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(The Daily Beast)   Bloomberg's latest puritan venture: a crackdown on pain medications. Arthritis? Suck it up, old lady. A mugger took your meds? Too farking bad. As for washing down your last pill with a soda - say, does the name Abner Louima ring a bell?   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 112
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2013-01-12 11:00:08 AM  
Does the mayor have the power to regulate hospitals?
 
2013-01-12 11:02:25 AM  

cman: Does the mayor have the power to regulate hospitals?


Disregard this, I skipped over the word "public"
 
2013-01-12 11:16:46 AM  
in this country, if you need pain killers then we consider you weak.  politicians don't believe in 'long term chronic pain'.  to them, that's just a code word for 'drug addict'.  they expect you to tough it out, walk it off.  man up and stop being a nancy boy.  pain?  it's just a word.  be macho, don't admit to being weak.  And if you can't hack it?  hey, not their problem.  you'll find a way to deal with it right?

oh and forget about going black market for your drugs.  they catch you doing that, you'll lose whatever you've got left: freedom, your house, your career.  suffer in pain an agony because THAT'S what this country is all about!
 
2013-01-12 11:21:07 AM  
A friend of mine is an EMT. From what he's been telling me, there is a huge problem with people seeking drugs at the emergency room. Staff there will ask them to rate their pain on a scale of 1 to 10. Of course, they rate it as "10". Never mind that if the pain was really that bad, they'd be incapacitated. The doctors on call will always opt to issue the pain killers rather than take the chance that the patient is just there to seek drugs. This is what we see happening in Georgia, but I'm sure the situation is similar in NY.

Abuse of the system is rampant. I can't blame him for wanting to do something about it.
 
2013-01-12 11:21:47 AM  

Weaver95: in this country, if you need pain killers then we consider you weak.


do you live in ManlyCowboy County Wyoming or something? This has not been my experience at all. I don't anyone who has been prescribed pain killers that has been looked down on.
 
2013-01-12 11:23:03 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Weaver95: in this country, if you need pain killers then we consider you weak.

do you live in ManlyCowboy County Wyoming or something? This has not been my experience at all. I don't anyone who has been prescribed pain killers that has been looked down on.


I live in the land of Santorum and evangelicals.  the wilds of Central Pennsylvania...where men are men and sheep are nervous.
 
2013-01-12 11:23:31 AM  
I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not. Doctors will throw farking narcotics at my mom like Pez, but she had to research for months to find the one doctor in town who would give her (or anybody else, for that matter) a medical card, and she later damn near got kicked out of another doctor's office for saying she was using marijuana to control the pain from her lupus. Not to mention, she can go get the vics from any pharmacy in town, but the marijuana dispensary she uses has to be so farking secretive that you sign up at an office that doesn't actually have any stock of marijuana on premises; instead, you *must* have them deliver to you, so that the location of their warehouse can remain a secret.
 
2013-01-12 11:26:31 AM  

HeartBurnKid: I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not. Doctors will throw farking narcotics at my mom like Pez, but she had to research for months to find the one doctor in town who would give her (or anybody else, for that matter) a medical card, and she later damn near got kicked out of another doctor's office for saying she was using marijuana to control the pain from her lupus. Not to mention, she can go get the vics from any pharmacy in town, but the marijuana dispensary she uses has to be so farking secretive that you sign up at an office that doesn't actually have any stock of marijuana on premises; instead, you *must* have them deliver to you, so that the location of their warehouse can remain a secret.


A more cynical person than I might point out the high profit margins on narcotics for well-connected pharmaceutical companies.
 
2013-01-12 11:27:39 AM  

HeartBurnKid: I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not


Cannabis makes Messicans lazy, makes colored boys play jazz music and look at white women, and can be used to make paper that's of higher quality than wood-based newsprint.
 
2013-01-12 11:29:39 AM  

Weaver95: in this country, if you need pain killers then we consider you weak.  politicians don't believe in 'long term chronic pain'.  to them, that's just a code word for 'drug addict'.  they expect you to tough it out, walk it off.  man up and stop being a nancy boy.  pain?  it's just a word.  be macho, don't admit to being weak.  And if you can't hack it?  hey, not their problem.  you'll find a way to deal with it right?

oh and forget about going black market for your drugs.  they catch you doing that, you'll lose whatever you've got left: freedom, your house, your career.  suffer in pain an agony because THAT'S what this country is all about!


I've said it before, I'll say it again. We need a "sad but true" button.
 
2013-01-12 11:30:11 AM  

HeartBurnKid: I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not. Doctors will throw farking narcotics at my mom like Pez, but she had to research for months to find the one doctor in town who would give her (or anybody else, for that matter) a medical card, and she later damn near got kicked out of another doctor's office for saying she was using marijuana to control the pain from her lupus. Not to mention, she can go get the vics from any pharmacy in town, but the marijuana dispensary she uses has to be so farking secretive that you sign up at an office that doesn't actually have any stock of marijuana on premises; instead, you *must* have them deliver to you, so that the location of their warehouse can remain a secret.


starbaseatlanta.com

/Obligatory
 
2013-01-12 11:30:19 AM  

HeartBurnKid: I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not. Doctors will throw farking narcotics at my mom like Pez, but she had to research for months to find the one doctor in town who would give her (or anybody else, for that matter) a medical card, and she later damn near got kicked out of another doctor's office for saying she was using marijuana to control the pain from her lupus. Not to mention, she can go get the vics from any pharmacy in town, but the marijuana dispensary she uses has to be so farking secretive that you sign up at an office that doesn't actually have any stock of marijuana on premises; instead, you *must* have them deliver to you, so that the location of their warehouse can remain a secret.


Never used Vicodin or Percocet myself, but from what I hear, weed is a much more effective pain killer, as well as being much less addictive and having fewer negative side effects.
 
2013-01-12 11:31:09 AM  

qorkfiend: HeartBurnKid: I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not. Doctors will throw farking narcotics at my mom like Pez, but she had to research for months to find the one doctor in town who would give her (or anybody else, for that matter) a medical card, and she later damn near got kicked out of another doctor's office for saying she was using marijuana to control the pain from her lupus. Not to mention, she can go get the vics from any pharmacy in town, but the marijuana dispensary she uses has to be so farking secretive that you sign up at an office that doesn't actually have any stock of marijuana on premises; instead, you *must* have them deliver to you, so that the location of their warehouse can remain a secret.

A more cynical person than I might point out the high profit margins on narcotics for well-connected pharmaceutical companies.


NOOOOOOOO! That CAN'T be it! It CAN'T be that cannabis is relatively easy to grow, has a ridiculously low cost to purchase, and is safer than any other pain medication on the market!!

/who could BE so cynical??
//OR SO SARCASTIC?!!
 
2013-01-12 11:33:15 AM  

LectertheChef: Never used Vicodin or Percocet myself, but from what I hear, weed is a much more effective pain killer, as well as being much less addictive and having fewer negative side effects.


Yeah, not really. When I have my once in a blue moon lower back pain from hell, if I'm lucky enough to find a vicodin it'll completely knock the pain out in 20-30 minutes, especially if I chase it with a beer. I can toke down until I'm jelly and the back pain is still there.
 
2013-01-12 11:35:04 AM  

LectertheChef: HeartBurnKid: I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not. Doctors will throw farking narcotics at my mom like Pez, but she had to research for months to find the one doctor in town who would give her (or anybody else, for that matter) a medical card, and she later damn near got kicked out of another doctor's office for saying she was using marijuana to control the pain from her lupus. Not to mention, she can go get the vics from any pharmacy in town, but the marijuana dispensary she uses has to be so farking secretive that you sign up at an office that doesn't actually have any stock of marijuana on premises; instead, you *must* have them deliver to you, so that the location of their warehouse can remain a secret.

Never used Vicodin or Percocet myself, but from what I hear, weed is a much more effective pain killer, as well as being much less addictive and having fewer negative side effects.


I never had much luck with weed beig a pain killer, it's more of an additional supplement, my wife hated it for her mensies,
 
2013-01-12 11:35:52 AM  
shhh... don't tell the mayor, the doctors, the pain patients, or the addicts about poppy pod tea, which can easily be made at home out of legal ingredients easily found online, and which People Who Aren't Me seem to think is a more pleasant and much longer lasting pain relief experience than most anything short of heroin or fentanyl.
 
2013-01-12 11:37:14 AM  
It's for the greater good. And whenever you hear the words, "For the greater good", you should RUN!
 
2013-01-12 11:38:19 AM  
On two separate occasions I've driven nutty neighbor ladies to their "Pain Management Center." It's basically a shooting gallery for older white ladies. These women get shot up with Demoral and Phenagren (to prevent the barfs) and come out all farked up. Like more farked up than I've seen real life heroin users and then I'd drive them back to their homes. They were using me as a ride, you have to sign a waiver that you'll be driving them back home. There are two or three of them right near the hospital. Amazing. I'm sure these places are nessacary and keep them out of emergency rooms but Nutty Neighbor #1 faked cancer and the #2 was just psychotic.
 
2013-01-12 11:38:22 AM  

Guuberre: A friend of mine is an EMT. From what he's been telling me, there is a huge problem with people seeking drugs at the emergency room. Staff there will ask them to rate their pain on a scale of 1 to 10. Of course, they rate it as "10". Never mind that if the pain was really that bad, they'd be incapacitated. The doctors on call will always opt to issue the pain killers rather than take the chance that the patient is just there to seek drugs. This is what we see happening in Georgia, but I'm sure the situation is similar in NY.

Abuse of the system is rampant. I can't blame him for wanting to do something about it.


A friend is an ER nurse, and he says we have the same problem here; I suspect this problem is everywhere. A big telltale sign is they do what you're talking about and also claim to be allergic to nsaids. Apparently that's how they figure it out sometimes. Someone ends up with a history of going to places with pain the doctors are never able to find a cause for, they don't seem to actually be in the kind of pain they claim, have no record of going to a primary physician or specialist for this debilitating mystery pain, and claim they are allergic to nsaids even though they can't accurately describe what happens if they take them.

Of course, what Weaver pointed out also applies to mental health and addictions in this country, so we'll never address the underlying problems that cause so many people to become drug seekers.
 
2013-01-12 11:39:00 AM  
I live in NY and my partner is having an Oxy intervention for his brother so this is relavent. Over-prescribed like whoah
 
2013-01-12 11:39:07 AM  
And so much for healthcare decisions being between doctor and patient. Thanks alot government!
 
2013-01-12 11:40:13 AM  
OxyContin...will not be dispensed at all

madmikesamerica.com
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!1!!!
 
2013-01-12 11:40:14 AM  

cchris_39: And so much for healthcare decisions being between doctor and patient. Thanks alot government!


But for-profit insurance getting between you and your doctor is fine and dandy, right?
 
2013-01-12 11:41:28 AM  

JolobinSmokin: LectertheChef: HeartBurnKid: I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not. Doctors will throw farking narcotics at my mom like Pez, but she had to research for months to find the one doctor in town who would give her (or anybody else, for that matter) a medical card, and she later damn near got kicked out of another doctor's office for saying she was using marijuana to control the pain from her lupus. Not to mention, she can go get the vics from any pharmacy in town, but the marijuana dispensary she uses has to be so farking secretive that you sign up at an office that doesn't actually have any stock of marijuana on premises; instead, you *must* have them deliver to you, so that the location of their warehouse can remain a secret.

Never used Vicodin or Percocet myself, but from what I hear, weed is a much more effective pain killer, as well as being much less addictive and having fewer negative side effects.

I never had much luck with weed beig a pain killer, it's more of an additional supplement, my wife hated it for her mensies,


Works great for my mom. I think it just depends on what kind of pain.
 
2013-01-12 11:42:59 AM  

Guuberre: A friend of mine is an EMT. From what he's been telling me, there is a huge problem with people seeking drugs at the emergency room. Staff there will ask them to rate their pain on a scale of 1 to 10. Of course, they rate it as "10". Never mind that if the pain was really that bad, they'd be incapacitated. The doctors on call will always opt to issue the pain killers rather than take the chance that the patient is just there to seek drugs. This is what we see happening in Georgia, but I'm sure the situation is similar in NY.

Abuse of the system is rampant. I can't blame him for wanting to do something about it.


Selling it over the counter would put an instant end to all this lawlessness.
 
2013-01-12 11:45:04 AM  
It's almost as if Bloomberg is an authoritarian with no reasonable limits on what he feels should be controlled by the government.

/I hope a robot steals all his pills.
 
2013-01-12 11:47:06 AM  

cchris_39: And so much for healthcare decisions being between doctor and patient. Thanks alot government!


Health care decisions have never been strictly between doctors and patients. Try asking your doctor to keep a secret from your insurance company some time. And, as for government involvement, you should probably consider yourself lucky for having been born after the time when local governments can and did impose draconian quarantines as a matter of course.
 
2013-01-12 11:47:44 AM  

HeartBurnKid: I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not. Doctors will throw farking narcotics at my mom like Pez, but she had to research for months to find the one doctor in town who would give her (or anybody else, for that matter) a medical card, and she later damn near got kicked out of another doctor's office for saying she was using marijuana to control the pain from her lupus. Not to mention, she can go get the vics from any pharmacy in town, but the marijuana dispensary she uses has to be so farking secretive that you sign up at an office that doesn't actually have any stock of marijuana on premises; instead, you *must* have them deliver to you, so that the location of their warehouse can remain a secret.




Remember, weed is as deadly dangerous as its schedule 1 brothers, cocaine and heroine.

Thousands die each year from weed overdoses, not to mention its being a gateway drug it others harder even more dangerous drug.

Blah people use weed as a recreational drug, it causes them to loose any semblance of control that may have had over their sexual drives and urges.

You mother is clearly part of the problem, I bet she's selling her leftovers if not all of it to kids.
 
2013-01-12 11:50:16 AM  
When I have a head cold I can't get more than one pack on real Sudafed every two weeks in a house with 5 people who are sick. My husband had a painful abscess in his tooth and they told him to take Tylenol at home and wait a few days until the antibiotics took the pressure down. Whe he asked for something stronger at the dentist he was told no. His doctor said the same thing. He ended up taking acetaminophen, ibuprofen, naproxen, and aspirin every few hours in a rotation just to not be rolling around on the couch.

Sure people seek medication but that shiat should be given out much more freely when you freaking have something wrong with you. I don't really care if some jackass wants to be on Vicodin all day unless they are operating motor vehicles or be smoking/eating marihuana . Why does anyone?
 
2013-01-12 11:52:11 AM  
Irresponsible vendors and doctors are to blame.

They managed to create a drug crisis in order to line their pockets.

And old people aren't provided oxycontin for arthritis.
 
2013-01-12 11:52:37 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!:
A friend is an ER nurse, and he says we have the same problem here; I suspect this problem is everywhere.


Isn't is so nice that we, as a society, have chosen to use the most expensive route - Emergency Rooms - as the method drug addicts can get their drugs? Letting them buy at a safe and well-regulated retail location would certainly free up a significant amount of time and resources for this important service.

*sigh*

Yet another "unintended side effect" all you people asking to drugs to be illegal are asking for.

Choosing to hand the profits from drugs to the violent gangs was bad enough; choosing to eat up the limited doctor's time in the ER is insane.
 
2013-01-12 11:52:47 AM  

qorkfiend: cchris_39: And so much for healthcare decisions being between doctor and patient. Thanks alot government!

But for-profit insurance getting between you and your doctor is fine and dandy, right?


You're right. We need single payor. An single omnipotent decision maker with no alternatives. You know, for the greater good.
 
2013-01-12 11:55:26 AM  

Raharu: HeartBurnKid: I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not. Doctors will throw farking narcotics at my mom like Pez, but she had to research for months to find the one doctor in town who would give her (or anybody else, for that matter) a medical card, and she later damn near got kicked out of another doctor's office for saying she was using marijuana to control the pain from her lupus. Not to mention, she can go get the vics from any pharmacy in town, but the marijuana dispensary she uses has to be so farking secretive that you sign up at an office that doesn't actually have any stock of marijuana on premises; instead, you *must* have them deliver to you, so that the location of their warehouse can remain a secret.



Remember, weed is as deadly dangerous as its schedule 1 brothers, cocaine and heroine.

Thousands die each year from weed overdoses, not to mention its being a gateway drug it others harder even more dangerous drug.

Blah people use weed as a recreational drug, it causes them to loose any semblance of control that may have had over their sexual drives and urges.

You mother is clearly part of the problem, I bet she's selling her leftovers if not all of it to kids.


Actually, cocaine and opium derivatives are on Schedule II - potentially dangerous but medically useful. Schedule I drugs like pot are deemed both dangerous and without legitimate medical purpose. That's right - under federal law, pot is more tightly controlled than cocaine or heroin.
 
2013-01-12 11:55:28 AM  
Several Vicodins would be needed to make the libertarian blather of Megan McArdle tolerable.
 
2013-01-12 11:55:38 AM  

HeartBurnKid: I've never understood why Vicodin and Percocet are OK, but cannabis is not.


Cannibis in small quantities is decriminalized in NYC. So... we got that going there.

/totally agree with you
 
2013-01-12 11:56:02 AM  

cchris_39: qorkfiend: cchris_39: And so much for healthcare decisions being between doctor and patient. Thanks alot government!

But for-profit insurance getting between you and your doctor is fine and dandy, right?

You're right. We need single payor. An single omnipotent decision maker with no alternatives. You know, for the greater good.


You do realize that even with single payer, you can still get private insurance, right?
 
2013-01-12 11:56:19 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Weaver95: in this country, if you need pain killers then we consider you weak.

do you live in ManlyCowboy County Wyoming or something? This has not been my experience at all. I don't anyone who has been prescribed pain killers that has been looked down on.


i have to second that emotion. PA is just up the road from me, it's all in your Weaver95 head me thinks. this is your POV. maybe you have friends, family or co-workers that make shiatty comments to you. sorry about that. perhaps you should keep your personal medical status to yourself and those dooshbags won't make crappy comments to you. wimp. now drop and give me twenty.

i take a crapload of mental health meds and other meds. due to instability i cry often, i have no control over it. being 6'-3" and over 350, no one comments negatively. at least not to my face. i'm blessed wit family that loves me. i don't need no stinkin' friends. i got FARK.
 
2013-01-12 11:57:31 AM  
lets see bloombutt's med list.

this guy has lost it.
 
2013-01-12 11:58:08 AM  

cchris_39: qorkfiend: cchris_39: And so much for healthcare decisions being between doctor and patient. Thanks alot government!

But for-profit insurance getting between you and your doctor is fine and dandy, right?

You're right. We need single payor. An single omnipotent decision maker with no alternatives. You know, for the greater good.


Are you kidding? Look, pal, I've been to Canada, and I barely escaped with my life. I still have nightmares about it.
 
2013-01-12 12:02:09 PM  

snuffy: lets see bloombutt's med list.

this guy has lost it.


I doubt Michael Bloomberg is going to a public hospital's ER for meds.
 
2013-01-12 12:03:28 PM  

BMulligan: cchris_39: qorkfiend: cchris_39: And so much for healthcare decisions being between doctor and patient. Thanks alot government!

But for-profit insurance getting between you and your doctor is fine and dandy, right?

You're right. We need single payor. An single omnipotent decision maker with no alternatives. You know, for the greater good.

Are you kidding? Look, pal, I've been to Canada, and I barely escaped with my life. I still have nightmares about it.


That's pretty scary. I heard that if you die in Canada, you die in real life.
 
2013-01-12 12:04:09 PM  

BMulligan: cchris_39: qorkfiend: cchris_39: And so much for healthcare decisions being between doctor and patient. Thanks alot government!

But for-profit insurance getting between you and your doctor is fine and dandy, right?

You're right. We need single payor. An single omnipotent decision maker with no alternatives. You know, for the greater good.

Are you kidding? Look, pal, I've been to Canada, and I barely escaped with my life. I still have nightmares about it.


That was sarcasm. Poking the liberal dream of a benevolent dictatorship.

My kid plays hockey in Canada sometimes too and you're right. All the parents have a deal - if one gets hurt GET THEM BACK HERE ASAP.
 
2013-01-12 12:08:06 PM  
Addicts are going to get their drugs anyway, so make Vicodin OTC.

/Sorry, too much time on the gun nut threads.
 
2013-01-12 12:08:25 PM  

cchris_39: BMulligan: cchris_39: qorkfiend: cchris_39: And so much for healthcare decisions being between doctor and patient. Thanks alot government!

But for-profit insurance getting between you and your doctor is fine and dandy, right?

You're right. We need single payor. An single omnipotent decision maker with no alternatives. You know, for the greater good.

Are you kidding? Look, pal, I've been to Canada, and I barely escaped with my life. I still have nightmares about it.

That was sarcasm. Poking the liberal dream of a benevolent dictatorship.

My kid plays hockey in Canada sometimes too and you're right. All the parents have a deal - if one gets hurt GET THEM BACK HERE ASAP.


Oh, sarcasm. I wouldn't know anything about that.
 
2013-01-12 12:15:47 PM  

qorkfiend: But for-profit insurance getting between you and your doctor is fine and dandy, right?


Pick your poison. Anything you and your doctor can't handle is going to be either a business decision or a political decision.
 
2013-01-12 12:19:21 PM  
Prescription pain meds work better for pain than weed, but they make me throw up half the time and they turn me into a drooling vegetable. While weed doesn't kill all the pain, at least I can function properly and I don't lose my charming and witty personality.
 
2013-01-12 12:19:52 PM  

pdkl95: Don't Troll Me Bro!:
A friend is an ER nurse, and he says we have the same problem here; I suspect this problem is everywhere....

Isn't is so nice that we, as a society, have chosen to use the most expensive route - Emergency Rooms - as the method drug addicts can get their drugs? ......


We seem to choose the most expensive option quite a lot in this country. After school programs for kids and treating our teachers with a little respect? Soshulizm! Union thugs! Giving birth control to drug addicts so we don't end up with more kids born into hopeless situations who end up being a burden to society for the next 60 years? Why should these welfare queens get something they didn't work for! etc. etc.

Until we get people to past the "American Exceptionalism" nonsense we won't get anywhere. I've had more arguments with people about wanting policies and infrastructure improvements that resemble those from more stable countries, to which I just hear some variant of "You want to be like European countries, so you hate Murika! If you think things are perfect in Norway you should move there! And don't forget to renounce your citizenship on your way out! We don't need you!" For instance, I've got an uncle that says we should outlaw traffic circles "because that's what they do in Europe." Never mind that they don't require electricity, have no parts to break unless someone goes off the road and takes out a sign, and reduce traffic fatalities at intersections by some insane number (like 97% was quoted in one journal I read at work a while back), and increase vehicle capacity rates without increasing the size of the intersection. Nope, it's what someone else does, so we shouldn't do that, cuz we're Murikans and we're exceptional!
 
2013-01-12 12:20:10 PM  

qorkfiend: snuffy: lets see bloombutt's med list.

this guy has lost it.

I doubt Michael Bloomberg is going to a public hospital's ER for meds.


where he gets his drugs is not my point.

i doubt his life is painless and i doubt he toughs it out.
 
2013-01-12 12:22:40 PM  
Crack down on the croakers, not the patients.
 
2013-01-12 12:24:30 PM  

snuffy: qorkfiend: snuffy: lets see bloombutt's med list.

this guy has lost it.

I doubt Michael Bloomberg is going to a public hospital's ER for meds.

where he gets his drugs is not my point.

i doubt his life is painless and i doubt he toughs it out.


And? You implied you had a point.
 
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