be living in a trailer park with cats?

She could have had a nice little house or condominium with cats.
 
2013-01-13 10:53:31 AM  
"I don't have any regrets because I don't know how else I could have handled it," she said.

You know how else? You could have followed order and did what they asked you to do. It's the military, not a farking summer camp where you pick and choose what you participate in.
 
2013-01-13 10:57:22 AM  

doglover: Revek: How about a one year statute of limitations on desertion.

How about summary execution MUST be maintained in the case of a real war and thus the laws regarding desertion are going to be strong and seemingly wasteful in times of peace.

It's the same reason we make kids sign up for the draft even thought it's nearly impossible to imagine it being necessary.


No, we make males sign up, for some reason women are still immune to selective service.
 
2013-01-13 10:58:01 AM  
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2013-01-13 11:00:20 AM  
Military recruiters should be held personally liable for violations of written contracts they make with recruits.
 
2013-01-13 11:03:44 AM  

Prey4reign: She's not a she. fark him.


Why do you care about it enough to get mad?
 
2013-01-13 11:04:06 AM  
I've been a Marine core for 30 years. This soldier should go away for the rest of her life. The Navy should hang her from the yard arm.

Simper Fi!

Who-ra!

/kidding
 
2013-01-13 11:06:35 AM  
He deserts 31 years ago and NOW he's worried he might get stuck with a dishonorable discharge? Take your punishment, whatever it may be, and be done with it.
 
2013-01-13 11:07:57 AM  
"They're going to give me a dishonorable discharge," she said. "I have a feeling that's going to happen."

Yea, thats what happens whe you go awol dip shiat.
 
2013-01-13 11:14:26 AM  
He/she left because the Marines wouldn't honor her "contract". The Marines don't need no stinkin' contracts!
Semper fi.
 
2013-01-13 11:16:38 AM  
It sounds like the Marines really...

dodged a bullet with this one.


YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2013-01-13 11:18:04 AM  
What can't drones do?
 
2013-01-13 11:21:47 AM  

skinink: "Since the arrest, the Marines have made an offer of a general discharge under honorable conditions, Tremblay said. However, it's not certain. She has no lawyer of her own and worries that the offer might disappear before the military discharge form, known as a DD-214, arrives.

"They're going to give me a dishonorable discharge," she said. "I have a feeling that's going to happen.""

For heaven's sake, stop worrying about what could be and take the deal already! I have a relative like this, won't take the easy way but will worry about every little stupid possibility, until it's too late for a good outcome because they spent too much time thinking about stuff.

Take the deal. If the Marines are gonna double cross her then without a lawyer there's not much she can do anyways.


Dishonorable discharges can only be given after being found guilty by a General Court-Martial. It probably isn't worth it to bother with a trial. Even a Bad Conduct Discharge requires a Special Court-Martial. Going with the administrative discharge under "other than honorable" circumstances is likely the only effort the Marines feel like making.
 
2013-01-13 11:25:03 AM  

martid4: She is still in possession of the dangling participle.


Then, that's a man, baby.
 
2013-01-13 11:30:44 AM  

martid4: She is still in possession of the dangling participle.


Fact: the angle of the dangle is proportionate to the heat of the meat.
 
2013-01-13 11:31:08 AM  

Girion47: No, we make males sign up, for some reason women are still immune to selective service.


But equal rights and such garbage!
 
2013-01-13 11:31:56 AM  

abhorrent1: "I don't have any regrets because I don't know how else I could have handled it," she said.

You know how else? You could have followed order and did what they asked you to do. It's the military, not a farking summer camp where you pick and choose what you participate in.


You know who else just followed orders?
 
2013-01-13 11:33:45 AM  
You should have seen what we did to deserters back in the Wang Chung Delta when I was in the core.
 
2013-01-13 11:35:13 AM  

BigLuca: I've been a Marine core for 30 years. This soldier should go away for the rest of her life. The Navy should hang her from the yard arm.

Simper Fi!

Who-ra!

/kidding


Sempervivum Parrotis! I was a Ranger in the Core too! My time as a sniper taught me everything I need to know! Even though I've been out 20 years, I'm still subject to recall for those "special missions" where they need plausible deniability.
 
2013-01-13 11:35:24 AM  
HE had 31 years to resolve the situation.  Some of the money spent on getting his fantasy woman body could have instead went towards a lawyer to act as a contact to communicate with the Marines.  If contacted before all this happened, they probably would have offered the same general discharge and it would have been resolved quickly.

Sounds like a stupid guy who wants to be a stupid girl.  No sympathy for him.

Besides, who would pick the Marines if they want a specific job or a certain location?  Army or Air Force deal more in personal options.
 
2013-01-13 11:36:56 AM  

Lehk: doglover: How about summary execution MUST be maintained in the case of a real war and thus the laws regarding desertion are going to be strong and seemingly wasteful in times of peace.

no need at all. it's better to have the penalties for desertion be harsh but not catastrophic, it provides a filter to get the cowards out BEFORE they freeze up and get a bunch of good soldiers killed because they were too busy filling their trousers and had no time to engage the enemy.


Desertion in wartime can be punishable by death but its only happened one time since the civil war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_ m ilitary
 
2013-01-13 11:40:21 AM  

voodoomedic: abhorrent1: "I don't have any regrets because I don't know how else I could have handled it," she said.

You know how else? You could have followed order and did what they asked you to do. It's the military, not a farking summer camp where you pick and choose what you participate in.

You know who else just followed orders?


Lance Cpl. Dawson?
 
2013-01-13 11:41:13 AM  

psychicdeath99: Dishonorable discharges can only be given after being found guilty by a General Court-Martial. It probably isn't worth it to bother with a trial. Even a Bad Conduct Discharge requires a Special Court-Martial. Going with the administrative discharge under "other than honorable" circumstances is likely the only effort the Marines feel like making.


Known a handful of deserters who were returned back to duty just long enough to run the paperwork through. In all of those cases an OTH was issued unless there were extenuating criminal circumstances.
 
2013-01-13 11:45:13 AM  
It's Pat!

/weak
 
2013-01-13 11:47:13 AM  
Anyone else notice how many tomes Poland was spell checked correctly when it should be Portland? Lulz..
 
2013-01-13 11:48:48 AM  

abhorrent1: voodoomedic: abhorrent1: "I don't have any regrets because I don't know how else I could have handled it," she said.

You know how else? You could have followed order and did what they asked you to do. It's the military, not a farking summer camp where you pick and choose what you participate in.

You know who else just followed orders?

Lance Cpl. Dawson?


Well played... bravo.
 
2013-01-13 11:49:30 AM  

skinink: "Since the arrest, the Marines have made an offer of a general discharge under honorable conditions, Tremblay said. However, it's not certain. She has no lawyer of her own and worries that the offer might disappear before the military discharge form, known as a DD-214, arrives.

"They're going to give me a dishonorable discharge," she said. "I have a feeling that's going to happen.""

For heaven's sake, stop worrying about what could be and take the deal already! I have a relative like this, won't take the easy way but will worry about every little stupid possibility, until it's too late for a good outcome because they spent too much time thinking about stuff.

Take the deal. If the Marines are gonna double cross her then without a lawyer there's not much she can do anyways.


Yeah, take the frigging deal.

General under Honorable Conditions is a steal of a deal in that scenario. I know a few people who got worse for doing a lot less.

Get the deal in writing, have a JAG review it, sign the farking thing.
 
2013-01-13 11:55:52 AM  

tukatz: HE had 31 years to resolve the situation.  Some of the money spent on getting his fantasy woman body could have instead went towards a lawyer to act as a contact to communicate with the Marines.  If contacted before all this happened, they probably would have offered the same general discharge and it would have been resolved quickly.

Sounds like a stupid guy who wants to be a stupid girl.  No sympathy for him.

Besides, who would pick the Marines if they want a specific job or a certain location?  Army or Air Force deal more in personal options.


I knew, years ago, a transgendered individual who was a Marine.

She joined when she was in denial. Since the USMC has such a macho, manly reputation, it was kind of a way to ignore that emotionally she wanted to be a woman.

She did her four years, but it didn't help her deal with her issues. She started to transition by the time the DD-214 was in her hands.

Amusingly, this was before Iraq. She was called back by the IRR a few years later OIF started. By this point, she'd changed her name, was on hormones, and was living full time as a woman and just checking the boxes before she could get her operation.

When the papers calling her to active duty came, she reported in like a good Marine. The personnel clerk apparently facepalmed when presented with her papers and story. According to my old acquaintance, his exact words when this was explained was:

"Can I just stamp your papers 'gay' and be done with it?"

Apparently not. She would fight any homosexual discharge, saying she was a straight woman, not a gay man. Eventually they called it a medical one and was done with it.
 
2013-01-13 11:56:55 AM  
sex change and military deserter? Insta-green on fark
 
2013-01-13 11:58:24 AM  
"I figured by getting out of Maine, I'd be getting out of trouble," she said.

Maine you so badass
 
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