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2013-01-13 10:46:31 AM

lj1330: Just a few points. Since when was socialism a lifestyle? If you are free, why are there towers inside the compound? finally, "they talk of using a panel to resove disputes: Isn't that, by definition, comunism?


Communism works well for small groups.  Families and church congregations are basically communist. The problems arise when the bolsheviks or nutty dictators show up and don't let you leave.
 
2013-01-13 10:47:36 AM

born_yesterday: CADMonkey79: So where are the anti-aircraft batteries? Guess it doesn't matter a single tank division and a couple of drones and they would be wiped out in a couple of days. It would work fairly well for zombies though.

Until the market ran out of food. Seriously, this has to be a joke. No one is stupid enough to give these people money, are they?


I though it was fake at first but apparently not. Yes, there are people that stupid/crazy, swing by free republic.
 
2013-01-13 10:48:11 AM

NobleHam: [iiicitadel.com image 600x800]

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.


That community's defense are practically impenetrable.  Provided airplanes no longer exist and people forget about mortars, this is the modern equivalent of Helm's Deep.
 
2013-01-13 10:50:55 AM

Flaming Yawn: I love how the word "Patriot" now means "someone who hates the government."

As far as the worship of guns that appears there (a museum of firearms? really? how about a temple of firearms?) I think it may have something to do with the preppers who relish pointing out that in the apocalypse, you don't need to know anything about engineering, farming, medicine, or any kind of technology when you can simply take what you want from unarmed people.


It's under the museum, and it's not for you to know about. Lots of nude gun-oil rituals, purely expressive of patriotism and not at all homoerotic, but far too beautiful for Outlander eyes to witness.
 
2013-01-13 10:52:29 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Who would even bother trying to attack this compound? It looks like a voluntary prison to me. I say have at it.


Yeah. I live in Spokane. The nearest decent sized town. The pig farkers will show up in my clubs and bars. We had so much fun with the Aryan Nations compound we're sooooo looking forward to this.
 
2013-01-13 10:53:59 AM
The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

These guys watch doomsday preppers WAY too much
 
2013-01-13 10:54:36 AM

mrshowrules: NobleHam: [iiicitadel.com image 600x800]

Farmer's market but no farms, firearms museum but no shooting range or hunting ground, and they seem to be preparing for an invasion by Vikings rather than building any sort of actually useful defensive structures... This seems ill-conceived.

Also, when did the rifle become the icon of American liberty? Surely the flag, or the bald eagle, or SOMETHING ranks higher than the rifle in terms of national symbolism. If not, we're really farked.

That community's defense are practically impenetrable.  Provided airplanes no longer exist and people forget about mortars, this is the modern equivalent of Helm's Deep.


They will probably build it in a low lying area as well.
 
2013-01-13 10:55:34 AM
While pretty low on the list of things they may not have thought all the way through, this pretty high on my scale of being easily amused: I wonder which John Parker it is that they've named the central green after. Was it the one who ran for POTUS in 2004 on the Workers World Party ticket? Perhaps it was Abraham Lincoln's bodyguard, who was charged with neglect of duty after a certain visit to the theater? Maybe John J. Parker, an American judge who served at the Nuremberg Trials? Or was it the character from Buckaroo Banzai?
 
2013-01-13 10:56:34 AM

Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

These guys watch doomsday preppers WAY too much


Pfft. I know where to find a D8. Just seal up the outer gate with a decent sized dirt pile and wait about 3 days. Some roaming bands are more sophisticated than others.
 
2013-01-13 10:59:08 AM

Subtle_Canary: The defenses seem based around keeping out roaming bands of neer-do-wells after the 'inevitable' collapse of civilization. Has nothing to do with stopping a full military assault.

These guys watch doomsday preppers WAY too much


That seems a little foolish since, if there were a collapse, the government would probably crack down like you wouldn't imagine when they declare martial law. If THAT'S their goal they'd be much better served by flying "under the radar" instead of building a cartoon castle.
 
2013-01-13 11:00:39 AM
"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man." - Gen. George S. Patton
 
2013-01-13 11:01:14 AM
Waco 2: Anarchic Bugaboo
 
2013-01-13 11:01:37 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: lj1330: Just a few points. Since when was socialism a lifestyle? If you are free, why are there towers inside the compound? finally, "they talk of using a panel to resove disputes: Isn't that, by definition, comunism?

Close. Communism is a stateless, classless society in which resources are pooled to the people in greatest need.

Using a panel to resolve disputes is just that: using a panel to resolve disputes.


See also: Directory, French Revolution.
"Directory, group of five men who held the executive power in France according to the constitution of the year III (1795) of the French Revolution."
 
xcv
2013-01-13 11:01:44 AM
HOUSING DETAILS: All homes will be built of poured concrete for exceptional strength and durability. Your home will be built to your specs (details available at this website) with utilities stubbed to the interior. You select the facade for the exterior of your home. You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice.

They make militia wingnuts manage to sound really, really fabulously queer.
 
2013-01-13 11:02:41 AM
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Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.
 
2013-01-13 11:03:10 AM
Derptopia?
 
2013-01-13 11:03:46 AM
It's not Waco II unless there is a messianic kid diddler at the root of the whole fiasco.
 
2013-01-13 11:04:00 AM
Well, there's this John Parker

The father of a teen suspected of murder and following neo-nazi literature
 
xcv
2013-01-13 11:04:20 AM
And sidewalks are a relic of socalism. They must have procured offroad rascals.
 
2013-01-13 11:06:15 AM
I wonder what that would actually cost to build. Say 100 millionish?
 
2013-01-13 11:06:22 AM

Fail in Human Form: "Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man." - Gen. George S. Patton


Especially with advancements in modern warfare. Awful nice of them to concentrate themselves into a single target though.
 
2013-01-13 11:06:31 AM
"Stand your ground; don't fire unless fired upon; but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." -- Captain John Parker, Lexington Militia, 9th April 1775

We may have a winner.
 
2013-01-13 11:08:05 AM

Whiskey Pete: Derptopia?


Uderpia?
 
2013-01-13 11:08:42 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

This statue known as The Lexington Minuteman was originally meant to represent the common Minuteman, but has now become accepted as Captain John Parker. It is by Henry Hudson Kitson and it stands at the town green of Lexington, Massachusetts. It is not actually based on Parker's appearance, as no known likenesses of him survive today.
 
2013-01-13 11:09:14 AM
*facepalm*

I enjoy shooting (both recreationally and competitively) as much as the next guy and I'm concerned about government overreach (e.g. PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention, and TSA body scanners to name but a few) but this is absurd and really makes me wonder about the sanity of some people.

I mean, couldn't they save a bit of money and resources by simply living where they currently are and writing a letter to their Congressman to express their displeasure with how certain things are going and to propose suggestions as to how they think things might be improved? That's what normal people do.

Doc Lee: Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.


Hah. Nice. Took me a sec. :)
 
2013-01-13 11:10:18 AM
So, larpers playing out revolutionary war fantasies in northern idaho.  Which would be cool if the enemy were armed with muskets instead of, say, drones and RPG.
 
2013-01-13 11:11:31 AM

Generation_D: "Stand your ground; don't fire unless fired upon; but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." -- Captain John Parker, Lexington Militia, 9th April 1775

We may have a winner.


I'm sure you're right. I was just having some fun with the ambiguity of the name.
 
2013-01-13 11:12:08 AM

Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding keeping the family lines pure.

 
2013-01-13 11:12:21 AM
I approve of this.

I would like to see these people self-deport from society and live in a camp...all concentrated together.
 
2013-01-13 11:12:25 AM

heypete: *facepalm*

I enjoy shooting (both recreationally and competitively) as much as the next guy and I'm concerned about government overreach (e.g. PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention, and TSA body scanners to name but a few) but this is absurd and really makes me wonder about the sanity of some people.


I don't care what they build, they could build Cinderella's Castle for all I care, I just don't understand the usefulness in practical terms. If they really wanted to do this, why not build a low profile community and a series of safe/store houses and bunkers scattered throughout the area to run to if the SHTF?
 
2013-01-13 11:12:29 AM

Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.


If that doesn't scream freedom I don't know what does.
 
2013-01-13 11:14:55 AM

badhatharry: Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.

If that doesn't scream freedom I don't know what does.


Just conducting business that the free market demands. Problem with that?
 
2013-01-13 11:14:59 AM
Will there be a dress code?

/Looks like they're going all medieval up in there.
 
2013-01-13 11:15:09 AM

Fail in Human Form: heypete: *facepalm*

I enjoy shooting (both recreationally and competitively) as much as the next guy and I'm concerned about government overreach (e.g. PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention, and TSA body scanners to name but a few) but this is absurd and really makes me wonder about the sanity of some people.

I don't care what they build, they could build Cinderella's Castle for all I care, I just don't understand the usefulness in practical terms. If they really wanted to do this, why not build a low profile community and a series of safe/store houses and bunkers scattered throughout the area to run to if the SHTF?


Because that wouldnt have the self inflicted victimhood slash defiant "stand your ground" nonsense that they're willing to spout instead.  Or wouldn't scam people out of their entry fee, take your pick.
 
2013-01-13 11:15:40 AM

Doc Lee: badhatharry: Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.

If that doesn't scream freedom I don't know what does.

Just conducting business that the free market demands. Problem with that?


Buying and selling each other's women, right?
 
2013-01-13 11:16:36 AM

Fail in Human Form: I wonder what that would actually cost to build. Say 100 millionish?


I count roughly 200 structures plus, an amphitheater and two layers of fortified walls.  $100M might cover the landscaping.  I'd add a zero.
 
2013-01-13 11:16:50 AM

Generation_D: Or wouldn't scam people out of their entry fee, take your pick.


I think you hit the nail on the head. The gates on this place should have "caveat emptor" over the front gates.
 
2013-01-13 11:16:58 AM

Fail in Human Form: heypete: *facepalm*

I enjoy shooting (both recreationally and competitively) as much as the next guy and I'm concerned about government overreach (e.g. PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention, and TSA body scanners to name but a few) but this is absurd and really makes me wonder about the sanity of some people.

I don't care what they build, they could build Cinderella's Castle for all I care, I just don't understand the usefulness in practical terms. If they really wanted to do this, why not build a low profile community and a series of safe/store houses and bunkers scattered throughout the area to run to if the SHTF?


And actually, this IS what "normal" survivalists and most LDS church members already have up in rural idaho/utah.  Every LDS is expected to save up for the coming apocalypse, and many do.  Which means if STHF ever really, just head for the nearest mormons house.
 
2013-01-13 11:17:49 AM

mrshowrules: Fail in Human Form: I wonder what that would actually cost to build. Say 100 millionish?

I count roughly 200 structures plus, an amphitheater and two layers of fortified walls.  $100M might cover the landscaping.  I'd add a zero.


I figured this place would never get past the design phase, if that's accurate it's over before it begins lol.
 
2013-01-13 11:18:53 AM
In the Zombie Apocalypse I would rather live there than in a prison.
 
2013-01-13 11:19:26 AM

heypete: *facepalm*

I enjoy shooting (both recreationally and competitively) as much as the next guy and I'm concerned about government overreach (e.g. PATRIOT ACT, warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention, and TSA body scanners to name but a few) but this is absurd and really makes me wonder about the sanity of some people.

I mean, couldn't they save a bit of money and resources by simply living where they currently are and writing a letter to their Congressman to express their displeasure with how certain things are going and to propose suggestions as to how they think things might be improved? That's what normal people do.

Doc Lee: Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.

Hah. Nice. Took me a sec. :)


This is a small minority of scared people. If all the people that believe in freedom hole up in Idaho, we're pretty much farked.
 
2013-01-13 11:20:17 AM

Doc Lee: badhatharry: Doc Lee: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Tempting. Would be a big money maker with all of the inbreeding.

If that doesn't scream freedom I don't know what does.

Just conducting business that the free market demands. Problem with that?


Aren't "libertarians" supposed to want decisions like that left to the individuals?  Why not make a buck, too?

Of course, if you're truly a rugged DYI individualist, coat hangers are cheap and plentiful.
 
2013-01-13 11:20:33 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: The Citadel was on Fark before, but back then, they only had a WordPress blog. Now they've grown into a full website. It brings a tear to my eye to see that. Derp grows up so fast. *sniffle*

But seriously, the entire "Patriot Agreement" (which you have to agree to to apply to live in their castle) is focused on defense, particularly militia training and marksmanship. There's absolutely no information on how people will live with each other. They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.

It leads me to believe they're giving themselves one option to solve disagreements within their community.
[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]


That's why there is an amphitheater.
 
2013-01-13 11:20:54 AM

Elfich: TopNotched: Raharu: Waco 2.

Except poured concrete doesn't burn so well......what a shame.

Get concrete hot enough and it burns just fine. The problem is the amount of energy required to get it started is pretty high.


Why would you want to eliminate the walls? The walls can be used to keep them in! What fun is a WP bombardment if people can escape?
 
2013-01-13 11:21:38 AM

BizarreMan: In the Zombie Apocalypse I would rather live there than in a prison.


In a "zombie apocalypse" I always hope my alarm clock goes off to wake me up before I get eaten.
 
2013-01-13 11:23:24 AM

Generation_D: "Stand your ground; don't fire unless fired upon; but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." -- Captain John Parker, Lexington Militia, 9th April 1775

We may have a winner.


April 19, not 9. So yeah, it's this guy. Bonus: Parker's company weren't minutemen, they were members of the main body of the Massachusetts Militia.
 
2013-01-13 11:23:59 AM
They make numerous mentions of the importance of locating in "The American Redoubt". That term was invented by hyper-Randian so-called Christian survivalists.
 
2013-01-13 11:24:07 AM
And you thought your HOA was bad.
 
2013-01-13 11:24:30 AM
Things I miss about North Idaho:

1. The spectacular natural beauty

2. Hudson's Hamburgers

Things I don't miss about North Idaho:

1. Everything else
 
2013-01-13 11:24:43 AM

Nuclear Monk: Sock Ruh Tease: The Citadel was on Fark before, but back then, they only had a WordPress blog. Now they've grown into a full website. It brings a tear to my eye to see that. Derp grows up so fast. *sniffle*

But seriously, the entire "Patriot Agreement" (which you have to agree to to apply to live in their castle) is focused on defense, particularly militia training and marksmanship. There's absolutely no information on how people will live with each other. They even plan their primary source of revenue to be arms manufacturing.

It leads me to believe they're giving themselves one option to solve disagreements within their community.
[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 100x100]

That's why there is an amphitheater.


Dammit, Cletus, that's my pa's Hoveround!

T'aint, neither, Obadiah, it's my sister-daughter's!

To the ring, boys!!

josefbrandenburg.com
 
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