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(Crave Online)   Stephen King talks about new TV series adaptation of Under The Dome: "I always felt like [Steven] Spielberg's view of American Life and mine are similar. We both see the extraordinary things in ordinary things and people"   (craveonline.com) divider line 55
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2013-01-13 06:35:40 AM
Similar maybe in the fact that a lot of their works could be shorter.
 
2013-01-13 06:47:01 AM
I liked the book fine, pretty traditional Stephen King stuff, but 1000 pages and the entire thing took place in a week? He's right about a TV show being better about stretching it out into months; I would have like to have read about resource management and problems like that. As I remember though, it all turned into an anti-Dick Cheney screed. With aliens.
 
2013-01-13 08:17:05 AM
I picked up the book because it was huge and it looked easy to read. I got about 300 pages in and was completely and totally bored. Whoever is the "editor" of Stephen King's stuff really needs to have that guy put on the brakes.
 
2013-01-13 08:24:34 AM
I love that the article feels the need to remind us that he's talking about (Steven) Spielberg. As if one of us might get confused and say "Is he talking about Bob Spielberg, from accounting?" If the first name were not provided.
 
2013-01-13 08:26:14 AM
I usually love reading King's stuff and never have a problem with his works being excessively long. However, with Under the Dome I felt like he was simply beating the reader over the head with anti-GWB/Cheney crap. I hated those guys but I also know why I hated them, I didn't need a huge work of fiction full of reasons.

The one thing I'm frustrated about is that since King got hit by that van, half the crap he writes is essentially his own psychotherapy. Usually that's not a problem, but for some reason Under the Dome was more annoying than anything.

/The one cool thing was that the stone at the end was marked with the same symbol as the tiny door in IT.
//But IT didn't deserve to be connected to the piece of crap that was Under the Dome.
 
2013-01-13 08:52:36 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: The one thing I'm frustrated about is that since King got hit by that van, half the crap he writes is essentially his own psychotherapy. Usually that's not a problem, but for some reason Under the Dome was more annoying than anything.


People always say the van was a turning point in his career but I don't think it was at all. Before the van he was pouring out such masterworks as Gerald's Game and Dolores Clairborne. After the van he really hit bottom for sure, with Dreamcatcher.

He got hit by that van 15 or so years ago, and he's put out some great stuff since then, and a bunch of crap too, just like before the van. Duma Key and that last Dark Tower book were fantastic and can stand up to any of his stuff. Under the Dome felt like a King's greatest works at times, and then it went all Cheney again.
 
2013-01-13 08:55:57 AM
(by "last Dark Tower book" I mean the new one that was recently published last year, not the LAST Dark Tower book, which is certainly a whole nother argument)
 
2013-01-13 09:01:03 AM
I thought Under The Dome was pretty good. Not part of a series, and it has a defined ending.
 
2013-01-13 09:01:51 AM

Confabulat: He got hit by that van 15 or so years ago, and he's put out some great stuff since then, and a bunch of crap too, just like before the van. Duma Key and that last Dark Tower book were fantastic and can stand up to any of his stuff. Under the Dome felt like a King's greatest works at times, and then it went all Cheney again.


I agree completely, but Duma Key would have never been written if Steve's accident hadn't happened. I guess I shouldn't have called it "crap" in my post there, because a good amount of it isn't crap. And his short stories in Just After Sunset and Full Dark, No Stars are as awesome as his old stuff.
 
2013-01-13 09:04:33 AM

Confabulat: (by "last Dark Tower book" I mean the new one that was recently published last year, not the LAST Dark Tower book, which is certainly a whole nother argument)


I love all the Dark Tower books and have no problem with him including himself in the story, mostly because of how unflattering a picture he paints of himself.
 
2013-01-13 09:11:25 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: Confabulat: He got hit by that van 15 or so years ago, and he's put out some great stuff since then, and a bunch of crap too, just like before the van. Duma Key and that last Dark Tower book were fantastic and can stand up to any of his stuff. Under the Dome felt like a King's greatest works at times, and then it went all Cheney again.

I agree completely, but Duma Key would have never been written if Steve's accident hadn't happened. I guess I shouldn't have called it "crap" in my post there, because a good amount of it isn't crap. And his short stories in Just After Sunset and Full Dark, No Stars are as awesome as his old stuff.


I always thought his short stories were his best work. He was amazing at capturing that crescendo of terror, and leaving the reader with that feeling.
 
2013-01-13 09:19:14 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: Confabulat: (by "last Dark Tower book" I mean the new one that was recently published last year, not the LAST Dark Tower book, which is certainly a whole nother argument)

I love all the Dark Tower books and have no problem with him including himself in the story, mostly because of how unflattering a picture he paints of himself.


Yeah I had heard he wrote himself into the books before I read them but I was at least happily surprised at what a miserable SOB he was and how much Roland detests him. I should read those last few books again one day. Well maybe not Song of Susannah, bleh.

I listened to the newest Dark Tower audiobook on my bike rides to and from work, it's narrated by King himself. Listening to King do first-person Roland is remarkable.
 
2013-01-13 09:19:31 AM
WORST. ENDING. EVER.

Yes, including The Dark Tower.
 
2013-01-13 09:35:01 AM
"We both see the extraordinary things in ordinary things and people"

Except King describes the extraordinary things while Spielberg describes people looking at extraordinary things. Spielberg really likes reaction shots of people staring at things.
 
2013-01-13 09:36:42 AM
...Read it about a year ago - and for reasons I will never be able to explain, about 1/4 of the way through it, I knew EXACTLY what was going to be on the last few pages.

I kept hearing Tom Servo say. "Book, if you do this, I am SO going over to the Dark Side..."
 
2013-01-13 09:38:32 AM
Simpsons did it.
 
2013-01-13 09:39:01 AM

AtlanticCoast63: ...Read it about a year ago - and for reasons I will never be able to explain, about 1/4 of the way through it, I knew EXACTLY what was going to be on the last few pages.

I kept hearing Tom Servo say. "Book, if you do this, I am SO going over to the Dark Side..."


Where do "the last few pages" start in that book? I thought it was a really fast 900-page read, but there were about 100 pages left after the story ended.
 
2013-01-13 10:10:28 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Simpsons did it.


I have no idea how King creates his characters, but throughout the entire book I couldn't shake the impression that the antagonist was what you'd get if you asked a group of 12 year olds to brainstorm your villain.
 
2013-01-13 10:12:50 AM
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2013-01-13 10:13:53 AM

Confabulat: (by "last Dark Tower book" I mean the new one that was recently published last year, not the LAST Dark Tower book, which is certainly a whole nother argument)


Good thing you were quick with that, because I saw them warming the tar.
 
2013-01-13 10:30:49 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: I usually love reading King's stuff and never have a problem with his works being excessively long. However, with Under the Dome I felt like he was simply beating the reader over the head with anti-GWB/Cheney crap. I hated those guys but I also know why I hated them, I didn't need a huge work of fiction full of reasons.

/The one cool thing was that the stone at the end was marked with the same symbol as the tiny door in IT.
//But IT didn't deserve to be connected to the piece of crap that was Under the Dome.


Yeah, he published it too late for it to have real impact. The whole country was pretty much against Bush at that point, and we'd seen lots and lots of manifestations of that in film and fiction. It was behind the curve. So it came off as heavy-handed, not clever, and more than a little petty. If he had published it earlier it might have had more bite.
 
2013-01-13 10:49:49 AM

costermonger: Tyrone Slothrop: Simpsons did it.

I have no idea how King creates his characters, but throughout the entire book I couldn't shake the impression that the antagonist was what you'd get if you asked a group of 12 year olds to brainstorm your villain.


Sorry, I have no idea why that quoted you. I blame my phone.
 
2013-01-13 10:52:28 AM
I do a lot of driving and I've been on this massive Stephen King audiobook kick for literally 14 months. I have been listening to mostly earlier stuff from the 70's and 80's that I don't remember well, on up to 11/22/63, which IMHO, is his absolute best work to date, aside from "IT" (IT fans get definitely a nice throwback in 11/22/63 as the main character visits Derry during the height of Pennywise's rampage, there's also a Christine homage) I'm probably about halfway through his repertoire. There's a couple that I've read recently enough that I won't bother with.

King does have a tendency to recycle characters, and that get old. He also has the tendency to delay resolution to whatever crisis the characters are going through, and under most circumstances the reasons are lame. I also wish that he would let some of main characters survive.

I completely agree though, he's good at capturing terror.
 
2013-01-13 10:53:08 AM
I would rather see it on AMC, FX, HBO or Showtime. Networks where they can get dark and dirty. They also need to have a set in stone end of the series in place before they even start. With guarantees that CBS will let them get to that point.

I fear that if ratings aren't what CBS wants then it gets the axe before coming to it's proper conclusion.
 
2013-01-13 10:55:17 AM

costermonger: Tyrone Slothrop: Simpsons did it.

I have no idea how King creates his characters, but throughout the entire book I couldn't shake the impression that the antagonist was what you'd get if you asked a group of 12 year olds to brainstorm your villain.


That usually haunts King's works--the "bad guy" is usually laughable if it is a "person." He does best with supernatural weirdness. I enjoyed most of The Stand, but Randall Flagg was farking stupid.
 
2013-01-13 10:58:42 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: costermonger: Tyrone Slothrop: Simpsons did it.

I have no idea how King creates his characters, but throughout the entire book I couldn't shake the impression that the antagonist was what you'd get if you asked a group of 12 year olds to brainstorm your villain.

That usually haunts King's works--the "bad guy" is usually laughable if it is a "person." He does best with supernatural weirdness. I enjoyed most of The Stand, but Randall Flagg was farking stupid.



Flagg was fine if you've never seen that silly portrayal of him in the mini-series. That changed him a bit for me.
 
2013-01-13 11:01:38 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: Confabulat: (by "last Dark Tower book" I mean the new one that was recently published last year, not the LAST Dark Tower book, which is certainly a whole nother argument)

I love all the Dark Tower books and have no problem with him including himself in the story, mostly because of how unflattering a picture he paints of himself.


Have you read his "On Writing"? Besides being a damn good little book on process, it also gets into the really heavy drinking period of his life.
 
2013-01-13 11:15:30 AM

Precision Boobery: WORST. ENDING. EVER.

Yes, including The Dark Tower.


Agreed. King has always struggled with endings but if you can overlook that and just enjoy the rest of the novel, it was actually pretty great imo
 
2013-01-13 12:08:46 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Confabulat: (by "last Dark Tower book" I mean the new one that was recently published last year, not the LAST Dark Tower book, which is certainly a whole nother argument)

I love all the Dark Tower books and have no problem with him including himself in the story, mostly because of how unflattering a picture he paints of himself.


I still need to read the newest one, but I really enjoyed the main series. Even the ending. It made a lot of sense to me. Now I need to go back and reread those...

JosephFinn: Have you read his "On Writing"? Besides being a damn good little book on process, it also gets into the really heavy drinking period of his life.


Excellent book about writing.

/hated Under the Dome, mainly because of the ending
 
2013-01-13 12:18:52 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I picked up the book because it was huge and it looked easy to read. I got about 300 pages in and was completely and totally bored. Whoever is the "editor" of Stephen King's stuff really needs to have that guy put on the brakes.


That's funny, I read all his stuff and I'm drawn right in by all the "boring" details and the little anecdotes about the characters, and all that stuff he does. And I don't have the greatest attention span for bad books either. So I guess it's a matter of taste.

And I loved Under the Dome. The idea of the big dome coming down and capturing everyone like that--I guess it's a common enough idea in science fiction and fantasy, the place either cut off or protected by being completely insulated from the outside world, but I still think it's interesting.

Duma Key was a creepy one, too.
 
2013-01-13 12:21:55 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I picked up the book because it was huge and it looked easy to read. I got about 300 pages in and was completely and totally bored. Whoever is the "editor" of Stephen King's stuff really needs to have that guy put on the brakes.


I felt the same way about it and I read everything he writes. But on the other hand I thought 11/22 was great and wanted it longer.
 
2013-01-13 12:48:40 PM

cryinoutloud: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I picked up the book because it was huge and it looked easy to read. I got about 300 pages in and was completely and totally bored. Whoever is the "editor" of Stephen King's stuff really needs to have that guy put on the brakes.

That's funny, I read all his stuff and I'm drawn right in by all the "boring" details and the little anecdotes about the characters, and all that stuff he does. And I don't have the greatest attention span for bad books either. So I guess it's a matter of taste.

And I loved Under the Dome. The idea of the big dome coming down and capturing everyone like that--I guess it's a common enough idea in science fiction and fantasy, the place either cut off or protected by being completely insulated from the outside world, but I still think it's interesting.

Duma Key was a creepy one, too.


Meh, it wasn't even the little "details" that were too bothersome. It was that it was taking FOREVER to build to anything worthwhile. I'm usually pretty impatient with books, too, and if it doesn't interest me in the first quarter of the book, I'm out. I gave Under the Dome a bit more time because everyone was raving about it. When I got to the punk being deputized or something like that, I flipped ahead, saw it was ALIENS AFTER ALL! and bailed.

Folks who say that Stephen King's endings suck, but you have to enjoy the rest of the book, fail. The ending IS the book. Without a good ending, everything else that happens is moot.
 
2013-01-13 01:15:45 PM
You guys keep saying ant-Cheney, but I don't remember him as a gun grabber. Now who does that sound like.....
 
2013-01-13 01:20:27 PM
It's shooting in Wilmington NC, so everything under the done will look like Dawson's Creek, One Tree Hill, Matlock, Revolution, Blue Velvet, ect...
 
2013-01-13 01:21:55 PM
We both see the extraordinary things in ordinary things and people

Okay, I can believe that Stephen King has kept a little closer to realty than Spielberg out on his unicorn ranch, but that phrase has the same dubious feel of the Pope handing out edicts on sexual activity.
 
2013-01-13 01:35:54 PM

Confabulat: (by "last Dark Tower book" I mean the new one that was recently published last year, not the LAST Dark Tower book, which is certainly a whole nother argument)


I thought Wind Through the Keyhole was decent, but I was annoyed that it didn't add anything to the main series and thought the "Roland tells a story about the time he was young and told someone another story" was an obnoxious way to present a story. For some reason, I had it in my mind that there would be a non-comic book telling of the Horn of Jericho storyline (which would've helped some of the flaws in the last 3 Dark Tower books, particularly the ending), so maybe that's why I thought the book was really disappointing.
 
2013-01-13 02:39:13 PM

jaybeezey: You guys keep saying anti-Cheney, but I don't remember him as a gun grabber. Now who does that sound like.....


I've noticed that King doesn't have his characters use or carry guns very much, even when they're in the most horrifying situations ever. I only noticed this because some of the things he writes about trigger my PTSD, to where I'm thinking, "Get a gun, you moron!" but the character never does. I'm always mystified as to how King can understand how to write about terrifying things as well as he does--how it feels and how it affects a person--but still doesn't have everyone running around armed to the teeth. IRL, everybody in his books would have severe PTSD, and would shoot everybody on sight, or they'd be curled up in a corner crying.

His latest book, where the guy needs to kill someone to change history, has a guy who gets a gun. But before he does it, he has this long argument with himself about whether or not he really needs to kill a person to change everything. And he decides that he does. But King's characters don't have a lot of use for guns.
 
2013-01-13 02:57:20 PM
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2013-01-13 03:00:45 PM
Even if you hate Stephen King, you have to like this

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No, I don't know if it's real.
I want to believe.
 
2013-01-13 03:54:37 PM
It was an entertaining read. King didn't quite stick the landing, but I enjoyed it.
 
2013-01-13 03:57:43 PM

Precision Boobery: WORST. ENDING. EVER.

Yes, including The Dark Tower.


Worse then It?
 
2013-01-13 04:22:28 PM
another vote for worst ending ever (yeah worse than dark tower, which seemed stolen from michael moorcock/eternal champion)
 
2013-01-13 04:36:52 PM
If Spielberg felt the same way, wouldn't he have wanted to direct one of the 60+ movies based on a Stephen King work?
 
2013-01-13 04:44:03 PM
I liked the ending...

//Actually, I don't even remember the ending. Thought the book was pretty predictable Stephen King, but quite forgettable.

///Liked the ending of the Dark Tower.

////I thought Tommyknockers was King's low point.
 
2013-01-13 06:19:01 PM
I read Under The Dome and I think I remember liking it. I really tried to read 11/22/63 but just got bored and looked up the ending. After page 500 or so of The Stand, I had to put it away. I know people say The Stand is one of his best works but maybe I just wasn't feeling it at the time. I had nightmares while reading 'Salems Lot and IT but they were great. I especially like his short stories. Some times I think King goes way too much into character development when it really has no bearing on the story. That just my opinion though.

I also would like to see a cable network pick this up. Doing a King story on network tv just screams garbage.
 
2013-01-13 07:00:02 PM

mialynneb: I read Under The Dome and I think I remember liking it. I really tried to read 11/22/63 but just got bored and looked up the ending. After page 500 or so of The Stand, I had to put it away. I know people say The Stand is one of his best works but maybe I just wasn't feeling it at the time. I had nightmares while reading 'Salems Lot and IT but they were great. I especially like his short stories. Some times I think King goes way too much into character development when it really has no bearing on the story. That just my opinion though.

I also would like to see a cable network pick this up. Doing a King story on network tv just screams garbage.


It's a fun book to read when you're home sick with the flu. It definitely drags, but I really enjoy it through the collapse of civilization.
 
2013-01-13 07:26:08 PM

born_yesterday: mialynneb: I read Under The Dome and I think I remember liking it. I really tried to read 11/22/63 but just got bored and looked up the ending. After page 500 or so of The Stand, I had to put it away. I know people say The Stand is one of his best works but maybe I just wasn't feeling it at the time. I had nightmares while reading 'Salems Lot and IT but they were great. I especially like his short stories. Some times I think King goes way too much into character development when it really has no bearing on the story. That just my opinion though.

I also would like to see a cable network pick this up. Doing a King story on network tv just screams garbage.

It's a fun book to read when you're home sick with the flu. It definitely drags, but I really enjoy it through the collapse of civilization.


I was home sick when I told my wife to go pick up a copy of Under the Dome from the thrift shop (it had been out for a few years). Even ill and with not much else to do, I just couldn't keep going.
 
2013-01-13 09:30:18 PM

cryinoutloud: jaybeezey: You guys keep saying anti-Cheney, but I don't remember him as a gun grabber. Now who does that sound like.....

I've noticed that King doesn't have his characters use or carry guns very much, even when they're in the most horrifying situations ever. I only noticed this because some of the things he writes about trigger my PTSD, to where I'm thinking, "Get a gun, you moron!" but the character never does. I'm always mystified as to how King can understand how to write about terrifying things as well as he does--how it feels and how it affects a person--but still doesn't have everyone running around armed to the teeth. IRL, everybody in his books would have severe PTSD, and would shoot everybody on sight, or they'd be curled up in a corner crying.

His latest book, where the guy needs to kill someone to change history, has a guy who gets a gun. But before he does it, he has this long argument with himself about whether or not he really needs to kill a person to change everything. And he decides that he does. But King's characters don't have a lot of use for guns.


Don't forget about Roland, Eddie, and Susannah. They had no problems at all with gunslinging.
 
2013-01-13 11:31:31 PM

cryinoutloud: jaybeezey: You guys keep saying anti-Cheney, but I don't remember him as a gun grabber. Now who does that sound like.....

I've noticed that King doesn't have his characters use or carry guns very much, even when they're in the most horrifying situations ever. I only noticed this because some of the things he writes about trigger my PTSD, to where I'm thinking, "Get a gun, you moron!" but the character never does. I'm always mystified as to how King can understand how to write about terrifying things as well as he does--how it feels and how it affects a person--but still doesn't have everyone running around armed to the teeth. IRL, everybody in his books would have severe PTSD, and would shoot everybody on sight, or they'd be curled up in a corner crying.

His latest book, where the guy needs to kill someone to change history, has a guy who gets a gun. But before he does it, he has this long argument with himself about whether or not he really needs to kill a person to change everything. And he decides that he does. But King's characters don't have a lot of use for guns.


How many situations in King's books would a gun have solved? Hell, the kids tried a gun in IT and it didn't work. Most of the battles fought in King's stories and novels are either mental or supernatural and the protagonists being "armed to the teeth" would either be ineffective or a detriment to their cause. Honestly, I'm not sure what stories you're talking about where you would be thinking "Get a gun, you moron!" as a way for the protagonist to defeat the enemy.
 
2013-01-14 12:22:55 AM

jaybeezey: You guys keep saying ant-Cheney, but I don't remember him as a gun grabber. Now who does that sound like.....


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I was angry about incompetency. Obviously I'm on the left of center. I didn't believe there was justification for going into the war in Iraq. And it just seemed at the time, that in the wake of 9/11, the Bush Administration was like this angry kid walking down the street who couldn't find whoever sucker punched him, and so turned around and punched the first likely suspect. Sometimes the sublimely wrong people can be in power at a time when you really need the right people. I put a lot of that into the book. But when I started I said, "I want to use the Bush-Cheney dynamic for the people who are the leaders of this town." As a result, you have Big Jim Rennie, the villain of the piece. I got to like the other guy, Andy Sanders. He wasn't actively evil, he was just incompetent-which is how I always felt about George W. Bush. I enjoyed taking the Bush-Cheney dynamic and shrinking it to the small-town level. The last administration interested me because of the aura of fundamentalist religion that surrounded it and the rather amazing incompetency of those two top guys. I thought there is something blackly humorous in it. So in a sense, Under the Dome is an apocalyptic version of The Peter Principle.
 
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