Goddammit

There's gonna be some educatin' going on once the repeal of Prop 8 becomes law of the land...

Aint no way in hell legislation would be willingly passed that would change that law in Alabama.

People love to carry that Constitution thingy around in their pockets but aren't much on reading it. I'm sure they will continue to try and push their religious views into law forever.

So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

sgnilward: There's gonna be some educatin' going on once the repeal of Prop 8 becomes law of the land...

Well, uh...I'm not sure about that...

FTFA: Contrary to what is reflected in this statute, same-sex sexual activity was legalized in the state in 2003, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in struck down all state laws banning sodomy. Not surprisingly, the Alabama legislature has not moved to repeal its now unenforceable state anti-sodomy law.

If they didn't repeal the state law in response to the SCOTUS's decision in Lawrence v. Texas, they aren't going to repeal it because of another SCOTUS decision either. Not unless someone manages to finagle a mandamus writ on the AL Legislature and I don't see that happening.

Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

We must summon the spirit of Clarence Darrow.  His work's not done.

We understand several local high school principals quote this Alabama law as why they won't allow Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) clubs on their campuses, even now after the SCOTUS decision. The only reconciliation I can take away from the principals' attitudes is that it teaches young people life is not fair and one has to deal with asshats in life.

Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

I can understand, but the levels you refer to vary depending on what part of the Southeast one lives in.  While Huntsville, AL is better than lots of places in Alabama, you still get yahoos from the outlying areas coming in.  Austin, TX is a wonderful place to live in that state.

Also, other parts of the US have their own unique levels of ignorance and bigotry. I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

This whole Gay thing is starting to become similar to how it was for the blacks before and during the Civil Rights movement.

Alabama was one of the states which would argue stubbornly how blacks were inferior and didn't deserve the rights given to other folks. They held on to many of their segregation laws long after other states had repealed their own.

It was a long, hard fight for Civil Rights and, apparently, Gays are going to have to face a similar one, encountering the same excuses that have been brought up for segregation over the decades. They're going to face massive walls of STUPID on all sides no matter what they do.

Legislators in the 'Bible Belt' are going to be particularly mule-headed.

I've suspected for ages that several Southern States just absolutely revel in being arse-holes. Their great-grand parents were, so were their grand folks, their Maw and Paw and now, they're carrying on the time honored tradition.

Goddammit. Hey science, get on that cloning thing. We need General Sherman NOW.

In addition to it being absolutely disgusting it is also factually wrong.

It is doubly factually wrong actually.  Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

I wonder if there is a State regulation or law against an official misrepresenting State law.

mrshowrules: In addition to it being absolutely disgusting it is also factually wrong.

It is doubly factually wrong actually.  Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

I wonder if there is a State regulation or law against an official misrepresenting State law.

I think this will end up being one of those incidents where the fed gov will send in troops to uphold SCOTUS decisions.

mrshowrules: It is doubly factually wrong actually. Not only were sodomy laws struck down in that State it was neither necessarily or exclusively a homosexual act.

Hmmm.

FTFA: 8) An emphasis, in a factual manner and from a public health perspective, that homosexuality is not a lifestyle acceptable to the general public and that homosexual conduct is a criminal offense under the laws of the state.

The first bolded part may or may not be true depending on the shifting winds of public opinion, but as long as the law attributes the second bolded part to the "laws of the state" then its not inaccurate. Its just that the laws of the state cannot be enforced because of the Lawrence decision. But the laws themselves still exist on the books--if somehow Lawrence were to be reversed they would become enforceable again, as I understand it.

AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.

I'm amazed that some parent of a gay kid hasn't gone down there in utter fury yet. I'd probably be very politely indicating my desire to lawyer up if the school did that to my kid.

PsiChick: I'm amazed that some parent of a gay kid hasn't gone down there in utter fury yet. I'd probably be very politely indicating my desire to lawyer up if the school did that to my kid.

Because their child is already in "pray the gay away camp". No self respecting Alabamian would admit their child is gay, just "confused"

/seriously though it would probably be a giant sign for the derp brigade's neanderthal children that says mercilessly torture my child in school until he's old enough to drop out/graduate/kills himself.

So they have a law that requires teachers to lie to their students?

Simple solution: pass a new law, or better yet State Constitutional Amendment, that requires that teachers only tell the truth to their students, without enumerating specific instances. Who would vote against that?

Krymson Tyde: Godscrack: So basically now in Alabama (and a few other states apparently) you are considered criminal unless you're wealthy, white/anglo, heterosexual Christian and preferably male...?

Because that's the pattern I've been seeing for some time now.

For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

Take me with you!

Also



/oblige

Doktor_Zhivago: PsiChick: I'm amazed that some parent of a gay kid hasn't gone down there in utter fury yet. I'd probably be very politely indicating my desire to lawyer up if the school did that to my kid.

Because their child is already in "pray the gay away camp". No self respecting Alabamian would admit their child is gay, just "confused"

/seriously though it would probably be a giant sign for the derp brigade's neanderthal children that says mercilessly torture my child in school until he's old enough to drop out/graduate/kills himself.

It's actually illegal in Nevada for teachers to discuss students with other students by name. I'd imagine the same applies in Alabama. So if you take care of it after school hours and the kids all suddenly know who's gay...

Well, that'd be a  really easy lawsuit.

/And at that point, I'd homeschool. The kid's not getting an education otherwise anyway.

Last time I was visiting my relatives in Germany, I found out my cousin is gay. I was amazed (sorry) at how open and accepting they were about it.
My aunt and uncle were telling me he was bringing his boyfriend, and asked whether I had a problem with that.

I told them I was a guest in the home in which he was born and raised, and if I had a problem, I should be obligated to see myself out.

Anyways, what bothered me is I think they were asking if I had a problem because of my nationality, as if it could override bloodline or my love for my cousin. Not sure how European nations feel about it, though, to be honest, compared to us.

Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

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Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.

I was surprised to see that Orange county is red, but then I remembered that's where Saddleback is.

Lsherm: AirForceVet: I'll pick on Utah for one, but there's plenty of other states with nasty attitudes as well.

New jersey is the most racist state I've ever been in.  And I live near Richmond, VA.  I know racism.  Southerners like to lie to themselves and consider their racism "genteel" - but there's a nugget of truth buried under that shiatpile.  Racism in New Jersey is loud, obnoxious, and very much out in the open.

Did New Jersey ever have Jim Crow laws?
Or a city nicknamed "Bombingham"?

Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

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Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.

I live in one of the (light) red counties.  It's not really too bad.  It goes R for national offices, but the last two elections, even with Balrog HUSSEIN Fartb0ng0, it was like 53-47 or closer.  Clinton won the county in 1992, but only because of Perot (who got 30%).

But outside the largest "city," where I live (population 7500), it's fkn backwoods Mississippi.

This isn't surprising the Alabama State Constitution has separate schools for whites and blacks still

Stone Meadow: Krymson Tyde: For the first time in my life I am looking for a job outside of the southeast US.

I've gotten just that fed up with the ignorance and bigotry here.

If you move to Cali be sure to settle in a blue county. The Derp in our red counties takes a back seat to no one.

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Come to think of it, though, the blue counties are the nice ones to live and work in anyway. So there's that.

That's why I loved the Bay Area.  Loved living there (San Mateo County).  Loved working there (San Francisco and Santa Clara Counties).  I masturbate to thoughts of moving back.

And, as great as the Bay Area was, driving through Bakersfield was like living a nightmare.

I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that your map shows San Diego County in blue.  I always thought of San Diego as pretty Republican.