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(Jezebel)   Oh FFS I guess it's not possible to expect the GOP to just leave the whole topic of rape alone for one freaking day. Paul Ryan (R)apeublican wants to make sure rapists have the right to sue the raped mothers of their rape babies for custody. Rape   (jezebel.com) divider line 356
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2013-01-13 12:51:17 AM

Fart_Machine: clowncar on fire: Fart_Machine: clowncar on fire: Contrary to popular belief, not all women are exactly the brightest stewards of their bodies

So it's best that someone mansplain things that they should serve as a forced incubator for nine months.

Not what I said- thoough that's probably how'd you you prefer to hear it. The alternative would be to accept the fact that some people are just too stupid not to be able to prevent an unwanted pregnancy (both partners), and that some people make hasty decisions without thinking things out. In the end, should a woman choose not to carry the child to full term for whatever reasons, then yes the law should respect that decision, but only after other options are explored.

If the bill allows for the biological father to sue to stop the abortion what do you think happens if he wins?


Absolutely nothing. At least immediately. A state court cannot order every single doctor in A DIFFERENT STATE to not perform a legal procedure in that other state.

Now, in that hypothetical, after the fetus was aborted (outside of the court's jurisdiction), the judge could find the woman to be in contempt of court (for failing to follow court orders), but at that point,as Shakespeare said, "What's done, is done."
 
2013-01-13 12:52:53 AM

FloydA: I for one, am glad that the GOP decided to become the pro-rape party.


It probably is a favorite past time for the base. You have the business wing raping us economically, and and the "values" wing reasserts male social control of their women.
 
2013-01-13 12:54:45 AM

wjmorris3: The Republicans have forgotten that all pregnancies start from rape, haven't they?


Which is it, dumbass, is it impossible to get pregnant as the body rejects fertilization during trauma such as rape or is it that all life begins at rape?

A lie can only become a truth as long as it remains consistant over time. If you can't keep your story straight, you'll fail at rewriting history.
 
2013-01-13 12:59:58 AM

clowncar on fire: Oddly enough- the bill is about the fathers to be (not just rapists) their day in court too. Mommy may be carrying, but on many occasions, daddy and mommy were in mutual agreement on how that baby got there. When this is the case, shouldn't daddy at least have some say. That's all this bill really is: a chance for daddy to get his say as well: not as a tool for rapists to harrass their victims. It's about the rights of both parties involved in the pregnancy.

But i will agree- should this law be used in any way to compel a woman to have a child she does not want to bring to full term- than yes: they can burn it now.

Reading comprehension- how's that work again.


Yes, nice try, but that's the only way these bills have ever been brought before court. Not for rapists necessarily; but to compel a woman to bring a child she does not want to term...and that's just about the only reason for having these asinine laws. Here's why:

Even under the current abortion laws (Roe/Casey) there is a fairly narrow window in which a woman can even have a legal and safe abortion, once she knows she's pregnant. Amazing early pregnancy tests aside, she can only legally get an abortion until the fetus is "viable", usually about 25 weeks in most states. Assuming she's like most of us and doesn't figure it out till the fourth or fifth week when she misses a period, that gives her 20 weeks (five months) to get an abortion.

That seems like a long time until you know the glacial pace of the US Superior Court System. If the woman goes to court tomorrow to notice the father she's going to get an abortion and he wants his day in court, the calendar will be set usually for one month from the date of filing. Assuming daddy shows up, now there is only four months....but let's say dad doesn't show up. If this law is to give him a due process right to be heard and the bill says he MUST be given a right, the court will reschedule for the next available date, which could be another month. Go on long enough, and suddenly it's a moot point--mom has to have the baby because she missed her window for the abortion.

Now, if the law is written so that if dad misses his first hearing, its a default ruling for mom, then maybe...but I've never seen the law written that way. It's always been that the father has an absolute right to block the abortion unless he waives it; which is why these laws are always overruled.
 
2013-01-13 01:01:50 AM

heinekenftw: Johnny Swank: You Catholics are farking nuts. Every damn one of you. WTF?

That's not entirely fair. My family is catholic and not a single one of them would agree with this idiocy about rape.

Not all catholics are batshiat insane about rape and abortion. The leadership, perhaps, but not all of the laymen.


Sorry Chief, but that doesn't fly. You're (or your family members) are choosing to join, support, and (financially) endorse the organization that actively supports this sort of shiat (along with actively hiding kiddie farkers.) That is some farked up stuff, and I pity them if they're too god damn weak to leave. Fark em.
 
2013-01-13 01:02:28 AM
Oh crap, it's actually called the Sanctity of Human Life Act? How terribly Orwellian.

I'm not sure which is stronger now, the urge to punch Paul Ryan's face in that pic with the article, or the urge to bathe after reading this crap.
 
2013-01-13 01:02:53 AM

clowncar on fire: wjmorris3: The Republicans have forgotten that all pregnancies start from rape, haven't they?

Which is it, dumbass, is it impossible to get pregnant as the body rejects fertilization during trauma such as rape or is it that all life begins at rape?

A lie can only become a truth as long as it remains consistant over time. If you can't keep your story straight, you'll fail at rewriting history.


Rape is any sexual act that a man performs on a woman. So all pregnancies in theory start with rape.
 
2013-01-13 01:02:56 AM
farker looks like a Muppet.
 
2013-01-13 01:03:38 AM
Sorry Subby, I see nothing in the article about suing for custody. I do see a part where a rapist could sue(and probably win) to keep one of his victims from getting an abortion, which is heinous, but nothing about the custody thing.

If you're going to cite something in your headline, TFA hasn't actually contain that something, it's pretty lame to expect everyone to try and find the part you're citing when it's not contained in TFA.

And to think about all of the people who do this right and DON'T get a green...
 
2013-01-13 01:04:52 AM

skullkrusher: I have given it 5 clicks to uphold my promise to click 5 times each time a person announces a refusal to click somewhere.


Small gift, big smile.
 
2013-01-13 01:12:27 AM

MmmmBacon: Thank you, Ryan, for killing any chance you might have had of winning the Presidency in 2016. You have almost single-handedly given the Presidency to the Democrats until at least 2020, if not 2024, and for that I again thank you. Oh, and way to learn from the arse-kicking the GOP took in November 2012, Sir.

What a crazy bastard!


The scary part is, he's more well liked that Mitt was and would probably have a better chance at the presidency. The even scarier part is the fact that he isn't a fringe GOP candidate, he is a moderate voice of the GOP party.
 
2013-01-13 01:13:38 AM

Gyrfalcon: clowncar on fire: Oddly enough- the bill is about the fathers to be (not just rapists) their day in court too. Mommy may be carrying, but on many occasions, daddy and mommy were in mutual agreement on how that baby got there. When this is the case, shouldn't daddy at least have some say. That's all this bill really is: a chance for daddy to get his say as well: not as a tool for rapists to harrass their victims. It's about the rights of both parties involved in the pregnancy.

But i will agree- should this law be used in any way to compel a woman to have a child she does not want to bring to full term- than yes: they can burn it now.

Reading comprehension- how's that work again.

Yes, nice try, but that's the only way these bills have ever been brought before court. Not for rapists necessarily; but to compel a woman to bring a child she does not want to term...and that's just about the only reason for having these asinine laws. Here's why:

Even under the current abortion laws (Roe/Casey) there is a fairly narrow window in which a woman can even have a legal and safe abortion, once she knows she's pregnant. Amazing early pregnancy tests aside, she can only legally get an abortion until the fetus is "viable", usually about 25 weeks in most states. Assuming she's like most of us and doesn't figure it out till the fourth or fifth week when she misses a period, that gives her 20 weeks (five months) to get an abortion.

That seems like a long time until you know the glacial pace of the US Superior Court System. If the woman goes to court tomorrow to notice the father she's going to get an abortion and he wants his day in court, the calendar will be set usually for one month from the date of filing. Assuming daddy shows up, now there is only four months....but let's say dad doesn't show up. If this law is to give him a due process right to be heard and the bill says he MUST be given a right, the court will reschedule for the next available date, which could be another mo ...


Sort of a catch 22 as they may seek to block an abortion, I don't think they can compel a woman to hav a child.

I will agree with you on the intrusiveness that the legal system has taken with women's health issues though. I'm hoping for a best case scenario where- if time permitting-- the biological father to be could at least offer options to an abortion but that would only be in situations where time permitted. I believe there may be circumstances where the woman may not be aware of all of her options or that by presenting these options in a legal environment, the father would be compelled legally to care for his child other than by just offering hollow promises. So yeah, I imagine only someone who is serious enough about wanting a father would seek this route, and in the eyes of the mother, may be offering a real alternative option to the mother other than lipservice.
 
2013-01-13 01:14:43 AM
It's just grandstanding and everyone that spreads this (even Jezebell) is just giving them attention. It would not get signed by Obama and they do not have enough votes to override it.
 
2013-01-13 01:16:37 AM
By their reasoning, shouldn't the body have shut that shiat down, preventing a pregnancy?

Let's face it, they have no reason, they are just pro-rapist. I have no idea why, but they are.
 
2013-01-13 01:18:45 AM

Frank N Stein: Coco LaFemme: This current crop of Republicans makes me sick to my farking stomach.  They just absolutely nauseate me.

That nauseous feeling is probably from the crap you consume when you blindly believe misleading Fark headlines and questionable legal analysis from biased sources.


And then I remember that the state of Virginia was unequivocally going to legally permit every woman seeking an abortion to have a plastic wand rammed up her vagina, and I remind myself that there is no possible degree of bias that could transcend reality.

/they really are as abhorrent as any Fark headline could portray them
 
2013-01-13 01:21:01 AM
A message from the Republican Party

RAPE! GUNS! RAPE! GUNNNNS! BORTIONS! GUNS! BIRF CERTIFICUT!! GUNNNNNNNSSSSS!!!!!! *pant* *pant* *pant* OH LORDY JEBUS I LOVE GUNNNNNSSSS AND RAPE AND GUNNNNSSSSSS!!!! RAPE! MOOCHERS! MOCHERCLASS! MOOCHER SOCIETY! MOOCHER GUN JEBUS CLASS BORTIONS RAAAAAPPPPPEEE!!! DAY TERK ERRRR GUNNNNZZZZZ! OH GIMME MORE GUNS! GUNS! FER RAPIN' AND MAKIN' RAPE BABIES FOR MORE BORTIONS GUNNNNNSSSSS!!!!!!

This has been a message from the Republican Party.

GUNNNNNNSSSS!
 
2013-01-13 01:22:18 AM

randomjsa: The tide is turning, and a majority of voters don't want politicians making women's health choices for them.

No, just the people who want single payer systems, and those who support ObamaCare.

So this part is correct at least... Most people don't want that


Are you ever not a giant tool?
 
2013-01-13 01:23:46 AM

wjmorris3: clowncar on fire: wjmorris3: The Republicans have forgotten that all pregnancies start from rape, haven't they?

Which is it, dumbass, is it impossible to get pregnant as the body rejects fertilization during trauma such as rape or is it that all life begins at rape?

A lie can only become a truth as long as it remains consistant over time. If you can't keep your story straight, you'll fail at rewriting history.

Rape is any sexual act that a man performs on a woman. So all pregnancies in theory start with rape.


Seriously? Rape is an unwanted act of agression as a means control and humiliation by achieving this through the act of sex. It is done for the control aspect, not for the sexual or emotional pleasure derived as an act of sharing.

Sex quickly devolves into rape the moment one or the other partners says "no" and the request to stop is ignored and instead becomes more agressively persistant. Consensual sex is hardly rape.
 
2013-01-13 01:25:16 AM

phuquetarde: A message from the Republican Party

RAPE! GUNS! RAPE! GUNNNNS! BORTIONS! GUNS! BIRF CERTIFICUT!! GUNNNNNNNSSSSS!!!!!! *pant* *pant* *pant* OH LORDY JEBUS I LOVE GUNNNNNSSSS AND RAPE AND GUNNNNSSSSSS!!!! RAPE! MOOCHERS! MOCHERCLASS! MOOCHER SOCIETY! MOOCHER GUN JEBUS CLASS BORTIONS RAAAAAPPPPPEEE!!! DAY TERK ERRRR GUNNNNZZZZZ! OH GIMME MORE GUNS! GUNS! FER RAPIN' AND MAKIN' RAPE BABIES FOR MORE BORTIONS GUNNNNNSSSSS!!!!!!

This has been a message from the Republican Party.

GUNNNNNNSSSS!


You wear your name well- don't change a thing.
 
2013-01-13 01:25:30 AM

Alphakronik: The even scarier part is the fact that he isn't a fringe GOP candidate, he is a moderate voice of the GOP party.


No, he's a fringe candidate who everybody pretends is a moderate voice. He's a religious zealot and an Ayn Rand fellater, one of the few nutbars who manages to fit comfortably under both the Tea Party Republican and Libertarian Republican labels.
 
2013-01-13 01:27:20 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Alphakronik: The even scarier part is the fact that he isn't a fringe GOP candidate, he is a moderate voice of the GOP party.

No, he's a fringe candidate who everybody pretends is a moderate voice. He's a religious zealot and an Ayn Rand fellater, one of the few nutbars who manages to fit comfortably under both the Tea Party Republican and Libertarian Republican labels.


Agreed. It would be nice if would could get a leash on people like this. Seems the dumbest ones always have the loudest microphones.
 
2013-01-13 01:28:01 AM
If you hypocritical libs really cared about the children forced into this world then you would allow the option of that child having the parent that legally proves to be the better provider.
 
2013-01-13 01:30:01 AM
I like listening to Republicans talk. It makes it so much easier to laugh at anyone who claims to vote for those ignorant lunatics.

Just die off already. Sane America doesn't want you. Grab your goddamn guns and go hide in the woods like you want.
 
2013-01-13 01:31:39 AM

randomjsa: The tide is turning, and a majority of voters don't want politicians making women's health choices for them.

No, just the people who want single payer systems, and those who support ObamaCare.

So this part is correct at least... Most people don't want that.


You should write a letter to the Republican caucus to do something about Obamacre.

Maybe the 35th time's a charm.
 
2013-01-13 01:32:38 AM

Superjoe: By their reasoning, shouldn't the body have shut that shiat down, preventing a pregnancy?

Let's face it, they have no reason, they are just pro-rapist. I have no idea why, but they are.


You're not allowed to kill a person who is accused of rape. Help! Anti-murder laws are pro-rapist! Everything one does is pro-rapist if you spin it hard enough.
 
2013-01-13 01:33:44 AM
Thank you subby for using the term I've been trying to coin for the past few months. I hope it takes off and helps to destroy those scumbags
 
2013-01-13 01:34:57 AM

Confabulat: Just die off already. Sane America doesn't want you.


On the actuarial life tables, where do you think you fall in relation to Paul Ryan?
 
2013-01-13 01:37:03 AM

Mrbogey: Confabulat: Just die off already. Sane America doesn't want you.

On the actuarial life tables, where do you think you fall in relation to Paul Ryan?


I'm surprised I've lived as long as I have. Point to Ryan.
 
2013-01-13 01:38:04 AM

Mrbogey: Confabulat: Just die off already. Sane America doesn't want you.

On the actuarial life tables, where do you think you fall in relation to Paul Ryan?


Jebus Christ, he didn't even mention Ryan, you farking genius.

The white-haired, frightened, bigoted asshats that keep that sorry party deeply committed to recreating the dark ages is who he's talking about.

Not that I speak for Confabulat, but I'm pretty sure that's who he meant.
 
2013-01-13 01:38:40 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Thank you subby for using the term I've been trying to coin for the past few months. I hope it takes off and helps to destroy those scumbags


Uh huh... you coined the term. You're a regular Steve Allen
 
2013-01-13 01:40:31 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Jebus Christ, he didn't even mention Ryan, you farking genius.


Well it is the guy "who is talking" that the thread is about.
 
2013-01-13 01:42:56 AM
It really seems that the GOP had decided to absolutely wrong on everything.


Personally I think the only thing a rapist should get if they got their victim with child is a bill. No mercy should be given to them and the only role in that child's life they should ever have is to be a name on a check.
 
2013-01-13 01:42:57 AM

Confabulat: I like listening to Republicans talk. It makes it so much easier to laugh at anyone who claims to vote for those ignorant lunatics.

Just die off already. Sane America doesn't want you. Grab your goddamn guns and go hide in the woods like you want.


You hear only what you want to hear as long as it supports your beliefs. Not all republicans are gun happy or even care to own a gun. We just have a little more respect for that ammedment that allows us to possess a gun. Does it make us any better than you? Prolly not, but it doesn't bunch up our panties as much as it seems to bunch up yours.

Live in the woods- I thought that was the fare of tree huggers. The irony of the whole thing is I hear far more threat of violence and banishment- aside from the general frothy hate-- from the anti-gun nutters than the gun lubbers.
 
2013-01-13 01:46:19 AM
This...

clowncar on fire: You hear only what you want to hear as long as it supports your beliefs.


was followed by this...

clowncar on fire: The irony of the whole thing is I hear far more threat of violence and banishment- aside from the general frothy hate-- from the anti-gun nutters than the gun lubbers.


and was said without a hint of irony.
 
2013-01-13 01:46:59 AM
No what it does is let them sue to stop an abortion. That thing you said subby is a lot less crazy.
 
2013-01-13 01:47:55 AM
ok. maybe not irony. maybe just good old fashioned hypocrisy.
 
2013-01-13 01:50:35 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Thank you subby for using the term I've been trying to coin for the past few months. I hope it takes off and helps to destroy those scumbags


So you're basically running on a platform of name-calling. Poli-schill 101. How very sophmoric and everything that is wrong with politics today. Spin it and run with it likes it's the truth. At least you're giving the Bush option a break for a while so you got that going for you.
 
2013-01-13 01:52:48 AM

Mrbogey: Lionel Mandrake: Jebus Christ, he didn't even mention Ryan, you farking genius.

Well it is the guy "who is talking" that the thread is about.


Take another (or a first) look at the part you left out of your response:

I like listening to Republicans talk. It makes it so much easier to laugh at anyone who claims to vote for those ignorant lunatics.

Now, combine that with the first.

Just die off already. Sane America doesn't want you. Grab your goddamn guns and go hide in the woods like you want.

"Just die off already" seems to indicate that he is talking to someone who is - according to actuary tables - near death.  This means old people.  I guess it could mean people with tertiary syphilis, but I'm going with old people.

These old people are the Republican he laughs at.

Why?  Because they vote for ignorant lunatics.

Who are these ignorant lunatics, you ask?  Why, Paul Ryan and others like him.

Ergo:  Hurry up and die old people who vote for lunatics like Paul Ryan.

But, you read: YOU GO TO HELL PAUL RYAN!  YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!!1!

Then retort with a "he'll outlive you, huh huh huh"

Reading comprehension: it has a good for you!

Anyway, that's how I read it.
 
2013-01-13 01:53:48 AM

clowncar on fire: Confabulat: I like listening to Republicans talk. It makes it so much easier to laugh at anyone who claims to vote for those ignorant lunatics.

Just die off already. Sane America doesn't want you. Grab your goddamn guns and go hide in the woods like you want.

You hear only what you want to hear as long as it supports your beliefs. Not all republicans are gun happy or even care to own a gun. We just have a little more respect for that ammedment that allows us to possess a gun. Does it make us any better than you? Prolly not, but it doesn't bunch up our panties as much as it seems to bunch up yours.

Live in the woods- I thought that was the fare of tree huggers. The irony of the whole thing is I hear far more threat of violence and banishment- aside from the general frothy hate-- from the anti-gun nutters than the gun lubbers.


All I hear from Republicans is ignorant, backwoods, paranoid cowardly superstitious bullshiat. I wouldn't trust a Republican to watch my cat, because I don't trust their mental stability. I might trust one to balance my bank account though, because money is really important in their world. And ignorance.
 
2013-01-13 01:54:21 AM

Superjoe: Let's face it, they have no reason, they are just pro-rapist. I have no idea why, but they are.


I can't decide if it's actually "pro-rape" or "trying to keep women powerless." I think this should concern even pro-life women, but they'll be too busy dancing in the streets with glee.
 
2013-01-13 01:54:58 AM
Name one thing Republicans stand for in the science or academic fields they can be proud of.

one.
 
2013-01-13 01:55:35 AM

Confabulat: I might trust one to balance my bank account though,


I wouldn't
 
2013-01-13 01:58:39 AM
i14.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-13 02:03:32 AM

dickfreckle: Superjoe: Let's face it, they have no reason, they are just pro-rapist. I have no idea why, but they are.

I can't decide if it's actually "pro-rape" or "trying to keep women powerless." I think this should concern even pro-life women, but they'll be too busy dancing in the streets with glee.


Oh for the love of God, would someone please explain to me why this is pro-rapist and not pro biological father to be who may, in a very small percentage of the cases, happened to be a "father" as a result of having raped someone?

This bill is about giving both parties a chance to have their say in an abortion. Unfortunately, rapists occasionally impregnate their victims and are granted coverage under this law is well. Isn't it that way with every law or bill ever written? that it offered equal protection(?) to all whether criminal or law abiding citizen?
 
2013-01-13 02:04:15 AM
Ryan's bill would also require that there is a criminal investigation every time a woman has a miscarriage.

The guy is a real dirtbag.
 
2013-01-13 02:04:49 AM

Fart_Machine: Life begins at fertilization huh? That's going to make for some craaaaaazy census figures.


Get your lib nonsence out of here. Life begins as soon as I have a "semi."
 
2013-01-13 02:04:51 AM

clowncar on fire: The irony of the whole thing is I hear far more threat of violence and banishment- aside from the general frothy hate-- from the anti-gun nutters than the gun lubbers.


Yeah, I remember when those anti-gun nutters threatened to kill people, or start a revolution.

"You can have my granola when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!"
 
2013-01-13 02:06:03 AM

clowncar on fire: Oh for the love of God, would someone please explain to me why this is pro-rapist


clowncar on fire: Unfortunately, rapists occasionally impregnate their victims and are granted coverage under this law is well.


Looks like you did a great job of answering your own question. How efficient of you.
 
2013-01-13 02:10:09 AM

clowncar on fire: Unfortunately, rapists occasionally impregnate their victims and are granted coverage under this law is well. Isn't it that way with every law or bill ever written?


yet these whiny libs just gotta complain about it. am I right? pffft...it's only something like 32000 rape babies a year. split milk.
 
2013-01-13 02:11:12 AM

Mrbogey: Smeggy Smurf: Thank you subby for using the term I've been trying to coin for the past few months. I hope it takes off and helps to destroy those scumbags

Uh huh... you coined the term. You're a regular Steve Allen


Great minds think alike. You should join us.
 
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