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(Jezebel)   Oh FFS I guess it's not possible to expect the GOP to just leave the whole topic of rape alone for one freaking day. Paul Ryan (R)apeublican wants to make sure rapists have the right to sue the raped mothers of their rape babies for custody. Rape   (jezebel.com) divider line 356
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2013-01-13 10:44:08 AM  

log_jammin: last I checked the country has an issue with fathers not wanting to acknowledge it's their kids.


Which brings up a good point. I would expect men to be very concerned that abortion remain legal and available so they don't end up paying child support for a pregnancy that neither parent wants.
 
2013-01-13 10:45:36 AM  

FloydA: Of all the controversial issues they could have picked to make central to their platform, I for one, am glad that the GOP decided to become the pro-rape party.  That's a message that is sure to bring the people out to the polls in huge numbers.


How many times do I have to keep repeating this.

The GOP is NOT pro-rape. Republicans are clear that rape is bad. Their point is that no matter how bad rape is, abortion is always worse.
 
2013-01-13 10:50:41 AM  

Flaming Yawn: Republicans are clear that rape is bad.


... When?
 
2013-01-13 10:54:51 AM  

Flaming Yawn: FloydA: Of all the controversial issues they could have picked to make central to their platform, I for one, am glad that the GOP decided to become the pro-rape party.  That's a message that is sure to bring the people out to the polls in huge numbers.

How many times do I have to keep repeating this.

The GOP is NOT pro-rape. Republicans are clear that rape is bad. Their point is that no matter how bad rape is, abortion is always worse.


Only rape rape is bad. Rape is fine, and overseas rape rape is fine. Moreover, they frequently oppose efforts to help slave trade victims and spousal abuse victims. They try to shut down clinics and flat out lie to support their side.

Preponderance of evidence says they don't care about women or rape, but are JUST barely intelligent enough to pay lip service to the idea that rape is bad to keep their jobs.
 
2013-01-13 10:56:17 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Flaming Yawn: Republicans are clear that rape is bad.

... When?


He also thinks people saying things like "I am not racist but blacks should stick to their own kind" aren't racist.

Because hey, they clearly said so.
 
2013-01-13 11:24:54 AM  
Why they haven't pulled the doublethink "Clear Skies" move and just renamed the bill "Sanctity of Women's Bodies Act" is beyond me. Did they lose a page from the old playbook?
 
2013-01-13 11:31:03 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: I'm looking for YOUR explanation as to why a man doesn't have rights pre-childbirth as opposed to post.


children are not possessions
no one has any rights to possess people
the father only has responsibilities

oh wait
you said pre-childbirth
none
no rights, nor responsibilities
he does not possess the woman and has no control over her. period.
 
2013-01-13 11:31:09 AM  
No man has the right to tell a woman she must stay pregnant against her will
 
2013-01-13 11:33:06 AM  

cannotsuggestaname: what the fark is wrong with these people? I mean seriously, what is wrong?


Nothing. They are playing their role to a T. This is part of the plan to push you to the left, where you will be more accepting(as you already are) and even defensive of shiatty policy written by the "right", and pushed further forward by the "left".
 
2013-01-13 11:34:10 AM  

quickdraw: B) the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood;


"See the really hardcore people will tell you life begins at fertilization. Fertilization, when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Which is usually a few moments after the man says "Gee, honey, I was going to pull out but the phone rang and it startled me." But even after the egg is fertilized, it's still six or seven days before it reaches the uterus and pregnancy begins, and not every egg makes it that far. Eighty percent of a woman's fertilized eggs are rinsed and flushed out of her body once a month during those delightful few days she has. They wind up on sanitary napkins, and yet they are fertilized eggs. So basically what these anti-abortion people are telling us is that any woman who's had more than more than one period is a serial killer!"

/Carlin was telling these farkers off 20 years ago, back when he didn't vote.
//He can't vote now, either (except in Chicago), but his words still ring true.
 
2013-01-13 11:39:28 AM  
WTF is wrong with you, Republican Party?

Stop being jerks.
 
2013-01-13 11:47:26 AM  
The dam of derp is already broken. The idiot water is gonna flood the place.
 
2013-01-13 11:51:41 AM  

Smackledorfer: He also thinks people saying things like "I am not racist but blacks should stick to their own kind" aren't racist. Because hey, they clearly said so.


Ah, more food for my ignore list, then? Works for me. :P

namatad: he does not possess the woman and has no control over her. period.


... Nor should he have any control over her lack of a period.

/Ba-dum-tssh.
 
2013-01-13 12:03:25 PM  

s2s2s2: cannotsuggestaname: what the fark is wrong with these people? I mean seriously, what is wrong?

Nothing. They are playing their role to a T. This is part of the plan to push you to the left, where you will be more accepting(as you already are) and even defensive of shiatty policy written by the "right", and pushed further forward by the "left".


What?

Seriously, read what you wrote again, then go outside for a bit.
 
2013-01-13 12:15:55 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Not much of a libertarian.


While I personally think libertarians have an overly-idealized view of themselves/their ideology applied to real life (mostly my flimsy rationale for responding to this post), it's not unfair at all to call Ryan for his obvious sucking up to GOP mainstream elite here (at least I hope he's not such a sociopath as to believe what he's saying otherwise).
 
2013-01-13 12:16:13 PM  

s2s2s2: cannotsuggestaname: what the fark is wrong with these people? I mean seriously, what is wrong?

Nothing. They are playing their role to a T. This is part of the plan to push you to the left, where you will be more accepting(as you already are) and even defensive of shiatty policy written by the "right", and pushed further forward by the "left".


So in your mind the GOP is trying to be as radical as they can to make the people vote for the Democrats? ??

That is the stupidest conspiracy theory I have ever heard. Stupider than burghers and troothers. Seriously.
 
2013-01-13 12:32:35 PM  
I keep on saying, the only way conservatives reproduce is through rape. Being against rape is being against the lives of conservatives.

Besides, the more rapes they promote, the more children they can kill in elementary schools.

That's the problem in the US today, too many people are against Republican morals.
 
2013-01-13 12:44:09 PM  
Fun fact: The Wiki page for the GOP's recent propensity for rapey ridiculousness is about 4000 words long, while the page for the War on Women in a more general sense is about 3000 words long. Together, they're the same length as the page on the Party's entire history since its founding in 1854, which is about 7000 words long.

But don't you dare call them rapists.
 
2013-01-13 12:46:49 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Fun fact: The Wiki page for the GOP's recent propensity for rapey ridiculousness is about 4000 words long, while the page for the War on Women in a more general sense is about 3000 words long. Together, they're the same length as the page on the Party's entire history since its founding in 1854, which is about 7000 words long.

But don't you dare call them rapists.


The men most certainly are rapists, if they have sex with women.
 
2013-01-13 12:58:07 PM  

clowncar on fire: FloydA: Of all the controversial issues they could have picked to make central to their platform, I for one, am glad that the GOP decided to become the pro-rape party.  That's a message that is sure to bring the people out to the polls in huge numbers.

Nice spin and you're all enjoying the ride I see.

The intent of the bill was to allow the biological father to be able to sue to prevent the abortion of his child, but yeah, I guess if a rapist would theoretically wanted to take on the financial responsibility for this child, the law would probably allow him to sue to prevent the abortion as well.

Yes, I totally agree and support the women's final decision on the matter but if the biological father (not usually a rapist) wanted the birth to come to full term and had the means and intent to care for the child, the bill would offer at least some recourse until a decision could be made. Contrary to popular belief, not all women are exactly the brightest stewards of their bodies (that's how some end up with unintended pregnancies in the first place), and this bill may offer enough time for cooler heads to prevail while other options to abortion are explored. The sad part of this bill is that as a biological father to be, rapists would be given the same rights as the intentional and accidental fathers would be given.

If you believe abortion is the only answer to an unwanted pregnancy- than yes, this bill is a load of horse relish.


I'm hoping you'd be happy to let your ideas sit by the wayside and not be put into law until there is such a time that a fetus can be removed with little to no risk to either the mother and/or fetus and then the fetus is placed into some sort of Borg-like maturation chamber (until fetus is ready for otherwise natural birth) otherwise this is equal level dickery.
 
2013-01-13 01:06:32 PM  

cryinoutloud: I'd like to hear your argument for giving custody of a newborn baby to someone other than the mother, if she's fit.


Too far.
Because accepting, taking, and acting on the responsibility of being a parent isn't the sole domain of women.
Because being irresponsible, immature, or selfish isn't the sole domain of men.
Because having two active, caring, loving and involved parents is in the best interest of the child.


LeoffDaGrate:
I'm looking for YOUR explanation as to why a man doesn't have rights pre-childbirth as opposed to post.

Because slavery is wrong.
And illegal.
 
2013-01-13 01:07:38 PM  

justtray: But to simply say a that a man has NO rights towards the future existence of another human being.


Oh, and a fetus is not a child/person.
 
2013-01-13 01:08:18 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Seriously


There's your problem.
 
2013-01-13 01:09:08 PM  

log_jammin: Seriously


I see you have the same problem as cameron.
 
2013-01-13 01:14:50 PM  
Ryan's derp level just went way way past 9000. *crushes scouter like the 49ers crushed the Packers*
 
2013-01-13 01:19:41 PM  

jayhawk88: I went to a Catholic funeral for a ~75 year old woman today (mother of a friend). We're dead center in the middle of Kansas here. There were at least 30 beard sporting/bonnet wearing Holderman Mennonite's there for farks sake (husband was a lapsed Mennonite but never converted to Catholic for his wife). Could not be a more conservative setting.

And yet the priest still found it necessary to drop a "Isn't it great she had a long and fruitful life because her parents didn't have her aborted?"...not once but TWICE! AT A farkING FUNERAL! For a woman who, finally, mercifully, was free of the cancer that had been destroying her body for the past 2-3 years!

I can't imagine what he's spewing "to the choir", so to speak, on a week-to-week basis. Gotta be honest, sort of opened my eyes a bit.


Some clergy are insufferable. At my cousin's wedding, the priest (she was Lutheran but married a Catholic) manage to work *into the wedding* the vital information that he'd met the Pope.

At my uncle's funeral, the Baptist minister slipped in that my uncle was a "Prodigal Son" who'd come to Jesus "at the 11th hour."

I would haunt anyone who brought abortion into my funeral.
 
2013-01-13 01:21:24 PM  

wjmorris3: Fluorescent Testicle: Fun fact: The Wiki page for the GOP's recent propensity for rapey ridiculousness is about 4000 words long, while the page for the War on Women in a more general sense is about 3000 words long. Together, they're the same length as the page on the Party's entire history since its founding in 1854, which is about 7000 words long.

But don't you dare call them rapists.

The men most certainly are rapists, if they have sex with women.


wjmorris3, hat about women who perpetuate sexual acts towards men? That's totally cool right? I was thinking about commiting an act later!
 
2013-01-13 01:22:21 PM  
What even....*sigh* been a sucky week.
 
2013-01-13 01:23:56 PM  

DrZiffle: Bugger him up the arse and ask if it's legitimate.


I think I'd ask him how many pumps does it take to get to the center of a legitimate arse rape

Ahh, 1; Ahh 2; Ahh 3.....3
 
2013-01-13 01:24:33 PM  
LouDobbsAwaaaay: That said, this bill is horrendous and should never be seriously considered by legislators in a civilized country.

Are you taking a swipe at my beloved USA?
Look, just because we are the only industrialized country that doesn't have universal heath care;
and just because certain religions want to force the public to perform the rites of their beliefs in public facilities and and on the public dime;
and just because we have a large and vocal group of terrified troglodytes who threaten riot and revolution over any sensible limitation on, public accountability for, or regulation of privately held firearms;
and just because corporations are treated as persons under the law with rights, but no concomitant responsibilities;
and just because another large and vocal group want to teach theology as science, and believe in folk tales and magic over science;
and just because a group values a fetus over living, breathing human beings - so much so that they would relegate women to the status of property of a fetus, a male partner, or even a rapist;
and just because a loud and vocal group are calling for an end to all forms public assistance and legal protections for the poor, disabled, hungry, needy, old, mentally ill, vulnerable, and young;
and just because these idiots play any role, let alone a significant one in shaping our public policy does not mean that ours isn't a civiliz...
Oh.
Wait.
*hangs head in shame and mortification*
 
2013-01-13 01:24:47 PM  
so you mean another day that ends in "Y"?
 
2013-01-13 01:25:26 PM  

Richard Freckle: DrZiffle: Bugger him up the arse and ask if it's legitimate.

I think I'd ask him how many pumps does it take to get to the center of a legitimate arse rape

Ahh, 1; Ahh 2; Ahh 3.....3


He'd just P90X your dick off.
 
2013-01-13 01:35:20 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: LouDobbsAwaaaay: That said, this bill is horrendous and should never be seriously considered by legislators in a civilized country.

Are you taking a swipe at my beloved USA?
Look, just because we are the only industrialized country that doesn't have universal heath care;
and just because certain religions want to force the public to perform the rites of their beliefs in public facilities and and on the public dime;
and just because we have a large and vocal group of terrified troglodytes who threaten riot and revolution over any sensible limitation on, public accountability for, or regulation of privately held firearms;
and just because corporations are treated as persons under the law with rights, but no concomitant responsibilities;
and just because another large and vocal group want to teach theology as science, and believe in folk tales and magic over science;
and just because a group values a fetus over living, breathing human beings - so much so that they would relegate women to the status of property of a fetus, a male partner, or even a rapist;
and just because a loud and vocal group are calling for an end to all forms public assistance and legal protections for the poor, disabled, hungry, needy, old, mentally ill, vulnerable, and young;
and just because these idiots play any role, let alone a significant one in shaping our public policy does not mean that ours isn't a civiliz...
Oh.
Wait.
*hangs head in shame and mortification*


Notice that I didn't mention abstinence-only sex "education" and the obvious consequences with respect to unintended pregnancies and the spread of STIs.

/Because that would be kicking a man when he's down.
 
2013-01-13 01:50:02 PM  

Aello: wjmorris3: Fluorescent Testicle: Fun fact: The Wiki page for the GOP's recent propensity for rapey ridiculousness is about 4000 words long, while the page for the War on Women in a more general sense is about 3000 words long. Together, they're the same length as the page on the Party's entire history since its founding in 1854, which is about 7000 words long.

But don't you dare call them rapists.

The men most certainly are rapists, if they have sex with women.

wjmorris3, hat about women who perpetuate sexual acts towards men? That's totally cool right? I was thinking about commiting an act later!


And if a woman perpetuates an act on a man, the man should be charged with rape. Men Potential rapists need to learn that the answer is always no, regardless of circumstances.
 
2013-01-13 01:55:35 PM  

Bacontastesgood: Has Jezebel sunk any lower than saying the girls in the Gap "talk to the moose" ad were being exploited as sex objects?


data.whicdn.com
 
2013-01-13 01:56:50 PM  
Not that I support the GOP on anything related to rape but the article says that his bill would allow them to sue to stop the woman from crossing state lines to have an abortion not that they can sue for custody.

No amount of outrage or absurdity would be lost by at least getting the headline correct.

/Yes yes I know... welcome to fark
 
2013-01-13 02:19:36 PM  

FloydA: Of all the controversial issues they could have picked to make central to their platform, I for one, am glad that the GOP decided to become the pro-rape party.  That's a message that is sure to bring the people out to the polls in huge numbers.


And they keep wondering why 99% of non-white males don't vote for them...
 
2013-01-13 02:21:54 PM  
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2013-01-13 02:27:04 PM  
I have really, really come to abhor the term "Pro Life". The people that describe themselves as such are predominantly not in favor of life; they're just against abortion.

In fact, they are so ridiculously, stubbornly, stupidly against abortion to the extent where they would much rather empower rapists through the legal system than allow a rape victim to have one. Think about that for a second: Republicans are aiming to give rapists more protection under the legal system than the rape victims. I mean, that is their ultimate goal - no abortions, no exceptions. Even if it means forcing an already traumatized rape victim to carry through a pregnancy that was the result of sexual molestation.

It's sick, deranged policy making and I hope that not just liberals, but Americans in general remember this shiat for the mid-terms and vote these motherfarkers out.

Not bolting my breath though. Because Jesus and Socialism.
 
2013-01-13 02:44:30 PM  

Zerochance: I have really, really come to abhor the term "Pro Life". The people that describe themselves as such are predominantly not in favor of life; they're just against abortion.


I've always preferred "anti-choice."
 
2013-01-13 02:48:22 PM  

thamike: Zerochance: I have really, really come to abhor the term "Pro Life". The people that describe themselves as such are predominantly not in favor of life; they're just against abortion.

I've always preferred "anti-choice."


"Pro-slavery" works, too.

/Given their recent legislative record, you could also legitimately call the Rapublican party the "Anti-democratic Party."
 
2013-01-13 02:56:30 PM  
The whole "Every life is sacred" schtick is a manufactured controversy. It's not even biblically sound.

Numbers five.
 
2013-01-13 02:56:52 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: thamike: Zerochance: I have really, really come to abhor the term "Pro Life". The people that describe themselves as such are predominantly not in favor of life; they're just against abortion.

I've always preferred "anti-choice."

"Pro-slavery" works, too.

/Given their recent legislative record, you could also legitimately call the Rapublican party the "Anti-democratic Party."


They hate us for our freedoms.
 
2013-01-13 03:32:33 PM  

BravadoGT: Here's the entire declaration from the offending act:


SEC. 2. DECLARATION. In the exercise of the powers of the Congress, including Congress' power under article I, section 8 of the Constitution, to make necessary and proper laws, and Congress' power under section 5 of the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States-- (1) the Congress declares that-- (A) the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being, and is the paramount and most fundamental right of a person; and (B) the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood; and (2) the Congress affirms that the Congress, each State, the District of Columbia, and all United States territories have the authority to protect the lives of all human beings residing in its respective jurisdictions. It seems a "bit" of a stretch to read that, and then come to the conclusion that Paul Ryan's intent is to "make sure rapists have the right to sue the raped mothers of their rape babies for custody."


Quiet, you! We're having a liberal outrage circle jerk here! Pointing out that the article makes some extremely wild assumptions of what could or might possibly happen and then declaring that the far-fetched and unlikely possible outcome is Ryan's sole intent isn't helping. I almost lost my outrage boner thanks to you!

Paul Ryan can eat a huge bowl of dicks as far as I'm concerned, but this article is just retarded hysterics trying very hard to drum up some manufactured outrage. Jezebel can share Ryan's bowl of dicks if they don't have their own.
 
2013-01-13 03:54:24 PM  

mod3072: Quiet, you! We're having a liberal outrage circle jerk here! Pointing out that the article makes some extremely wild assumptions of what could or might possibly happen and then declaring that the far-fetched and unlikely possible outcome is Ryan's sole intent isn't helping. I almost lost my outrage boner thanks to you!

Paul Ryan can eat a huge bowl of dicks as far as I'm concerned, but this article is just retarded hysterics trying very hard to drum up some manufactured outrage. Jezebel can share Ryan's bowl of dicks if they don't have their own.


Jezebel might be going into hysterics, but it doesn't really matter.  This:

(A) the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being, and is the paramount and most fundamental right of a person; and (B) the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood;

is f*cked up enough.
 
2013-01-13 04:31:21 PM  
This piece of shiat would fit right in in India.
 
2013-01-13 04:35:29 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Bacontastesgood: Has Jezebel sunk any lower than saying the girls in the Gap "talk to the moose" ad were being exploited as sex objects?

Well, there is a fine line between being a cheerleader and a stripper.


Yes, and it is called Pom Pons Team. Bunch o' future strippers.
 
2013-01-13 05:57:15 PM  

mod3072: Paul Ryan can eat a huge bowl of dicks as far as I'm concerned, but this article is just retarded hysterics trying very hard to drum up some manufactured outrage. Jezebel can share Ryan's bowl of dicks if they don't have their own.


It's actually rather plausible that suing to prevent an abortion - by way of suing for custody while a woman is still pregnant - would be accepted by certain courts. What is unclear to me is how they expect paternity to be established in such a situation; in other words, how does the man establish a private right of action/standing to begin with? Of course paternity can be established prenatally, but it doesn't seem the bill would allow a man to make a woman undergo such a test. Maybe if he established in a preliminary proceeding that he had sex with the woman? Seems you'd need a jury to do that sort of fact finding. Nice use of resources, nice way of delaying a pregnancy to the point where it can't happen or is more dangerous for the mother.

There are so many things wrong with personhood bills. This is the most emotional example of what could happen, but anyone following a logical train of thought should understand that this type of bill would (in the short term) prevent women from getting necessary medical care and (in the long term) be declared unconstitutional.
 
2013-01-13 07:07:52 PM  
damn, all these people raging about rape on a saturday night/ sunday morning. you should go out and get laid.
 
2013-01-14 05:20:21 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: This piece of shiat would fit right in in India.


I actually heard your computer slap you.
 
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