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2013-01-13 12:18:58 PM  

thamike: Thanks for putting me on a few lists, subbhole!


You get used to it. Just keep donuts around for when they drop by to chat lol
 
2013-01-13 12:30:36 PM  
How are they going to be self-sufficient when they have zero resources?
 
2013-01-13 12:32:45 PM  
I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy... until eventually my descendents have liberty to study guns and paranoia.

- John Adams
 
2013-01-13 12:32:58 PM  
I sense a TLC reality show in the making...
 
2013-01-13 12:35:54 PM  
Ever notice how conservative love to hide behind big walls and guns. Probably so they can hide from reality and science. What a freaking bunch of cowards.
 
2013-01-13 12:39:21 PM  
So will this liberty-based neighborhood have any freedom-crushing rules on number of wives a guy can have?

/just wonderin'
 
2013-01-13 12:47:59 PM  

dave2198: I sense a TLC reality show in the making...


Here Comes Crazy Dumb Dumb?
 
2013-01-13 12:49:43 PM  
Well it is in Idaho, our nation's crazy wildmen preserve.
 
2013-01-13 12:50:47 PM  
a fortress, in idaho?

why?
 
2013-01-13 12:51:57 PM  
A community using ICF? Nice.

HotIgneous Intruder: Because real Murikans don't need fire protection!


Well if they use ICF then any fire in a housing unit would typically stay in it. I'm assuming since they're big on the minuteman concept a fire alarm would summon all the locals to act as volunteer firemen. The only issue would be equipment. I assume that would be bought through charity sale events like the BSA and other organizations do.

Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.


It seems like it's not designed to keep the gov't out. More to keep control of people getting in. Most everyone doesn't have access to artillery. So I'm thinking they're going for a transient crime free community. Sorta like west of here in Slidell where most of the auto theft crime is caused by people coming into the city from outside of it.


Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.


This.
 
2013-01-13 12:52:26 PM  

loonatic112358: a fortress, in idaho?

why?


Everyone knows that the terrorist's ultimate target is Idaho. After all, they hate our potatoes.
 
2013-01-13 12:54:49 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: loonatic112358: a fortress, in idaho?

why?

Everyone knows that the terrorist's ultimate target is Idaho. After all, they hate our potatoes.


They're going to french fry in hell
 
2013-01-13 12:55:36 PM  
You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice.

OMG, guys, I think you are being too hard on these people. Just look at this--I can buy a house and decorate the inside of it any way I want! Have you ever heard of such freedom?
 
2013-01-13 12:55:40 PM  
So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

2.bp.blogspot.com


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.


Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.
 
2013-01-13 12:55:52 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Raharu: Waco 2.

Nah, Waco had a dirm leadership heirarchy. This doesn't, so it will be torn apart by in fighting within months.



But it's "No credit check. No background check. Zero down payment. Zero interest. Zero property taxes."

What could possibly go wrong?


LIBERTY!!!!
 
2013-01-13 12:57:04 PM  

mrmyxolodian: So...it's a commune?




That's the greatest irony of it all
 
2013-01-13 01:01:21 PM  
i78.photobucket.com

"...... it's the only way to be sure."
 
2013-01-13 01:01:39 PM  

Mrbogey: A community using ICF? Nice.

HotIgneous Intruder: Because real Murikans don't need fire protection!

Well if they use ICF then any fire in a housing unit would typically stay in it. I'm assuming since they're big on the minuteman concept a fire alarm would summon all the locals to act as volunteer firemen. The only issue would be equipment. I assume that would be bought through charity sale events like the BSA and other organizations do.

Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.

It seems like it's not designed to keep the gov't out. More to keep control of people getting in. Most everyone doesn't have access to artillery. So I'm thinking they're going for a transient crime free community. Sorta like west of here in Slidell where most of the auto theft crime is caused by people coming into the city from outside of it.


Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

This.


formaementis.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-13 01:03:27 PM  
Eleven: The Town Militia will hold an award/recognition ceremony on April 19th each year to celebrate Patriot's Day.

April 19? WTF happened on April 19 worth commemorating?

Let's see what Wikipedia says.

1985 - FBI siege on the compound of The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSAL) in Arkansas

Oh.

1993 - The 51-day siege of the Branch Davidian building outside Waco, Texas, USA, ends when a fire breaks out. Eighty-one people die.

Oh.

1995 - Oklahoma City bombing: The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA, is bombed, killing 168.

Ohhhhhhhh.

So, basically, party day for the Aryan Nation/Michigan Militia crowd.

This operation seems as legit as a windowless van hawking free candy. Assuming it's not yet another cheap scam perpetrated on highly irrational, xenophobic war fetishists, this place will implode in six months to a year over an arbitration matter, probably related to trash disposal and extramarital relations. Funny thing about being unable to trust people - makes it damned hard to organize an operating society.
 
2013-01-13 01:05:41 PM  
...and that shows how much/little I know about US history, now that I've read the rest of the thread. I think my point stands, given the subsequent history.
 
2013-01-13 01:06:45 PM  

Generation_D: So, larpers playing out revolutionary war fantasies in northern idaho.  Which would be cool if the enemy were armed with muskets instead of, say, drones and RPG.


No, even during the revolution star fortresses were the mode of the time to prevent cannon damage.  if that map is correct they are LARPing sometime before gunpowder.
 
2013-01-13 01:13:29 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.


Yeah, they've got a whole new idea for a firearm that they're banking on.

25.media.tumblr.com

Flaming Yawn: I love how the word "Patriot" now means "someone who hates the government."
As far as the worship of guns that appears there (a museum of firearms? really? how about a temple of firearms?) I think it may have something to do with the preppers who relish pointing out that in the apocalypse, you don't need to know anything about engineering, farming, medicine, or any kind of technology when you can simply take what you want from unarmed people.


Kind of weird how the same idea keeps coming out of people like this--how they're entitled to live outside the laws of society, and take what they "need." Pretty boring life philosophy, when you think about it. Selfish dicks and criminals have had that idea since the beginning of time.
 
2013-01-13 01:15:03 PM  
Raharu: Full-time residency will be defined by a select panel of full-time Residents

Does not compute.
 
2013-01-13 01:20:05 PM  

Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

These guys watch doomsday preppers WAY too much


Neither of which will happen.

It'd be a lot quicker and easier to gather all your valuables, put them in a big, heavy-duty safe, then take it on a boat and toss it overboard into the Mariana Trench.

Fools and their money...
 
2013-01-13 01:20:35 PM  

dumbobruni: the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.


There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.
 
2013-01-13 01:23:45 PM  

President Raygun: dumbobruni: the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.

There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.


Same thing happened to the Freemen complex back home in MT. Issuing your own coin seems to be the fasttrack way to have a standoff with federal authorities.
 
2013-01-13 01:25:36 PM  

Raharu: Two: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with the rifle of his/her choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 100 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.



0-media-cdn.foolz.us

"A man sized steel target does not hit back."

/better not be obscure around here.
 
2013-01-13 01:25:47 PM  
There's an old military axiom that seems appropriate here:

Make it impossible for the enemy to get in, and you can't get out.

Just sayin'.
 
2013-01-13 01:27:04 PM  

President Raygun: There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.


I hope it was this one:

mike.files.wordpress.com

Slut's clearly asking for it.
 
2013-01-13 01:28:05 PM  

Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x537]


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.


I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.
 
2013-01-13 01:30:05 PM  

President Raygun: dumbobruni: the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.

There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.


www.pkmeco.com You think there's actually a statue, don't you?
 
2013-01-13 01:30:18 PM  

cbuhler: TopNotched: Then Obama can troll them with hourly surveillance drones, every so many passes drop an M-80 or two into the compound for shiats and giggles.........Where the fark are these people gonna work?

One of the funniest things I've read on here in quite some time. I love the M80 idea..


Extra bonus points: On one or two trips, swap out the M-80 for a vial of suspicious white powder. Because I don't see much of a hospital on that proposed map.
 
2013-01-13 01:31:11 PM  

Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.


Where's the synagogue?
 
2013-01-13 01:40:32 PM  

qorkfiend: Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x537]


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.

I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.




Wait they do? Company scrip? Really?!
 
2013-01-13 01:41:04 PM  
If this all comes to fruition, it will prove to be an interesting Animal Farm-like experiment. They think they're forming a Patriot Utopia, but human nature always wins. Their society will begin to tear at the seams and they won't have the leadership or infrastructure in place to repair it.

I look forward to seeing it, although as always in these situations, I feel sorry for the children involved.
 
2013-01-13 01:48:44 PM  

Raharu: qorkfiend: Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x537]


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.

I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.

Wait they do? Company scrip? Really?!


There's something in there about minting gold and silver "Citadel Coins".
 
2013-01-13 01:48:45 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: President Raygun: dumbobruni: the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.

There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.

You think there's actually a statue, don't you?


You forget one little "t" and all hell breaks loose.
 
2013-01-13 01:48:59 PM  

tjassen: "A man sized steel target does not hit back."

/better not be obscure around here.



tjassen: "A man sized steel target does not hit back."

/better not be obscure around here.


Pfff... Monosodium Glutamate
 
2013-01-13 01:52:07 PM  

Generation_D: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x364]

This statue known as The Lexington Minuteman was originally meant to represent the common Minuteman, but has now become accepted as Captain John Parker. It is by Henry Hudson Kitson and it stands at the town green of Lexington, Massachusetts. It is not actually based on Parker's appearance, as no known likenesses of him survive today.


As someone who grew up in Lexington, I'm getting a kick, etc. etc.

/Saw more Japanese tourists taking pictures of that statue than anyone else.
 
2013-01-13 01:58:43 PM  

President Raygun: Lionel Mandrake: President Raygun: dumbobruni: the Citadel plans to make money via tourism, and this:

Additionally, we plan on forming our own bank that will issue Citadel coins in silver and gold.

so, money laundering.

There was some prepper paradise in Iowa that got busted pretty damn hard couple of years ago for issuing gold coinage. I forget the statue it violated.

You think there's actually a statue, don't you?

You forget one little "t" and all hell breaks loose.


HA!  I typed "statute" at first, but caught in preview.
 
2013-01-13 02:02:14 PM  

cryinoutloud: You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice.

OMG, guys, I think you are being too hard on these people. Just look at this--I can buy a house and decorate the inside of it any way I want! Have you ever heard of such freedom?


www.hangthebankers.com

"Don't get all gung-ho breaching the second unit.  There is absolutely no feng shui goin on in that place.  It's an affront on all the senses, really."
 
2013-01-13 02:03:00 PM  

qorkfiend: Raharu: qorkfiend: Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x537]


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.

I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.

Wait they do? Company scrip? Really?!

There's something in there about minting gold and silver "Citadel Coins".


If the world ends and humanity is reduced to roaming bands of nomadic wastelanders eking out a pathetic existence from the rubble of what was once civilization, what is the use of money? Even if it is in gold and silver coins? I mean without some sort of functional production based economy money is pretty much useless and barter is far more useful for people even in the confines of a 'prepper' apocalypse bunker equivalent. I mean I assume they would pretty much close down the compound to the outside world in the event of a catastrophe so who the hell is gonna need any gold?

"Oh hey thanks for that .12mm caliber ammo you made in the factory here's a gold coin"
"But I can't eat gold and the grocery store has been closed due to supermutant infestation since the end of the world"
"OK here's a $20 bill"
"That's a useless waste of space since the world has ended. What about some food or medical supplies or something useful instead?"
"Uh... here's a silver coin with a picture of Thomas Jefferson."
 
2013-01-13 02:04:17 PM  
Well. This looks entirely safe and not at all like it's going to seriously warp the children.

/I'd be fine with them doing whatever the hell they want, but they spend a lot of that 'Patriot's Pledge' focused on teaching kids to shoot. Which would be fine if they weren't doing it because they REALLY REALLY FEEL THE NEED to let the kids know SOMEONE WILL TRY TO KILL THEM, AND PROBABLY THE GUBMINT. That is not healthy.
//Seriously, can the FBI just work out a 'you guys calm down the crazy with the kids and we won't come after your asses'-type deal with them? Sounds like the best solution for everyone. Let them get bored and walk away on their own.
 
2013-01-13 02:04:35 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: qorkfiend: Raharu: qorkfiend: Target Builder: So looking into this it seems the III Arms Company successfully files it's articles of incorporation (or whatever it's called) back in August 2012.

Link

I'm trying to work out if this is:

A: A rather elaborate marketing plan for a startup gun manufacturer
B: A Scam
C: The actual plans of a highly delusional person
D: Some combination of A, B and C

Assuming it's "C", this is their vision of what their community will look like (see link above):

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 800x537]


derpy: I like that it's a lifetime lease for your house (no individual ownership), but YOU have to finish your house yourself.


No.

Note - they can also kick you out of the ommunity after you've paid for construction and interior completion.

I agree with the guy up thread who speculated it was an attempt to create a company town. They're set up to produce firearms; they're self-selecting a labor pool that favors firearms; the only place with any room to expand in the town is the factory. They've even got company scrip.

Wait they do? Company scrip? Really?!

There's something in there about minting gold and silver "Citadel Coins".

If the world ends and humanity is reduced to roaming bands of nomadic wastelanders eking out a pathetic existence from the rubble of what was once civilization, what is the use of money? Even if it is in gold and silver coins? I mean without some sort of functional production based economy money is pretty much useless and barter is far more useful for people even in the confines of a 'prepper' apocalypse bunker equivalent. I mean I assume they would pretty much close down the compound to the outside world in the event of a catastrophe so who the hell is gonna need any gold?

"Oh hey thanks for that .12mm caliber ammo you made in the factory here's a gold coin"
"But I can't eat gold and the grocery store has been closed due to supermutant infestation since the end of the world"
"OK here's a $20 bill"
"That's a ...

 
2013-01-13 02:04:52 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: From their FAQ:

Private vs. Public

One of the primary reasons for a lease paradigm versus private property inside the walls is our desire to make the community for Patriots only.

The model will be similar in many ways to that of Disneyland. It is walled, gated, private property with controlled access. People pay to enter and agree to the rules because they see value in doing so. It is all based on a voluntary agreement between the owners of the property and those who want to come inside. Millions of people visit Disneyland and interact peacefully. It's exceptionally rare to hear of any serious problems. The key is that those people want to be there and understand what is expected of them. Surprisingly similar to what we are doing.

You guys are nuts. It's going to be just like Disneyland! We just need to go to Derpcott Center to sign our Patriot Agreements!


It's farking Snow Crash is what it is.
 
2013-01-13 02:05:23 PM  
not sure why it ate the link

Look up "The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse" on amazon

/From a person who lived it
//Get gold rings
 
2013-01-13 02:07:50 PM  
Who is the Leader?

There is no person who can claim the title, "Leader" of the Citadel, nor will there be.



Oops, I meant to ask who gets the money?
 
2013-01-13 02:08:23 PM  

Fail in Human Form: not sure why it ate the link

Look up "The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse" on amazon

/From a person who lived it
//Get gold rings


I was thinking more of an apocalyptic event that ended western civilization, not so much a localized economic collapse though gold would probably be very useful in such an event.
 
2013-01-13 02:18:37 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Bennie Crabtree: HAHAHA the walls on their fort design are out of date for repelling even an 1812 artillery attack. This is why history degrees are important, people.

If they're holed up and getting hit with arty they're boned anyway. You could, in theory, put some tank traps between the inner and outer walls and along the outside walls (kinda doubt they have land mines) but standing your ground against a superior force is foolish to begin with.... should it come to that, which is what they seem to be preparing for with that type of fortification.


Supposedly, they're preparing for a collapse of civilization, not attempting to withstand military or government forces.

http://iiicitadel.com/faq.html#defend
 
2013-01-13 02:19:03 PM  
So, no property tax, no interest on the loan/lease, no recycling police (is that really an issue anywhere?), no farmland, a demand that everyone stores at least a year's worth of a food/supplies (but many of the housing sizes would never be able to accommodate that), and they will be off the grid (does that include trash, too?)...

This place is going to look like the slums of Brazil or India within 5 years at full occupancy...
 
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