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2013-01-13 09:03:03 AM  
Life is different there?
 
2013-01-13 09:04:20 AM  
Oh Jesus. Now that I actually read that... Wow. Yes, keep them all in one place, please. Proceed.
 
2013-01-13 09:27:32 AM  
Glenn Beck is planning the same thing...

Soon the Rand wars will begin.
 
2013-01-13 09:30:26 AM  
My prediction...it descends into anarchy within three years.
 
2013-01-13 09:32:48 AM  
Waco 2.
 
2013-01-13 09:32:52 AM  
Fark that shiat
 
2013-01-13 09:33:56 AM  

Raharu: Waco 2.

 
2013-01-13 09:34:10 AM  
...patriotic community where your children will be educated in school rather than indoctrinated...

Probably won't learn basic math, but you sure will know lots about Jesus and shootin' folks that aren't in your cult.
 
2013-01-13 09:34:21 AM  

Catlenfell: My prediction...it descends into anarchy within three years.


I'd bet closer to 1.
 
2013-01-13 09:35:04 AM  
More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter
 
2013-01-13 09:35:44 AM  

The Briny Derp: Raharu: Waco 2.

 
2013-01-13 09:36:31 AM  
It's like a terrarium of crazy. How fun! They could make themselves truly self-sustaining if they put video cameras everywhere a la The Truman Show and sold it to PPV.
 
2013-01-13 09:37:05 AM  

Raharu: Waco 2.


Nah, Waco had a dirm leadership heirarchy. This doesn't, so it will be torn apart by in fighting within months.
 
2013-01-13 09:38:20 AM  
Besides, half the residents will be undercover cops.
 
2013-01-13 09:38:40 AM  

Raharu: Waco 2.


Let us hope.
 
2013-01-13 09:38:43 AM  
Careful. I hear this is how patriotic blogger patriots get lured into Fartbamao's reeducation camps.

Feel free to forward this information to others.
 
2013-01-13 09:39:33 AM  
I particularly like the arbitration clause at the end wherein the victim signs away all constitutional rights to a gang, err panel.

And surprised they didn't buy the Branch Davidian compound near Crawford.
 
2013-01-13 09:40:26 AM  

Lost Thought 00: More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter


Yeah, right. They will most likely just use their food stamps. And if they get sick they'll use their Medicare/Medicaid. More than 1/2 will pay the "rent" with their Social Security check.
 
2013-01-13 09:40:39 AM  
But seriously, there was a story on fark not long ago, it was red lit, about glen beck doing nearly the same thing, any chance someone can link to it, I want to Compare the two.
 
2013-01-13 09:43:17 AM  
Society...without the society part.
 
2013-01-13 09:44:37 AM  

BitwiseShift: I particularly like the arbitration clause at the end wherein the victim signs away all constitutional rights to a gang, err panel.


Da fark? How does that work exactly?
 
2013-01-13 09:44:55 AM  

Raharu: Waco 2.


Except poured concrete doesn't burn so well......what a shame.
 
2013-01-13 09:47:14 AM  
I pity any children who are dragged there to live by their insane prepper parents. Of course, this thing is still in the "planning" stages, so it's probably nothing more than a scheme to separate scared lunatics from their $33 thanks to the "application fee". Either that, or it's viral marketing for a reality show. The Patriot Agreement is comedy gold. I will be shocked if they actually build this monument to bed wetting.

And from Wikipedia:

The racial makeup of the county was 88.66% White, 0.12% Black or African American, 8.94% Native American, 0.15% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 0.25% from other races, and 1.82% from two or more races. 1.55% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 26.6% were of German, 11.7% English, 9.5% American and 8.6% Irish ancestry according to Census 2000.

I'm sure that had nothing whatsover with the selection of Benewah (balls) County as the location of Berghof II.
 
2013-01-13 09:49:33 AM  

TopNotched: Raharu: Waco 2.

Except poured concrete doesn't burn so well......what a shame.


Get concrete hot enough and it burns just fine. The problem is the amount of energy required to get it started is pretty high.
 
2013-01-13 09:50:01 AM  

Fail in Human Form: BitwiseShift: I particularly like the arbitration clause at the end wherein the victim signs away all constitutional rights to a gang, err panel.

Da fark? How does that work exactly?


Mutual paranoia. If anyone has a real beef, none of this wouldn't stand up in court. Of course, that requires at least 1 party to actually trust the court system.
 
2013-01-13 09:52:05 AM  
Signs you might be an extremist:

1) You are considering a move to a compound in Idaho.
 
2013-01-13 09:52:38 AM  
That's a boatload of fear right there.
 
2013-01-13 09:53:02 AM  

Raharu: But seriously, there was a story on fark not long ago, it was red lit, about glen beck doing nearly the same thing, any chance someone can link to it, I want to Compare the two.


Goes to Mother Jones
 
2013-01-13 09:54:25 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Signs you might be an extremist:

1) You are considering a move to a compound in Idaho.


2) ...

i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-13 09:54:32 AM  
Whats so awesome is all they've done so far is buy some land on a Native American reservation and put up a web site, yet they're already getting pushback and hostility from the already-living-there-not-quite-as-crazy natives of Northern Idaho.

Derpy isolationist nut is kind of a cottage industry up there.

// I have to be in CDA in a few weeks, can't wait to hear all about it.
 
2013-01-13 09:54:51 AM  
The "artist" concepts were fantastic. They better store a lot of non perishables though, not a lot of farm land or are for livestock.
 
2013-01-13 09:55:30 AM  
They will probably have a 20' razorwire fence and armed guards just in case one of their sheep decide to go off campus.....
 
2013-01-13 09:55:35 AM  

Citadel Patriot Agreement

Patriots: The following represents a voluntary set of conditions to which every single Patriot who accepts a residence in the Citadel must agree, in writing. This is a voluntary Agreement. The Citadel is a martial endeavor designed to protect Residents in times of peril (natural or man-made). The Citadel will be built as a fortified bastion of Liberty. The Citadel is not the best housing solution for everyone. Read carefully.

The purpose of this agreement is two-fold. Firstly, it informs all Residents of their obligations to their fellow Patriots. Secondly, this Agreement will assist individuals/families in making an informed decision to opt-out of residency in the Citadel Community in the event our lifestyle is incompatible with you and/or your family.


Preamble: We the People come together in this covenant of our free will and do pledge our Lives, our Fortunes and our Sacred Honor to defend one another and Jefferson's Rightful Liberty, defined as unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. We further affirm our intent to abide all Constitutional laws of the United States of America and our State of residence.

One: Once ratified, this list of conditions may only be altered by unanimous consent of all parties governed by this Agreement, i.e. full-time Residents. Full-time residency will be defined by a select panel of full-time Residents who will also establish guidelines for acceptable exceptions for absences.

Two: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with the rifle of his/her choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 100 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Four: Every able-bodied Patriot of age within the Citadel will maintain one AR15 variant in 5.56mm NATO, at least 5 magazines and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. The responsibility for maintaining functional arms and ammunition levels for every member of the household shall fall to the head of household. Every able-bodied Patriot will be responsible for maintaining a Tactical Go Bag or Muster Kit to satisfy the Minuteman concept. Details TBD and posted elsewhere.

Five: Every household within the Citadel will remain stocked with sufficient food, water, and other preparedness essentials (to be detailed elsewhere) to sustain the needs for every member of the household for a duration of one year.

Six: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older shall pass a class every three years sponsored by the Citadel on basic emergency medical care; the courses shall focus on battlefield and wilderness environments.

Seven: Every child attending Citadel schools - with parental discretion for maturity - shall have as part of every semester's class curriculum basic marksmanship and firearms safety training leading to the proficiency test on the child's 13th birthday as a "Coming of Age" rite of passage (a parent may attend the classes or personally train the child if so desired). Children attending schools beyond the Citadel, or home-schooled, are required to meet the same proficiency standards at age 13.

Eight: All Patriots, who are of age and are not legally restricted from bearing firearms, shall agree to remain armed with a loaded sidearm whenever visiting the Citadel Town Center. Firearm shall be on-the-person and under the control of the Resident, not merely stored in a vehicle.

Nine: Each household will provide ONE able-bodied Patriot (aged 13 or older) who shall muster one Saturday per month for Martial/Support Training for neighborhood-level training & musters, as set forth by the Militia Commanders of the Community. No single Patriot shall be required to muster more than once per quarter. In the course of every calendar year every able-bodied Patriot and every full-time resident in each household must participate in at least three musters (one neighborhood-level and two full-scale). Part-time residents must participate, in good faith, to the best of their ability.

Ten: Twice annually a full-scale Town Defense Drill will be held for all households and all residents (once in winter weather & once in summer weather).

Eleven: The Town Militia will hold an award/recognition ceremony on April 19th each year to celebrate Patriot's Day.

Twelve: Violations of this Agreement will result in review by an arbitration panel consisting of Citadel Residents with appropriate and proportional disciplinary action taken. The most severe disciplinary action may include the loss of Lease and expulsion from the community.

Thirteen: All Citadel Citizens agree to accept dispute resolution by an arbitration panel in the event a problem that cannot be resolved between residents.


Live ink signatures from all adult applicants (age 18 and above) is required prior to final approval for residency in the Citadel Community.




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You are the Chosen Ones. You have been raised up from Brutality to kill the Brutals that multiply and are legion.
To this end, Zardoz, your God, gave you the gift of the gun.
 
2013-01-13 09:56:35 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Uranus Is Huge!: Signs you might be an extremist:

1) You are considering a move to a compound in Idaho.

2) ...

[i50.tinypic.com image 640x480]


The strange thing is, the only reason I know he's single is because the walls are bare and undecorated.
 
2013-01-13 09:57:25 AM  
They will turn it into the exact oppressive society that they constantly claim to protest and fear the government will turn into.
 
2013-01-13 09:57:42 AM  
Its like Bioshock and Waco combined.
"I is Andrew Ryan, and I done is here to ask yous a question."
 
2013-01-13 09:57:50 AM  
It's times like these in which I wish I had no ethics or morals since so much money could be made from these people. Simply bring out some idea that will protect them from the scary liberals and socialist and they will buy it in mass. Plus you know their money is good because it comes from their government checks they fight so hard not to let others have.
 
2013-01-13 09:58:03 AM  
In other words, here's how to make yourself a target in one easy step!
1) Move here!

Plus, sounds like some kind of dirty SOCIALISM to me: FTA: "Approved applicants receive a Lifetime Lease (paid off in only 30 years). No credit check. No background check. Zero down payment. Zero interest. Zero property taxes."

Because real Murikans don't need fire protection!
 
2013-01-13 09:58:35 AM  

starsrift: NewportBarGuy: Uranus Is Huge!: Signs you might be an extremist:

1) You are considering a move to a compound in Idaho.

2) ...

[i50.tinypic.com image 640x480]

The strange thing is, the only reason I know he's single is because the walls are bare and undecorated.


Or his wife's body is in that foot locker.
 
2013-01-13 09:59:12 AM  
The very few less-than-positive responses we've had from folks currently living in Benewah County are interesting, but not unexpected. Every large project encounters pushback, even by people who have much in common with the "new folks". It's human nature.

Folks in Benewah are preppers - so are the folks coming to the Citadel.

Folks in Benewah like Liberty - so do the folks coming to the Citadel.

Folks in Benewah like the country lifestyle, the mountains, the fishing - so do the folks coming to the Citadel.

The folks in the Citadel will essentially live on their own 3,000 acres and won't be trespassing on anyone's private property.

The folks in the Citadel will get their hair cut in Benewah County - I bet the barber's and hair salons will like that.

The folks in the Citadel will need wells - I bet the well companies in Benewah will like that.

The folks in the Citadel will like hunting & fishing - I bet the local Guides will like that.

The folks in the Citadel will need propane, cut wood and fuel oil - I bet those companies will be pleased.

The folks in the Citadel will wear clothes - I bet the dress shops and clothing stores will like that.

The folks in the Citadel will be hiring people - I bet the unemployed in Benewah will like that.

The folks in the Citadel will eat - I bet the diners and livestock ranches will like that.

The new Citadel residents will be opening dozens of new businesses - I bet the local papers and radio stations will love the new ad revenue.

If the average Benewah resident, right now, is a hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman, shooter, prepper, survivalist, you'd think he wouldn't mind having a few thousand more like-minded people nearby who mind their own business, stay on their own property, are good neighbors, yet are willing to cover his back if ever needed. It's not like the folks in the Citadel are California Hippies.

3,000 acres is a tiny sliver of Benewah County, probably will never be seen by a single resident of the county who doesn't come looking for it.

Wal-Mart won't be coming to town. Skyscrapers won't be on the horizon.

The only problem I see is that a few locals feel as if they weren't properly asked for their permission.

We aren't at that stage yet. But the naysayers found out about this new project because they are preppers - and the project is a town of preppers.

Frankly, I don't see the downside for anyone.


The Citadel's Blog.

This got a greenlight a few weeks back and was mocked pretty well.


"The members of the Citadel will need jars to store their own piss. I bet the bell jar salesman in town will like that"
 
2013-01-13 10:00:09 AM  
FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Do you get a great many hurricanes in Idaho?
 
2013-01-13 10:03:41 AM  
In five years the Citadel founders will be sipping daiquiris on a beach in Rio and laughing about the gullibility of the Amrican Patriot.
 
2013-01-13 10:03:53 AM  
You know what's hilarious? I have a gun-nut cousin who has been extremely vocal on Facebook the past couple years about gun rights. Re-posting all the usual, terrible infographics and "fact pictures", linking to every story of local violence he can find and pointing out how it could have been avoided (spoiler alert: guns)...I think there may have even been a few WND links sprinkled here and there.

The other day I suddenly realized I hadn't seen much from him lately, and wondered if I had hidden one too many of his links and Facebook was just black-holing his stuff to me. I get to looking and notice that his profile has been scrubbed of nearly everything, his name has changed slightly, and I'm no longer his friend. Clearly he's deleted his Facebook account and created another one.

Turns out his job at a public university ran out of grant funding for his position and he's looking for a job.
 
2013-01-13 10:04:06 AM  

BitwiseShift: I particularly like the arbitration clause at the end wherein the victim signs away all constitutional rights to a gang, err panel.

And surprised they didn't buy the Branch Davidian compound near Crawford.


'Panel' is somewhat of a misnomer. The Panel is a bicameral organization consisting of a single person upper chamber (called the Master), and a single person lower chamber (called the Blaster).
 
2013-01-13 10:04:18 AM  
"The members of the Citadel will need jars to store their own piss. I bet the bell jar salesman in town will like that"

What else are they going to dunk Effigies of the president into?

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2013-01-13 10:05:08 AM  

Great_Milenko: I pity any children who are dragged there to live by their insane prepper parents. Of course, this thing is still in the "planning" stages, so it's probably nothing more than a scheme to separate scared lunatics from their $33 thanks to the "application fee". Either that, or it's viral marketing for a reality show. The Patriot Agreement is comedy gold. I will be shocked if they actually build this monument to bed wetting.

And from Wikipedia:

The racial makeup of the county was 88.66% White, 0.12% Black or African American, 8.94% Native American, 0.15% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 0.25% from other races, and 1.82% from two or more races. 1.55% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 26.6% were of German, 11.7% English, 9.5% American and 8.6% Irish ancestry according to Census 2000.

I'm sure that had nothing whatsover with the selection of Benewah (balls) County as the location of Berghof II.


Northern Idaho and Eastern Washington have had, shall we say, "weapons-grade derp" for decades.  Google Ruby Ridge, I'm sure you have, neo-nazi HQ up there by Hayden Lake too, and then there was the guy a few weeks ago who took his Constitutionalist views to court over a bicycle traffic citation and ended up on youtube getting tazed.  "I will not form joinder with you!  I am a not a Man, I am a Person!"  -- using some half baked naval law interpretation that 1) since captains are legal authority aboard a ship at sea, you 2) therefore can claim you are the captain of your own "ship" (your Person) and 3) therefore not be subject to any federal laws.

Weapons grade derp is a growth industry in northern idaho and eastern washington.
 
2013-01-13 10:05:39 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Do you get a great many hurricanes in Idaho?


Probably not, but a few might have imaginary friends like scarecrows, lions, tin men, and flying monkeys.
 
2013-01-13 10:07:48 AM  

Raharu: "The members of the Citadel will need jars to store their own piss. I bet the bell jar salesman in town will like that"

What else are they going to dunk Effigies of the president into?

[img854.imageshack.us image 620x306]


Imagine the horrible places that Beck inserts that tiny Obama when the cameras aren't on.
 
2013-01-13 10:07:52 AM  
No credit check. No background check. Zero down payment. Zero interest. Zero property taxes.

How could it fail?
 
2013-01-13 10:09:11 AM  
What's the the deal with that URL. At first, I thought it was the illicitadel.
 
2013-01-13 10:09:41 AM  
the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.
 
2013-01-13 10:09:44 AM  
So, they're planning on taking American currency for 30 years? Hmmmm...kind of seems like they believe in the system or they would want to take it out in gold. Interesting.
 
2013-01-13 10:11:55 AM  
III Arms is also unique in the world of firearms companies in that all profits generated are donated to the Citadel to help build our community.

so, its socialism then?
 
2013-01-13 10:13:06 AM  

jayhawk88: You know what's hilarious? I have a gun-nut cousin who has been extremely vocal on Facebook the past couple years about gun rights. Re-posting all the usual, terrible infographics and "fact pictures", linking to every story of local violence he can find and pointing out how it could have been avoided (spoiler alert: guns)...I think there may have even been a few WND links sprinkled here and there.

The other day I suddenly realized I hadn't seen much from him lately, and wondered if I had hidden one too many of his links and Facebook was just black-holing his stuff to me. I get to looking and notice that his profile has been scrubbed of nearly everything, his name has changed slightly, and I'm no longer his friend. Clearly he's deleted his Facebook account and created another one.

Turns out his job at a public university ran out of grant funding for his position and he's looking for a job.


Obama saw his facebook page and realized what a real American patriot he was. Obama had him fired. Obama is also blocking him from getting another job. Why would Obama do this? Because after awhile your friend is going to get hungry and he'll be forced to shoot up a middle school for lunch money. This is what Obama wants. He wants us all unemployed, starving, and shooting school children for lunch money. It's a fact.
 
2013-01-13 10:13:31 AM  

Nuclear Monk: BitwiseShift: I particularly like the arbitration clause at the end wherein the victim signs away all constitutional rights to a gang, err panel.

And surprised they didn't buy the Branch Davidian compound near Crawford.

'Panel' is somewhat of a misnomer. The Panel is a bicameral organization consisting of a single person upper chamber (called the Master), and a single person lower chamber (called the Blaster).


Pretty sure Tina Turner won't be allowed to run the place though. Too blah.
 
2013-01-13 10:19:28 AM  
 
2013-01-13 10:19:49 AM  
Planned community? HOA meetings with guns? Brilliant!
 
2013-01-13 10:21:19 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Is there room for me?

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I had an acquaintance in LA, a black guy who moved to Idaho. I think his wife's family had property or something there.

He didn't like it very much and they were back within a year.
 
2013-01-13 10:22:32 AM  
iiicitadel.com

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.
 
2013-01-13 10:24:59 AM  
come on down to the citadel if you're too dumb to know that the very ones you look up to own your dumb ass.
 
2013-01-13 10:25:29 AM  
The towers in Spain. The Moslem castles were square, the Christian castles were round Is this a coded jihadist community hiding behind jingoist banter?

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2013-01-13 10:25:50 AM  
HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.
 
2013-01-13 10:26:25 AM  
Looks like 14th century architecture for 10th century minds.
 
2013-01-13 10:26:31 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Uranus Is Huge!: Signs you might be an extremist:

1) You are considering a move to a compound in Idaho.

2) ...

[i50.tinypic.com image 640x480]


too funny. home boy doesn't even know who his real enemies are.
 
2013-01-13 10:27:46 AM  

NobleHam: [iiicitadel.com image 600x800]

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.


It's not being built for real defense. It's for hardcore LARPing. This is the real life equivalent of moving your character to a PVP server.
 
2013-01-13 10:28:05 AM  

Raharu: "The members of the Citadel will need jars to store their own piss. I bet the bell jar salesman in town will like that"

What else are they going to dunk Effigies of the president into?

[img854.imageshack.us image 620x306]



ole' beckhead never spent too much time in a classroom/lab.

Mr. High School graduate.
 
2013-01-13 10:28:21 AM  
From their FAQ:

Private vs. Public

One of the primary reasons for a lease paradigm versus private property inside the walls is our desire to make the community for Patriots only.

The model will be similar in many ways to that of Disneyland. It is walled, gated, private property with controlled access. People pay to enter and agree to the rules because they see value in doing so. It is all based on a voluntary agreement between the owners of the property and those who want to come inside. Millions of people visit Disneyland and interact peacefully. It's exceptionally rare to hear of any serious problems. The key is that those people want to be there and understand what is expected of them. Surprisingly similar to what we are doing.


You guys are nuts. It's going to be just like Disneyland! We just need to go to Derpcott Center to sign our Patriot Agreements!
 
2013-01-13 10:28:35 AM  
Sounds like it will turn out to be the worst home owners association ever. I'll pass.
 
2013-01-13 10:30:15 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.


If they're holed up and getting hit with arty they're boned anyway. You could, in theory, put some tank traps between the inner and outer walls and along the outside walls (kinda doubt they have land mines) but standing your ground against a superior force is foolish to begin with.... should it come to that, which is what they seem to be preparing for with that type of fortification.
 
2013-01-13 10:30:29 AM  
Oh yeah. Very nice tomb you built for yourself.
 
2013-01-13 10:31:04 AM  
Considering how ineffective a wall is at keeping people out you might think it is designed to help keep people in.
 
2013-01-13 10:31:49 AM  

NobleHam: [iiicitadel.com image 600x800]

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.


But there's a reflecting pool!
 
2013-01-13 10:33:06 AM  
2 well placed shells and suddenly everyone is trapped inside. 2 more mortar shells and they lose all utilities. Time will take care of the rest
 
2013-01-13 10:33:16 AM  
I give it a couple years until...

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2013-01-13 10:33:54 AM  
Idaho: It's like a hole nuther country.
 
2013-01-13 10:34:15 AM  
So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.
 
2013-01-13 10:34:31 AM  
The Citadel was on Fark before, but back then, they only had a WordPress blog. Now they've grown into a full website. It brings a tear to my eye to see that. Derp grows up so fast. *sniffle*

But seriously, the entire "Patriot Agreement" (which you have to agree to to apply to live in their castle) is focused on defense, particularly militia training and marksmanship. There's absolutely no information on how people will live with each other. They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.

It leads me to believe they're giving themselves one option to solve disagreements within their community.
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2013-01-13 10:34:35 AM  

Lost Thought 00: 2 well placed shells and suddenly everyone is trapped inside. 2 more mortar shells and they lose all utilities. Time will take care of the rest


Yep. Bypass the hard points and let 'em starve.
 
2013-01-13 10:34:39 AM  

Raharu: Eleven: The Town Militia will hold an award/recognition ceremony on April 19th each year to celebrate Patriot's Day.


That's the day Tim McVeigh "celebrated" the Waco anniversary in Oklahoma City.
 
2013-01-13 10:34:52 AM  
Who would even bother trying to attack this compound? It looks like a voluntary prison to me. I say have at it.
 
2013-01-13 10:36:17 AM  

CADMonkey79: So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.


Until the market ran out of food. Seriously, this has to be a joke. No one is stupid enough to give these people money, are they?
 
2013-01-13 10:36:20 AM  

Granny_Panties: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Do you get a great many hurricanes in Idaho?

Probably not, but a few might have imaginary friends like scarecrows, lions, tin men, and flying monkeys.


What about hurricane Potato?
 
2013-01-13 10:37:47 AM  
Just a few points. Since when was socialism a lifestyle? If you are free, why are there towers inside the compound? finally, "they talk of using a panel to resove disputes: Isn't that, by definition, comunism?
 
2013-01-13 10:38:22 AM  

Teufelaffe: Granny_Panties: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Do you get a great many hurricanes in Idaho?

Probably not, but a few might have imaginary friends like scarecrows, lions, tin men, and flying monkeys.

What about hurricane Potato?


Hurricane Potatoe? The are Hurricane Potatoe!
 
2013-01-13 10:38:34 AM  

CADMonkey79: Nuclear Monk: BitwiseShift: I particularly like the arbitration clause at the end wherein the victim signs away all constitutional rights to a gang, err panel.

And surprised they didn't buy the Branch Davidian compound near Crawford.

'Panel' is somewhat of a misnomer. The Panel is a bicameral organization consisting of a single person upper chamber (called the Master), and a single person lower chamber (called the Blaster).

Pretty sure Tina Turner won't be allowed to run the place though. Too blah.


Alright then, back to the original plan of calling the chambers "Power Top" and "Power Bottom".
 
2013-01-13 10:38:57 AM  
They are...
 
2013-01-13 10:39:31 AM  
Go to your therapist, young man!
 
2013-01-13 10:39:44 AM  

jaytkay: Raharu: Eleven: The Town Militia will hold an award/recognition ceremony on April 19th each year to celebrate Patriot's Day.

That's the day Tim McVeigh "celebrated" the Waco anniversary in Oklahoma City.


I THINK they're celebrating Lexington/Concord. But yeah, it's been a questionable date in the past couple of decades.
 
2013-01-13 10:40:02 AM  
In the unlikely case they actually have the wherewithal to build this thing, it the duty of normal people fark with them relentlessly.

I suggest we send them hundreds of postcards like this:

lh3.googleusercontent.com

lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-01-13 10:41:52 AM  

CADMonkey79: So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.


Shiat, I think you give them too much credit. If that map is accurate, there is one inner and outer gate and no other entrance in or out. A couple of local Sheriff's Deputies could just borrow a snow plow from a nearby town, park it in front of the gate and wait a bit.
 
2013-01-13 10:42:16 AM  

jaytkay: Raharu: Eleven: The Town Militia will hold an award/recognition ceremony on April 19th each year to celebrate Patriot's Day.

That's the day Tim McVeigh "celebrated" the Waco anniversary in Oklahoma City.


This is one of the reasons the gun control debate scares me. You start banning guns again and these type of people go from being crazy on free republic to building bombs in the back of trucks irl.
 
2013-01-13 10:42:29 AM  

NobleHam: [iiicitadel.com image 600x800]

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures...


So much THIS. Looking at that "citadel" I see a fairy-tale castle that couldn't hold off a determined band of cub scouts. So, no actual experience with defensive structures, just "put up walls and towers". Sheesh. lots of chance of undermining, nevermind what artillery would do. Heck, an RPG would do.
 
2013-01-13 10:42:40 AM  
After they get settled, someone should sneak up in the dark and put a lock on the outside of the main gate.......
 
2013-01-13 10:42:49 AM  
www.amctv.com

"Quit stealing my ideas!"
 
2013-01-13 10:43:21 AM  
I love how the word "Patriot" now means "someone who hates the government."

As far as the worship of guns that appears there (a museum of firearms? really? how about a temple of firearms?) I think it may have something to do with the preppers who relish pointing out that in the apocalypse, you don't need to know anything about engineering, farming, medicine, or any kind of technology when you can simply take what you want from unarmed people.
 
2013-01-13 10:43:32 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: CADMonkey79: So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.

Shiat, I think you give them too much credit. If that map is accurate, there is one inner and outer gate and no other entrance in or out. A couple of local Sheriff's Deputies could just borrow a snow plow from a nearby town, park it in front of the gate and wait a bit.


You would have to watch our for snipers though. Lots of places for them to hide in those walls.
 
2013-01-13 10:44:36 AM  
The panhandle of Idaho is renowned for its scenic beauty, notably rugged mountains and rolling hills. It is among one of America's most superbly beautiful landscapes. Whatever the season, you will find numerous recreational activities. Indulge in boating and other forms of water sports. Enjoy world-class fishing on Lake Coeur d'Alene or on many other lakes, rivers, and high-mountain streams. There are trails for hiking, picturesque paths for strolling, as well as places ideal for biking or horseback riding. The Idaho panhandle has also earned a stellar reputation for champion hunting and deluxe skiing!

Yeah, I'm sure their average resident will take advantage of that:

www.neoshoforums.com
 
2013-01-13 10:45:55 AM  
Look, the only way I know how to show how much I love my country is to hole-up in a compound and start stockpiling weaponry. If you disagree with me I will brand you a commie, socialist, nazi.

Because that's how much I love America and her people.
 
2013-01-13 10:45:55 AM  

lj1330: Just a few points. Since when was socialism a lifestyle? If you are free, why are there towers inside the compound? finally, "they talk of using a panel to resove disputes: Isn't that, by definition, comunism?


Close. Communism is a stateless, classless society in which resources are pooled to the people in greatest need.

Using a panel to resolve disputes is just that: using a panel to resolve disputes.
 
2013-01-13 10:46:30 AM  
Idaho, eh? Hope they'll be okay in case the Yellowstone Caldera blows.
 
2013-01-13 10:46:31 AM  

lj1330: Just a few points. Since when was socialism a lifestyle? If you are free, why are there towers inside the compound? finally, "they talk of using a panel to resove disputes: Isn't that, by definition, comunism?


Communism works well for small groups.  Families and church congregations are basically communist. The problems arise when the bolsheviks or nutty dictators show up and don't let you leave.
 
2013-01-13 10:47:36 AM  

born_yesterday: CADMonkey79: So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.

Until the market ran out of food. Seriously, this has to be a joke. No one is stupid enough to give these people money, are they?


I though it was fake at first but apparently not. Yes, there are people that stupid/crazy, swing by free republic.
 
2013-01-13 10:48:11 AM  

NobleHam: [iiicitadel.com image 600x800]

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.


That community's defense are practically impenetrable.  Provided airplanes no longer exist and people forget about mortars, this is the modern equivalent of Helm's Deep.
 
2013-01-13 10:50:55 AM  

Flaming Yawn: I love how the word "Patriot" now means "someone who hates the government."

As far as the worship of guns that appears there (a museum of firearms? really? how about a temple of firearms?) I think it may have something to do with the preppers who relish pointing out that in the apocalypse, you don't need to know anything about engineering, farming, medicine, or any kind of technology when you can simply take what you want from unarmed people.


It's under the museum, and it's not for you to know about. Lots of nude gun-oil rituals, purely expressive of patriotism and not at all homoerotic, but far too beautiful for Outlander eyes to witness.
 
2013-01-13 10:52:29 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Who would even bother trying to attack this compound? It looks like a voluntary prison to me. I say have at it.


Yeah. I live in Spokane. The nearest decent sized town. The pig farkers will show up in my clubs and bars. We had so much fun with the Aryan Nations compound we're sooooo looking forward to this.
 
2013-01-13 10:53:59 AM  
The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

These guys watch doomsday preppers WAY too much
 
2013-01-13 10:54:36 AM  

mrshowrules: NobleHam: [iiicitadel.com image 600x800]

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.

That community's defense are practically impenetrable.  Provided airplanes no longer exist and people forget about mortars, this is the modern equivalent of Helm's Deep.


They will probably build it in a low lying area as well.
 
2013-01-13 10:55:34 AM  
While pretty low on the list of things they may not have thought all the way through, this pretty high on my scale of being easily amused: I wonder which John Parker it is that they've named the central green after. Was it the one who ran for POTUS in 2004 on the Workers World Party ticket? Perhaps it was Abraham Lincoln's bodyguard, who was charged with neglect of duty after a certain visit to the theater? Maybe John J. Parker, an American judge who served at the Nuremberg Trials? Or was it the character from Buckaroo Banzai?
 
2013-01-13 10:56:34 AM  

Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

These guys watch doomsday preppers WAY too much


Pfft. I know where to find a D8. Just seal up the outer gate with a decent sized dirt pile and wait about 3 days. Some roaming bands are more sophisticated than others.
 
2013-01-13 10:59:08 AM  

Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

These guys watch doomsday preppers WAY too much


That seems a little foolish since, if there were a collapse, the government would probably crack down like you wouldn't imagine when they declare martial law. If THAT'S their goal they'd be much better served by flying "under the radar" instead of building a cartoon castle.
 
2013-01-13 11:00:39 AM  
"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man." - Gen. George S. Patton
 
2013-01-13 11:01:14 AM  
Waco 2: Anarchic Bugaboo
 
2013-01-13 11:01:37 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: lj1330: Just a few points. Since when was socialism a lifestyle? If you are free, why are there towers inside the compound? finally, "they talk of using a panel to resove disputes: Isn't that, by definition, comunism?

Close. Communism is a stateless, classless society in which resources are pooled to the people in greatest need.

Using a panel to resolve disputes is just that: using a panel to resolve disputes.


See also: Directory, French Revolution.
"Directory, group of five men who held the executive power in France according to the constitution of the year III (1795) of the French Revolution."
 
xcv
2013-01-13 11:01:44 AM  
HOUSING DETAILS: All homes will be built of poured concrete for exceptional strength and durability. Your home will be built to your specs (details available at this website) with utilities stubbed to the interior. You select the facade for the exterior of your home. You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice.

They make militia wingnuts manage to sound really, really fabulously queer.
 
2013-01-13 11:02:41 AM  
i.imgur.com

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.
 
2013-01-13 11:03:10 AM  
Derptopia?
 
2013-01-13 11:03:46 AM  
It's not Waco II unless there is a messianic kid diddler at the root of the whole fiasco.
 
2013-01-13 11:04:00 AM  
Well, there's this John Parker

The father of a teen suspected of murder and following neo-nazi literature
 
xcv
2013-01-13 11:04:20 AM  
And sidewalks are a relic of socalism. They must have procured offroad rascals.
 
2013-01-13 11:06:15 AM  
I wonder what that would actually cost to build. Say 100 millionish?
 
2013-01-13 11:06:22 AM  

Fail in Human Form: "Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man." - Gen. George S. Patton


Especially with advancements in modern warfare. Awful nice of them to concentrate themselves into a single target though.
 
2013-01-13 11:06:31 AM  
"Stand your ground; don't fire unless fired upon; but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." -- Captain John Parker, Lexington Militia, 9th April 1775

We may have a winner.
 
2013-01-13 11:08:05 AM  

Whiskey Pete: Derptopia?


Uderpia?
 
2013-01-13 11:08:42 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

This statue known as The Lexington Minuteman was originally meant to represent the common Minuteman, but has now become accepted as Captain John Parker. It is by Henry Hudson Kitson and it stands at the town green of Lexington, Massachusetts. It is not actually based on Parker's appearance, as no known likenesses of him survive today.
 
2013-01-13 11:09:14 AM  
*facepalm*

I enjoy shooting (both recreationally and competitively) as much as the next guy and I'm concerned about government overreach (e.g. PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention, and TSA body scanners to name but a few) but this is absurd and really makes me wonder about the sanity of some people.

I mean, couldn't they save a bit of money and resources by simply living where they currently are and writing a letter to their Congressman to express their displeasure with how certain things are going and to propose suggestions as to how they think things might be improved? That's what normal people do.

Doc Lee: Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.


Hah. Nice. Took me a sec. :)
 
2013-01-13 11:10:18 AM  
So, larpers playing out revolutionary war fantasies in northern idaho.  Which would be cool if the enemy were armed with muskets instead of, say, drones and RPG.
 
2013-01-13 11:11:31 AM  

Generation_D: "Stand your ground; don't fire unless fired upon; but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." -- Captain John Parker, Lexington Militia, 9th April 1775

We may have a winner.


I'm sure you're right. I was just having some fun with the ambiguity of the name.
 
2013-01-13 11:12:08 AM  

Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding keeping the family lines pure.

 
2013-01-13 11:12:21 AM  
I approve of this.

I would like to see these people self-deport from society and live in a camp...all concentrated together.
 
2013-01-13 11:12:25 AM  

heypete: *facepalm*

I enjoy shooting (both recreationally and competitively) as much as the next guy and I'm concerned about government overreach (e.g. PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention, and TSA body scanners to name but a few) but this is absurd and really makes me wonder about the sanity of some people.


I don't care what they build, they could build Cinderella's Castle for all I care, I just don't understand the usefulness in practical terms. If they really wanted to do this, why not build a low profile community and a series of safe/store houses and bunkers scattered throughout the area to run to if the SHTF?
 
2013-01-13 11:12:29 AM  

Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.


If that doesn't scream freedom I don't know what does.
 
2013-01-13 11:14:55 AM  

badhatharry: Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.

If that doesn't scream freedom I don't know what does.


Just conducting business that the free market demands. Problem with that?
 
2013-01-13 11:14:59 AM  
Will there be a dress code?

/Looks like they're going all medieval up in there.
 
2013-01-13 11:15:09 AM  

Fail in Human Form: heypete: *facepalm*

I enjoy shooting (both recreationally and competitively) as much as the next guy and I'm concerned about government overreach (e.g. PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention, and TSA body scanners to name but a few) but this is absurd and really makes me wonder about the sanity of some people.

I don't care what they build, they could build Cinderella's Castle for all I care, I just don't understand the usefulness in practical terms. If they really wanted to do this, why not build a low profile community and a series of safe/store houses and bunkers scattered throughout the area to run to if the SHTF?


Because that wouldnt have the self inflicted victimhood slash defiant "stand your ground" nonsense that they're willing to spout instead.  Or wouldn't scam people out of their entry fee, take your pick.
 
2013-01-13 11:15:40 AM  

Doc Lee: badhatharry: Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.

If that doesn't scream freedom I don't know what does.

Just conducting business that the free market demands. Problem with that?


Buying and selling each other's women, right?
 
2013-01-13 11:16:36 AM  

Fail in Human Form: I wonder what that would actually cost to build. Say 100 millionish?


I count roughly 200 structures plus, an amphitheater and two layers of fortified walls.  $100M might cover the landscaping.  I'd add a zero.
 
2013-01-13 11:16:50 AM  

Generation_D: Or wouldn't scam people out of their entry fee, take your pick.


I think you hit the nail on the head. The gates on this place should have "caveat emptor" over the front gates.
 
2013-01-13 11:16:58 AM  

Fail in Human Form: heypete: *facepalm*

I enjoy shooting (both recreationally and competitively) as much as the next guy and I'm concerned about government overreach (e.g. PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention, and TSA body scanners to name but a few) but this is absurd and really makes me wonder about the sanity of some people.

I don't care what they build, they could build Cinderella's Castle for all I care, I just don't understand the usefulness in practical terms. If they really wanted to do this, why not build a low profile community and a series of safe/store houses and bunkers scattered throughout the area to run to if the SHTF?


And actually, this IS what "normal" survivalists and most LDS church members already have up in rural idaho/utah.  Every LDS is expected to save up for the coming apocalypse, and many do.  Which means if STHF ever really, just head for the nearest mormons house.
 
2013-01-13 11:17:49 AM  

mrshowrules: Fail in Human Form: I wonder what that would actually cost to build. Say 100 millionish?

I count roughly 200 structures plus, an amphitheater and two layers of fortified walls.  $100M might cover the landscaping.  I'd add a zero.


I figured this place would never get past the design phase, if that's accurate it's over before it begins lol.
 
2013-01-13 11:18:53 AM  
In the Zombie Apocalypse I would rather live there than in a prison.
 
2013-01-13 11:19:26 AM  

heypete: *facepalm*

I enjoy shooting (both recreationally and competitively) as much as the next guy and I'm concerned about government overreach (e.g. PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention, and TSA body scanners to name but a few) but this is absurd and really makes me wonder about the sanity of some people.

I mean, couldn't they save a bit of money and resources by simply living where they currently are and writing a letter to their Congressman to express their displeasure with how certain things are going and to propose suggestions as to how they think things might be improved? That's what normal people do.

Doc Lee: Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.

Hah. Nice. Took me a sec. :)


This is a small minority of scared people. If all the people that believe in freedom hole up in Idaho, we're pretty much farked.
 
2013-01-13 11:20:17 AM  

Doc Lee: badhatharry: Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.

If that doesn't scream freedom I don't know what does.

Just conducting business that the free market demands. Problem with that?


Aren't "libertarians" supposed to want decisions like that left to the individuals?  Why not make a buck, too?

Of course, if you're truly a rugged DYI individualist, coat hangers are cheap and plentiful.
 
2013-01-13 11:20:33 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: The Citadel was on Fark before, but back then, they only had a WordPress blog. Now they've grown into a full website. It brings a tear to my eye to see that. Derp grows up so fast. *sniffle*

But seriously, the entire "Patriot Agreement" (which you have to agree to to apply to live in their castle) is focused on defense, particularly militia training and marksmanship. There's absolutely no information on how people will live with each other. They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.

It leads me to believe they're giving themselves one option to solve disagreements within their community.
[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]


That's why there is an amphitheater.
 
2013-01-13 11:20:54 AM  

Elfich: TopNotched: Raharu: Waco 2.

Except poured concrete doesn't burn so well......what a shame.

Get concrete hot enough and it burns just fine. The problem is the amount of energy required to get it started is pretty high.


Why would you want to eliminate the walls? The walls can be used to keep them in! What fun is a WP bombardment if people can escape?
 
2013-01-13 11:21:38 AM  

BizarreMan: In the Zombie Apocalypse I would rather live there than in a prison.


In a "zombie apocalypse" I always hope my alarm clock goes off to wake me up before I get eaten.
 
2013-01-13 11:23:24 AM  

Generation_D: "Stand your ground; don't fire unless fired upon; but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." -- Captain John Parker, Lexington Militia, 9th April 1775

We may have a winner.


April 19, not 9. So yeah, it's this guy. Bonus: Parker's company weren't minutemen, they were members of the main body of the Massachusetts Militia.
 
2013-01-13 11:23:59 AM  
They make numerous mentions of the importance of locating in "The American Redoubt". That term was invented by hyper-Randian so-called Christian survivalists.
 
2013-01-13 11:24:07 AM  
And you thought your HOA was bad.
 
2013-01-13 11:24:30 AM  
Things I miss about North Idaho:

1. The spectacular natural beauty

2. Hudson's Hamburgers

Things I don't miss about North Idaho:

1. Everything else
 
2013-01-13 11:24:43 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Sock Ruh Tease: The Citadel was on Fark before, but back then, they only had a WordPress blog. Now they've grown into a full website. It brings a tear to my eye to see that. Derp grows up so fast. *sniffle*

But seriously, the entire "Patriot Agreement" (which you have to agree to to apply to live in their castle) is focused on defense, particularly militia training and marksmanship. There's absolutely no information on how people will live with each other. They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.

It leads me to believe they're giving themselves one option to solve disagreements within their community.
[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]

That's why there is an amphitheater.


Dammit, Cletus, that's my pa's Hoveround!

T'aint, neither, Obadiah, it's my sister-daughter's!

To the ring, boys!!

josefbrandenburg.com
 
2013-01-13 11:27:04 AM  

Generation_D: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x364]

This statue known as The Lexington Minuteman was originally meant to represent the common Minuteman, but has now become accepted as Captain John Parker. It is by Henry Hudson Kitson and it stands at the town green of Lexington, Massachusetts. It is not actually based on Parker's appearance, as no known likenesses of him survive today.


Yeah, their FAQ confirms this.

John Parker was the original III Patriot when he took to the Green in Lexington on April 19, 1775 to stand against tyranny.Many modern III Patriots believe that defending the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and restoring the ideals of these Founding Documents to prominence in America, is our sacred duty.
 
2013-01-13 11:28:42 AM  
Then Obama can troll them with hourly surveillance drones, every so many passes drop an M-80 or two into the compound for shiats and giggles.........Where the fark are these people gonna work?
 
2013-01-13 11:30:20 AM  
I've said it before... the Republican idea of utopia is standing atop the rampart of your mansion-fortress, gun in one hand and dick in the other, jerking off as you watch the rest of society starve to death outside.
 
2013-01-13 11:30:21 AM  

TopNotched: Then Obama can troll them with hourly surveillance drones, every so many passes drop an M-80 or two into the compound for shiats and giggles.........Where the fark are these people gonna work?


There's a "weapons manufacturer" area. So I'm guessing that and farming/trade?
 
2013-01-13 11:31:57 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.


Yeah, a M1 could easily just ram through their walls. There's a reason why the Maginot line was outdated before it was even built.

They really have a hard on for their guns, jeez. I bet they want the "patriots" to buy their AR style weapon from the "ARMS Factory".

Talk about fleecing the rubes. Damn, wish I would have thought of this.
 
2013-01-13 11:31:59 AM  

TopNotched: Then Obama can troll them with hourly surveillance drones, every so many passes drop an M-80 or two into the compound for shiats and giggles.........Where the fark are these people gonna work?

What About Employment for the Residents?

There will be some initial jobs with III Arms Company offered. Those employees will need locally provided goods and services, creating some additional opportunities.

Other businesses will be developed either by the Citadel or by individual Patriots as families move to the Citadel and entrepreneurial opportunities arise. We want to attract people who will provide local goods and services as well as those that have or will create markets outside of the Citadel. Businesses with markets outside of the Citadel will be vital to creating a robust local economy. Of special interest will be businesses that promote local self-sufficiency as part of our goal to be able to survive an economic collapse.

For more information, see our blog page: Entrepreneurs and Businesses

 
2013-01-13 11:33:06 AM  

TopNotched: Then Obama can troll them with hourly surveillance drones, every so many passes drop an M-80 or two into the compound for shiats and giggles.........Where the fark are these people gonna work?


The Meth Compound?
 
2013-01-13 11:36:10 AM  
So...it's a commune?
 
2013-01-13 11:39:54 AM  

CADMonkey79: The "artist" concepts were fantastic. They better store a lot of non perishables though, not a lot of farm land or are for livestock.


I read your comment as " the con artist..."
 
2013-01-13 11:40:57 AM  

CADMonkey79: So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.


Or just use a Daisy Cutter or two.
 
2013-01-13 11:43:19 AM  

Great_Milenko: Of course, this thing is still in the "planning" stages, so it's probably nothing more than a scheme to separate scared lunatics from their $33 thanks to the "application fee". Either that, or it's viral marketing for a reality show.


It's run by a firearms company to give it redneck cred.
 
2013-01-13 11:43:59 AM  

TopNotched: Then Obama can troll them with hourly surveillance drones, every so many passes drop an M-80 or two into the compound for shiats and giggles.........Where the fark are these people gonna work?


One of the funniest things I've read on here in quite some time. I love the M80 idea..
 
2013-01-13 11:44:45 AM  
I wonder if they'll be making ARs in their arms center to things like This
 
2013-01-13 11:45:20 AM  
They should hire Mittens to manage the project and he could ask the feds for another Olympic bailout....
 
2013-01-13 11:45:22 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: TopNotched: Then Obama can troll them with hourly surveillance drones, every so many passes drop an M-80 or two into the compound for shiats and giggles.........Where the fark are these people gonna work?

The Meth Compound?


www.timesnews.net

The volunteer fire department and medical clinic will also have ample opportunities.
 
2013-01-13 11:45:56 AM  
I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.

You select the facade for the exterior of your home. You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish.

No.
 
2013-01-13 11:47:00 AM  
No churches? Farking heathens.
 
2013-01-13 11:48:00 AM  

Fail in Human Form: I wonder if they'll be making ARs in their arms center to things like This


That is one of the funniest comedy vids I've seen on YouTube.
 
2013-01-13 11:48:51 AM  

derpy: Fail in Human Form: I wonder if they'll be making ARs in their arms center to things like This

That is one of the funniest comedy vids I've seen on YouTube.


I love the FPSRussia channel. Cool weapons and funny to boot. =)
 
2013-01-13 11:49:45 AM  
A Randian Paradise
 
2013-01-13 11:51:09 AM  

Fail in Human Form: "Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man." - Gen. George S. Patton


Kind of are. Though Hezbollah did a pretty good job with them a few years back. Made some that could withstand anything the Israelis threw at them, even had air conditioning. Something tells me these Derpatriots aren't nearly as resourceful or dedicated as Hezbollah though.
 
2013-01-13 11:51:58 AM  

Fail in Human Form: derpy: Fail in Human Form: I wonder if they'll be making ARs in their arms center to things like This

That is one of the funniest comedy vids I've seen on YouTube.

I love the FPSRussia channel. Cool weapons and funny to boot. =)


Producer of FPSRussia was murdered the other day.
 
2013-01-13 11:52:01 AM  
After a cup of coffee, it occurs to me that this is nothing more than a company town for a gun factory. If so, their HR department is comprised of some genius trolls.
 
2013-01-13 11:53:03 AM  

CADMonkey79: So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.


A couple days with an entire tank division? They wouldn't last a few days against a revolutionary war division, let alone a modern one.

A single drone and twenty minutes is probably overkill.
 
2013-01-13 11:53:05 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: After a cup of coffee, it occurs to me that this is nothing more than a company town for a gun factory. If so, their HR department is comprised of some genius trolls.


Good Point
 
2013-01-13 11:54:59 AM  

Doc Lee: Fail in Human Form: derpy: Fail in Human Form: I wonder if they'll be making ARs in their arms center to things like This

That is one of the funniest comedy vids I've seen on YouTube.

I love the FPSRussia channel. Cool weapons and funny to boot. =)

Producer of FPSRussia was murdered the other day.


So I heard, in a professional style hit no less. Bound to a chair, nothing stolen, shot in the head.
 
2013-01-13 11:54:59 AM  

Fail in Human Form: Generation_D: Or wouldn't scam people out of their entry fee, take your pick.

I think you hit the nail on the head. The gates on this place should have "caveat emptor" over the front gates.


I vote "arbeit macht frei."
 
2013-01-13 11:55:33 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: After a cup of coffee, it occurs to me that this is nothing more than a company town for a gun factory. If so, their HR department is comprised of some genius trolls.


Ya build sixteen guns
What do you get?
 
2013-01-13 11:56:33 AM  

Raharu: A Randian Paradise


David Queresh would be proud.
 
2013-01-13 11:57:08 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Uranus Is Huge!: After a cup of coffee, it occurs to me that this is nothing more than a company town for a gun factory. If so, their HR department is comprised of some genius trolls.

Ya build sixteen guns
What do you get?


Another day older and deeper in derp?
 
2013-01-13 11:59:07 AM  

trotsky: Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.

Yeah, a M1 could easily just ram through their walls. There's a reason why the Maginot line was outdated before it was even built.

They really have a hard on for their guns, jeez. I bet they want the "patriots" to buy their AR style weapon from the "ARMS Factory".

Talk about fleecing the rubes. Damn, wish I would have thought of this.


Except the Maginot Line wasnt outdated. Its exact purpose was to make the entire Franco-German border so dangerous and costly to cross that any potential invasion would HAVE to go through Belgium. Which is exactly what happened. That the French and BEF failed spectacularly to stop the ONE avenue of invasion that they themselves forced into existence is not the ML's fault.


If you surround every window and door of your house with pitbulls and barbwire except for one, and you STILL get robbed from that one opening, its not the pitbulls fault.
 
2013-01-13 12:00:01 PM  

CADMonkey79: Fail in Human Form: "Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man." - Gen. George S. Patton

Especially with advancements in modern warfare. Awful nice of them to concentrate themselves into a single target though.


I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends rather than a concerted attack by some military force. The walls are to keep people without heavy weapons out, and keep people from taking pot shots into the interior of the compound. At least that's my guess. I don't think anyone seriously thinks they can make some kind of field fortification that keeps the US armed forces from nuking them from space.

/Also it tends to be the ATF/FBI involved in these sorts of things with American civilians and they're not armed quite so heavily as the Army.
 
2013-01-13 12:01:35 PM  

Raharu: Waco 2.


Naw. We have drones, now.
 
2013-01-13 12:01:51 PM  
Hopefully it will be entirely taken up by gun-nut black gay couples.

What a twist, when the "Leaders" discover they've set themselves up in the middle of a man's-man retreat.
 
2013-01-13 12:02:08 PM  

LectertheChef: Fail in Human Form: Generation_D: Or wouldn't scam people out of their entry fee, take your pick.

I think you hit the nail on the head. The gates on this place should have "caveat emptor" over the front gates.

I vote "arbeit macht frei."


"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
 
2013-01-13 12:03:48 PM  
I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.
 
2013-01-13 12:05:40 PM  

Raharu: Citadel Patriot Agreement


1. Sure are lots of musts and shalls in there for a "voluntary" agreement

2. How much ya wanna bet one of the principals is looking to make a little money reselling ammo to his subjects?
 
2013-01-13 12:06:12 PM  
"Water/Power" is in the first defensive area after one breaches the main gate. Good thinking.
 
2013-01-13 12:06:29 PM  
so this is a gated community for gun nuts? I give it 8 months before it turns into a Stephen King-ish debacle. (The Dome with concrete walls instead of an alien bell jar).
 
2013-01-13 12:07:36 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: /Also it tends to be the ATF/FBI involved in these sorts of things with American civilians and they're not armed quite so heavily as the Army.


No, they just have the army there as trainers then the ATF uses the equipment. Ask the people of Waco.
 
2013-01-13 12:07:43 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Doc Lee: Fail in Human Form: derpy: Fail in Human Form: I wonder if they'll be making ARs in their arms center to things like This

That is one of the funniest comedy vids I've seen on YouTube.

I love the FPSRussia channel. Cool weapons and funny to boot. =)

Producer of FPSRussia was murdered the other day.

So I heard, in a professional style hit no less. Bound to a chair, nothing stolen, shot in the head.


Chickens, roost
 
2013-01-13 12:10:11 PM  
Wait, so it's funded by a firearms manufacturing collective, whose profits entirely going to the upkeep of the community?

Isn't that exactly what these people despise?
 
2013-01-13 12:10:30 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Doc Lee: Fail in Human Form: derpy: Fail in Human Form: I wonder if they'll be making ARs in their arms center to things like This

That is one of the funniest comedy vids I've seen on YouTube.

I love the FPSRussia channel. Cool weapons and funny to boot. =)

Producer of FPSRussia was murdered the other day.

So I heard, in a professional style hit no less. Bound to a chair, nothing stolen, shot in the head.


Small potatoes for a government capable of pulling off 9/11.
 
2013-01-13 12:10:45 PM  

Generation_D: I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.


Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.
That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?
 
2013-01-13 12:12:55 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Generation_D: I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.

Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.
That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?


Probably the super-mutants

/My money's on the super-mutants
 
2013-01-13 12:13:25 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7532764/81859523#c81859523" target="_blank">Doktor_Zhivago</a>:</b> <i>Generation_D: I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.

Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.
That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?</i>

I like it. But, .12 mm ammo?
 
2013-01-13 12:14:32 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Generation_D: I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.

Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.
That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?


Just keep in mind, those of us who are eaten first will only serve to nourish the super-mutants and make them stronger.
 
2013-01-13 12:16:44 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Doktor_Zhivago: Generation_D: I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.

Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.
That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?

Probably the super-mutants

/My money's on the super-mutants


REVERSE VAMPIRES!
 
2013-01-13 12:16:46 PM  

qorkfiend: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7532764/81859523#c81859523" target="_blank">Doktor_Zhivago</a>:</b> <i>Generation_D: I think its designed more to protect them from the vast hordes of starving city folk who trusted the government and now have nothing once the world ends

Which is STILL likely to favor the zombie horde. 20000 vs 200. Remember the Citadel.

Yeah right. Only if you have a bunch of crappy pansy non-expert marksmen.
That's why i sent my $33. You fark libtards might laugh at me now. But when the shiat goes down I'll be the one surrounded by marine core ranger snipers with ak-15 .12 mm caliber rifles defending liberty and fighting zombie n0bama's injustice while you communist sacks of unpatriotic shiat will be eating the last remnants of canned spam from the blasted remains of what used to be a walmart while running from packs of wild dogs and super-mutants that emerged from radioactive bunkers beneath the earth. Who'll be laughing then?</i>

I like it. But, .12 mm ammo?


Pshh, obviously some kind of librul gun hating pussy. If you knew anything about real guns you'd know all about .12mm ammo. Its the only thing that will stop a supermutant cold.
 
2013-01-13 12:16:49 PM  
Thanks for putting me on a few lists, subbhole!
 
2013-01-13 12:18:58 PM  

thamike: Thanks for putting me on a few lists, subbhole!


You get used to it. Just keep donuts around for when they drop by to chat lol
 
2013-01-13 12:30:36 PM  
How are they going to be self-sufficient when they have zero resources?
 
2013-01-13 12:32:45 PM  
I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy... until eventually my descendents have liberty to study guns and paranoia.

- John Adams
 
2013-01-13 12:32:58 PM  
I sense a TLC reality show in the making...
 
2013-01-13 12:35:54 PM  
Ever notice how conservative love to hide behind big walls and guns. Probably so they can hide from reality and science. What a freaking bunch of cowards.
 
2013-01-13 12:39:21 PM  
So will this liberty-based neighborhood have any freedom-crushing rules on number of wives a guy can have?

/just wonderin'
 
2013-01-13 12:47:59 PM  

dave2198: I sense a TLC reality show in the making...


Here Comes Crazy Dumb Dumb?
 
2013-01-13 12:49:43 PM  
Well it is in Idaho, our nation's crazy wildmen preserve.
 
2013-01-13 12:50:47 PM  
a fortress, in idaho?

why?
 
2013-01-13 12:51:57 PM  
A community using ICF? Nice.

HotIgneous Intruder: Because real Murikans don't need fire protection!


Well if they use ICF then any fire in a housing unit would typically stay in it. I'm assuming since they're big on the minuteman concept a fire alarm would summon all the locals to act as volunteer firemen. The only issue would be equipment. I assume that would be bought through charity sale events like the BSA and other organizations do.

Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.


It seems like it's not designed to keep the gov't out. More to keep control of people getting in. Most everyone doesn't have access to artillery. So I'm thinking they're going for a transient crime free community. Sorta like west of here in Slidell where most of the auto theft crime is caused by people coming into the city from outside of it.


Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.


This.
 
2013-01-13 12:52:26 PM  

loonatic112358: a fortress, in idaho?

why?


Everyone knows that the terrorist's ultimate target is Idaho. After all, they hate our potatoes.
 
2013-01-13 12:54:49 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: loonatic112358: a fortress, in idaho?

why?

Everyone knows that the terrorist's ultimate target is Idaho. After all, they hate our potatoes.


They're going to french fry in hell
 
2013-01-13 12:55:36 PM  
You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice.

OMG, guys, I think you are being too hard on these people. Just look at this--I can buy a house and decorate the inside of it any way I want! Have you ever heard of such freedom?
 
2013-01-13 12:55:40 PM  
So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

2.bp.blogspot.com


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.


Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.
 
2013-01-13 12:55:52 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Raharu: Waco 2.

Nah, Waco had a dirm leadership heirarchy. This doesn't, so it will be torn apart by in fighting within months.



But it's "No credit check. No background check. Zero down payment. Zero interest. Zero property taxes."

What could possibly go wrong?


LIBERTY!!!!
 
2013-01-13 12:57:04 PM  

mrmyxolodian: So...it's a commune?




That's the greatest irony of it all
 
2013-01-13 01:01:21 PM  
i78.photobucket.com

"...... it's the only way to be sure."
 
2013-01-13 01:01:39 PM  

Mrbogey: A community using ICF? Nice.

HotIgneous Intruder: Because real Murikans don't need fire protection!

Well if they use ICF then any fire in a housing unit would typically stay in it. I'm assuming since they're big on the minuteman concept a fire alarm would summon all the locals to act as volunteer firemen. The only issue would be equipment. I assume that would be bought through charity sale events like the BSA and other organizations do.

Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.

It seems like it's not designed to keep the gov't out. More to keep control of people getting in. Most everyone doesn't have access to artillery. So I'm thinking they're going for a transient crime free community. Sorta like west of here in Slidell where most of the auto theft crime is caused by people coming into the city from outside of it.


Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

This.


formaementis.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-13 01:03:27 PM  
Eleven: The Town Militia will hold an award/recognition ceremony on April 19th each year to celebrate Patriot's Day.

April 19? WTF happened on April 19 worth commemorating?

Let's see what Wikipedia says.

1985 - FBI siege on the compound of The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSAL) in Arkansas

Oh.

1993 - The 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian building outside Waco, Texas, USA, ends when a fire breaks out. Eighty-one people die.

Oh.

1995 - Oklahoma City bombing: The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA, is bombed, killing 168.

Ohhhhhhhh.

So, basically, party day for the Aryan Nation/Michigan Militia crowd.

This operation seems as legit as a windowless van hawking free candy. Assuming it's not yet another cheap scam perpetrated on highly irrational, xenophobic war fetishists, this place will implode in six months to a year over an arbitration matter, probably related to trash disposal and extramarital relations. Funny thing about being unable to trust people - makes it damned hard to organize an operating society.
 
2013-01-13 01:05:41 PM  
...and that shows how much/little I know about US history, now that I've read the rest of the thread. I think my point stands, given the subsequent history.
 
2013-01-13 01:06:45 PM  

Generation_D: So, larpers playing out revolutionary war fantasies in northern idaho.  Which would be cool if the enemy were armed with muskets instead of, say, drones and RPG.


No, even during the revolution star fortresses were the mode of the time to prevent cannon damage.  if that map is correct they are LARPing sometime before gunpowder.
 
2013-01-13 01:13:29 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.


Yeah, they've got a whole new idea for a firearm that they're banking on.

25.media.tumblr.com

Flaming Yawn: I love how the word "Patriot" now means "someone who hates the government."
As far as the worship of guns that appears there (a museum of firearms? really? how about a temple of firearms?) I think it may have something to do with the preppers who relish pointing out that in the apocalypse, you don't need to know anything about engineering, farming, medicine, or any kind of technology when you can simply take what you want from unarmed people.


Kind of weird how the same idea keeps coming out of people like this--how they're entitled to live outside the laws of society, and take what they "need." Pretty boring life philosophy, when you think about it. Selfish dicks and criminals have had that idea since the beginning of time.
 
2013-01-13 01:15:03 PM  
Raharu: Full-time residency will be defined by a select panel of full-time Residents

Does not compute.
 
2013-01-13 01:20:05 PM  

Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

These guys watch doomsday preppers WAY too much


Neither of which will happen.

It'd be a lot quicker and easier to gather all your valuables, put them in a big, heavy-duty safe, then take it on a boat and toss it overboard into the Mariana Trench.

Fools and their money...
 
2013-01-13 01:20:35 PM  

dumbobruni: the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.


There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.
 
2013-01-13 01:23:45 PM  

President Raygun: dumbobruni: the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.

There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.


Same thing happened to the Freemen complex back home in MT. Issuing your own coin seems to be the fasttrack way to have a standoff with federal authorities.
 
2013-01-13 01:25:36 PM  

Raharu: Two: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with the rifle of his/her choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 100 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.



0-media-cdn.foolz.us

"A man sized steel target does not hit back."

/better not be obscure around here.
 
2013-01-13 01:25:47 PM  
There's an old military axiom that seems appropriate here:

Make it impossible for the enemy to get in, and you can't get out.

Just sayin'.
 
2013-01-13 01:27:04 PM  

President Raygun: There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.


I hope it was this one:

mike.files.wordpress.com

Slut's clearly asking for it.
 
2013-01-13 01:28:05 PM  

Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x537]


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.


I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.
 
2013-01-13 01:30:05 PM  

President Raygun: dumbobruni: the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.

There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.


www.pkmeco.com You think there's actually a statue, don't you?
 
2013-01-13 01:30:18 PM  

cbuhler: TopNotched: Then Obama can troll them with hourly surveillance drones, every so many passes drop an M-80 or two into the compound for shiats and giggles.........Where the fark are these people gonna work?

One of the funniest things I've read on here in quite some time. I love the M80 idea..


Extra bonus points: On one or two trips, swap out the M-80 for a vial of suspicious white powder. Because I don't see much of a hospital on that proposed map.
 
2013-01-13 01:31:11 PM  

Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.


Where's the synagogue?
 
2013-01-13 01:40:32 PM  

qorkfiend: Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x537]


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.

I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.




Wait they do? Company scrip? Really?!
 
2013-01-13 01:41:04 PM  
If this all comes to fruition, it will prove to be an interesting Animal Farm-like experiment. They think they're forming a Patriot Utopia, but human nature always wins. Their society will begin to tear at the seams and they won't have the leadership or infrastructure in place to repair it.

I look forward to seeing it, although as always in these situations, I feel sorry for the children involved.
 
2013-01-13 01:48:44 PM  

Raharu: qorkfiend: Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x537]


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.

I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.

Wait they do? Company scrip? Really?!


There's something in there about minting gold and silver "Citadel Coins".
 
2013-01-13 01:48:45 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: President Raygun: dumbobruni: the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.

There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.

You think there's actually a statue, don't you?


You forget one little "t" and all hell breaks loose.
 
2013-01-13 01:48:59 PM  

tjassen: "A man sized steel target does not hit back."

/better not be obscure around here.



tjassen: "A man sized steel target does not hit back."

/better not be obscure around here.


Pfff... Monosodium Glutamate
 
2013-01-13 01:52:07 PM  

Generation_D: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x364]

This statue known as The Lexington Minuteman was originally meant to represent the common Minuteman, but has now become accepted as Captain John Parker. It is by Henry Hudson Kitson and it stands at the town green of Lexington, Massachusetts. It is not actually based on Parker's appearance, as no known likenesses of him survive today.


As someone who grew up in Lexington, I'm getting a kick, etc. etc.

/Saw more Japanese tourists taking pictures of that statue than anyone else.
 
2013-01-13 01:58:43 PM  

President Raygun: Lionel Mandrake: President Raygun: dumbobruni: the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.

There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.

You think there's actually a statue, don't you?

You forget one little "t" and all hell breaks loose.


HA!  I typed "statute" at first, but caught in preview.
 
2013-01-13 02:02:14 PM  

cryinoutloud: You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice.

OMG, guys, I think you are being too hard on these people. Just look at this--I can buy a house and decorate the inside of it any way I want! Have you ever heard of such freedom?


www.hangthebankers.com

"Don't get all gung-ho breaching the second unit.  There is absolutely no feng shui goin on in that place.  It's an affront on all the senses, really."
 
2013-01-13 02:03:00 PM  

qorkfiend: Raharu: qorkfiend: Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x537]


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.

I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.

Wait they do? Company scrip? Really?!

There's something in there about minting gold and silver "Citadel Coins".


If the world ends and humanity is reduced to roaming bands of nomadic wastelanders eking out a pathetic existence from the rubble of what was once civilization, what is the use of money? Even if it is in gold and silver coins? I mean without some sort of functional production based economy money is pretty much useless and barter is far more useful for people even in the confines of a 'prepper' apocalypse bunker equivalent. I mean I assume they would pretty much close down the compound to the outside world in the event of a catastrophe so who the hell is gonna need any gold?

"Oh hey thanks for that .12mm caliber ammo you made in the factory here's a gold coin"
"But I can't eat gold and the grocery store has been closed due to supermutant infestation since the end of the world"
"OK here's a $20 bill"
"That's a useless waste of space since the world has ended. What about some food or medical supplies or something useful instead?"
"Uh... here's a silver coin with a picture of Thomas Jefferson."
 
2013-01-13 02:04:17 PM  
Well. This looks entirely safe and not at all like it's going to seriously warp the children.

/I'd be fine with them doing whatever the hell they want, but they spend a lot of that 'Patriot's Pledge' focused on teaching kids to shoot. Which would be fine if they weren't doing it because they REALLY REALLY FEEL THE NEED to let the kids know SOMEONE WILL TRY TO KILL THEM, AND PROBABLY THE GUBMINT. That is not healthy.
//Seriously, can the FBI just work out a 'you guys calm down the crazy with the kids and we won't come after your asses'-type deal with them? Sounds like the best solution for everyone. Let them get bored and walk away on their own.
 
2013-01-13 02:04:35 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: qorkfiend: Raharu: qorkfiend: Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x537]


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.

I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.

Wait they do? Company scrip? Really?!

There's something in there about minting gold and silver "Citadel Coins".

If the world ends and humanity is reduced to roaming bands of nomadic wastelanders eking out a pathetic existence from the rubble of what was once civilization, what is the use of money? Even if it is in gold and silver coins? I mean without some sort of functional production based economy money is pretty much useless and barter is far more useful for people even in the confines of a 'prepper' apocalypse bunker equivalent. I mean I assume they would pretty much close down the compound to the outside world in the event of a catastrophe so who the hell is gonna need any gold?

"Oh hey thanks for that .12mm caliber ammo you made in the factory here's a gold coin"
"But I can't eat gold and the grocery store has been closed due to supermutant infestation since the end of the world"
"OK here's a $20 bill"
"That's a ...

 
2013-01-13 02:04:52 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: From their FAQ:

Private vs. Public

One of the primary reasons for a lease paradigm versus private property inside the walls is our desire to make the community for Patriots only.

The model will be similar in many ways to that of Disneyland. It is walled, gated, private property with controlled access. People pay to enter and agree to the rules because they see value in doing so. It is all based on a voluntary agreement between the owners of the property and those who want to come inside. Millions of people visit Disneyland and interact peacefully. It's exceptionally rare to hear of any serious problems. The key is that those people want to be there and understand what is expected of them. Surprisingly similar to what we are doing.

You guys are nuts. It's going to be just like Disneyland! We just need to go to Derpcott Center to sign our Patriot Agreements!


It's farking Snow Crash is what it is.
 
2013-01-13 02:05:23 PM  
not sure why it ate the link

Look up "The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse" on amazon

/From a person who lived it
//Get gold rings
 
2013-01-13 02:07:50 PM  
Who is the Leader?

There is no person who can claim the title, "Leader" of the Citadel, nor will there be.



Oops, I meant to ask who gets the money?
 
2013-01-13 02:08:23 PM  

Fail in Human Form: not sure why it ate the link

Look up "The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse" on amazon

/From a person who lived it
//Get gold rings


I was thinking more of an apocalyptic event that ended western civilization, not so much a localized economic collapse though gold would probably be very useful in such an event.
 
2013-01-13 02:18:37 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.

If they're holed up and getting hit with arty they're boned anyway. You could, in theory, put some tank traps between the inner and outer walls and along the outside walls (kinda doubt they have land mines) but standing your ground against a superior force is foolish to begin with.... should it come to that, which is what they seem to be preparing for with that type of fortification.


Supposedly, they're preparing for a collapse of civilization, not attempting to withstand military or government forces.

http://iiicitadel.com/faq.html#defend
 
2013-01-13 02:19:03 PM  
So, no property tax, no interest on the loan/lease, no recycling police (is that really an issue anywhere?), no farmland, a demand that everyone stores at least a year's worth of a food/supplies (but many of the housing sizes would never be able to accommodate that), and they will be off the grid (does that include trash, too?)...

This place is going to look like the slums of Brazil or India within 5 years at full occupancy...
 
2013-01-13 02:22:38 PM  
It's too late in the thread, but here's something about that.
The Long Con
 
2013-01-13 02:26:29 PM  

Urbn: So, no property tax, no interest on the loan/lease, no recycling police (is that really an issue anywhere?), no farmland, a demand that everyone stores at least a year's worth of a food/supplies (but many of the housing sizes would never be able to accommodate that), and they will be off the grid (does that include trash, too?)...

This place is going to look like the slums of Brazil or India within 5 months at full occupancy...


And that's assuming they last that long before getting harsh lesson in the importance of sanitation systems when a lot of people live in close proximity.
 
2013-01-13 02:27:15 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.


Are you kidding? Even Alexander the Great could make short work of this "fortification." There is literally ZERO tactical planning put into its design.
 
2013-01-13 02:34:44 PM  
It'll be fun when this place goes all Waco when the Feds come in to remind them they as long as they're on American land, they're still subject to their laws.
 
2013-01-13 02:41:58 PM  

Urbn: no recycling police (is that really an issue anywhere?)

 
2013-01-13 02:41:59 PM  

Target Builder: Urbn: So, no property tax, no interest on the loan/lease, no recycling police (is that really an issue anywhere?), no farmland, a demand that everyone stores at least a year's worth of a food/supplies (but many of the housing sizes would never be able to accommodate that), and they will be off the grid (does that include trash, too?)...

This place is going to look like the slums of Brazil or India within 5 months at full occupancy...

And that's assuming they last that long before getting harsh lesson in the importance of sanitation systems when a lot of people live in close proximity.


If the Citadel actually happens, I think the producers of one of those hoarders shows will be able to make an entire season out of it
 
2013-01-13 02:45:32 PM  

Target Builder: Urbn: So, no property tax, no interest on the loan/lease, no recycling police (is that really an issue anywhere?), no farmland, a demand that everyone stores at least a year's worth of a food/supplies (but many of the housing sizes would never be able to accommodate that), and they will be off the grid (does that include trash, too?)...

This place is going to look like the slums of Brazil or India within 5 months at full occupancy...

And that's assuming they last that long before getting harsh lesson in the importance of sanitation systems when a lot of people live in close proximity.


Yeah, regular cholera and typhoid outbreaks will keep opening up housing for new, company town "tenants"
 
2013-01-13 02:46:13 PM  
Jonestown 2: Electric Boogaloo?
 
2013-01-13 02:50:59 PM  

Great_Milenko: The Patriot Agreement is comedy gold.

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.


So, this is what they consider "proficient" with a handgun. A stationary target, from 25 yds, the size of a human, and you need to hit it 70% of the time. Heh.
 
2013-01-13 02:52:15 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Great_Milenko: The Patriot Agreement is comedy gold.

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

So, this is what they consider "proficient" with a handgun. A stationary target, from 25 yds, the size of a human, and you need to hit it 70% of the time. Heh.


If they did actual combat drills it would be a ghost town
 
2013-01-13 02:59:14 PM  

Mrbogey: A community using ICF? Nice.

HotIgneous Intruder: Because real Murikans don't need fire protection!

Well if they use ICF then any fire in a housing unit would typically stay in it. I'm assuming since they're big on the minuteman concept a fire alarm would summon all the locals to act as volunteer firemen. The only issue would be equipment. I assume that would be bought through charity sale events like the BSA and other organizations do.

Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.

It seems like it's not designed to keep the gov't out. More to keep control of people getting in. Most everyone doesn't have access to artillery. So I'm thinking they're going for a transient crime free community. Sorta like west of here in Slidell where most of the auto theft crime is caused by people coming into the city from outside of it.


Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

This.


They could use someone tough like you.
 
2013-01-13 03:02:04 PM  
Way too many people here care way too much about how others decide to live their lives.
 
2013-01-13 03:03:40 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Great_Milenko: The Patriot Agreement is comedy gold.

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

So, this is what they consider "proficient" with a handgun. A stationary target, from 25 yds, the size of a human, and you need to hit it 70% of the time. Heh.

If they did actual combat drills it would be a ghost town


But many lulz will be had in the process.
 
2013-01-13 03:03:42 PM  

Euell Gibbons: Way too many people here care way too much about how others decide to live their lives.


Luckily for me, nobody here cares about the way I decide to live my life because I didn't set up an entire website to advertise it.
 
2013-01-13 03:04:40 PM  

NobleHam: [iiicitadel.com image 600x800]

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.


That looks more like a prison/work campIMEAN HAPPY CAMPS, than anything else.
 
2013-01-13 03:08:55 PM  

Euell Gibbons: Way too many people here care way too much about how others decide to live their lives.


If consenting adults want to check themselves into a company town/slave labor camp/indentured servitude, let them...but there's a lot of talk about children on that site and that's where it turns decidedly uncool. How's that for 'liberty' being forced to shoot at human shaped things all through your childhood before you're an adult and can choose this for yourself? Or being 'educated' by barely functioning paranoids?
 
2013-01-13 03:11:05 PM  

badhatharry: Mrbogey: A community using ICF? Nice.

HotIgneous Intruder: Because real Murikans don't need fire protection!

Well if they use ICF then any fire in a housing unit would typically stay in it. I'm assuming since they're big on the minuteman concept a fire alarm would summon all the locals to act as volunteer firemen. The only issue would be equipment. I assume that would be bought through charity sale events like the BSA and other organizations do.

Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.

It seems like it's not designed to keep the gov't out. More to keep control of people getting in. Most everyone doesn't have access to artillery. So I'm thinking they're going for a transient crime free community. Sorta like west of here in Slidell where most of the auto theft crime is caused by people coming into the city from outside of it.


Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

This.

[formaementis.files.wordpress.com image 800x532]


Let me guess... Mexico?
 
2013-01-13 03:34:11 PM  

kertus: Let me guess... Mexico?


The image is named braziliam-slum-in-sao-paulo.jpg

I'm not sure who Braziliam is, though.
 
2013-01-13 03:36:47 PM  

thamike: kertus: Let me guess... Mexico?

The image is named braziliam-slum-in-sao-paulo.jpg

I'm not sure who Braziliam is, though.


What those Citadel Patriots don't realize, of course, is that they aren't going to be on the tennis court side of that wall...
 
2013-01-13 03:38:57 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Uranus Is Huge!: Signs you might be an extremist:

1) You are considering a move to a compound in Idaho.

2) ...

[i50.tinypic.com image 640x480]


Jeez, it looks like he's fisting that weapon and doesn't have the decency to make eye contact.
 
2013-01-13 03:44:17 PM  

Lost Thought 00: More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter


Nah. They'll have their emergency seed kits to last until they forget to rotate crops for a few years. And enough wild game to last one season until they over-harvest because they just like shooting stuff.

The comment about the recycling police made me wonder what their plan is for garbage removal. Burn it or bury it I guess.
The thing about modern cities is that we take for granted garbage service, sewers, and water treatment. These people will likely suffer from every disease you could die from in Oregon Trail.
 
2013-01-13 03:46:05 PM  

El Dudereno: Lost Thought 00: More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter

Nah. They'll have their emergency seed kits to last until they forget to rotate crops for a few years. And enough wild game to last one season until they over-harvest because they just like shooting stuff.

The comment about the recycling police made me wonder what their plan is for garbage removal. Burn it or bury it I guess.
The thing about modern cities is that we take for granted garbage service, sewers, and water treatment. These people will likely suffer from every disease you could die from in Oregon Trail.


You have died of dysentery the freedom poos.
 
2013-01-13 03:46:24 PM  

El Dudereno: Lost Thought 00: More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter

Nah. They'll have their emergency seed kits to last until they forget to rotate crops for a few years. And enough wild game to last one season until they over-harvest because they just like shooting stuff.

The comment about the recycling police made me wonder what their plan is for garbage removal. Burn it or bury it I guess.
The thing about modern cities is that we take for granted garbage service, sewers, and water treatment. These people will likely suffer from every disease you could die from in Oregon Trail.


Diptheria was my favorite!

/Also, those seed kits are pretty useless without farmland to plant them in.
 
2013-01-13 03:51:45 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Jeez, it looks like he's fisting that weapon and doesn't have the decency to make eye contact.


Making eye contact while fisting is just plain creepy.  Well, unless you're screaming in German.
 
2013-01-13 03:51:58 PM  

El Dudereno: Lost Thought 00: More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter

Nah. They'll have their emergency seed kits to last until they forget to rotate crops for a few years. And enough wild game to last one season until they over-harvest because they just like shooting stuff.

The comment about the recycling police made me wonder what their plan is for garbage removal. Burn it or bury it I guess.
The thing about modern cities is that we take for granted garbage service, sewers, and water treatment. These people will likely suffer from every disease you could die from in Oregon Trail.


While this bills itself as a walled off city, it will most certainly be more akin to a neighborhood/town. I imagine waste disposal and sewage will be treated like in any suburban development.

Here's the nifty things from a utility perspective. Since it's a planned community, they can set sewage, water, and telecom lines in a planned matter so it'll be cheaper to maintain and provide better service. With the right telecom planning they could all end up with faster internet than 90% of America.
 
2013-01-13 03:52:50 PM  
One of the things I don't like about myself is the hope that a massive earthquake destroys this place and they get to discover how effective their 30 caliber penis substitutes are to deal with a natural disaster. You need clean water, you say? Just shoot holes in the ground, Jesus and Jefferson will guide you.
 
2013-01-13 04:09:02 PM  
It has a post office. I thought they hated the government? Why would they avail themselves of government services? If they're so bootstrappy, why not start their own Pony Express or something? No mooching off my tax dollars! *harumph*
 
2013-01-13 04:10:25 PM  
I'm betting that if it came down to it, the local SCA could take them out.
 
2013-01-13 04:12:26 PM  
Ok so I want to open a gay bar just outside the compound. I expect to clean up.
 
2013-01-13 04:18:29 PM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: President Raygun: There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.

I hope it was this one:

Slut's clearly asking for it.


That's a fine piggy bank.
 
2013-01-13 04:24:49 PM  
No credit or background checks, a lifetime lease, free guns, in a fortress in the middle of nowhere. Anyone else see "Meth Lab World" developing here? Maybe get one of those 10,000ft homes inside the walls with 1 acre. Grow pot in the back yard (just say it's hemp for rope...), cook meth in the 10 x 30 workshop and live the, erm, high-life in your 10,000 ft home inside the fort. If anyone asks what you're doing in your workshop, just calmly "Preserving Liberty" and reach for your AR15.

When the feds show up, just close the gate and wait for the black helicopters.
 
2013-01-13 04:25:01 PM  

El Dudereno: Lost Thought 00: More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter

Nah. They'll have their emergency seed kits to last until they forget to rotate crops for a few years. And enough wild game to last one season until they over-harvest because they just like shooting stuff.

The comment about the recycling police made me wonder what their plan is for garbage removal. Burn it or bury it I guess.
The thing about modern cities is that we take for granted garbage service, sewers, and water treatment. These people will likely suffer from every disease you could die from in Oregon Trail.


Actually, it seems like the bigger issue may be transportation. All traffic is forced to the perimeter road. Though you have the option of going left or right from any point to arrive at any other it will cause traffic jams near popular areas such as the gate. Parking near the commercial areas would be problematic.

That assumes that it's as popular as intended.
 
2013-01-13 04:25:53 PM  

Mrbogey: Here's the nifty things from a utility perspective. Since it's a planned community, they can set sewage, water, and telecom lines in a planned matter so it'll be cheaper to maintain and provide better service. With the right telecom planning they could all end up with faster internet than 90% of America.


Yes I'm sure companies will be lining up to do business with some nutjobs in a walled compound.
 
2013-01-13 04:27:37 PM  

Mrbogey: El Dudereno: Lost Thought 00: More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter

Nah. They'll have their emergency seed kits to last until they forget to rotate crops for a few years. And enough wild game to last one season until they over-harvest because they just like shooting stuff.

The comment about the recycling police made me wonder what their plan is for garbage removal. Burn it or bury it I guess.
The thing about modern cities is that we take for granted garbage service, sewers, and water treatment. These people will likely suffer from every disease you could die from in Oregon Trail.

While this bills itself as a walled off city, it will most certainly be more akin to a neighborhood/town. I imagine waste disposal and sewage will be treated like in any suburban development.

Here's the nifty things from a utility perspective. Since it's a planned community, they can set sewage, water, and telecom lines in a planned matter so it'll be cheaper to maintain and provide better service. With the right telecom planning they could all end up with faster internet than 90% of America.


A faster way to update their geocities websites and post pictures of themselves in banana hammocks next to their arsenals. Great.
 
2013-01-13 04:27:48 PM  
Wait, so they have a huge space for a gun factory to produce weapons they expect to become illegal...who will they be selling the guns to? Themselves?
 
2013-01-13 04:29:44 PM  

Mrbogey: El Dudereno: Lost Thought 00: More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter

Nah. They'll have their emergency seed kits to last until they forget to rotate crops for a few years. And enough wild game to last one season until they over-harvest because they just like shooting stuff.

The comment about the recycling police made me wonder what their plan is for garbage removal. Burn it or bury it I guess.
The thing about modern cities is that we take for granted garbage service, sewers, and water treatment. These people will likely suffer from every disease you could die from in Oregon Trail.

While this bills itself as a walled off city, it will most certainly be more akin to a neighborhood/town. I imagine waste disposal and sewage will be treated like in any suburban development.

Here's the nifty things from a utility perspective. Since it's a planned community, they can set sewage, water, and telecom lines in a planned matter so it'll be cheaper to maintain and provide better service. With the right telecom planning they could all end up with faster internet than 90% of America.


They can do a lot of things--smart things, thoughtful things, forward-thinking things. You know who usually avoids smart, thoughtful, forward-thinking approaches to modern life? The target audience for places like III Citadel. Do you really think they'd BRAG about "no recycling police," phrasing it in exactly that stupid way, but have a modern, efficient, well-planned and comprehensive waste management system in place? The answer...is no.

My 8th grade social studies class did a project on creating a planned community once. That thing had more thought and expertise put into it than III Citadel appears to.

/We had geothermal power!
 
2013-01-13 04:40:28 PM  

LoneWolf343: Wait, so they have a huge space for a gun factory to produce weapons they expect to become illegal...who will they be selling the guns to? Themselves?


This is just one of a planned trade network* of walled nutbowls. Each will specialize in producing one needed good: guns, ammo, flags, patriotic hats, inchoate rage, and so forth. When America That Was descends into fiery chaos due to slightly better-regulated healthcare, these bright stars will form the new American constellation.

* Nutwork?
 
2013-01-13 04:42:18 PM  

Teufelaffe: Granny_Panties: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: FTFA: Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes - such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina - or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.

Do you get a great many hurricanes in Idaho?

Probably not, but a few might have imaginary friends like scarecrows, lions, tin men, and flying monkeys.

What about hurricane Potato?


Masterpiece.
 
2013-01-13 04:55:20 PM  

regindyn: Jonestown 2: Electric Boogaloo Whackadoo?


FTFYoo
 
2013-01-13 04:57:31 PM  

Raharu: Twelve: Violations of this Agreement will result in review by an arbitration panel consisting of Citadel Residents with appropriate and proportional disciplinary action taken. The most severe disciplinary action may include the loss of Lease and expulsion from the community.

Thirteen: All Citadel Citizens agree to accept dispute resolution by an arbitration panel in the event a problem that cannot be resolved between residents.


Those will be the sort of people who are fundamentally incapable of cooperation in any way. I foresee much violence in the community.
 
2013-01-13 04:59:26 PM  

NeverDrunk23: They will turn it into the exact oppressive society that they constantly claim to protest and fear the government will turn into.


So:
1) a bunch of these nutters voluntarily remove themselves from the rest of society
2) they serve as an example to some people that are considering this sort of idea, changing some minds in the process
3) delicious irony shall be feasted upon by the rest of us... and we'll share with each other... cuz we's teh soshulizts....

I'm okay with this
 
2013-01-13 05:08:39 PM  

Mrbogey: El Dudereno: Lost Thought 00: More than likely they will forget how to feed themselves, and then throw a hissy fit when the nearest megamart does accept barter

Nah. They'll have their emergency seed kits to last until they forget to rotate crops for a few years. And enough wild game to last one season until they over-harvest because they just like shooting stuff.

The comment about the recycling police made me wonder what their plan is for garbage removal. Burn it or bury it I guess.
The thing about modern cities is that we take for granted garbage service, sewers, and water treatment. These people will likely suffer from every disease you could die from in Oregon Trail.

While this bills itself as a walled off city, it will most certainly be more akin to a neighborhood/town. I imagine waste disposal and sewage will be treated like in any suburban development.

Here's the nifty things from a utility perspective. Since it's a planned community, they can set sewage, water, and telecom lines in a planned matter so it'll be cheaper to maintain and provide better service. With the right telecom planning they could all end up with faster internet than 90% of America.


They didn't even plan for enough farmland to feed even a small fraction of these families; I sincerely doubt they've planned anything nifty for any other practicality. They put more thought into what age someone should be able to shoot headshots at 70% than they did anything around the day to day logistics of this community.
 
2013-01-13 05:19:49 PM  

LoneWolf343: Wait, so they have a huge space for a gun factory to produce weapons they expect to become illegal...who will they be selling the guns to? Themselves?


Well, their "patriot's credo" or whatever specifies that everyone has to have an AR-15-style weapon, so I'm guessing yes.
 
2013-01-13 05:25:31 PM  

buckler: LoneWolf343: Wait, so they have a huge space for a gun factory to produce weapons they expect to become illegal...who will they be selling the guns to? Themselves?

Well, their "patriot's credo" or whatever specifies that everyone has to have an AR-15-style weapon, so I'm guessing yes.


Something something mandates to buy things from private companies...
 
2013-01-13 05:44:12 PM  

loonatic112358: a fortress, in idaho?

why?


It's like livin' in your own Private Idaho.

/underground like a wild potato
 
2013-01-13 05:45:50 PM  
I hope they all shoot each other before the year is out. Those type of people suffer from too many chiefs and not enough Indians, as the old saying goes.
 
2013-01-13 05:55:20 PM  
So somebody watched the Colbert Report the other night and decided to submit this place's website?
 
2013-01-13 06:03:39 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Oh Jesus. Now that I actually read that... Wow. Yes, keep them all in one place, please. Proceed.


This is the new exploitable opportunity. This isn't the only "planned community" gearing up to become a bizarre little entrenched settlement, and the asking price to get in something like this is very steep.

Just follow the money, and see where it goes.
 
2013-01-13 06:14:39 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: So:
1) a bunch of these nutters voluntarily remove themselves from the rest of society
2) they serve as an example to some people that are considering this sort of idea, changing some minds in the process
3) delicious irony shall be feasted upon by the rest of us... and we'll share with each other... cuz we's teh soshulizts....

I'm okay with this


I just feel sorry for the collateral damage they'd do; family members, children they'd take out with them, delivery men or police they'd kill for daring show up at their fortress of derpitude, etc.
 
2013-01-13 06:16:19 PM  

FormlessOne: NewportBarGuy: Oh Jesus. Now that I actually read that... Wow. Yes, keep them all in one place, please. Proceed.

This is the new exploitable opportunity. This isn't the only "planned community" gearing up to become a bizarre little entrenched settlement, and the asking price to get in something like this is very steep.

Just follow the money, and see where it goes.


Easy; the firearm manufacturer who came up with this whole idea, who coincidentally has a firearms factory in a town where the residents are required to own firearms. I'm sure they'll get a sizable amount from selling their concrete corporate houses that the residents get to pay to finish, as well. Oh, and the money laundering with those fancy "Citadel Coins".
 
2013-01-13 06:25:27 PM  
Thank you patriots.
As your President, Barack O'Bama, I commend you in starting the first Fema Re-education Camp.
The second one being Glenn Becks in Texas.
We all strive to educate the ignorant, in order to further move the United States towards harmony.
 
2013-01-13 06:31:48 PM  
Ok, so let's play what if and assume this actually works. What about the factory? That's a shiat location for a working factory. Though it's not the only reason, transportation is a big reason that manufacturing has moved out of the cities and to places close to an Interstate on-ramp.

Even small factories generate a lot of truck traffic: In-coming material, machinery shipments, tooling, chemicals, supplies, even stuff like paper towels for the bathrooms. Every one of those things comes from a different company and on a separate truck.

Winding trucks in and out of multiple gates and through the walled compound will slow down traffic, and probably cause traffic problems at the choke points. Plus putting it in BFE Idaho - where I assume it will be far from established industrial supply and support companies - will make costs higher.

And that doesn't included shipping finished goods. Usually, those parts are FOB at the factory, which means the wholesalers and distributors have to pay the shipping costs. If you're a gun wholesaler, buying from S&W or Browning would probably be a lot easier and cheaper.

It may be patrioty, but it's shiat planning for efficient manufacturing. But I guess if your employees are going to volunteer to pay to living in company housing, the costs even out?
 
2013-01-13 06:50:24 PM  

Kibbler: One of the things I don't like about myself is the hope that a massive earthquake destroys this place and they get to discover how effective their 30 caliber penis substitutes are to deal with a natural disaster. You need clean water, you say? Just shoot holes in the ground, Jesus and Jefferson will guide you.


Just shoot people who have clean water and take it.
 
2013-01-13 06:52:52 PM  
Except for that whole "likes America" thing, I don't see why liberals would not be in full support of this. It sounds pretty much like something they would come up with except for, as I say "likes America" thing.
 
2013-01-13 06:59:31 PM  

randomjsa: Except for that whole "likes America" thing, I don't see why liberals would not be in full support of this. It sounds pretty much like something they would come up with except for, as I say "likes America" thing.


Are you ever not a total tool when you post?
 
2013-01-13 07:10:31 PM  
What is the Citadel?
The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of Idaho who believe in Jefferson's Rightful Liberty and have chosen to live amongst one another, who have sworn their Lives, their Fortunes and their Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty.


OHHHHHH shiat.
 
2013-01-13 07:38:05 PM  

Subtle_Canary: trotsky


Ha, you're right. I meant Eben-Emael, the Belgium fort that the Fallschamjager used gliders to attack. The Maginot was actually pretty strong, that's why they attacked through the Ardennes.

This is a stupid, hilarious idea that I would love to see implemented. Essentially what they're doing is building a company town. I bet later on they'll issue script to use in the company store instead of actual money. I love LOLibertarians who think shiat like this will work. Maybe they'll appoint RON PAUL President after the SHTF, right? I bet they are also looking into Bitcoins as a replacement for dirty fiat American money backed by Fartbongo El Islamic Shock.

You know, idiot trolls always say stupid shiat about Liberals. Most liberals I know that go to extremes like communes and living as enviro friendly as possible. Many of them are easily laughed at because they take it to far (see Portlandia for reference), but they're ultimately harmless with the collective good in mind. Crazy but with the best intentions. Conservatives always do shiat like this when they take it to the extreme, guns, guns, guns, slavery, er, sorry, freedom, RON PAUL, guns, beef jerky, and LOLibertarian beliefs that just encourage people to shoot each other as order and civility break down. Like the Wild West but way less civilized.

I wonder if they'll allow the morons to marry their ARs? They have such a sexual fetish with ARs that I assume you can legally marry one.
 
2013-01-13 07:39:37 PM  
So when rats begin to thrive in their garbage and sewage infested fortress will the government deal with the sure to result plague by sealing the gates and letting the problem work itself out or simply nuke it ala Quarantine?
 
2013-01-13 07:40:26 PM  

randomjsa: Except for that whole "likes America" thing, I don't see why liberals would not be in full support of this. It sounds pretty much like something they would come up with except for, as I say "likes America" thing.


So you're saying that the only difference between liberals and conservatives is how much they like America?
 
2013-01-13 07:50:33 PM  

Lochsteppe: LoneWolf343: Wait, so they have a huge space for a gun factory to produce weapons they expect to become illegal...who will they be selling the guns to? Themselves?

This is just one of a planned trade network* of walled nutbowls. Each will specialize in producing one needed good: guns, ammo, flags, patriotic hats, inchoate rage, and so forth. When America That Was descends into fiery chaos due to slightly better-regulated healthcare, these bright stars will form the new American constellation.

* Nutwork?


How is that not the communism they so claim to hate?
 
2013-01-13 07:51:41 PM  

LoneWolf343: Lochsteppe: LoneWolf343: Wait, so they have a huge space for a gun factory to produce weapons they expect to become illegal...who will they be selling the guns to? Themselves?

This is just one of a planned trade network* of walled nutbowls. Each will specialize in producing one needed good: guns, ammo, flags, patriotic hats, inchoate rage, and so forth. When America That Was descends into fiery chaos due to slightly better-regulated healthcare, these bright stars will form the new American constellation.

* Nutwork?

How is that not the communism they so claim to hate?


Because it's VOLUNTARY. And based on the 2nd AMENDMENT.

*fires gun up into the air*
 
2013-01-13 08:02:11 PM  
I remember the Fark article about this place a few weeks ago. It's good to see they're not giving up yet, it promises to be entertaining.

From the FAQ:
----------------
What Threats Do You Expect to Defend Against?

The Citadel is primarily designed to defend against a grid-down, economic collapse scenario. When most people ask this question they are thinking in terms of defending against violent action but there are other aspects to defending ourselves. Self-sufficiency in terms of food, water and energy are also a form of defense against a collapse scenario, so these are a major part of our plan.

The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.

-----------

This is pretty funny when you consider they have blog posts for stuff like this:
their blog

Part of their planning is finding a location for services and goods that they can't and won't be providing themselves. Naturally, this specific search is for a nursing home.
Also, apparently URLs might want to attack them.
 
2013-01-13 08:02:30 PM  
Holdit holdit holdit....the power station is *right next* to the power plant....soooo...if you get your power station ganked, you are likely to lose water, too.

Oh, we are dealing with cunning minds, here....
 
2013-01-13 08:04:53 PM  

whidbey: What is the Citadel?
The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of Idaho who believe in Jefferson's Rightful Liberty and have chosen to live amongst one another, who have sworn their Lives, their Fortunes and their Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty.

OHHHHHH shiat.


Nah. It's just an old-school company town, repackaged as a Freedom Center.
 
2013-01-13 08:07:29 PM  

qorkfiend: whidbey: What is the Citadel?
The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of Idaho who believe in Jefferson's Rightful Liberty and have chosen to live amongst one another, who have sworn their Lives, their Fortunes and their Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty.

OHHHHHH shiat.

Nah. It's just an old-school company town, repackaged as a Freedom Center.


Now look, we don't need your New York Union Man rhetoric raining on this wonderful opportunity.

It's going to be just like 1776. Only with computers.
 
2013-01-13 08:17:25 PM  

whidbey: qorkfiend: whidbey: What is the Citadel?
The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of Idaho who believe in Jefferson's Rightful Liberty and have chosen to live amongst one another, who have sworn their Lives, their Fortunes and their Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty.

OHHHHHH shiat.

Nah. It's just an old-school company town, repackaged as a Freedom Center.

Now look, we don't need your New York Union Man rhetoric raining on this wonderful opportunity.

It's going to be just like 1776. Only with computers.


And AR-15s.
 
2013-01-13 09:00:21 PM  
God damn it subby, you made me give the Citadel a clicky.
 
2013-01-13 09:42:49 PM  
Looking at the map I have just realized that if the Citadel is built according to specifications then how are they supposed to deliver supplies to the weapon factory and weapons to the outside world? Unless they are planning on practicing alchemy and creating steel and other ferrous materials on the spot. Unless they are planning on using swallows to airlift stuff in and out.
 
2013-01-13 09:57:39 PM  

qorkfiend: FormlessOne: NewportBarGuy: Oh Jesus. Now that I actually read that... Wow. Yes, keep them all in one place, please. Proceed.

This is the new exploitable opportunity. This isn't the only "planned community" gearing up to become a bizarre little entrenched settlement, and the asking price to get in something like this is very steep.

Just follow the money, and see where it goes.

Easy; the firearm manufacturer who came up with this whole idea, who coincidentally has a firearms factory in a town where the residents are required to own firearms. I'm sure they'll get a sizable amount from selling their concrete corporate houses that the residents get to pay to finish, as well. Oh, and the money laundering with those fancy "Citadel Coins".


Pretty much. As with the other bizarre "settlements", following the money always leads to one greedy asshole happy to exploit the fears and hates of others for fun & profit.
 
2013-01-13 09:58:35 PM  
As an aside, this kind of thing always reminds of "The Survivors."

/Giving cigarettes to trees?! Sick!
 
2013-01-13 10:02:58 PM  

FormlessOne: As an aside, this kind of thing always reminds of "The Survivors."

/Giving cigarettes to trees?! Sick!


Time out Jack!
 
2013-01-13 10:06:42 PM  
This is where I lost it:

"Q6: Are you now, or have you ever been a member of, or associated with any racist group or subversive association that espouses the violent overthrow of these United States or any individual State?
Yes
No

If so, please elaborate."
 
2013-01-13 10:13:08 PM  

FormlessOne: As an aside, this kind of thing always reminds of "The Survivors."

/Giving cigarettes to trees?! Sick!


That movie was not nearly as funny as I was expecting it to be, considering it had two comedy greats in it.
 
2013-01-13 10:18:34 PM  
Some quality trolling on their blog:

MahmoudDecember 5, 2012 11:10 AM
Hello,

I represent a small group of families in Michigan. Like you, we have been persecuted by our government and our neighbours for our religious and political beliefs. We believe that the indulgent and hedonistic nature of our society will soon be it's downfall, and are taking the necessary steps to prepare!!

It's a huge relief to find other like minded people, and I can't wait to start the application process. Your belief in traditional values is a perfect match with our Islamic faith.

We are very independent and tend to keep to ourselves, but as a good neighbor I will offer open Quran study sessions, and invite my neighbors to observe our prayer sessions. I find it's best when everyone understands each other!!

Thanks again, and I look forward to sharing a community with you all!!


Link
 
2013-01-13 10:19:37 PM  

RanDomino: This is where I lost it:

"Q6: Are you now, or have you ever been a member of, or associated with any racist group or subversive association that espouses the violent overthrow of these United States or any individual State?
Yes
No

If so, please elaborate."


'Yes' gets you automatically nominated for their Board of Directors?
 
2013-01-14 12:11:23 AM  

Raharu: Waco 2.


Patriotic Boogaloo
 
2013-01-14 12:12:08 AM  
Here in San Francisco, there is a BDSM club called The Citadel.

/just sayin'. . . .
 
2013-01-14 01:00:19 AM  
"You will be required to begin paying 25% of your full lease price 90 days after your application has been approved"

+

"The single variable that is most difficult to quantify is the period between your approval and breaking ground on your home"

= a rube and his money are soon parted
 
2013-01-14 02:12:18 AM  

James F. Campbell: FormlessOne: As an aside, this kind of thing always reminds of "The Survivors."

/Giving cigarettes to trees?! Sick!

That movie was not nearly as funny as I was expecting it to be, considering it had two comedy greats in it.


Honestly, it really depended on when you saw it - when it came out in the early 80's, the whole "survivalist" bit was a relatively new cultural phenomenon. The real downer was that Matthau & Williams really didn't work well together - you could take either of them, but not both of them together. They just didn't jive. It had some memorable parts ("... now his tongue is in my HAND...", "...Hi, Jack! Want some pancakes?"), but I do agree that it could've been a lot funnier if they had kept either Matthau or Williams, and then brought in a second, different comedian to play the complementary role.
 
2013-01-14 02:26:40 AM  
I was all ready to roll my eyes and blow a raspberry and make masturbatory gestures with my hands when I first heard about this, thinking its just another Randian fantasy, but the whole "Company Town" angle is something that I never considered, its far more likely and WAY MORE DEPRESSING
/you burst my bubble
//screw you guys
 
2013-01-14 07:40:15 AM  
if you realy want to build fortifications, build at least something like the Magineot-line... it would hold if your attacker agree to use only WWI weapons. And it is kinda expensive.
But a middle-age castle... seriously?
 
2013-01-14 08:09:19 AM  
Building this monstrosity on top of a mountain is a terrible idea. No water, difficult to get fuel to, building that wall around a square mile is going to be an enormous undertaking all by itself, and the soil on top of a mountain is always the worst wrt growing crops or feeding animals.

Not that I think this thing will ever get past the "send us your preapplication payment" stage, but if it did the residents would be starving to death within six months.
 
2013-01-14 08:18:01 AM  
Q6: Are you now, or have you ever been a member of, or associated with any racist group or subversive association that espouses the violent overthrow of these United States or any individual State?
Yes
No

If so, please elaborate.
 
2013-01-14 01:46:25 PM  
it looks like this is a well-thought out plan destined for success and prosperity... oh wait, no, the opposite of that.

/stop being psycho and just live your life kplzkthx
 
2013-01-14 03:06:57 PM  

Raspil: it looks like this is a well-thought out plan destined for success and prosperity... oh wait, no, the opposite of that.

/stop being psycho and just live your life kplzkthx


No, it really is a well-thought out plan destined for success and prosperity - just not for theexploited idiots who buy into it. No, this ensures success and prosperity for the cabal of exploitative asswipes sponsoring it.
 
2013-01-14 04:19:14 PM  
What that map doesn't show you is all the tunnels that will be underneath. Of course they won't be planned in any sort of way, but if I know anything, these "patriots" won't trust each other and will start a digging.
Won't there be some red faces when two neighbours inevitably dig into each others secret cache area.
Will be even funnier when all the building collapse due to the secret chambers everyone will be making.
Because, engineering is for liberals, you know.
 
2013-01-15 02:10:34 PM  

PlatinumDragon: So, basically, party day for the Aryan Nation/Michigan Militia crowd.


It always amuses me that the Michigan Militia is well known/out there enough that people specifically mention that organization. I didn't realize that it was sort of odd to have nutcases organized like that until I went into the military.
 
2013-01-15 04:01:30 PM  
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FTFY
 
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