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2013-01-12 05:06:03 PM
5 votes:

MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?


Admit it, you hate the gays.
Also, you ever think those "ex-gays" never stopped being gay, but were just forced back into the closet? 'Cause that's what's happening. Being gay is not a choice. Being an asshole is, and I say you've chosen poorly.
2013-01-12 03:55:08 PM
5 votes:

MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.
2013-01-12 12:22:30 PM
4 votes:
This whole Gay thing is starting to become similar to how it was for the blacks before and during the Civil Rights movement.

Alabama was one of the states which would argue stubbornly how blacks were inferior and didn't deserve the rights given to other folks. They held on to many of their segregation laws long after other states had repealed their own.

It was a long, hard fight for Civil Rights and, apparently, Gays are going to have to face a similar one, encountering the same excuses that have been brought up for segregation over the decades. They're going to face massive walls of STUPID on all sides no matter what they do.

Legislators in the 'Bible Belt' are going to be particularly mule-headed.

I've suspected for ages that several Southern States just absolutely revel in being arse-holes. Their great-grand parents were, so were their grand folks, their Maw and Paw and now, they're carrying on the time honored tradition.
2013-01-12 11:30:04 AM
4 votes:
So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.
2013-01-12 05:45:57 PM
3 votes:

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?

Even granting for the sake of argument t ...


Also, there's the simple argument that bestiality and pedophilia require by definition one party that cannot consent. Heterosexual rape is heterosexual, but one party did not consent, and it is therefore illegal.

As for polygamy, as long as everyone is capable of consent and does consent, I really don't have a huge problem with it. Several countries today allow polygamy.
2013-01-12 05:39:07 PM
3 votes:

MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?


Even granting for the sake of argument that sexual orientation isn't a protected class, the fact remains that a ban on same-sex marriage is gender discrimination in exactly the same way that a ban on miscegenation was racial discrimination (a particular race/gender is mandated or excluded from your pool of potential spouses based upon your own race/gender).

Although there's more leeway for gender-based discrimination than race-based discrimination, you still need a much better reason than "Jesus says so" or "seems icky." Otherwise, yes, you look like a bigot who is opposed to fairness.
2013-01-12 05:18:38 PM
3 votes:

Curious: MBrady: Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior.

according to a number of studies it's also genetically predisposed. you can look it up if you like. yes folks are indeed born gay and no you can't pray it away. given this Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. i'll bow out and leave you to your bigotry.


Ahh, but here's how people like MBrady, and well, the entire ex-gay industry and indeed the entire right wing get away with saying that "Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior." By their definition, "homosexual" does not refer to attractions, it refers to behavior. If a person is not engaging in sexual  behaviorwith a person of the same sex, then by their definition the person is not "homosexual." They may be someone with "same sex attractions", but that just means they're a heterosexual with "temptations."

It's how ex-gay ministries say that they're successful. As long as someone isn't having sex with someone of the same sex, then by definition (where "homosexual" = "someone who has sex with persons of the same sex"), then the person can't possibly be a homosexual. It's why you'll hear proponents of ex-gay therapy refer to people as having "same sex attraction" or "SSA" but never, ever, refer to someone as "homosexual" or "gay" except as a behavior pattern or political identity.
2013-01-12 05:09:58 PM
3 votes:

MBrady: Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior.


according to a number of studies it's also genetically predisposed. you can look it up if you like. yes folks are indeed born gay and no you can't pray it away. given this Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. i'll bow out and leave you to your bigotry.
2013-01-12 04:13:42 PM
3 votes:

MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


F*ck off.
2013-01-12 03:44:52 PM
3 votes:

MBrady: Rik01: This whole Gay thing is starting to become similar to how it was for the blacks before and during the Civil Rights movement.

Alabama was one of the states which would argue stubbornly how blacks were inferior and didn't deserve the rights given to other folks. They held on to many of their segregation laws long after other states had repealed their own.

It was a long, hard fight for Civil Rights and, apparently, Gays are going to have to face a similar one, encountering the same excuses that have been brought up for segregation over the decades. They're going to face massive walls of STUPID on all sides no matter what they do.

Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


And why shouldn't someone be free to marry someone of the same sex? Who would be harmed by such a thing?

If a man can marry any woman he chooses, why can't a woman marry any woman she chooses?

If a woman can marry any man she chooses, why can't a man marry any man he chooses?

The fact that those last two questions even need to be asked is exactly why same-sex marriage is a civil rights issue.
2013-01-12 02:07:43 PM
3 votes:
Alabama education: first in football, last in every other metric
2013-01-12 11:40:26 AM
3 votes:

Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.


For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.
2013-01-12 08:04:11 PM
2 votes:
MBrady:
Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

By your "logic" then laws protecting people on their basis of their religion are ALSO invalid because religion is also chosen.

Or to use your own styling, "you will find many former Catholics...".

If your decision on marriage equality is based on your logic, then you'll have NO PROBLEM also arguing against religion choice as a protected class along WITH your "feelings" about orientation.
2013-01-12 05:24:27 PM
2 votes:
Ex-gay ministries are a scam and harmful to those it sucks in. Such institutions should be illegal, IMO.
2013-01-12 04:03:34 PM
2 votes:

Proteios1: Shouldn't be teaching homosexuality to minors anyways. The whole concept is stupid.


teaching, homosexuality or minors
which concept is stupid??

or is it just you that is stupid?
2013-01-12 03:48:50 PM
2 votes:

MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


So? Now straights have the right to marry anyone of the same sex too. No discrimination (that's a civil right) and nobody loses.
2013-01-12 02:42:52 PM
2 votes:
Last time I was visiting my relatives in Germany, I found out my cousin is gay. I was amazed (sorry) at how open and accepting they were about it.
My aunt and uncle were telling me he was bringing his boyfriend, and asked whether I had a problem with that.

I told them I was a guest in the home in which he was born and raised, and if I had a problem, I should be obligated to see myself out.

Anyways, what bothered me is I think they were asking if I had a problem because of my nationality, as if it could override bloodline or my love for my cousin. Not sure how European nations feel about it, though, to be honest, compared to us.
2013-01-12 02:27:43 PM
2 votes:

PsiChick: I'm amazed that some parent of a gay kid hasn't gone down there in utter fury yet. I'd probably be very politely indicating my desire to lawyer up if the school did that to my kid.


Because their child is already in "pray the gay away camp". No self respecting Alabamian would admit their child is gay, just "confused"

/seriously though it would probably be a giant sign for the derp brigade's neanderthal children that says mercilessly torture my child in school until he's old enough to drop out/graduate/kills himself.
2013-01-12 02:22:40 PM
2 votes:
I'm amazed that some parent of a gay kid hasn't gone down there in utter fury yet. I'd probably be very politely indicating my desire to lawyer up if the school did that to my kid.
2013-01-12 02:11:32 PM
2 votes:

zerkalo: Alabama education: first in football, last in every other metric


And Texas is jealous on both counts.
2013-01-12 12:29:07 PM
2 votes:
In addition to it being absolutely disgusting it is also factually wrong.

It is doubly factually wrong actually.  Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

I wonder if there is a State regulation or law against an official misrepresenting State law.
2013-01-12 12:23:19 PM
2 votes:
Goddammit. Hey science, get on that cloning thing. We need General Sherman NOW.
2013-01-12 12:07:55 PM
2 votes:
We understand several local high school principals quote this Alabama law as why they won't allow Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) clubs on their campuses, even now after the SCOTUS decision. The only reconciliation I can take away from the principals' attitudes is that it teaches young people life is not fair and one has to deal with asshats in life.

Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


I can understand, but the levels you refer to vary depending on what part of the Southeast one lives in.  While Huntsville, AL is better than lots of places in Alabama, you still get yahoos from the outlying areas coming in.  Austin, TX is a wonderful place to live in that state.

Also, other parts of the US have their own unique levels of ignorance and bigotry. I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.
2013-01-12 11:22:55 AM
2 votes:
People love to carry that Constitution thingy around in their pockets but aren't much on reading it. I'm sure they will continue to try and push their religious views into law forever.
2013-01-13 01:26:53 AM
1 votes:

ur14me: Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great


No, it's both. They are exercising their right to an opposing view. It's just a ignorant, bigoted view. Not all views are equally deserving of respect.
2013-01-12 11:44:09 PM
1 votes:

Lord Dimwit: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?

Even granting for ...


We could take an argument against "classifying people by their desires" to a conclusion that pedophiles should not be classified as such. Would those who believe homosexuals can select or control their desires be just as comfortable believing pedophilia is a lifestyle choice that's made in spite of risks of severe criminal and social penalties that some consider worse than death?
2013-01-12 08:54:12 PM
1 votes:

MBrady: Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.


Certainly for the vast majority of us, sexual preference is something at the core of our nature; that is, it is something that we are. You do not stop being heterosexual or homosexual if you stop engaging in sexual activities. But you know this, and are pretending you don't either to troll, or because acknowledging it would undermine your "point".
2013-01-12 08:22:53 PM
1 votes:

MBrady: Why is gay marriage miscegenation a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex same skin tone.


That, in a nutshell, is why. And stories like Matthew Shepard, who was killed for being gay.
2013-01-12 07:00:26 PM
1 votes:

RulerOfNone: rynthetyn: RulerOfNone: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.

Because it completely doesn't matter if the gay kids catch nasty STDs because they weren't taught anything about protection, right? Let the gay kids remain ignorant, catch HIV, and die, they don't matter anyway.

Was not even close to implying that. I was assuming that the whole "wrap it before you tap it" thing would only need to be taught once for both instances.


Well, you really need to think about what you're saying/suggesting because leaving mention of homosexuality out of sex-ed is going to end up with gay kids who are woefully uninformed about safe sex.
2013-01-12 06:54:23 PM
1 votes:

kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.


Well, there's also huge sections on topics like STDs and safe-sex. It's not just science/biology. And from a safe-sex and STD perspective, homosexual sex can be particularly risky if kids aren't educated properly.
2013-01-12 06:48:09 PM
1 votes:

RulerOfNone: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.


Because it completely doesn't matter if the gay kids catch nasty STDs because they weren't taught anything about protection, right? Let the gay kids remain ignorant, catch HIV, and die, they don't matter anyway.
2013-01-12 06:20:48 PM
1 votes:

kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.


Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.
2013-01-12 06:19:38 PM
1 votes:
To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.
2013-01-12 06:05:54 PM
1 votes:
And MBrady was never seen again.
2013-01-12 05:17:25 PM
1 votes:

Curious: MBrady: Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior.

according to a number of studies it's also genetically predisposed. you can look it up if you like. yes folks are indeed born gay and no you can't pray it away. given this Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. i'll bow out and leave you to your bigotry.


Of course you can pray it away. Just look at paragons of totally straight manly manliness like Ted Haggard and Marcus Bachmann.
They're both on their knees for Jesus every chance they get. Jesus, in this case, is the kid that trims the hedges at their houses.
2013-01-12 05:02:27 PM
1 votes:

eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.


Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?
2013-01-12 04:50:28 PM
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: MBrady: Lionel Mandrake: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

You're an idiot.

"Stop whining.  You have the right to be just like me!"

deeeeeerrp

Sigh. The morons are coming here.

"WAAAHHHHH!!! You don't like me because I don't conform to your laws."

That's it. Keep reeling em in.


The sad thing is, there really are people out there who think this way. And they vote.
2013-01-12 04:05:37 PM
1 votes:

MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


You're an idiot.

"Stop whining.  You have the right to be just like me!"

deeeeeerrp
2013-01-12 03:58:28 PM
1 votes:

Ilmarinen: ******: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

So? Now straights have the right to marry anyone of the same sex too. No discrimination (that's a civil right) and nobody loses.


I think we've been trolled.  That Farker meets the definition of threadshiatter.  And, for me, at least, he's now Farkied as such.
2013-01-12 03:37:02 PM
1 votes:

Lost Thought 00: So they have a law that requires teachers to lie to their students?

Simple solution: pass a new law, or better yet State Constitutional Amendment, that requires that teachers only tell the truth to their students, without enumerating specific instances. Who would vote against that?


Alabamans, for one.

People who genuinely believe that facts have a liberal bias, people who want to legally Jesus-ify the American History textbooks, people who believe that evolution is "just a theory" and want competing "theories" taught in biology classes (so long as the only competing theory taught is Creationism Intelligent Design), people who claim to be "pro-life" but want no effort to be made to prevent unwanted pregnancies or provide medical care for newborns and young children (and in fact want to increase the number of unwanted pregnancies and reduce the available medical care for newborns and children), and people who don't want anyone to remember that Republican policies which were passed by a Republican Congress and implemented by a Republican President named George W. Bush are what nearly destroyed America last decade.

But I repeat myself.
2013-01-12 03:36:24 PM
1 votes:

Via Infinito: atomic-age: GhostFish: It's on the books, but it's not enforced from what I've been told.

This came up on reddit, and lots of Alabamans chimed to in to say that they were never taught this way in school.

Yes, but Alabama is far more reactionary, regressive, and just plain horrible now. I graduated college in Alabama in 1994 and got the fark out. It's worse now.

Agreed. I graduated in 96 and finally escaped in 2000.
Every visit back there just reinforces all the reasons I left.


My hometown actually looks less shabby in the downtown area, but seeing the neighborhood I grew up in made me cry. My mother had a hard time selling her house to move to a smaller one. The Realturds™ refused to show the house to white people. Think about that for a minute. Rather than actually *try* to sell the house, they eliminated a substantial percentage of potential buyers because of some idea that the neighborhood should be 100% black. And apparently rental too.

By 2012, it was completely down at the heels. I recognized only two names on mailboxes. Some of that is due to the age of the neighbors, but still, it was hard to see cars on lawns, peeling paint, tired roofs, and general neglect. Some of those houses were absolute jewels of midcentury modern architecture. Our neighborhood was the first middle class one in town to welcome black families. It was a mixed neighborhood with many medical and educational professionals, as well as affluent blue collar workers. (Yes, I am old; I remember steel mills and tire factories that paid better than my parents' white collar jobs.) It was a really nice place to grow up. Everyone got along, and there was ZERO crime. Then some people started renting the houses out, and now it's just sad.

When I was house looking this last time, I consciously looked for a house that reminded me of the ones from my childhood. I remember how proud my mother was of our house, and rightly so.

/uncool story, sis
2013-01-12 03:27:16 PM
1 votes:

Rik01: This whole Gay thing is starting to become similar to how it was for the blacks before and during the Civil Rights movement.

Alabama was one of the states which would argue stubbornly how blacks were inferior and didn't deserve the rights given to other folks. They held on to many of their segregation laws long after other states had repealed their own.

It was a long, hard fight for Civil Rights and, apparently, Gays are going to have to face a similar one, encountering the same excuses that have been brought up for segregation over the decades. They're going to face massive walls of STUPID on all sides no matter what they do.



Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.
2013-01-12 03:26:35 PM
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Somacandra: sgnilward: There's gonna be some educatin' going on once the repeal of Prop 8 becomes law of the land...

Well, uh...I'm not sure about that...

FTFA: Contrary to what is reflected in this statute, same-sex sexual activity was legalized in the state in 2003, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in struck down all state laws banning sodomy. Not surprisingly, the Alabama legislature has not moved to repeal its now unenforceable state anti-sodomy law.

If they didn't repeal the state law in response to the SCOTUS's decision in Lawrence v. Texas, they aren't going to repeal it because of another SCOTUS decision either. Not unless someone manages to finagle a mandamus writ on the AL Legislature and I don't see that happening.


Oh, I'm sure Alabama's going to fight that tooth and nail--this is the state that still can't manage to get their Jim Crow laws off the books after all--but they aren't going to able to keep kids from knowing that marriage equality exists and that the law of the land treats gay people no differently than straight people. Heck, all of the inevitable biatching is going to have the unintended consequence of letting kids know that's what the law is.
2013-01-12 03:20:21 PM
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Stone Meadow: Lionel Mandrake: But outside the largest "city," where I live (population 7500), it's fkn backwoods Mississippi.

Lemme guess...Glenn Co.?


Del Norte, top left.

Actually moved (back) here after being in Glenn for a couple of years.  At least DN has incredible natural beauty, but Glenn, while it has a few beautiful parts, is very, very "meh" in the natural wonder category.
2013-01-12 03:02:18 PM
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Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

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Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.


That's why I loved the Bay Area.  Loved living there (San Mateo County).  Loved working there (San Francisco and Santa Clara Counties).  I masturbate to thoughts of moving back.

And, as great as the Bay Area was, driving through Bakersfield was like living a nightmare.

I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that your map shows San Diego County in blue.  I always thought of San Diego as pretty Republican.
2013-01-12 03:01:13 PM
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GhostFish: It's on the books, but it's not enforced from what I've been told.

This came up on reddit, and lots of Alabamans chimed to in to say that they were never taught this way in school.


Yes, but Alabama is far more reactionary, regressive, and just plain horrible now. I graduated college in Alabama in 1994 and got the fark out. It's worse now.
2013-01-12 02:58:53 PM
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2013-01-12 02:52:12 PM
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Proteios1: Shouldn't be teaching homosexuality to minors anyways. The whole concept is stupid.


I totally agree. Shouldn't be teaching heterosexuality to minors either. All kids shows with kissing or affection of any sort should be banned. No more Avatar: The Last Airbender.

/s

//If that's not what you mean (and I assume it probably isn't what you mean), why are you opposed to kids seeing homosexuality but not heterosexuality? They're both sexualities.
2013-01-12 02:46:22 PM
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Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.


Did New Jersey ever have Jim Crow laws?
Or a city nicknamed "Bombingham"?
2013-01-12 02:39:05 PM
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Doktor_Zhivago: PsiChick: I'm amazed that some parent of a gay kid hasn't gone down there in utter fury yet. I'd probably be very politely indicating my desire to lawyer up if the school did that to my kid.

Because their child is already in "pray the gay away camp". No self respecting Alabamian would admit their child is gay, just "confused"

/seriously though it would probably be a giant sign for the derp brigade's neanderthal children that says mercilessly torture my child in school until he's old enough to drop out/graduate/kills himself.


It's actually illegal in Nevada for teachers to discuss students with other students by name. I'd imagine the same applies in Alabama. So if you take care of it after school hours and the kids all suddenly know who's gay...

Well, that'd be a  really easy lawsuit.

/And at that point, I'd homeschool. The kid's not getting an education otherwise anyway.
2013-01-12 02:34:41 PM
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But don't you dare call us bigots!

Sane Republicans (the few of you left), this is the base of your party. Stop being willfully ignorant and get out while you can.
2013-01-12 02:34:06 PM
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So they have a law that requires teachers to lie to their students?

Simple solution: pass a new law, or better yet State Constitutional Amendment, that requires that teachers only tell the truth to their students, without enumerating specific instances. Who would vote against that?
2013-01-12 02:21:12 PM
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edmo: People love to carry that Constitution thingy around in their pockets but aren't much on reading it. I'm sure they will continue to try and push their religious views into law forever.


They're really into symbols rather than what the symbols represent.

But hey, at least Alabama now has sex ed classes. That's a big step up from the old days of learning everything about sex from that one third grader who found his older brother's porn collection.
2013-01-12 02:17:52 PM
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Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

upload.wikimedia.org

Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.
2013-01-12 02:16:58 PM
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cman: mrshowrules: In addition to it being absolutely disgusting it is also factually wrong.

It is doubly factually wrong actually.  Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

I wonder if there is a State regulation or law against an official misrepresenting State law.

I think this will end up being one of those incidents where the fed gov will send in troops to uphold SCOTUS decisions.


Federal troops publicly upholding couples right to sodomize each other? Go on....
2013-01-12 02:12:55 PM
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AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.


New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.
2013-01-12 12:32:33 PM
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mrshowrules: In addition to it being absolutely disgusting it is also factually wrong.

It is doubly factually wrong actually.  Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

I wonder if there is a State regulation or law against an official misrepresenting State law.


I think this will end up being one of those incidents where the fed gov will send in troops to uphold SCOTUS decisions.
2013-01-12 11:43:14 AM
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We must summon the spirit of Clarence Darrow.  His work's not done.
2013-01-12 11:38:12 AM
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sgnilward: There's gonna be some educatin' going on once the repeal of Prop 8 becomes law of the land...


Well, uh...I'm not sure about that...

FTFA: Contrary to what is reflected in this statute, same-sex sexual activity was legalized in the state in 2003, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in struck down all state laws banning sodomy. Not surprisingly, the Alabama legislature has not moved to repeal its now unenforceable state anti-sodomy law.

If they didn't repeal the state law in response to the SCOTUS's decision in Lawrence v. Texas, they aren't going to repeal it because of another SCOTUS decision either. Not unless someone manages to finagle a mandamus writ on the AL Legislature and I don't see that happening.
2013-01-12 11:10:29 AM
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Aint no way in hell legislation would be willingly passed that would change that law in Alabama.
2013-01-12 11:10:16 AM
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There's gonna be some educatin' going on once the repeal of Prop 8 becomes law of the land...
2013-01-12 11:05:52 AM
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Goddammit
 
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