SilentStrider: As long as he's just the o-coordinator, it probably wouldn't be a bad thing. He's good at that job.
Its the head coaching thing he sucks at.

Yeah, I think he'd be decent as an OC.  Cleveland's clearly set out to hire coaching this offseason.

Now if someone could just figure out what the fark is wrong with Bud Adams and why he's firing our good coaches (ST, Linebackers) and not our DC, I'd be much happier.  We had 3 ST touchdowns this year, more than anyone else in the league, were 2nd in average punt returns and 15th in kickoffs.  Clearly, our STC needed fired.

And this is why the Browns never win.

SilentStrider: As long as he's just the o-coordinator, it probably wouldn't be a bad thing. He's good at that job.
Its the head coaching thing he sucks at.

if he has the same level of talent available, especially across the offensive line, as in Dallas then I'm sure he will once again be a great OC

whyRpeoplesostupid: bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.


Someone has forgotten that Turner was the Cowboy's OC when they were actually a good team in the early 90's.

SilentStrider: As long as he's just the o-coordinator, it probably wouldn't be a bad thing. He's good at that job.
Its the head coaching thing he sucks at.

Hiring an experienced head coach to serve as OC under a former OC, now rookie head coach is begging for second guessing. They might as well sign Tebow, too.

Sorry, but Norv will get his knife in Chud's back and be heach coach by 2015.

the_innkeeper: whyRpeoplesostupid: bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.


Someone has forgotten that Turner was the Cowboy's OC when they were actually a good team in the early 90's.

Which is why people keep trying to make Norv a head coach. He's a good enough coordinator that people look at that success and go "Hey, maybe THIS TIME he'll be a good head coach!"

Norv isn't a bad head coach, he's not great but he's ok. Before San Diego he was HC for Al Davis and Dan Snyder. He was okay with the Chargers but a ton of talent was lost off that team that was never replaced.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

They never win because they always hire Norv Turner as their OC? explain.

the_innkeeper: Someone has forgotten that Turner was the Cowboy's OC when they were uncapped with Smith, Aikman, Irvin, Johnson, Novacek and an enormous OL actually a good team in the early 90's.

Someone has forgotten why they were good in the early 90's.

Thanks for taking Chud off our hands and good luck with that...

TheOther: heach coach

Jeez...I spell worse than the Browns play football!

In other news, Philip Rivers named Assistant Manager of Scottsdale-area Hardees

They should hire a few more OC to be on the staff. Sparano is available I heard. You can never have too many coaches trying to run the offense.

GAT_00: SilentStrider: As long as he's just the o-coordinator, it probably wouldn't be a bad thing. He's good at that job.
Its the head coaching thing he sucks at.

Yeah, I think he'd be decent as an OC.  Cleveland's clearly set out to hire coaching this offseason.

Now if someone could just figure out what the fark is wrong with Bud Adams and why he's firing our good coaches (ST, Linebackers) and not our DC, I'd be much happier.  We had 3 ST touchdowns this year, more than anyone else in the league, were 2nd in average punt returns and 15th in kickoffs.  Clearly, our STC needed fired.

Meanwhile, ours allowed 4 ST touchdowns in a 2 game period and our returner knelt down at the 4 yard line, and our ST Coordinator gets to keep his job.

Hillbilly Jim: Norv isn't a bad head coach, he's not great but he's ok. Before San Diego he was HC for Al Davis and Dan Snyder. He was okay with the Chargers but a ton of talent was lost off that team that was never replaced.

If 'ok' is code for massive underachievement with a team that should have been consistently winning 8-10 games every year then sure; he was ok.

Should've used Norvaway

Ken VeryBigLiar: If 'ok' is code for massive underachievement with a team that should have been consistently winning 8-10 games every year then sure; he was ok.

"Should have" been winning 8-10 games per year? Did they not do that? This year's 7-9 record was Norv's worst year.

For those of you who keep bringing up Dallas:

Yes, he was a decent OC. But remember the man who built that dynasty was Vikings GM Mike Lynn.

mikaloyd: Somebody check on cavalier eternal please. I would but seeing people twirling at the end of a rope depresses me

Then whatever you do, don't go to cleveland.com and read any comments. Everyone there is close to committing suicide.

Looks like they are also about to switch to 3-4 defense and drop Jauron. Great move, since they have been acquiring talented DTs for the last few years after switching back from 3-4. And also have no LBs besides Jackson...

Factory of Sadness shall continue!

TheOther: the_innkeeper: Someone has forgotten that Turner was the Cowboy's OC when they were uncapped with Smith, Aikman, Irvin, Johnson, Novacek and an enormous OL actually a good team in the early 90's.

Someone has forgotten why they were good in the early 90's.

Because they got to play the bills in the Super Bowl?

/bills fan :(

mikaloyd: Somebody check on cavalier eternal please. I would but seeing people twirling at the end of a rope depresses me

I don't know, it seems like CavalierEternal is the type of overly optimistic Cleveland sports fan that always thinks the Browns are on the cusp of getting to the playoffs. If he was defending the Chud hire a few days ago, I'm sure he can defend this.

That_Dude: mikaloyd: Somebody check on cavalier eternal please. I would but seeing people twirling at the end of a rope depresses me

I don't know, it seems like CavalierEternal is the type of overly optimistic Cleveland sports fan that always thinks the Browns are on the cusp of getting to the playoffs. If he was defending the Chud hire a few days ago, I'm sure he can defend this.

He's a 'the glass is half full of hemlock' kinda guy.

Hillbilly Jim: Norv isn't a bad head coach, he's not great but he's ok. Before San Diego he was HC for Al Davis and Dan Snyder. He was okay with the Chargers but a ton of talent was lost off that team that was never replaced.

Norv is the king of mediocrity.

SilentStrider: As long as he's just the o-coordinator, it probably wouldn't be a bad thing. He's good at that job.
Its the head coaching thing he sucks at.

Yeah I don't see why some people can't seem to separate the coordinator positions with the head coach. Norv was a good OC with Dallas. One could argue that just about anyone could have been with the tools he had to work with but he did help them get some rings. He just sucks as a HC.

Was sorry to see him leave SD.

/Raider fan ;)

mikaloyd: Somebody check on cavalier eternal please. I would but seeing people twirling at the end of a rope depresses me

From the CHUD hire thread yesterday:

CavalierEternal: I like the hire. A few years ago, he almost landed the HC job in Baltimore until he decided to re-sign as Cleveland's OC. If Norv (NORV!) comes in as OC like they're reporting, we should at least have a watchable offense this season.

Sounds like he's okay with this.

the_innkeeper: whyRpeoplesostupid: bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.

bborchar: And this is why the Browns never win.


Someone has forgotten that Turner was the Cowboy's OC when they were actually a good team in the early 90's.

Pretty sure June Jones as OC of that team would have 2 Super Bowl rings.

CavalierEternal: That_Dude: mikaloyd: Somebody check on cavalier eternal please. I would but seeing people twirling at the end of a rope depresses me

I don't know, it seems like CavalierEternal is the type of overly optimistic Cleveland sports fan that always thinks the Browns are on the cusp of getting to the playoffs. If he was defending the Chud hire a few days ago, I'm sure he can defend this.

:ties noose:



I'm torn. My first instinct is to sob and cry at the mention of the name "Derek Anderson", but as I sat and thought about it, he's a better backup than Colt McCoy for a deeper, more aggressive passing game. Well, maybe not better, but one who fits the system more. So I don't know. I just hope they can get something for Colt. He didn't get a fair shake in Cleveland (like many other young QBs). I hope he gets a chance to prove he either deserved better or deserved to be dicked around.

crazytrain: Thanks for taking Chud off our hands and good luck with that...

QF MF'n T

TheOther: That_Dude: mikaloyd: Somebody check on cavalier eternal please. I would but seeing people twirling at the end of a rope depresses me

I don't know, it seems like CavalierEternal is the type of overly optimistic Cleveland sports fan that always thinks the Browns are on the cusp of getting to the playoffs. If he was defending the Chud hire a few days ago, I'm sure he can defend this.

He's a 'the glass is half full of hemlock' kinda guy.

Offseason optimism is the only thing keeping Browns fans alive.

The Skeptical Chemist: Ken VeryBigLiar: If 'ok' is code for massive underachievement with a team that should have been consistently winning 8-10 games every year then sure; he was ok.

"Should have" been winning 8-10 games per year? Did they not do that? This year's 7-9 record was Norv's worst year.

And 7-9 with an offensive line that was about as talented as cardboard cutouts of them would have been isn't that terrible. AJ Smith burned down a great team John Butler had put together, but for some reason people who aren't paying attention blame Norv for AJ's failings.

CavalierEternal: LoneDoggie: crazytrain: Thanks for taking Chud off our hands and good luck with that...

QF MF'n T

Rumor is Pat Shurmur may be landing in Carolina.

Be careful what you wish for...

I thought I heard rumors that he was gonna be one of Andy Reid's assistants in KC, along with Childress.