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(Starpulse)   '1600 Penn' can't escape 'West Wing'. There's that, and the fact the President defended Earf back in 1996 from an alien invasion   (starpulse.com) divider line 84
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2013-01-12 01:04:15 PM  
Based on the previews I saw, I figured the oldest kid would be the downfall of the show since even in a 30 or 60 second clip you can tell he's trying too hard to be Jonah Hill or Chris Farley... And if the previews are his best lines, then he doesn't have the writers backing him that those other two had, either.
 
2013-01-12 01:22:13 PM  
or there's the fact that it's a sitcom.
 
2013-01-12 01:32:44 PM  
I caught a couple of episodes last week.  Not bad, I guess there's potential, after all, it took Parks and Rec two seasons to find its legs.
 
2013-01-12 02:30:23 PM  
Of course it can't escape The West Wing, it's going to take probably a couple of decades for any show set in the White House to escape The West Wing.  It was too phenomenal of a show for the comparisons to stop.
 
2013-01-12 03:01:36 PM  

Gig103: Based on the previews I saw, I figured the oldest kid would be the downfall of the show since even in a 30 or 60 second clip you can tell he's trying too hard to be Jonah Hill or Chris Farley... And if the previews are his best lines, then he doesn't have the writers backing him that those other two had, either.


He's basically playing the exact same character on the show that he did in Book of Mormon--well intentioned dumbass who unwittingly causes problems and then fixes them by being so gosh darned good natured and finding a solution through his simple outlook. It's what they hired him to do. He's a Gilligan.
 
2013-01-12 03:40:06 PM  
It's got a lot of potential, but it's early enough so that it could really go either way at this point. You can't judge a TV show on the first couple of episodes, and even the first season sometimes.

If we did we wouldn't have a lot of classics.
 
2013-01-12 03:42:31 PM  

HulkHands: or there's the fact that it's a sitcom.



So, it can't escape That's My Bush?
 
2013-01-12 04:14:07 PM  

GAT_00: Of course it can't escape The West Wing, it's going to take probably a couple of decades for any show set in the White House to escape The West Wing.  It was too phenomenal of a show for the comparisons to stop.


THIS
and

Sybarite: So, it can't escape That's My Bush?


THAT

In the end, both parts have been done, so it is bad derivative at best and network shiat at worst.
YAWN
It will be canceled quick enough. Why would anyone let it run a few years to get its legs unless it is DIRT cheap??
 
2013-01-12 04:30:01 PM  

Gig103: Based on the previews I saw, I figured the oldest kid would be the downfall of the show since even in a 30 or 60 second clip you can tell he's trying too hard to be Jonah Hill or Chris Farley... And if the previews are his best lines, then he doesn't have the writers backing him that those other two had, either.


Isn't he a Tony Award winning actor for the Book of Mormon?.
 
2013-01-12 05:18:24 PM  
Been re-watching TWW now that its on Netflix. Seasons 4 and 5 aren't that bad, actually.
 
2013-01-12 05:23:20 PM  

DamnYankees: Been re-watching TWW now that its on Netflix. Seasons 4 and 5 aren't that bad, actually.


From Access to the campaigns is the real bad stretch.
 
2013-01-12 05:26:53 PM  

GAT_00: DamnYankees: Been re-watching TWW now that its on Netflix. Seasons 4 and 5 aren't that bad, actually.

From Access to the campaigns is the real bad stretch.


Ya I'm not there yes. I just watched The Stormy Present, and so far season 5 is ok. I've only seen these episodes once and I remember them being worse.
 
2013-01-12 05:37:04 PM  

DamnYankees: Been re-watching TWW now that its on Netflix. Seasons 4 and 5 aren't that bad, actually.


I started at the beginning, and this is my first time through it. I think Season 5 got pretty bad until "The Supremes". It seemed to lose all the wit and back-and-forth barbs. The only barbs were real, like Toby vs. Will (I'm sick of that story line, why is the VP's guy around all the time?).
 
2013-01-12 05:44:19 PM  
Am I the only one that can clearly hear that Will Smith said "Earth" and not "Erf?" Why does everyone insist he ebonics it up?
 
2013-01-12 05:50:32 PM  

Gig103: Based on the previews I saw, I figured the oldest kid would be the downfall of the show since even in a 30 or 60 second clip you can tell he's trying too hard to be Jonah Hill or Chris Farley... And if the previews are his best lines, then he doesn't have the writers backing him that those other two had, either.


He's one of the creators and is going to be a Chris Farley type for the length of the show.  Which will probably be another month or so.
 
2013-01-12 06:03:18 PM  
Subby got my hopes up that this was actually some kind of sequel to ID4.  16 years later and the same president benevolent dictator runs what we've managed to put together of the post apocalyptic remains of our planet, but one man (cyborg jack bauer) continues to fight for freedom.

/ Special guest starring Will Smith as Cyborg Bauer's war hero butler/sidekick.
// No really, I'd watch it.
 
2013-01-12 06:19:27 PM  

Shadowknight: Am I the only one that can clearly hear that Will Smith said "Earth" and not "Erf?" Why does everyone insist he ebonics it up?


Because it annoys people?
 
2013-01-12 06:40:07 PM  

Gig103: DamnYankees: Been re-watching TWW now that its on Netflix. Seasons 4 and 5 aren't that bad, actually.

I started at the beginning, and this is my first time through it. I think Season 5 got pretty bad until "The Supremes". It seemed to lose all the wit and back-and-forth barbs. The only barbs were real, like Toby vs. Will (I'm sick of that story line, why is the VP's guy around all the time?).


The Supremes is my favorite episode and the last high point for a while.  It's honestly pretty bad in most of S5 and it gets worse in S6.  Keep watching though, I promise it really does get a lot better and the campaigns are fantastic.
 
2013-01-12 07:00:35 PM  

Shadowknight: Am I the only one that can clearly hear that Will Smith said "Earth" and not "Erf?" Why does everyone insist he ebonics it up?


You mean Will Smiff?
 
2013-01-12 07:08:12 PM  

Shadowknight: Am I the only one that can clearly hear that Will Smith said "Earth" and not "Erf?" Why does everyone insist he ebonics it up?


You're racist for asking that question.
 
2013-01-12 07:14:11 PM  
I saw an episode and I feel like it's also going to be hard to escape the fact that it's a terrible show.
 
2013-01-12 07:24:19 PM  
The daughter is hot.
 
2013-01-12 07:24:30 PM  

Shadowknight: Am I the only one that can clearly hear that Will Smith said "Earth" and not "Erf?" Why does everyone insist he ebonics it up?


So I quoted the "welcome to Errf" line for some reason to my wife and she asked me what it was from. And I'm like, "what is it from?!" So I queue up the YouTube clip from that scene from the movie. I'm all...wait for it...wait for it... then the line, "Welcome to EARTH!"

Then I'm all "Hmm, we'll... OK never mind."
 
2013-01-12 07:26:01 PM  
I can see Independence Day coming to mind, but I'd argue that Spaceballs is really the defining Pullman movie, if only because the Serpent and the Rainbow is so creepy I don't like to thnk about it.

www.rankopedia.com
 
2013-01-12 07:28:04 PM  
Can't we just get some more episodes of Veep? That was a ridiculously short season.
 
2013-01-12 08:03:31 PM  

Smell the Glove: Shadowknight: Am I the only one that can clearly hear that Will Smith said "Earth" and not "Erf?" Why does everyone insist he ebonics it up?

So I quoted the "welcome to Errf" line for some reason to my wife and she asked me what it was from. And I'm like, "what is it from?!" So I queue up the YouTube clip from that scene from the movie. I'm all...wait for it...wait for it... then the line, "Welcome to EARTH!"

Then I'm all "Hmm, we'll... OK never mind."


Thank you!
 
2013-01-12 08:16:58 PM  

Sybarite: HulkHands: or there's the fact that it's a sitcom.


So, it can't escape That's My Bush?


I just came in to point out it was a shame that show was derailed by 9/11. Can't make fun of the Prez in a time of crisis, I guess...or something like that.
 
2013-01-12 08:24:54 PM  

PainInTheASP: I caught a couple of episodes last week.  Not bad, I guess there's potential, after all, it took Parks and Rec two seasons to find its legs.


And my turds have a potential to help a daisy grow.

That sort of made sense to me as I was waking up.
 
2013-01-12 08:44:30 PM  

bukketmaster: I can see Independence Day coming to mind, but I'd argue that Spaceballs is really the defining Pullman movie, if only because the Serpent and the Rainbow is so creepy I don't like to thnk about it.

[www.rankopedia.com image 350x361]


Don't forget Zero Effect, a widely under-appreciated film.

This is a shame for Pullman. Of all the roles he takes, he revisits his role from freaking Independence Day??
 
2013-01-12 08:49:07 PM  
So it took this long for a tv version of "First Family?"
 
2013-01-12 08:50:26 PM  
One of these days, Laura, I'm going to punch you in the face!
 
2013-01-12 08:51:41 PM  

bukketmaster: I can see Independence Day coming to mind, but I'd argue that Spaceballs is really the defining Pullman movie, if only because the Serpent and the Rainbow is so creepy I don't like to thnk about it.

[www.rankopedia.com image 350x361]


"Ruthless People." I'M ROBBING YOU!!
 
2013-01-12 08:51:56 PM  

blue_2501: bukketmaster: I can see Independence Day coming to mind, but I'd argue that Spaceballs is really the defining Pullman movie, if only because the Serpent and the Rainbow is so creepy I don't like to thnk about it.

[www.rankopedia.com image 350x361]

Don't forget Zero Effect, a widely under-appreciated film.

This is a shame for Pullman. Of all the roles he takes, he revisits his role from freaking Independence Day??


Zero Effect is very good. Also check out The End of Violence. A slow burn, but rewarding.
 
2013-01-12 08:59:15 PM  

blue_2501: bukketmaster: I can see Independence Day coming to mind, but I'd argue that Spaceballs is really the defining Pullman movie, if only because the Serpent and the Rainbow is so creepy I don't like to thnk about it.

[www.rankopedia.com image 350x361]

Don't forget Zero Effect, a widely under-appreciated film.

This is a shame for Pullman. Of all the roles he takes, he revisits his role from freaking Independence Day??


I think it's because he played president both times, not because of it being a highly iconic role.
 
2013-01-12 09:00:44 PM  

Gig103: (I'm sick of that story line, why is the VP's guy around all the time?).


Because dammit, someone in the writing staff wanted a Sam 2.0.
 
2013-01-12 09:01:13 PM  
nothing about that how seemed funny in the previews and the best they can seem to come up with the robots roaming the sky which is as far from funny as the clap.
 
2013-01-12 09:04:38 PM  
Best parts of the West Wing.

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images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-12 09:05:03 PM  

blue_2501: bukketmaster: I can see Independence Day coming to mind, but I'd argue that Spaceballs is really the defining Pullman movie, if only because the Serpent and the Rainbow is so creepy I don't like to thnk about it.

[www.rankopedia.com image 350x361]

Don't forget Zero Effect, a widely under-appreciated film.

This is a shame for Pullman. Of all the roles he takes, he revisits his role from freaking Independence Day??


Better than Torchwood.
 
2013-01-12 09:06:30 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Shadowknight: Am I the only one that can clearly hear that Will Smith said "Earth" and not "Erf?" Why does everyone insist he ebonics it up?

You mean Will Smiff?


I think he meant Woll Smoth.
 
2013-01-12 09:11:15 PM  

feanorn: blue_2501: bukketmaster: I can see Independence Day coming to mind, but I'd argue that Spaceballs is really the defining Pullman movie, if only because the Serpent and the Rainbow is so creepy I don't like to thnk about it.

[www.rankopedia.com image 350x361]

Don't forget Zero Effect, a widely under-appreciated film.

This is a shame for Pullman. Of all the roles he takes, he revisits his role from freaking Independence Day??

Zero Effect is very good. Also check out The End of Violence. A slow burn, but rewarding.


Frailty is pretty good, too.
 
2013-01-12 09:11:54 PM  

fusillade762: Frailty is pretty good, too.


I'm not sure if this is a joke or not.
 
2013-01-12 09:12:12 PM  
FTFA:  1600 Penn is a show struggling for an identity whilst being haunted by the ghosts of a long cancelled show, that outdid it every conceivable way.

Was it cancelled? I always assumed it just ran it course.

And no West Wing thread is complete without this exchance:


Are you telling me that not only did you invent a secret plan to fight inflation, but now you don't support it?
 
2013-01-12 09:13:23 PM  

YodaBlues: Was it cancelled? I always assumed it just ran it course.

And no West Wing thread is complete without this exchance:


It was technically cancelled.
 
2013-01-12 09:17:11 PM  
It should have started with 2 families competing against each other to get into the white house. More opportunity for random situations. Then, if it takes off, you can write the more popular characters into permanent roles
 
2013-01-12 09:17:20 PM  

DamnYankees: YodaBlues: Was it cancelled? I always assumed it just ran it course.

And no West Wing thread is complete without this exchance:

It was technically cancelled.


Ahh, interesting, just googled it and read some background. Never knew. I didn't catch the series until years after it was already off the air. Seen it in it's entirety twice so far, probably watch it again now that it's on Netflix. I always felt it wrapped up real nice though and am kind of glad they didn't try to stretch it out. It had pretty much run it's course over 8 years, plus let's be honest, Santos was never as interesting as Bartlett.
 
2013-01-12 09:21:51 PM  

YodaBlues: DamnYankees: YodaBlues: Was it cancelled? I always assumed it just ran it course.

And no West Wing thread is complete without this exchance:

It was technically cancelled.

Ahh, interesting, just googled it and read some background. Never knew. I didn't catch the series until years after it was already off the air. Seen it in it's entirety twice so far, probably watch it again now that it's on Netflix. I always felt it wrapped up real nice though and am kind of glad they didn't try to stretch it out. It had pretty much run it's course over 8 years, plus let's be honest, Santos was never as interesting as Bartlett.


True, but Vinick was. There was talk at the time that Vinick might win, the The West Wing would then go on as essentially a spin-off of itself, with an entirely new group of people in the White House.
 
2013-01-12 09:22:40 PM  

YodaBlues: FTFA:  1600 Penn is a show struggling for an identity whilst being haunted by the ghosts of a long cancelled show, that outdid it every conceivable way.

Was it cancelled? I always assumed it just ran it course.

And no West Wing thread is complete without this exchance:


Are you telling me that not only did you invent a secret plan to fight inflation, but now you don't support it?


I miss that show so very much.
It is too bad that they canceled it after 4 seasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLnWOp5nEww
 
2013-01-12 09:30:51 PM  

Shadowknight: Am I the only one that can clearly hear that Will Smith said "Earth" and not "Erf?" Why does everyone insist he ebonics it up?


Whether or not Smith actually says Erf or Earth (I hear it as Erf), I never considered it an ebonics thing. I'm white and I have the same issue. I have a lot of trouble making the 'th' sound at the end of words; not as many problems if it's at the start. My linguistics friend called it a voiceless theta lisp or a voiceless fricative lisp, or something like that.
 
2013-01-12 09:44:39 PM  

DamnYankees: True, but Vinick was. There was talk at the time that Vinick might win, the The West Wing would then go on as essentially a spin-off of itself, with an entirely new group of people in the White House.


Which would've been awesome.

I think that was the intention, actually. John Wells (the producer and showrunner) said that Vinick was going to win the election, and then John Spencer (Leo) died suddenly. They figured it was too harsh to have Leo die, *and* have Santos lose the election, so they changed it.

But a Vinick version of TWW would've been really interesting. I'm not a fan of Alan Alda, but Vinick was a great character. One of the very few non-main-cast members that was interesting. The others being Bruno and Oliver.
 
2013-01-12 10:00:19 PM  
I gave it a shot, it's horrendously bad. Not funny, trying too hard. Poorly written, the acting is mediocre. I can't believe shiat like this gets greenlit.
 
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