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2013-01-12 11:05:52 AM  
Goddammit
 
2013-01-12 11:10:16 AM  
There's gonna be some educatin' going on once the repeal of Prop 8 becomes law of the land...
 
2013-01-12 11:10:29 AM  
Aint no way in hell legislation would be willingly passed that would change that law in Alabama.
 
2013-01-12 11:22:55 AM  
People love to carry that Constitution thingy around in their pockets but aren't much on reading it. I'm sure they will continue to try and push their religious views into law forever.
 
2013-01-12 11:30:04 AM  
So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.
 
2013-01-12 11:38:12 AM  

sgnilward: There's gonna be some educatin' going on once the repeal of Prop 8 becomes law of the land...


Well, uh...I'm not sure about that...

FTFA: Contrary to what is reflected in this statute, same-sex sexual activity was legalized in the state in 2003, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in struck down all state laws banning sodomy. Not surprisingly, the Alabama legislature has not moved to repeal its now unenforceable state anti-sodomy law.

If they didn't repeal the state law in response to the SCOTUS's decision in Lawrence v. Texas, they aren't going to repeal it because of another SCOTUS decision either. Not unless someone manages to finagle a mandamus writ on the AL Legislature and I don't see that happening.
 
2013-01-12 11:40:26 AM  

Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.


For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.
 
2013-01-12 11:43:14 AM  
We must summon the spirit of Clarence Darrow.  His work's not done.
 
2013-01-12 12:07:55 PM  
We understand several local high school principals quote this Alabama law as why they won't allow Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) clubs on their campuses, even now after the SCOTUS decision. The only reconciliation I can take away from the principals' attitudes is that it teaches young people life is not fair and one has to deal with asshats in life.

Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


I can understand, but the levels you refer to vary depending on what part of the Southeast one lives in.  While Huntsville, AL is better than lots of places in Alabama, you still get yahoos from the outlying areas coming in.  Austin, TX is a wonderful place to live in that state.

Also, other parts of the US have their own unique levels of ignorance and bigotry. I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.
 
2013-01-12 12:22:30 PM  
This whole Gay thing is starting to become similar to how it was for the blacks before and during the Civil Rights movement.

Alabama was one of the states which would argue stubbornly how blacks were inferior and didn't deserve the rights given to other folks. They held on to many of their segregation laws long after other states had repealed their own.

It was a long, hard fight for Civil Rights and, apparently, Gays are going to have to face a similar one, encountering the same excuses that have been brought up for segregation over the decades. They're going to face massive walls of STUPID on all sides no matter what they do.

Legislators in the 'Bible Belt' are going to be particularly mule-headed.

I've suspected for ages that several Southern States just absolutely revel in being arse-holes. Their great-grand parents were, so were their grand folks, their Maw and Paw and now, they're carrying on the time honored tradition.
 
2013-01-12 12:23:19 PM  
Goddammit. Hey science, get on that cloning thing. We need General Sherman NOW.
 
2013-01-12 12:29:07 PM  
In addition to it being absolutely disgusting it is also factually wrong.

It is doubly factually wrong actually.  Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

I wonder if there is a State regulation or law against an official misrepresenting State law.
 
2013-01-12 12:32:33 PM  

mrshowrules: In addition to it being absolutely disgusting it is also factually wrong.

It is doubly factually wrong actually.  Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

I wonder if there is a State regulation or law against an official misrepresenting State law.


I think this will end up being one of those incidents where the fed gov will send in troops to uphold SCOTUS decisions.
 
2013-01-12 01:40:49 PM  

mrshowrules: It is doubly factually wrong actually. Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.


Hmmm.

FTFA: 8) An emphasis, in a factual manner and from a public health perspective, that homosexuality is not a lifestyle acceptable to the general public and that homosexual conduct is a criminal offense under the laws of the state.

The first bolded part may or may not be true depending on the shifting winds of public opinion, but as long as the law attributes the second bolded part to the "laws of the state" then its not inaccurate. Its just that the laws of the state cannot be enforced because of the Lawrence decision. But the laws themselves still exist on the books--if somehow Lawrence were to be reversed they would become enforceable again, as I understand it.
 
2013-01-12 01:59:16 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Goddammit


My thoughts as well.
 
2013-01-12 02:05:31 PM  
Careful, Alabama. You're going to lose your raking as 46th in education to Kentucky.
 
2013-01-12 02:07:43 PM  
Alabama education: first in football, last in every other metric
 
2013-01-12 02:11:32 PM  

zerkalo: Alabama education: first in football, last in every other metric


And Texas is jealous on both counts.
 
2013-01-12 02:12:55 PM  

AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.


New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.
 
2013-01-12 02:14:02 PM  
It's on the books, but it's not enforced from what I've been told.

This came up on reddit, and lots of Alabamans chimed to in to say that they were never taught this way in school.
 
2013-01-12 02:16:15 PM  
The article says that they also did away with civil unions. Does that mean that everyone has to get "married" in a church or does that only apply to same sex civil unions?
 
2013-01-12 02:16:58 PM  

cman: mrshowrules: In addition to it being absolutely disgusting it is also factually wrong.

It is doubly factually wrong actually.  Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

I wonder if there is a State regulation or law against an official misrepresenting State law.

I think this will end up being one of those incidents where the fed gov will send in troops to uphold SCOTUS decisions.


Federal troops publicly upholding couples right to sodomize each other? Go on....
 
2013-01-12 02:17:52 PM  

Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

upload.wikimedia.org

Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.
 
2013-01-12 02:21:12 PM  

edmo: People love to carry that Constitution thingy around in their pockets but aren't much on reading it. I'm sure they will continue to try and push their religious views into law forever.


They're really into symbols rather than what the symbols represent.

But hey, at least Alabama now has sex ed classes. That's a big step up from the old days of learning everything about sex from that one third grader who found his older brother's porn collection.
 
2013-01-12 02:22:39 PM  
dvdmedia.ign.com

Being gay is the new coolest thing, so that's why I've come to the gayest part of America - Alabama!
 
2013-01-12 02:22:40 PM  
I'm amazed that some parent of a gay kid hasn't gone down there in utter fury yet. I'd probably be very politely indicating my desire to lawyer up if the school did that to my kid.
 
2013-01-12 02:27:43 PM  

PsiChick: I'm amazed that some parent of a gay kid hasn't gone down there in utter fury yet. I'd probably be very politely indicating my desire to lawyer up if the school did that to my kid.


Because their child is already in "pray the gay away camp". No self respecting Alabamian would admit their child is gay, just "confused"

/seriously though it would probably be a giant sign for the derp brigade's neanderthal children that says mercilessly torture my child in school until he's old enough to drop out/graduate/kills himself.
 
2013-01-12 02:34:06 PM  
So they have a law that requires teachers to lie to their students?

Simple solution: pass a new law, or better yet State Constitutional Amendment, that requires that teachers only tell the truth to their students, without enumerating specific instances. Who would vote against that?
 
2013-01-12 02:34:41 PM  
But don't you dare call us bigots!

Sane Republicans (the few of you left), this is the base of your party. Stop being willfully ignorant and get out while you can.
 
2013-01-12 02:35:01 PM  
When homosexuality is outlawed, only outlaws will have buttsecks.
 
2013-01-12 02:35:32 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


Take me with you!
 
2013-01-12 02:35:47 PM  
Also

onemansblog.com

/oblige
 
2013-01-12 02:38:10 PM  
Shouldn't be teaching homosexuality to minors anyways. The whole concept is stupid.
 
2013-01-12 02:39:05 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: PsiChick: I'm amazed that some parent of a gay kid hasn't gone down there in utter fury yet. I'd probably be very politely indicating my desire to lawyer up if the school did that to my kid.

Because their child is already in "pray the gay away camp". No self respecting Alabamian would admit their child is gay, just "confused"

/seriously though it would probably be a giant sign for the derp brigade's neanderthal children that says mercilessly torture my child in school until he's old enough to drop out/graduate/kills himself.


It's actually illegal in Nevada for teachers to discuss students with other students by name. I'd imagine the same applies in Alabama. So if you take care of it after school hours and the kids all suddenly know who's gay...

Well, that'd be a  really easy lawsuit.

/And at that point, I'd homeschool. The kid's not getting an education otherwise anyway.
 
2013-01-12 02:41:03 PM  
Do they at least teach proper technique to the heterosexuals?
 
2013-01-12 02:42:02 PM  
Hey, if Alabama wants to become the new Mississippi, that's their perogative.
 
2013-01-12 02:42:52 PM  
Last time I was visiting my relatives in Germany, I found out my cousin is gay. I was amazed (sorry) at how open and accepting they were about it.
My aunt and uncle were telling me he was bringing his boyfriend, and asked whether I had a problem with that.

I told them I was a guest in the home in which he was born and raised, and if I had a problem, I should be obligated to see myself out.

Anyways, what bothered me is I think they were asking if I had a problem because of my nationality, as if it could override bloodline or my love for my cousin. Not sure how European nations feel about it, though, to be honest, compared to us.
 
2013-01-12 02:43:02 PM  

Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 335x570]

Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.


I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.
 
2013-01-12 02:43:23 PM  
Republicans: We can't change X because of (X or tradition)
 
2013-01-12 02:46:22 PM  

Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.


Did New Jersey ever have Jim Crow laws?
Or a city nicknamed "Bombingham"?
 
2013-01-12 02:52:12 PM  

Proteios1: Shouldn't be teaching homosexuality to minors anyways. The whole concept is stupid.


I totally agree. Shouldn't be teaching heterosexuality to minors either. All kids shows with kissing or affection of any sort should be banned. No more Avatar: The Last Airbender.

/s

//If that's not what you mean (and I assume it probably isn't what you mean), why are you opposed to kids seeing homosexuality but not heterosexuality? They're both sexualities.
 
2013-01-12 02:55:26 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


best decision you will ever make. get out before you start raising kids in that crap.
 
2013-01-12 02:55:34 PM  

Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 335x570]

Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.


I live in one of the (light) red counties.  It's not really too bad.  It goes R for national offices, but the last two elections, even with Balrog HUSSEIN Fartb0ng0, it was like 53-47 or closer.  Clinton won the county in 1992, but only because of Perot (who got 30%).

But outside the largest "city," where I live (population 7500), it's fkn backwoods Mississippi.
 
2013-01-12 02:56:20 PM  

Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.


LOL...my wife just saw that map and asked, "Who is the red county down there that voted for Romney?"

Me: Orange County.

Her: Oh, never mind.
 
2013-01-12 02:58:53 PM  
 
2013-01-12 02:59:11 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: But outside the largest "city," where I live (population 7500), it's fkn backwoods Mississippi.


Lemme guess...Glenn Co.?
 
2013-01-12 03:01:13 PM  

GhostFish: It's on the books, but it's not enforced from what I've been told.

This came up on reddit, and lots of Alabamans chimed to in to say that they were never taught this way in school.


Yes, but Alabama is far more reactionary, regressive, and just plain horrible now. I graduated college in Alabama in 1994 and got the fark out. It's worse now.
 
2013-01-12 03:02:18 PM  

Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 335x570]

Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.


That's why I loved the Bay Area.  Loved living there (San Mateo County).  Loved working there (San Francisco and Santa Clara Counties).  I masturbate to thoughts of moving back.

And, as great as the Bay Area was, driving through Bakersfield was like living a nightmare.

I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that your map shows San Diego County in blue.  I always thought of San Diego as pretty Republican.
 
2013-01-12 03:07:10 PM  

Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.


Yeah, Orange County has long been known as the right wing enclave of southern California.
 
2013-01-12 03:08:49 PM  

eraser8: Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 335x570]

Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.

That's why I loved the Bay Area.  Loved living there (San Mateo County).  Loved working there (San Francisco and Santa Clara Counties).  I masturbate to thoughts of moving back.

And, as great as the Bay Area was, driving through Bakersfield was like living a nightmare.

I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that your map shows San Diego County in blue.  I always thought of San Diego as pretty Republican.


Fo sho. Everyone I know in California just laughs at the rest of the country. The cost of living is lower in the South and Midwest for a reason.
 
2013-01-12 03:08:52 PM  
well i can see this ending up in court at some point and the State of Alabama fighting it to the bitter end wasting a lot of tax payer dollars.

The government needs to get out of people bedrooms and and allow people to marry who they wish and to appease the religious nuts put in a provision allowing churches to turn down marrying gay and lesbian couples as i doubt not being able to marry in a church willbother them much so long as they can legally marry.

Marriage is more than anything else legal contract with quasi religious overtones.
 
2013-01-12 03:09:49 PM  

eraser8: I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that your map shows San Diego County in blue.  I always thought of San Diego as pretty Republican.


It was...up through the 2004 elections. Since then it has voted increasingly Democratic.
 
2013-01-12 03:10:35 PM  

atomic-age: GhostFish: It's on the books, but it's not enforced from what I've been told.

This came up on reddit, and lots of Alabamans chimed to in to say that they were never taught this way in school.

Yes, but Alabama is far more reactionary, regressive, and just plain horrible now. I graduated college in Alabama in 1994 and got the fark out. It's worse now.


Agreed. I graduated in 96 and finally escaped in 2000.
Every visit back there just reinforces all the reasons I left.
 
2013-01-12 03:12:36 PM  

EngineerAU: Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.

Yeah, Orange County has long been known as the right wing enclave of southern California.


I thought that was where my in-laws live and they are extremely pro-Obama, but apparently they live just over the line in Riverside County. My Saddleback Church-attending sister-in-law is a different story...
 
2013-01-12 03:20:21 PM  

Stone Meadow: Lionel Mandrake: But outside the largest "city," where I live (population 7500), it's fkn backwoods Mississippi.

Lemme guess...Glenn Co.?


Del Norte, top left.

Actually moved (back) here after being in Glenn for a couple of years.  At least DN has incredible natural beauty, but Glenn, while it has a few beautiful parts, is very, very "meh" in the natural wonder category.
 
2013-01-12 03:25:21 PM  

grimlock1972: well i can see this ending up in court at some point and the State of Alabama fighting it to the bitter end wasting a lot of tax payer dollars.

The government needs to get out of people bedrooms and and allow people to marry who they wish and to appease the religious nuts put in a provision allowing churches to turn down marrying gay and lesbian couples as i doubt not being able to marry in a church willbother them much so long as they can legally marry.

Marriage is more than anything else legal contract with quasi religious overtones.


Freedom means small government unless two consenting male adults have teh buttsex. Then big government is ok. Got it?

Teh buttsex is only for their teenage bible thumping daughters to remain virgins. Thus it is written.
 
2013-01-12 03:26:35 PM  

Somacandra: sgnilward: There's gonna be some educatin' going on once the repeal of Prop 8 becomes law of the land...

Well, uh...I'm not sure about that...

FTFA: Contrary to what is reflected in this statute, same-sex sexual activity was legalized in the state in 2003, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in struck down all state laws banning sodomy. Not surprisingly, the Alabama legislature has not moved to repeal its now unenforceable state anti-sodomy law.

If they didn't repeal the state law in response to the SCOTUS's decision in Lawrence v. Texas, they aren't going to repeal it because of another SCOTUS decision either. Not unless someone manages to finagle a mandamus writ on the AL Legislature and I don't see that happening.


Oh, I'm sure Alabama's going to fight that tooth and nail--this is the state that still can't manage to get their Jim Crow laws off the books after all--but they aren't going to able to keep kids from knowing that marriage equality exists and that the law of the land treats gay people no differently than straight people. Heck, all of the inevitable biatching is going to have the unintended consequence of letting kids know that's what the law is.
 
2013-01-12 03:30:19 PM  

Via Infinito: Take me with you!


So  Via Infinito, how did you wind up in Alabama, assuming you're in this state as well and not from around these here parts?  Me, I'm Southern born and raised (see bio). I retired from the Air Force in Florida, but had to move to Huntsville after a layoff.

Eventual goal is to completely retire back to Florida someday ... but that's a long way off.
 
2013-01-12 03:30:53 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Stone Meadow: Lionel Mandrake: But outside the largest "city," where I live (population 7500), it's fkn backwoods Mississippi.

Lemme guess...Glenn Co.?

Del Norte, top left.

Actually moved (back) here after being in Glenn for a couple of years.  At least DN has incredible natural beauty, but Glenn, while it has a few beautiful parts, is very, very "meh" in the natural wonder category.


Ah, yeah...DN is a beautiful place. I can't handle the weather up there, though...Seattle...south.

/Bay Area
 
2013-01-12 03:33:21 PM  

Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.


I've been to Orange county a number of times for work in the last few months, and it seems more like "affluent suburb" red, instead of "meth and oxy" red. You know -- the kind of place where everyone is in debt up to their eyeballs, but still has to buy a new Audi because the neighbors have started looking disapprovingly at the four year old BMW they're driving now.

Most people I've met from Orange county seemed very socially liberal, but lived so far beyond their means that they actually saw even another $80 a week in taxes as a crushing blow to the pocketbook. It really felt like the kind of place Democrats could flip just on social policy, but if Democrats do manage to flip the affluent suburbs I can't even imagine how the Republican party would survive.
 
2013-01-12 03:36:24 PM  

Via Infinito: atomic-age: GhostFish: It's on the books, but it's not enforced from what I've been told.

This came up on reddit, and lots of Alabamans chimed to in to say that they were never taught this way in school.

Yes, but Alabama is far more reactionary, regressive, and just plain horrible now. I graduated college in Alabama in 1994 and got the fark out. It's worse now.

Agreed. I graduated in 96 and finally escaped in 2000.
Every visit back there just reinforces all the reasons I left.


My hometown actually looks less shabby in the downtown area, but seeing the neighborhood I grew up in made me cry. My mother had a hard time selling her house to move to a smaller one. The Realturds™ refused to show the house to white people. Think about that for a minute. Rather than actually *try* to sell the house, they eliminated a substantial percentage of potential buyers because of some idea that the neighborhood should be 100% black. And apparently rental too.

By 2012, it was completely down at the heels. I recognized only two names on mailboxes. Some of that is due to the age of the neighbors, but still, it was hard to see cars on lawns, peeling paint, tired roofs, and general neglect. Some of those houses were absolute jewels of midcentury modern architecture. Our neighborhood was the first middle class one in town to welcome black families. It was a mixed neighborhood with many medical and educational professionals, as well as affluent blue collar workers. (Yes, I am old; I remember steel mills and tire factories that paid better than my parents' white collar jobs.) It was a really nice place to grow up. Everyone got along, and there was ZERO crime. Then some people started renting the houses out, and now it's just sad.

When I was house looking this last time, I consciously looked for a house that reminded me of the ones from my childhood. I remember how proud my mother was of our house, and rightly so.

/uncool story, sis
 
2013-01-12 03:37:02 PM  

Lost Thought 00: So they have a law that requires teachers to lie to their students?

Simple solution: pass a new law, or better yet State Constitutional Amendment, that requires that teachers only tell the truth to their students, without enumerating specific instances. Who would vote against that?


Alabamans, for one.

People who genuinely believe that facts have a liberal bias, people who want to legally Jesus-ify the American History textbooks, people who believe that evolution is "just a theory" and want competing "theories" taught in biology classes (so long as the only competing theory taught is Creationism Intelligent Design), people who claim to be "pro-life" but want no effort to be made to prevent unwanted pregnancies or provide medical care for newborns and young children (and in fact want to increase the number of unwanted pregnancies and reduce the available medical care for newborns and children), and people who don't want anyone to remember that Republican policies which were passed by a Republican Congress and implemented by a Republican President named George W. Bush are what nearly destroyed America last decade.

But I repeat myself.
 
2013-01-12 03:37:32 PM  

AirForceVet: Via Infinito: Take me with you!

So  Via Infinito, how did you wind up in Alabama, assuming you're in this state as well and not from around these here parts?  Me, I'm Southern born and raised (see bio). I retired from the Air Force in Florida, but had to move to Huntsville after a layoff.

Eventual goal is to completely retire back to Florida someday ... but that's a long way off.


I'm actually from AL. Joined the Army after college and escaped. Eventually got stationed back here in GA. Dammit. It took less than 3 months after getting back to the states for me to have the burning desire to leave again.
 
2013-01-12 03:41:13 PM  
Damnit, this is the same part of the country that has produced Twain, Faulkner, Capote, Williams.
 
2013-01-12 03:44:52 PM  

MBrady: Rik01: This whole Gay thing is starting to become similar to how it was for the blacks before and during the Civil Rights movement.

Alabama was one of the states which would argue stubbornly how blacks were inferior and didn't deserve the rights given to other folks. They held on to many of their segregation laws long after other states had repealed their own.

It was a long, hard fight for Civil Rights and, apparently, Gays are going to have to face a similar one, encountering the same excuses that have been brought up for segregation over the decades. They're going to face massive walls of STUPID on all sides no matter what they do.

Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


And why shouldn't someone be free to marry someone of the same sex? Who would be harmed by such a thing?

If a man can marry any woman he chooses, why can't a woman marry any woman she chooses?

If a woman can marry any man she chooses, why can't a man marry any man he chooses?

The fact that those last two questions even need to be asked is exactly why same-sex marriage is a civil rights issue.
 
2013-01-12 03:45:50 PM  

adamgreeney: cman: mrshowrules: In addition to it being absolutely disgusting it is also factually wrong.

It is doubly factually wrong actually.  Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

I wonder if there is a State regulation or law against an official misrepresenting State law.

I think this will end up being one of those incidents where the fed gov will send in troops to uphold SCOTUS decisions.

Federal troops publicly upholding couples right to sodomize each other? Go on....


Sounds like the Ned Beatty scene in "Deliverance", now with the 101st Airborne.
 
2013-01-12 03:48:50 PM  

MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


So? Now straights have the right to marry anyone of the same sex too. No discrimination (that's a civil right) and nobody loses.
 
2013-01-12 03:55:08 PM  

MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.
 
2013-01-12 03:55:40 PM  

cman: Aint no way in hell legislation would be willingly passed that would change that law in Alabama.


This is the state that still has segregation of schools enshrined in its constitution. In fact, voters in 2004 and 20-freaking-12 voted to keep the segregation provisions in the constitution.
 
2013-01-12 03:55:43 PM  

The Larch: Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.

I've been to Orange county a number of times for work in the last few months, and it seems more like "affluent suburb" red, instead of "meth and oxy" red. You know -- the kind of place where everyone is in debt up to their eyeballs, but still has to buy a new Audi because the neighbors have started looking disapprovingly at the four year old BMW they're driving now.

Most people I've met from Orange county seemed very socially liberal, but lived so far beyond their means that they actually saw even another $80 a week in taxes as a crushing blow to the pocketbook. It really felt like the kind of place Democrats could flip just on social policy, but if Democrats do manage to flip the affluent suburbs I can't even imagine how the Republican party would survive.


Your observation is spot on, inasmuch as it agrees with my own firsthand observation. I was shocked at the excess. "Yeah it's great that you're bringing home 8K a month, but why oh why are you spending 9K?"
 
2013-01-12 03:56:29 PM  

MBrady: Rik01: This whole Gay thing is starting to become similar to how it was for the blacks before and during the Civil Rights movement.

Alabama was one of the states which would argue stubbornly how blacks were inferior and didn't deserve the rights given to other folks. They held on to many of their segregation laws long after other states had repealed their own.

It was a long, hard fight for Civil Rights and, apparently, Gays are going to have to face a similar one, encountering the same excuses that have been brought up for segregation over the decades. They're going to face massive walls of STUPID on all sides no matter what they do.

Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


And black were free to marry anyone who was black before Loving v. Virginia. C'mon, you can do better than that.
 
2013-01-12 03:56:40 PM  

Stone Meadow: Lionel Mandrake: Stone Meadow: Lionel Mandrake: But outside the largest "city," where I live (population 7500), it's fkn backwoods Mississippi.

Lemme guess...Glenn Co.?

Del Norte, top left.

Actually moved (back) here after being in Glenn for a couple of years.  At least DN has incredible natural beauty, but Glenn, while it has a few beautiful parts, is very, very "meh" in the natural wonder category.

Ah, yeah...DN is a beautiful place. I can't handle the weather up there, though...Seattle...south.

/Bay Area


Nah, it only rains once.  But it starts in September and ends in May.
 
2013-01-12 03:58:28 PM  

Ilmarinen: ******: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

So? Now straights have the right to marry anyone of the same sex too. No discrimination (that's a civil right) and nobody loses.


I think we've been trolled.  That Farker meets the definition of threadshiatter.  And, for me, at least, he's now Farkied as such.
 
2013-01-12 03:59:17 PM  
And they wonder why God keeps sending tornadoes their way.
 
2013-01-12 04:03:34 PM  

Proteios1: Shouldn't be teaching homosexuality to minors anyways. The whole concept is stupid.


teaching, homosexuality or minors
which concept is stupid??

or is it just you that is stupid?
 
2013-01-12 04:04:56 PM  
atomic-age:

During a rare nostalgic moment when I was visiting last year, I decided I wanted to drive by and see my old neighborhood (my parents moved away long ago). I thought it might be cute to show my daughter where I grew up. I was horrified. It was much the same as your description. I wish I hadn't gone. What has been seen cannot be farking unseen.
 
2013-01-12 04:05:37 PM  

MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


You're an idiot.

"Stop whining.  You have the right to be just like me!"

deeeeeerrp
 
2013-01-12 04:11:53 PM  
Alabama would reinstate slavery if they thought they could get away with it. Why do we keep that state around, again?
 
2013-01-12 04:13:06 PM  
You christians are farking nuts. Get some help. Maybe some self-rapturing or something...
 
2013-01-12 04:13:42 PM  

MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


F*ck off.
 
2013-01-12 04:16:22 PM  

Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.


you haven't been keeping up on the news from there then.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/12/14/ca-judge-suggests-if-vagina- no t-shredded-its-not-real-rape/

that's a superior court judge from orange county. that report is not an isolated incident for the county either.
 
2013-01-12 04:18:04 PM  

Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 335x570]

Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.


San Bernardino, Riverside and the San Diego areas have a heavy amount of derpers though.
 
2013-01-12 04:29:50 PM  
hero tag for alabama.
 
2013-01-12 04:40:10 PM  

utah dude: hero tag for alabama.


Oh, can't wait to see where this is going.
 
2013-01-12 04:46:52 PM  

MBrady: Lionel Mandrake: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

You're an idiot.

"Stop whining.  You have the right to be just like me!"

deeeeeerrp

Sigh. The morons are coming here.

"WAAAHHHHH!!! You don't like me because I don't conform to your laws."


That's it. Keep reeling em in.
 
2013-01-12 04:50:28 PM  

Fart_Machine: MBrady: Lionel Mandrake: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

You're an idiot.

"Stop whining.  You have the right to be just like me!"

deeeeeerrp

Sigh. The morons are coming here.

"WAAAHHHHH!!! You don't like me because I don't conform to your laws."

That's it. Keep reeling em in.


The sad thing is, there really are people out there who think this way. And they vote.
 
2013-01-12 04:54:54 PM  
..........but inbreeding with yore cusin' is jes fine!
 
2013-01-12 04:55:31 PM  

zerkalo: Alabama education: first in football, last in every other metric


Football has Jesus beat in states like 'bama.
 
2013-01-12 05:05:16 PM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: It is doubly factually wrong actually. Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

Hmmm.

FTFA: 8) An emphasis, in a factual manner and from a public health perspective, that homosexuality is not a lifestyle acceptable to the general public and that homosexual conduct is a criminal offense under the laws of the state.

The first bolded part may or may not be true depending on the shifting winds of public opinion, but as long as the law attributes the second bolded part to the "laws of the state" then its not inaccurate. Its just that the laws of the state cannot be enforced because of the Lawrence decision. But the laws themselves still exist on the books--if somehow Lawrence were to be reversed they would become enforceable again, as I understand it.


Regardless, sodomy is not necessarily or exclusively related to a homosexual lifestyle.
 
2013-01-12 05:06:03 PM  

MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?


Admit it, you hate the gays.
Also, you ever think those "ex-gays" never stopped being gay, but were just forced back into the closet? 'Cause that's what's happening. Being gay is not a choice. Being an asshole is, and I say you've chosen poorly.
 
2013-01-12 05:09:58 PM  

MBrady: Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior.


according to a number of studies it's also genetically predisposed. you can look it up if you like. yes folks are indeed born gay and no you can't pray it away. given this Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. i'll bow out and leave you to your bigotry.
 
2013-01-12 05:17:25 PM  

Curious: MBrady: Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior.

according to a number of studies it's also genetically predisposed. you can look it up if you like. yes folks are indeed born gay and no you can't pray it away. given this Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. i'll bow out and leave you to your bigotry.


Of course you can pray it away. Just look at paragons of totally straight manly manliness like Ted Haggard and Marcus Bachmann.
They're both on their knees for Jesus every chance they get. Jesus, in this case, is the kid that trims the hedges at their houses.
 
2013-01-12 05:18:38 PM  

Curious: MBrady: Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior.

according to a number of studies it's also genetically predisposed. you can look it up if you like. yes folks are indeed born gay and no you can't pray it away. given this Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. i'll bow out and leave you to your bigotry.


Ahh, but here's how people like MBrady, and well, the entire ex-gay industry and indeed the entire right wing get away with saying that "Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior." By their definition, "homosexual" does not refer to attractions, it refers to behavior. If a person is not engaging in sexual  behaviorwith a person of the same sex, then by their definition the person is not "homosexual." They may be someone with "same sex attractions", but that just means they're a heterosexual with "temptations."

It's how ex-gay ministries say that they're successful. As long as someone isn't having sex with someone of the same sex, then by definition (where "homosexual" = "someone who has sex with persons of the same sex"), then the person can't possibly be a homosexual. It's why you'll hear proponents of ex-gay therapy refer to people as having "same sex attraction" or "SSA" but never, ever, refer to someone as "homosexual" or "gay" except as a behavior pattern or political identity.
 
2013-01-12 05:24:27 PM  
Ex-gay ministries are a scam and harmful to those it sucks in. Such institutions should be illegal, IMO.
 
2013-01-12 05:39:07 PM  

MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?


Even granting for the sake of argument that sexual orientation isn't a protected class, the fact remains that a ban on same-sex marriage is gender discrimination in exactly the same way that a ban on miscegenation was racial discrimination (a particular race/gender is mandated or excluded from your pool of potential spouses based upon your own race/gender).

Although there's more leeway for gender-based discrimination than race-based discrimination, you still need a much better reason than "Jesus says so" or "seems icky." Otherwise, yes, you look like a bigot who is opposed to fairness.
 
2013-01-12 05:45:57 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?

Even granting for the sake of argument t ...


Also, there's the simple argument that bestiality and pedophilia require by definition one party that cannot consent. Heterosexual rape is heterosexual, but one party did not consent, and it is therefore illegal.

As for polygamy, as long as everyone is capable of consent and does consent, I really don't have a huge problem with it. Several countries today allow polygamy.
 
2013-01-12 05:49:28 PM  

Via Infinito: The Larch: Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.

I've been to Orange county a number of times for work in the last few months, and it seems more like "affluent suburb" red, instead of "meth and oxy" red. You know -- the kind of place where everyone is in debt up to their eyeballs, but still has to buy a new Audi because the neighbors have started looking disapprovingly at the four year old BMW they're driving now.

Most people I've met from Orange county seemed very socially liberal, but lived so far beyond their means that they actually saw even another $80 a week in taxes as a crushing blow to the pocketbook. It really felt like the kind of place Democrats could flip just on social policy, but if Democrats do manage to flip the affluent suburbs I can't even imagine how the Republican party would survive.

Your observation is spot on, inasmuch as it agrees with my own firsthand observation. I was shocked at the excess. "Yeah it's great that you're bringing home 8K a month, but why oh why are you spending 9K?"


I moved to Orange County about 6 months ago, and both of you are pretty accurate. The local politicians really win on the "fiscal conservatism," (though there's staggering amounts of local corruption) and social issues are kind of ignored. Once you get to the more "inland" area of Orange County, you have some poorer communities that remain socially conservative, but this seems to be a shrinking minority.

It'll remain conservative for another 8 years or so, but as communities from LA and SD start sprawling increasingly sprawling into OC, I think it will flip around 2020.
 
2013-01-12 05:55:12 PM  

Via Infinito: atomic-age:

During a rare nostalgic moment when I was visiting last year, I decided I wanted to drive by and see my old neighborhood (my parents moved away long ago). I thought it might be cute to show my daughter where I grew up. I was horrified. It was much the same as your description. I wish I hadn't gone. What has been seen cannot be farking unseen.


Absolutely. Only the gay or otherwise liberal people I know down there still live "in town". Everyone else is in a shiat-and-vinyl mcmansion in whiteyland in the county. It makes me so sad. But not sad enough to live in Alabama again. ;)
 
2013-01-12 05:55:14 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


What, you just noticed it? The previous few hundred years didn't clue you in?
 
2013-01-12 06:05:19 PM  
Sure it's criminal. It's deviant, perverse, filthy, sweaty criminal activity; forbidden fruit, so to speak.
 
2013-01-12 06:05:54 PM  
And MBrady was never seen again.
 
2013-01-12 06:19:38 PM  
To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.
 
2013-01-12 06:20:48 PM  

kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.


Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.
 
2013-01-12 06:39:40 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 335x570]

Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.

I live in one of the (light) red counties.  It's not really too bad.  It goes R for national offices, but the last two elections, even with Balrog HUSSEIN Fartb0ng0, it was like 53-47 or closer.  Clinton won the county in 1992, but only because of Perot (who got 30%).

But outside the largest "city," where I live (population 7500), it's fkn backwoods Mississippi.


I live in a deep, deep blue county in California, Sonoma, and I am grateful for it every day, but never more so than during election season.

My only exposure to republican/conservative/tea party derp is here on Fark and on TDS/Colbert.

/once again, very thankful for that
//otherwise, hello stroke unit my name is glskfjo
 
2013-01-12 06:48:09 PM  

RulerOfNone: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.


Because it completely doesn't matter if the gay kids catch nasty STDs because they weren't taught anything about protection, right? Let the gay kids remain ignorant, catch HIV, and die, they don't matter anyway.
 
2013-01-12 06:52:42 PM  

rynthetyn: RulerOfNone: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.

Because it completely doesn't matter if the gay kids catch nasty STDs because they weren't taught anything about protection, right? Let the gay kids remain ignorant, catch HIV, and die, they don't matter anyway.


Was not even close to implying that. I was assuming that the whole "wrap it before you tap it" thing would only need to be taught once for both instances.
 
2013-01-12 06:54:23 PM  

kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.


Well, there's also huge sections on topics like STDs and safe-sex. It's not just science/biology. And from a safe-sex and STD perspective, homosexual sex can be particularly risky if kids aren't educated properly.
 
2013-01-12 07:00:26 PM  

RulerOfNone: rynthetyn: RulerOfNone: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.

Because it completely doesn't matter if the gay kids catch nasty STDs because they weren't taught anything about protection, right? Let the gay kids remain ignorant, catch HIV, and die, they don't matter anyway.

Was not even close to implying that. I was assuming that the whole "wrap it before you tap it" thing would only need to be taught once for both instances.


Well, you really need to think about what you're saying/suggesting because leaving mention of homosexuality out of sex-ed is going to end up with gay kids who are woefully uninformed about safe sex.
 
2013-01-12 07:08:55 PM  

Lsherm: Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.


Everything in New Jersey is loud and obnoxious though. Even the good stuff. A nun watching an orphan bottle feeding a puppy is still loud and obnoxious.
 
2013-01-12 07:50:50 PM  
They sure treat the constitution like they treat the bible. They thump it, use it as an excuse, but avoid actually reading the damn thing at all costs.
 
2013-01-12 08:04:11 PM  
MBrady:
Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

By your "logic" then laws protecting people on their basis of their religion are ALSO invalid because religion is also chosen.

Or to use your own styling, "you will find many former Catholics...".

If your decision on marriage equality is based on your logic, then you'll have NO PROBLEM also arguing against religion choice as a protected class along WITH your "feelings" about orientation.
 
2013-01-12 08:08:13 PM  

Supes: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, there's also huge sections on topics like STDs and safe-sex. It's not just science/biology. And from a safe-sex and STD perspective, homosexual sex can be particularly risky if kids aren't educated properly.


rynthetyn:
Well, you really need to think about what you're saying/suggesting because leaving mention of homosexuality out of sex-ed is going to end up with gay kids who are woefully uninformed about safe sex.


How so? Offhand I'm not thinking of any homosexual safe-sex protocols that it wouldn't be sensible for heterosexuals to follow anyway, or vice versa.

Probably needs to be mentioned in the sexual history-of-your-partners discussion, though.
 
2013-01-12 08:22:53 PM  

MBrady: Why is gay marriage miscegenation a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex same skin tone.


That, in a nutshell, is why. And stories like Matthew Shepard, who was killed for being gay.
 
2013-01-12 08:29:45 PM  
i45.tinypic.com
ALABAMMMAAAAAAA!
 
2013-01-12 08:54:12 PM  

MBrady: Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.


Certainly for the vast majority of us, sexual preference is something at the core of our nature; that is, it is something that we are. You do not stop being heterosexual or homosexual if you stop engaging in sexual activities. But you know this, and are pretending you don't either to troll, or because acknowledging it would undermine your "point".
 
2013-01-12 09:01:57 PM  
Wouldn't it be great if this just made all the children sad or angry that the world is so unjust, and they ganged together and threw hissy fits and had crazy Goonies-style adventures fighting the adults of Alabama until the adults changed the law?

I think it would rock.
 
2013-01-12 09:11:09 PM  

EngineerAU: Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.

Yeah, Orange County has long been known as the right wing enclave of southern California.


Ha, I live in the OC, and I always forget we're "right wing" until I remember I live in western Orange County (nearer to Long Beach and the bottom of LA County), and I guess the blueness rubs off. Seal Beach is no more "conservative" than Belmont Shore, really.
 
2013-01-12 09:21:15 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Stone Meadow: DN is a beautiful place. I can't handle the weather up there, though...Seattle...south.

Nah, it only rains once.  But it starts in September and ends in May.


That earns you a funny. My wife has family up there and it seems like every time we visit it's raining. Good times! ;^)
 
2013-01-12 09:30:30 PM  

Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.


Richmond Va is like goddamn Mr Rogers Neighborhood compared to SW VA. I live less than an hr away from Giles County. The same county that fought tooth and nail to keep the 10 commandments in public schools and harassed the family that filed a lawsuit with death threats and vandalism. NOVA is really like a different state compared to the rest of the region.
 
2013-01-12 09:43:54 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Supes: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, there's also huge sections on topics like STDs and safe-sex. It's not just science/biology. And from a safe-sex and STD perspective, homosexual sex can be particularly risky if kids aren't educated properly.

rynthetyn:
Well, you really need to think about what you're saying/suggesting because leaving mention of homosexuality out of sex-ed is going to end up with gay kids who are woefully uninformed about safe sex.

How so? Offhand I'm not thinking of any homosexual safe-sex protocols that it wouldn't be sensible for heterosexuals to follow anyway, or vice versa.

Probably needs to be mentioned in the sexual history-of-your-partners discussion, though.


When you're dealing with members of a minority group and don't make specific mention of that group while making mention of the majority, members of the minority tend to assume that they aren't included. In order for gay kids to feel like the instruction applies to them too, you need to specifically make that fact clear.
 
2013-01-12 09:48:18 PM  

rynthetyn: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Supes: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, there's also huge sections on topics like STDs and safe-sex. It's not just science/biology. And from a safe-sex and STD perspective, homosexual sex can be particularly risky if kids aren't educated properly.

rynthetyn:
Well, you really need to think about what you're saying/suggesting because leaving mention of homosexuality out of sex-ed is going to end up with gay kids who are woefully uninformed about safe sex.

How so? Offhand I'm not thinking of any homosexual safe-sex protocols that it wouldn't be sensible for heterosexuals to follow anyway, or vice versa.

Probably needs to be mentioned in the sexual history-of-your-partners discussion, though.

When you're dealing with members of a minority group and don't make specific mention of that group while making mention of the majority, members of the minority tend to assume that they aren't included. In order for gay kids to feel like the instruction applies to them too, you need to specifically make that fact clear.


I went to a school that had hetero-only sex ed... didn't really touch on STD's... talked about how condoms were to prevent pregnancy... I thought I had it made, fortunately my mom set me straight on STDs and all that. Ultimately, parenting is a job that needs to be done by parents, not farmed out to the state... if you want your kids to have a solid understanding of how sex works and whats dangerous/not dangerous about it, give them that solid understanding... don't count on someone raising your kid right.
 
2013-01-12 10:01:10 PM  

reklamfox: Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.

Richmond Va is like goddamn Mr Rogers Neighborhood compared to SW VA. I live less than an hr away from Giles County. The same county that fought tooth and nail to keep the 10 commandments in public schools and harassed the family that filed a lawsuit with death threats and vandalism. NOVA is really like a different state compared to the rest of the region.


My family lives in Ohio, so I drive through SW Virginia frequently.  You're correct, it's a very scary place.  I don't like driving through there at night, and even during the day the people aren't that friendly.  It's also the only place I've ever gotten shiat for driving a Japanese car.
 
2013-01-12 10:06:47 PM  
Alabama is the most backward dumbed down state in the union.
 
2013-01-12 10:09:56 PM  

HighOnCraic: Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.

Did New Jersey ever have Jim Crow laws?
Or a city nicknamed "Bombingham"?


No, New Jersey was too smart for something that obvious. NJ does a good job of seggergating the races, a certain population lives in Newark, Camden, Trenton, New Brunswick, Sicklerville, and so forth and different population in Summit, Moorestown, Milburn, Montgomery, Scotch Plains, etc.

New Jersey has over 600 different towns with their own mayors, town councils, police departments, etc and over 650 different schools districts, with 20 school-less school districts. In the early days these towns and districts were formed to keep "them" out. Them can be darkies, Italians, Polish, etc
 
2013-01-12 10:18:30 PM  

AirForceVet: We understand several local high school principals quote this Alabama law as why they won't allow Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) clubs on their campuses, even now after the SCOTUS decision.


Any that allow Bible clubs on their campus should be sued into oblivion.
 
2013-01-12 10:43:15 PM  

Theory Of Null: Alabama is the most backward dumbed down state in the union.


Unfortunately, they're duking it out with Oklahoma and Kansas for that dubious honor.
 
2013-01-12 10:59:42 PM  

Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.


Have you ever been to Orange County? That's where all the rich white old people go to get away from the cesspit of moral turpitude that is Los Angeles.
 
2013-01-12 11:44:09 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?

Even granting for ...


We could take an argument against "classifying people by their desires" to a conclusion that pedophiles should not be classified as such. Would those who believe homosexuals can select or control their desires be just as comfortable believing pedophilia is a lifestyle choice that's made in spite of risks of severe criminal and social penalties that some consider worse than death?
 
2013-01-13 12:02:32 AM  
MBrady

Seriously, just stop.
 
2013-01-13 12:14:14 AM  

Via Infinito: I'm actually from AL. Joined the Army after college and escaped. Eventually got stationed back here in GA. Dammit. It took less than 3 months after getting back to the states for me to have the burning desire to leave again.


You can checkout anytime you want, but you can never leave!

Wahahahaha!
 
2013-01-13 12:19:10 AM  

Linux_Yes: ..........but inbreeding with yore cusin' is jes fine!


One of your Linux deities is from Alabama. Shouldn't you be kneeling in prayer or recompiling an altar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Spencer_(computer_engineer)
 
2013-01-13 12:52:23 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great
 
2013-01-13 01:26:53 AM  

ur14me: Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great


No, it's both. They are exercising their right to an opposing view. It's just a ignorant, bigoted view. Not all views are equally deserving of respect.
 
2013-01-13 01:37:35 AM  

ur14me: Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great


wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com

I saw that cartoon again while lurking in a thread the other day and, while the subject matter is a little different, I think you could switch out the atheist out with a lot of other groups. Particularly gays.

Does it really confuse your poor little head that actually being bigoted gets people called a bigot? Are you really so surprised when no one wants to defend the asshole who can dish it out but can't take it?
 
2013-01-13 01:38:24 AM  

ur14me: Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great


It's as if you saw MBrady's posts and thought to yourself "Man, that's pretty stupid, but if I put my mind to it, I can post something even dumber than that."
 
2013-01-13 01:47:32 AM  
That's scary. Hey conservatives and libs how about we try to meet in the middle and get this country back on track? How about we lay off gun control and restricting abortion rights. Why don't we accept that the LGBT community are people too and get on with making the country work? I mean is it really that hard?

/Libs stop being so darn mean to conservatives.
//Conservatives read a book.
 
2013-01-13 01:49:37 AM  

Phony_Soldier: That's scary. Hey conservatives and libs how about we try to meet in the middle and get this country back on track? How about we lay off gun control and restricting abortion rights. Why don't we accept that the LGBT community are people too and get on with making the country work? I mean is it really that hard?

/Libs stop being so darn mean to conservatives.
//Conservatives read a book.


We should cut some military spending, raise some taxes, evaluate what gov employees are being paid (and reduce it if appropriate). Man, this country could be great if we could learn to work together.

/Why yes, I have been drinking.
 
2013-01-13 05:39:25 AM  

MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?


If sexuality is a choice, then YOU can choose to be attracted to the same sex if you want to. Do you actually think you can find others of your same sex attractive? Think about it....
 
2013-01-13 07:07:17 AM  

Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


Because you're gay, or what?

... if you mean you're trying to get away from regional ignorance and arbitrary bigotry in general, I have some bad news for you, man. NASA has discontinued the manned moon landing program and manned Mars missions are probably a few decades away, minimum.

Until then, you're going to have to settle for just finding areas where the ignorance doesn't interfere with your own lifestyle too much.
 
2013-01-13 07:18:45 AM  

marksman: If sexuality is a choice, then YOU can choose to be attracted to the same sex if you want to. Do you actually think you can find others of your same sex attractive? Think about it....


Since the majority of people don't hit either 0 or 6 on the Kinsey scale, to use the old phrasing that people are most likely to be familiar with, the general implication of what science tells us is that there's a substantial element of choice involved. If you're operating on the assumption that the majority of the population is a black/white discrete separation of straight and gay, you're missing some fairly substantial chunks of experimental psychology, there.

Albeit this entire line of argument is a red herring with regards to marriage contracts. Same-sex couples find such contracts useful, and allowing them to use them does not represent any kind of credible threat to public welfare, therefore the government has no business denying them access to the contract. The same can't be said of incest (increased incidence of recessive diseases in the population is a public health issue) or bestiality (diseases that hop species are encouranged by it, and those tend to be nasty, and since animals can't consent it would be a form of animal abuse, which is illegal and thus can't be put into a contract). Polygamy's dodgier, the issue there is more that it'd be a huge pain in the arse to modify all the surrounding legal structures of the institution (divorce rules, custody, inheritance, etc) than any real objection to the relationships themselves.
 
2013-01-13 07:35:05 AM  
As a soverign state, Alabama can pass whatever laws it wishes. Oh, wait, I forgot that in the US, "state" is a just a synonym for "province."

Why is the US government's diplomatic arm called the "State Department?" It can't be because "state" is another term for "country." Because ours aren't. Souldn't it be the United States department? Because United States is the real country, right? States are just... well, states.

Sorry, the White House petition thread just got me thinking on how absurd our governmental system is. States are treated as soverign states, except when they are just treated a part of the bigger State.

Also, I'm a little drunk.
 
2013-01-13 08:18:51 AM  

dantheman195: HighOnCraic: Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.

Did New Jersey ever have Jim Crow laws?
Or a city nicknamed "Bombingham"?

No, New Jersey was too smart for something that obvious. NJ does a good job of seggergating the races, a certain population lives in Newark, Camden, Trenton, New Brunswick, Sicklerville, and so forth and different population in Summit, Moorestown, Milburn, Montgomery, Scotch Plains, etc.

New Jersey has over 600 different towns with their own mayors, town councils, police departments, etc and over 650 different schools districts, with 20 school-less school districts. In the early days these towns and districts were formed to keep "them" out. Them can be darkies, Italians, Polish, etc


What the hell? Where in NJ are you guys? I was born and raised in Essex County, and it's one of the most diverse places I've ever encountered. Sure, there's lots of blacks and hispanics in the lower-income areas like Newark, East Orange, and lots of whites in wealthier parts like Bergen, Summit, but that's everywhere. Union, for example, is strongly middle class, and predominantly black/Latin. The middle class areas of Northern NJ are remarkably diverse, and racial tension is close to nonexistent (admittedly, in the 70s and earlier that wasn't the case, but again, that was everywhere).

Camden, yes, that's a problem. It's Jersey's answer to Detroit.

In my experience NJ has far more of a wealth/class divide than a racial one. Especially considering that black celebs like Chris Rock and Diddy have homes here.

If you think Jerseyans are obnoxious, wait till you give 'em money.
 
2013-01-13 08:30:51 AM  

sendtodave: As a soverign state, Alabama can pass whatever laws it wishes. Oh, wait, I forgot that in the US, "state" is a just a synonym for "province."

Why is the US government's diplomatic arm called the "State Department?" It can't be because "state" is another term for "country." Because ours aren't. Souldn't it be the United States department? Because United States is the real country, right? States are just... well, states.

Sorry, the White House petition thread just got me thinking on how absurd our governmental system is. States are treated as soverign states, except when they are just treated a part of the bigger State.

Also, I'm a little drunk.


Alabama is one of fifty federated states in the USA, which is a sovereign state.

/KISS Army also not exactly the same thing as US Army
 
2013-01-13 09:42:24 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Goddammit


Yeah, no doubt. I do find it interesting that you did get he first openly gay state rep. So you do have that going for you. Hopefully she'll get this shiat corrected.

/You do have CFB dominated, so there's that as well
 
2013-01-13 10:01:14 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


Well....Bye.
 
2013-01-13 10:33:55 AM  

EngineerAU: Linux_Yes: ..........but inbreeding with yore cusin' is jes fine!

One of your Linux deities is from Alabama. Shouldn't you be kneeling in prayer or recompiling an altar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Spencer_(computer_engineer)



hey, no one's perfect. his birthplace was not of his choosing.
 
2013-01-13 10:42:47 AM  

MBrady: Rik01: This whole Gay thing is starting to become similar to how it was for the blacks before and during the Civil Rights movement.

Alabama was one of the states which would argue stubbornly how blacks were inferior and didn't deserve the rights given to other folks. They held on to many of their segregation laws long after other states had repealed their own.

It was a long, hard fight for Civil Rights and, apparently, Gays are going to have to face a similar one, encountering the same excuses that have been brought up for segregation over the decades. They're going to face massive walls of STUPID on all sides no matter what they do.

Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


Yes, they're absolutely free to have a loveless, sexless marriage and divorce bitterly years later after they've already been living a lie. You're an idiot and you should feel bad.
 
2013-01-13 10:51:19 AM  

MBrady: Lionel Mandrake: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

You're an idiot.

"Stop whining.  You have the right to be just like me!"

deeeeeerrp

Sigh. The morons are coming here.

"WAAAHHHHH!!! You don't like me because I don't conform to your laws."


I dislike you because you're a bigot. It has nothing to do with whether you conform. It has to do with you wanting to keep people you don't like from being together.
 
2013-01-13 11:35:44 AM  

milkyshirt: ur14me: Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great



I saw that cartoon again while lurking in a thread the other day and, while the subject matter is a little different, I think you could switch out the atheist out with a lot of other groups. Particularly gays.

Does it really confuse your poor little head that actually being bigoted gets people called a bigot? Are you really so surprised when no one wants to defend the asshole who can dish it out but can't take it?


You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means...

Bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

I'm not a bigot if I say I disagree with something. What is striking is that the offended party immediately (and indelibly) thinks I am.

That is one of if not the core ideological differences between who I am and whatever you are. It has nothing to do with my perceived hatred or intolerance (of which I have neither) of X; it has everything to do with your hatred and intolerance of me disagreeing with X.

/wants to say something cogent about gays dishing it out but not taking it
//has better things to do
///slashies
 
2013-01-13 12:05:12 PM  

ur14me: milkyshirt: ur14me: Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great

I saw that cartoon again while lurking in a thread the other day and, while the subject matter is a little different, I think you could switch out the atheist out with a lot of other groups. Particularly gays.

Does it really confuse your poor little head that actually being bigoted gets people called a bigot? Are you really so surprised when no one wants to defend the asshole who can dish it out but can't take it?

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means...

Bigot: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

I'm not a bigot if I say I disagree with something. What is striking is that the offended party immediately (and indelibly) thinks I am.

That is one of if not the core ideological differences between who I am and whatever you are. It has nothing to do with my perceived hatred or intolerance (of which I have neither) of X; it has everything to do with your hatred and intolerance of me disagreeing with X.

/wants to say something cogent about gays dishing it out but not taking it
//has better things to do
///slashies


You're right. Declaring something criminal or evil is simply a matter of disagreement. Are you really this dense?
 
2013-01-13 12:30:44 PM  

Linux_Yes: EngineerAU: Linux_Yes: ..........but inbreeding with yore cusin' is jes fine!

One of your Linux deities is from Alabama. Shouldn't you be kneeling in prayer or recompiling an altar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Spencer_(computer_engineer)


hey, no one's perfect. his birthplace was not of his choosing.


True but then he went to university there... and founded his company there... and wrote many of the programs you love there... those were all by choice rather than vaginal roulette.
 
2013-01-13 03:08:34 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: dantheman195: HighOnCraic: Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.

Did New Jersey ever have Jim Crow laws?
Or a city nicknamed "Bombingham"?

No, New Jersey was too smart for something that obvious. NJ does a good job of seggergating the races, a certain population lives in Newark, Camden, Trenton, New Brunswick, Sicklerville, and so forth and different population in Summit, Moorestown, Milburn, Montgomery, Scotch Plains, etc.

New Jersey has over 600 different towns with their own mayors, town councils, police departments, etc and over 650 different schools districts, with 20 school-less school districts. In the early days these towns and districts were formed to keep "them" out. Them can be darkies, Italians, Polish, etc

What the hell? Where in NJ are you guys? I was born and raised in Essex County, and it's one of the most diverse places I've ever encountered. Sure, there's lots of blacks and hispanics in the lower-income areas like Newark, East Orange, and lots of whites in wealthier parts like Bergen, Summit, but that's everywhere. Union, for example, is strongly middle class, and predominantly black/Latin. The middle class areas of Northern NJ are remarkably diverse, and racial tension is close to nonexistent (admittedly, in the 70s and earlier that wasn't the case, but again, that was everywhere).

Camden, yes, that's a problem. It's Jersey's answer to Detroit.

In my experience NJ has far more of a wealth/class divide than a racial one. Especially considering that black celebs like Chris Rock and Diddy have homes here.

If you think Jerseyans are obnoxious, wait till you ...


I assume you must be a white New Jerseyan. I had a professor in undergrad who was pretty much a walking stereotype of an academic--big bushy beard, sweater vests all the time--who said he'd get pulled over for driving while black every time he went back to visit his family in New Jersey. My sister-in-law was treated badly for being Hispanic a sufficient number of times while growing up in Jersey that upon moving to Florida and meeting my brother, she had to be repeatedly reassured that she didn't need to worry about meeting my parents, they wouldn't hate her for not being white.

There are a lot of places that white people assume aren't as racist as they really are because if you're white, you're not experiencing it. Heck, I went to undergrad in rural north Georgia, if I was going on just what I'd experienced and observed, I'd say it was racial harmony. Except that the place was overrun by the Klan and black students were afraid to leave campus by themselves. But hey, as a white person I didn't see any of that.
 
2013-01-15 05:11:54 PM  

milkyshirt: I saw that cartoon again while lurking in a thread the other day and, while the subject matter is a little different, I think you could switch out the atheist out with a lot of other groups. Particularly gays.


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/feel free to steal this one
 
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