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2013-01-12 05:55:12 PM

Via Infinito: atomic-age:

During a rare nostalgic moment when I was visiting last year, I decided I wanted to drive by and see my old neighborhood (my parents moved away long ago). I thought it might be cute to show my daughter where I grew up. I was horrified. It was much the same as your description. I wish I hadn't gone. What has been seen cannot be farking unseen.


Absolutely. Only the gay or otherwise liberal people I know down there still live "in town". Everyone else is in a shiat-and-vinyl mcmansion in whiteyland in the county. It makes me so sad. But not sad enough to live in Alabama again. ;)
 
2013-01-12 05:55:14 PM

Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


What, you just noticed it? The previous few hundred years didn't clue you in?
 
2013-01-12 06:05:19 PM
Sure it's criminal. It's deviant, perverse, filthy, sweaty criminal activity; forbidden fruit, so to speak.
 
2013-01-12 06:05:54 PM
And MBrady was never seen again.
 
2013-01-12 06:19:38 PM
To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.
 
2013-01-12 06:20:48 PM

kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.


Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.
 
2013-01-12 06:39:40 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

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Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.

I live in one of the (light) red counties.  It's not really too bad.  It goes R for national offices, but the last two elections, even with Balrog HUSSEIN Fartb0ng0, it was like 53-47 or closer.  Clinton won the county in 1992, but only because of Perot (who got 30%).

But outside the largest "city," where I live (population 7500), it's fkn backwoods Mississippi.


I live in a deep, deep blue county in California, Sonoma, and I am grateful for it every day, but never more so than during election season.

My only exposure to republican/conservative/tea party derp is here on Fark and on TDS/Colbert.

/once again, very thankful for that
//otherwise, hello stroke unit my name is glskfjo
 
2013-01-12 06:48:09 PM

RulerOfNone: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.


Because it completely doesn't matter if the gay kids catch nasty STDs because they weren't taught anything about protection, right? Let the gay kids remain ignorant, catch HIV, and die, they don't matter anyway.
 
2013-01-12 06:52:42 PM

rynthetyn: RulerOfNone: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.

Because it completely doesn't matter if the gay kids catch nasty STDs because they weren't taught anything about protection, right? Let the gay kids remain ignorant, catch HIV, and die, they don't matter anyway.


Was not even close to implying that. I was assuming that the whole "wrap it before you tap it" thing would only need to be taught once for both instances.
 
2013-01-12 06:54:23 PM

kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.


Well, there's also huge sections on topics like STDs and safe-sex. It's not just science/biology. And from a safe-sex and STD perspective, homosexual sex can be particularly risky if kids aren't educated properly.
 
2013-01-12 07:00:26 PM

RulerOfNone: rynthetyn: RulerOfNone: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, it could be mentioned in those classes as something that exists, but I don't think there'd be a need to elaborate.

Because it completely doesn't matter if the gay kids catch nasty STDs because they weren't taught anything about protection, right? Let the gay kids remain ignorant, catch HIV, and die, they don't matter anyway.

Was not even close to implying that. I was assuming that the whole "wrap it before you tap it" thing would only need to be taught once for both instances.


Well, you really need to think about what you're saying/suggesting because leaving mention of homosexuality out of sex-ed is going to end up with gay kids who are woefully uninformed about safe sex.
 
2013-01-12 07:08:55 PM

Lsherm: Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.


Everything in New Jersey is loud and obnoxious though. Even the good stuff. A nun watching an orphan bottle feeding a puppy is still loud and obnoxious.
 
2013-01-12 07:50:50 PM
They sure treat the constitution like they treat the bible. They thump it, use it as an excuse, but avoid actually reading the damn thing at all costs.
 
2013-01-12 08:04:11 PM
MBrady:
Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

By your "logic" then laws protecting people on their basis of their religion are ALSO invalid because religion is also chosen.

Or to use your own styling, "you will find many former Catholics...".

If your decision on marriage equality is based on your logic, then you'll have NO PROBLEM also arguing against religion choice as a protected class along WITH your "feelings" about orientation.
 
2013-01-12 08:08:13 PM

Supes: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, there's also huge sections on topics like STDs and safe-sex. It's not just science/biology. And from a safe-sex and STD perspective, homosexual sex can be particularly risky if kids aren't educated properly.


rynthetyn:
Well, you really need to think about what you're saying/suggesting because leaving mention of homosexuality out of sex-ed is going to end up with gay kids who are woefully uninformed about safe sex.


How so? Offhand I'm not thinking of any homosexual safe-sex protocols that it wouldn't be sensible for heterosexuals to follow anyway, or vice versa.

Probably needs to be mentioned in the sexual history-of-your-partners discussion, though.
 
2013-01-12 08:22:53 PM

MBrady: Why is gay marriage miscegenation a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex same skin tone.


That, in a nutshell, is why. And stories like Matthew Shepard, who was killed for being gay.
 
2013-01-12 08:29:45 PM
i45.tinypic.com
ALABAMMMAAAAAAA!
 
2013-01-12 08:54:12 PM

MBrady: Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.


Certainly for the vast majority of us, sexual preference is something at the core of our nature; that is, it is something that we are. You do not stop being heterosexual or homosexual if you stop engaging in sexual activities. But you know this, and are pretending you don't either to troll, or because acknowledging it would undermine your "point".
 
2013-01-12 09:01:57 PM
Wouldn't it be great if this just made all the children sad or angry that the world is so unjust, and they ganged together and threw hissy fits and had crazy Goonies-style adventures fighting the adults of Alabama until the adults changed the law?

I think it would rock.
 
2013-01-12 09:11:09 PM

EngineerAU: Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.

Yeah, Orange County has long been known as the right wing enclave of southern California.


Ha, I live in the OC, and I always forget we're "right wing" until I remember I live in western Orange County (nearer to Long Beach and the bottom of LA County), and I guess the blueness rubs off. Seal Beach is no more "conservative" than Belmont Shore, really.
 
2013-01-12 09:21:15 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Stone Meadow: DN is a beautiful place. I can't handle the weather up there, though...Seattle...south.

Nah, it only rains once.  But it starts in September and ends in May.


That earns you a funny. My wife has family up there and it seems like every time we visit it's raining. Good times! ;^)
 
2013-01-12 09:30:30 PM

Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.


Richmond Va is like goddamn Mr Rogers Neighborhood compared to SW VA. I live less than an hr away from Giles County. The same county that fought tooth and nail to keep the 10 commandments in public schools and harassed the family that filed a lawsuit with death threats and vandalism. NOVA is really like a different state compared to the rest of the region.
 
2013-01-12 09:43:54 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Supes: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, there's also huge sections on topics like STDs and safe-sex. It's not just science/biology. And from a safe-sex and STD perspective, homosexual sex can be particularly risky if kids aren't educated properly.

rynthetyn:
Well, you really need to think about what you're saying/suggesting because leaving mention of homosexuality out of sex-ed is going to end up with gay kids who are woefully uninformed about safe sex.

How so? Offhand I'm not thinking of any homosexual safe-sex protocols that it wouldn't be sensible for heterosexuals to follow anyway, or vice versa.

Probably needs to be mentioned in the sexual history-of-your-partners discussion, though.


When you're dealing with members of a minority group and don't make specific mention of that group while making mention of the majority, members of the minority tend to assume that they aren't included. In order for gay kids to feel like the instruction applies to them too, you need to specifically make that fact clear.
 
2013-01-12 09:48:18 PM

rynthetyn: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Supes: kukukupo: To be fair - homosexuality really shouldn't really come up in sex ed classes anyway. The whole point is to teach how kids are made and the science/biology behind it. It isn't as if they teach different positions, styles, and techniques for getting it on.

Well, there's also huge sections on topics like STDs and safe-sex. It's not just science/biology. And from a safe-sex and STD perspective, homosexual sex can be particularly risky if kids aren't educated properly.

rynthetyn:
Well, you really need to think about what you're saying/suggesting because leaving mention of homosexuality out of sex-ed is going to end up with gay kids who are woefully uninformed about safe sex.

How so? Offhand I'm not thinking of any homosexual safe-sex protocols that it wouldn't be sensible for heterosexuals to follow anyway, or vice versa.

Probably needs to be mentioned in the sexual history-of-your-partners discussion, though.

When you're dealing with members of a minority group and don't make specific mention of that group while making mention of the majority, members of the minority tend to assume that they aren't included. In order for gay kids to feel like the instruction applies to them too, you need to specifically make that fact clear.


I went to a school that had hetero-only sex ed... didn't really touch on STD's... talked about how condoms were to prevent pregnancy... I thought I had it made, fortunately my mom set me straight on STDs and all that. Ultimately, parenting is a job that needs to be done by parents, not farmed out to the state... if you want your kids to have a solid understanding of how sex works and whats dangerous/not dangerous about it, give them that solid understanding... don't count on someone raising your kid right.
 
2013-01-12 10:01:10 PM

reklamfox: Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.

Richmond Va is like goddamn Mr Rogers Neighborhood compared to SW VA. I live less than an hr away from Giles County. The same county that fought tooth and nail to keep the 10 commandments in public schools and harassed the family that filed a lawsuit with death threats and vandalism. NOVA is really like a different state compared to the rest of the region.


My family lives in Ohio, so I drive through SW Virginia frequently.  You're correct, it's a very scary place.  I don't like driving through there at night, and even during the day the people aren't that friendly.  It's also the only place I've ever gotten shiat for driving a Japanese car.
 
2013-01-12 10:06:47 PM
Alabama is the most backward dumbed down state in the union.
 
2013-01-12 10:09:56 PM

HighOnCraic: Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.

Did New Jersey ever have Jim Crow laws?
Or a city nicknamed "Bombingham"?


No, New Jersey was too smart for something that obvious. NJ does a good job of seggergating the races, a certain population lives in Newark, Camden, Trenton, New Brunswick, Sicklerville, and so forth and different population in Summit, Moorestown, Milburn, Montgomery, Scotch Plains, etc.

New Jersey has over 600 different towns with their own mayors, town councils, police departments, etc and over 650 different schools districts, with 20 school-less school districts. In the early days these towns and districts were formed to keep "them" out. Them can be darkies, Italians, Polish, etc
 
2013-01-12 10:18:30 PM

AirForceVet: We understand several local high school principals quote this Alabama law as why they won't allow Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) clubs on their campuses, even now after the SCOTUS decision.


Any that allow Bible clubs on their campus should be sued into oblivion.
 
2013-01-12 10:43:15 PM

Theory Of Null: Alabama is the most backward dumbed down state in the union.


Unfortunately, they're duking it out with Oklahoma and Kansas for that dubious honor.
 
2013-01-12 10:59:42 PM

Via Infinito: I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.


Have you ever been to Orange County? That's where all the rich white old people go to get away from the cesspit of moral turpitude that is Los Angeles.
 
2013-01-12 11:44:09 PM

Lord Dimwit: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?

Even granting for ...


We could take an argument against "classifying people by their desires" to a conclusion that pedophiles should not be classified as such. Would those who believe homosexuals can select or control their desires be just as comfortable believing pedophilia is a lifestyle choice that's made in spite of risks of severe criminal and social penalties that some consider worse than death?
 
2013-01-13 12:02:32 AM
MBrady

Seriously, just stop.
 
2013-01-13 12:14:14 AM

Via Infinito: I'm actually from AL. Joined the Army after college and escaped. Eventually got stationed back here in GA. Dammit. It took less than 3 months after getting back to the states for me to have the burning desire to leave again.


You can checkout anytime you want, but you can never leave!

Wahahahaha!
 
2013-01-13 12:19:10 AM

Linux_Yes: ..........but inbreeding with yore cusin' is jes fine!


One of your Linux deities is from Alabama. Shouldn't you be kneeling in prayer or recompiling an altar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Spencer_(computer_engineer)
 
2013-01-13 12:52:23 AM

Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great
 
2013-01-13 01:26:53 AM

ur14me: Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great


No, it's both. They are exercising their right to an opposing view. It's just a ignorant, bigoted view. Not all views are equally deserving of respect.
 
2013-01-13 01:37:35 AM

ur14me: Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great


wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com

I saw that cartoon again while lurking in a thread the other day and, while the subject matter is a little different, I think you could switch out the atheist out with a lot of other groups. Particularly gays.

Does it really confuse your poor little head that actually being bigoted gets people called a bigot? Are you really so surprised when no one wants to defend the asshole who can dish it out but can't take it?
 
2013-01-13 01:38:24 AM

ur14me: Ah, yes. The call of the Liberal-Minded Douchenugget: "If you don't accept me or my position, you're not exercising your right to an opposing view, you're just an ignorant bigot."

/Never gets old
//Not saying AL is right
///Saying opposing views are what makes this country great


It's as if you saw MBrady's posts and thought to yourself "Man, that's pretty stupid, but if I put my mind to it, I can post something even dumber than that."
 
2013-01-13 01:47:32 AM
That's scary. Hey conservatives and libs how about we try to meet in the middle and get this country back on track? How about we lay off gun control and restricting abortion rights. Why don't we accept that the LGBT community are people too and get on with making the country work? I mean is it really that hard?

/Libs stop being so darn mean to conservatives.
//Conservatives read a book.
 
2013-01-13 01:49:37 AM

Phony_Soldier: That's scary. Hey conservatives and libs how about we try to meet in the middle and get this country back on track? How about we lay off gun control and restricting abortion rights. Why don't we accept that the LGBT community are people too and get on with making the country work? I mean is it really that hard?

/Libs stop being so darn mean to conservatives.
//Conservatives read a book.


We should cut some military spending, raise some taxes, evaluate what gov employees are being paid (and reduce it if appropriate). Man, this country could be great if we could learn to work together.

/Why yes, I have been drinking.
 
2013-01-13 05:39:25 AM

MBrady: eraser8: MBrady: Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.

And, before Loving v Virginia.  Whites were free to marry anyone white and blacks -- and other non-whites -- were free to marry anyone not white.

Wasn't that accommodation enough?  Shouldn't that be sufficient for anybody?  Does it really matter that you're not allowed to marry the person you love most in the world?  After all, you're allowed to marry somebody.  Isn't that good enough?  Isn't that all the Constitution requires?

If I've misunderstood your position, please correct me.  Please explain the difference.

Homesexuals want to be considered a class of people by depicting themselves as victims who, like blacks, have been denied civil rights. That way, they can make people like you think that those who oppose their political agenda are discriminating against them rather then their behavior. According to people like you, conservatives are all bigots on par with racists and are opposed to fairness itself.

Nonsense! The comparison to homosexuality to race is completely invalid. Skin color is benign. Sexual behavior is not. Having a certain skin color does not hurt anyone. Homosexual behavior can and does hurt others. Sexual behavior is always a choice, race never is. You will find many former homosexuals, but you will not find a former black person.

Homosexuality is not an identity nor class, it is a behavior. Homosexuals are not a class of people anymore than heterosexuals are a class of people. We are males and females, not straights and gays.

Why should we start classifying people by their desires? Because if we start to classify people by what they desire to do sexually, then why not give people with all sexual desires special marriage rights? On what grounds can you say that same sex marriage is fine, but marriage involving polygamy, incest, and bestiality is not?


If sexuality is a choice, then YOU can choose to be attracted to the same sex if you want to. Do you actually think you can find others of your same sex attractive? Think about it....
 
2013-01-13 07:07:17 AM

Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


Because you're gay, or what?

... if you mean you're trying to get away from regional ignorance and arbitrary bigotry in general, I have some bad news for you, man. NASA has discontinued the manned moon landing program and manned Mars missions are probably a few decades away, minimum.

Until then, you're going to have to settle for just finding areas where the ignorance doesn't interfere with your own lifestyle too much.
 
2013-01-13 07:18:45 AM

marksman: If sexuality is a choice, then YOU can choose to be attracted to the same sex if you want to. Do you actually think you can find others of your same sex attractive? Think about it....


Since the majority of people don't hit either 0 or 6 on the Kinsey scale, to use the old phrasing that people are most likely to be familiar with, the general implication of what science tells us is that there's a substantial element of choice involved. If you're operating on the assumption that the majority of the population is a black/white discrete separation of straight and gay, you're missing some fairly substantial chunks of experimental psychology, there.

Albeit this entire line of argument is a red herring with regards to marriage contracts. Same-sex couples find such contracts useful, and allowing them to use them does not represent any kind of credible threat to public welfare, therefore the government has no business denying them access to the contract. The same can't be said of incest (increased incidence of recessive diseases in the population is a public health issue) or bestiality (diseases that hop species are encouranged by it, and those tend to be nasty, and since animals can't consent it would be a form of animal abuse, which is illegal and thus can't be put into a contract). Polygamy's dodgier, the issue there is more that it'd be a huge pain in the arse to modify all the surrounding legal structures of the institution (divorce rules, custody, inheritance, etc) than any real objection to the relationships themselves.
 
2013-01-13 07:35:05 AM
As a soverign state, Alabama can pass whatever laws it wishes. Oh, wait, I forgot that in the US, "state" is a just a synonym for "province."

Why is the US government's diplomatic arm called the "State Department?" It can't be because "state" is another term for "country." Because ours aren't. Souldn't it be the United States department? Because United States is the real country, right? States are just... well, states.

Sorry, the White House petition thread just got me thinking on how absurd our governmental system is. States are treated as soverign states, except when they are just treated a part of the bigger State.

Also, I'm a little drunk.
 
2013-01-13 08:18:51 AM

dantheman195: HighOnCraic: Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.

Did New Jersey ever have Jim Crow laws?
Or a city nicknamed "Bombingham"?

No, New Jersey was too smart for something that obvious. NJ does a good job of seggergating the races, a certain population lives in Newark, Camden, Trenton, New Brunswick, Sicklerville, and so forth and different population in Summit, Moorestown, Milburn, Montgomery, Scotch Plains, etc.

New Jersey has over 600 different towns with their own mayors, town councils, police departments, etc and over 650 different schools districts, with 20 school-less school districts. In the early days these towns and districts were formed to keep "them" out. Them can be darkies, Italians, Polish, etc


What the hell? Where in NJ are you guys? I was born and raised in Essex County, and it's one of the most diverse places I've ever encountered. Sure, there's lots of blacks and hispanics in the lower-income areas like Newark, East Orange, and lots of whites in wealthier parts like Bergen, Summit, but that's everywhere. Union, for example, is strongly middle class, and predominantly black/Latin. The middle class areas of Northern NJ are remarkably diverse, and racial tension is close to nonexistent (admittedly, in the 70s and earlier that wasn't the case, but again, that was everywhere).

Camden, yes, that's a problem. It's Jersey's answer to Detroit.

In my experience NJ has far more of a wealth/class divide than a racial one. Especially considering that black celebs like Chris Rock and Diddy have homes here.

If you think Jerseyans are obnoxious, wait till you give 'em money.
 
2013-01-13 08:30:51 AM

sendtodave: As a soverign state, Alabama can pass whatever laws it wishes. Oh, wait, I forgot that in the US, "state" is a just a synonym for "province."

Why is the US government's diplomatic arm called the "State Department?" It can't be because "state" is another term for "country." Because ours aren't. Souldn't it be the United States department? Because United States is the real country, right? States are just... well, states.

Sorry, the White House petition thread just got me thinking on how absurd our governmental system is. States are treated as soverign states, except when they are just treated a part of the bigger State.

Also, I'm a little drunk.


Alabama is one of fifty federated states in the USA, which is a sovereign state.

/KISS Army also not exactly the same thing as US Army
 
2013-01-13 09:42:24 AM

Krymson Tyde: Goddammit


Yeah, no doubt. I do find it interesting that you did get he first openly gay state rep. So you do have that going for you. Hopefully she'll get this shiat corrected.

/You do have CFB dominated, so there's that as well
 
2013-01-13 10:01:14 AM

Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.


Well....Bye.
 
2013-01-13 10:33:55 AM

EngineerAU: Linux_Yes: ..........but inbreeding with yore cusin' is jes fine!

One of your Linux deities is from Alabama. Shouldn't you be kneeling in prayer or recompiling an altar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Spencer_(computer_engineer)



hey, no one's perfect. his birthplace was not of his choosing.
 
2013-01-13 10:42:47 AM

MBrady: Rik01: This whole Gay thing is starting to become similar to how it was for the blacks before and during the Civil Rights movement.

Alabama was one of the states which would argue stubbornly how blacks were inferior and didn't deserve the rights given to other folks. They held on to many of their segregation laws long after other states had repealed their own.

It was a long, hard fight for Civil Rights and, apparently, Gays are going to have to face a similar one, encountering the same excuses that have been brought up for segregation over the decades. They're going to face massive walls of STUPID on all sides no matter what they do.

Why is gay marriage a "civil rights" issue? It is not, since they are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex.


Yes, they're absolutely free to have a loveless, sexless marriage and divorce bitterly years later after they've already been living a lie. You're an idiot and you should feel bad.
 
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