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(Talking Points Memo)   Remember the crazy guy who said he'd start shooting people if his second amendment rights were infringed? Yeah, the state of Tennessee just suspended his handgun carry permit   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 548
    More: Followup, Tenn, Department of Safety, James Yeager, handguns, handgun carry  
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2013-01-11 09:27:37 PM  
And they only started 'reviling' him after he publicly made them look bad. You are supposed to be a nutter quietly like the rest of them, not show it to the rest of the world.
 
2013-01-11 09:27:40 PM  
i471.photobucket.com

"The number one priority for our department is to ensure the public's safety," wrote Commissioner Bill Gibbons.
 
2013-01-11 09:28:32 PM  
Good call.
 
2013-01-11 09:28:52 PM  

Heraclitus: Has his mother ever had him tested?


Yes, and promptly put him up for adoption.
 
2013-01-11 09:29:42 PM  

propasaurus: I bet he considers himself a safe, sane, rational and responsible gun owner.


No, that would be the millions who are only starting to speak up now. It might take a while but the volume will get loud enough to be heard around the world.
 
2013-01-11 09:30:07 PM  
Yes, asking the internet to stop sending you unwanted emails will certainly work. Keep it up.
 
2013-01-11 09:31:45 PM  
Can I point out the cognitive dissonance I'm registering?

The posts on this thread expressing 'good' in response to his permit being revoked are happily accepting that those are legitimate consequences for the content of his 'speech'. And even though most of you misunderstand what free speech applies to, you rightly prize it.

So riddle me this: what leads people to accept curbs and limits on the 1st Amendment, but to freak out if anyone suggests limitations on the 2nd Amendment?

/btw, my response to the permit being revoked is: good.
// my second response is to turn the interwebs to a local Tennessee feed- I expect something bad will happen.
/// Good + Bad = x, solve for x
 
2013-01-11 09:32:38 PM  
Dear Mr. Yeager,

You're not helping.

Sincerely,
The rest of us that support the right to bear arms.

Seriously, it's nutcases like this that make people afraid of gun owners. There are lots and lots of responsible, kind, sensible, intelligent folks out there that happen to own guns. They're not a stereotype - they're just gun owners. Then, there's this moron, the kind of guy that stuffs himself into the stereotype, and then runs his mouth off, validating the very stereotype that makes other gun owners wince.
 
2013-01-11 09:32:44 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-11 09:33:00 PM  

NotSoFunkyPhantom: I guess he could shoot me if he wants. I can't afford my own gun and I'm ready to call it a life.


Hmm. You okay? That last bit is worrisome.
 
2013-01-11 09:33:46 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: propasaurus: I bet he considers himself a safe, sane, rational and responsible gun owner.

No, that would be the millions who are only starting to speak up now. It might take a while but the volume will get loud enough to be heard around the world.


suuuuuuure there buddy is it sunny in LaLa land today? any post-society pulp fics making the rounds i should read under the oomla tree while I'm here?
 
2013-01-11 09:33:49 PM  

llachlan: gadian: So, is he going to live up to his word now? Start killing people? They did take his guns.

No, they let him keep the guns, he just can't carry them. Not that he'll listen, of course.


He can carry them. Just not concealed. And revoking his CCW permit is pretty much the same thing as a UN letter.
 
2013-01-11 09:34:18 PM  
Today I learned that there is such a thing as the "Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security"

/Feels safer now.
 
2013-01-11 09:34:44 PM  
James Yeager in 10 years


stagevu.com
 
2013-01-11 09:35:58 PM  

Blues_X: Good.

Careful

. You don't want to sound too emphatic, making you look like a gun-grabber.
 
2013-01-11 09:36:30 PM  

Old enough to know better: Nothing warms my heart more than watching an Internet Toughguy turn into a whiny biatch when they learn that their words have consequences.


So you are saying he should start complaining about his First Amendment rights being violates.

You all know that's the next step.
 
2013-01-11 09:37:10 PM  
Ya, no concealed weapon permit is going to stop a combat vet/PMC with access to full auto long arms (real assault weapons for you slow people) from doing something bad.

I hear that criminals also carry their illegal weapons concealed, with no permit.
 
2013-01-11 09:37:21 PM  

llachlan: Can I point out the cognitive dissonance I'm registering?

The posts on this thread expressing 'good' in response to his permit being revoked are happily accepting that those are legitimate consequences for the content of his 'speech'. And even though most of you misunderstand what free speech applies to, you rightly prize it.

So riddle me this: what leads people to accept curbs and limits on the 1st Amendment, but to freak out if anyone suggests limitations on the 2nd Amendment?

/btw, my response to the permit being revoked is: good.
// my second response is to turn the interwebs to a local Tennessee feed- I expect something bad will happen.
/// Good + Bad = x, solve for x


Last I checked a threat on the life of another person or to society as a whole is a fairly reasonable area to legislate in regards to an individual's right to free speech.
 
2013-01-11 09:37:22 PM  

NotSoFunkyPhantom: I guess he could shoot me if he wants. I can't afford my own gun and I'm ready to call it a life.


Hi,

I'm not sure what to offer, but I will listen if that will help. I'm more than a little concerned about you.
 
2013-01-11 09:37:56 PM  

Gerard Repe: NotSoFunkyPhantom: I guess he could shoot me if he wants. I can't afford my own gun and I'm ready to call it a life.

Hmm. You okay? That last bit is worrisome.


Agreed. Please don't kill yourself with a gun; use an axe...

*)
 
2013-01-11 09:39:06 PM  
If they really cared about public safety, officials would have seized his Prozac.
 
2013-01-11 09:39:12 PM  

EvilEgg: But they let him keep his guns, he just has to promise not to carry them.  Psychopaths are known for their scrupulous honesty.


I'd be willing to bet the Camden, Tennessee police department have all memorized his face and license plate number by now. It may be years before he's able to sneak a loaded gun out of the house.
 
2013-01-11 09:39:21 PM  

Indubitably: Gerard Repe: NotSoFunkyPhantom: I guess he could shoot me if he wants. I can't afford my own gun and I'm ready to call it a life.

Hmm. You okay? That last bit is worrisome.

Agreed. Please don't kill yourself with a gun; use an axe...

*)


JK. Please stand down with the violence against self, for that is not what violence is all about, man.
 
2013-01-11 09:40:03 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: Gerard Repe: NotSoFunkyPhantom: I guess he could shoot me if he wants. I can't afford my own gun and I'm ready to call it a life.

Hmm. You okay? That last bit is worrisome.

Agreed. Please don't kill yourself with a gun; use an axe...

*)

JK. Please stand down with the violence against self, for that is not what violence is all about, man.


P.S. Deviolence, please. Thank you.
 
2013-01-11 09:40:44 PM  

ObamaTheOmnipotent: James Yeager in 10 years


More like:

www.zuguide.com
 
2013-01-11 09:41:19 PM  
there is not a [Nelson_Muntz.jpg] big enough to express my elation.
 
2013-01-11 09:41:22 PM  

edmo: Good. Keep the guns out of the hands of nutjobs.


This. If you're a semiliterate whack job with anger issues you shouldn't be allowed to carry concealed or otherwise.
 
2013-01-11 09:41:42 PM  

llachlan: Can I point out the cognitive dissonance I'm registering?

The posts on this thread expressing 'good' in response to his permit being revoked are happily accepting that those are legitimate consequences for the content of his 'speech'. And even though most of you misunderstand what free speech applies to, you rightly prize it.

So riddle me this: what leads people to accept curbs and limits on the 1st Amendment, but to freak out if anyone suggests limitations on the 2nd Amendment?

/btw, my response to the permit being revoked is: good.
// my second response is to turn the interwebs to a local Tennessee feed- I expect something bad will happen.
/// Good + Bad = x, solve for x


You don't have the right to make threats of violence.

Rights are not absolute, they do have limits and those limits can be revised.

This includes the 2nd Amendment.
 
2013-01-11 09:42:35 PM  

llachlan: Can I point out the cognitive dissonance I'm registering?

The posts on this thread expressing 'good' in response to his permit being revoked are happily accepting that those are legitimate consequences for the content of his 'speech'. And even though most of you misunderstand what free speech applies to, you rightly prize it.

So riddle me this: what leads people to accept curbs and limits on the 1st Amendment, but to freak out if anyone suggests limitations on the 2nd Amendment?

/btw, my response to the permit being revoked is: good.
// my second response is to turn the interwebs to a local Tennessee feed- I expect something bad will happen.
/// Good + Bad = x, solve for x


ALL amendments are not absolute.  A threat to shoot people is not protected by the 1st amendment.   The right to bear arms is not absolute , for example criminals and ex cons are not allowed to have them (Vary in state, of course)
 
2013-01-11 09:43:37 PM  

llachlan: Can I point out the cognitive dissonance I'm registering?

The posts on this thread expressing 'good' in response to his permit being revoked are happily accepting that those are legitimate consequences for the content of his 'speech'. And even though most of you misunderstand what free speech applies to, you rightly prize it.

So riddle me this: what leads people to accept curbs and limits on the 1st Amendment, but to freak out if anyone suggests limitations on the 2nd Amendment?

/btw, my response to the permit being revoked is: good.
// my second response is to turn the interwebs to a local Tennessee feed- I expect something bad will happen.
/// Good + Bad = x, solve for x


Yawn, you can't sell fire in a crowded theater, you can't invite others to violence. Your rights end where mine begin. Stop being intellectually dishonest.
 
2013-01-11 09:45:31 PM  

Sherman Potter: violentsalvation: I don't think you'll find many pro-gun people on fark who have a problem with this.

If you frequent any of the gun boards on the internet, you'll find that this guy is pretty-much universally reviled. He's a major d-bag that even the gun community doesn't want to associate with.

You folks trying to portray him as a spokesman for the gun community need to find a narrower brush.


Portraying him as such better fits their agenda and preconceived notions about gun owners. They can say, "See? That's a gun owner! That's who doesn't agree with us, that's your opposition!" If they reduced the entire gun rights crowd to a 2 dimensional caricature of a whack shiat hillbilly, they make it easier for themselves to dismiss out of hand any dialogue coming out of that corner. You don't debate people like that, you tell them what's best because they're too ignorant to see it for themselves. If they weren't, they'd already agree with you wouldn't they?
 
2013-01-11 09:46:21 PM  

llachlan: Can I point out the cognitive dissonance I'm registering?

The posts on this thread expressing 'good' in response to his permit being revoked are happily accepting that those are legitimate consequences for the content of his 'speech'. And even though most of you misunderstand what free speech applies to, you rightly prize it.

So riddle me this: what leads people to accept curbs and limits on the 1st Amendment, but to freak out if anyone suggests limitations on the 2nd Amendment?

/btw, my response to the permit being revoked is: good.
// my second response is to turn the interwebs to a local Tennessee feed- I expect something bad will happen.
/// Good + Bad = x, solve for x


This. This with cheese on top.

/Fark the ACLU
//Former ACLU cardholder (Emphasis on "Former")
 
2013-01-11 09:47:03 PM  
i309.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-11 09:47:36 PM  
i.imgur.com
Gunfarking-tastic!
 
2013-01-11 09:48:09 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: llachlan: Can I point out the cognitive dissonance I'm registering?

The posts on this thread expressing 'good' in response to his permit being revoked are happily accepting that those are legitimate consequences for the content of his 'speech'. And even though most of you misunderstand what free speech applies to, you rightly prize it.

So riddle me this: what leads people to accept curbs and limits on the 1st Amendment, but to freak out if anyone suggests limitations on the 2nd Amendment?

/btw, my response to the permit being revoked is: good.
// my second response is to turn the interwebs to a local Tennessee feed- I expect something bad will happen.
/// Good + Bad = x, solve for x

ALL amendments are not absolute.  A threat to shoot people is not protected by the 1st amendment.   The right to bear arms is not absolute , for example criminals and ex cons are not allowed to have them (Vary in state, of course)


Oh, I understand that - but it does strike me as odd when I listen to the gun control debate rage around me, that curbs to the 1st, 5th, 6th and 7th are accepted as reasonable (by and large) but the reactions to curbing the 2nd are almost hysterical in their tone. Or maybe it's just me.
 
zeg
2013-01-11 09:48:56 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: You don't have the right to make threats of violence.

Rights are not absolute, they do have limits and those limits can be revised.

This includes the 2nd Amendment.


Exactly. Making a video where you say, "It is unconscionable and I will stand up to defend my unfettered right to possess firearms, and I urge other citizens to do the same," should not have any legal consequences. Making a video where you say, "I will kill people if..." is entirely different.
 
2013-01-11 09:49:16 PM  
I have to admit, this is a case where gun laws worked.
 
2013-01-11 09:50:09 PM  
Koodz: I'd be willing to bet the Camden, Tennessee police department have all memorized his face and license plate number by now. It may be years before he's able to sneak a loaded gun out of the house.

He's a rich white guy.  Why would they care?
 
2013-01-11 09:52:22 PM  
So they took away his right to carry a firearm in public but he still has them? Yea this will end well, dude needs 10 days of observation in a psych ward.
 
2013-01-11 09:52:34 PM  
roguecity.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-11 09:54:09 PM  

ReaverZ: Yawn, you can't sell fire in a crowded theater, you can't invite others to violence.


In Canada you aren't allowed to sell ice to Eskimos either.

/Btw, selling fire must be like a Zen koan for the Wall St. crowd. That's gotta blow their minds.
 
2013-01-11 09:54:40 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-11 09:55:18 PM  

ReaverZ: llachlan: Can I point out the cognitive dissonance I'm registering?

The posts on this thread expressing 'good' in response to his permit being revoked are happily accepting that those are legitimate consequences for the content of his 'speech'. And even though most of you misunderstand what free speech applies to, you rightly prize it.

So riddle me this: what leads people to accept curbs and limits on the 1st Amendment, but to freak out if anyone suggests limitations on the 2nd Amendment?

/btw, my response to the permit being revoked is: good.
// my second response is to turn the interwebs to a local Tennessee feed- I expect something bad will happen.
/// Good + Bad = x, solve for x

Yawn, you can't sell fire in a crowded theater, you can't invite others to violence. Your rights end where mine begin. Stop being intellectually dishonest.


You so missed what I was getting at. I totally understand why we limit the 1st. What I am having trouble with is understanding why the reaction to applying the same logic to the 2nd is so vociferous. Btw, even in Canada, where we have no 1st Amendment, you can't yell fire in a theatre.

I wasn't trying to be intellectually dishonest in any way. I live and work in the US, and while I thought I had a good grasp of the culture as compared to back home, I have recently realized that I actually truly understand very little of it - I'm not culturally equipped for it, I guess. As an outsider (who supports your right to bear arms), I am honestly surprised at how reactions to curbing various amendments differ (and my questions apply as much to the 5th, 6th and 7th as to the 1st versus the 2nd).
 
2013-01-11 09:55:28 PM  

FormlessOne: Dear Mr. Yeager,

You're not helping.

Sincerely,
The rest of us that support the right to bear arms.

Seriously, it's nutcases like this that make people afraid of gun owners. There are lots and lots of responsible, kind, sensible, intelligent folks out there that happen to own guns. They're not a stereotype - they're just gun owners. Then, there's this moron, the kind of guy that stuffs himself into the stereotype, and then runs his mouth off, validating the very stereotype that makes other gun owners wince.


I used to have a sort of casual view of gun owners. I sort of didn't know who in my life was a gun owner. never came up.

Now.... I'm starting to think that gun owners are not as rational as they think they are. I've listened to people that I had assumed were pretty with it say some awfully dumb things in the last few months.

These aren't the way-out-there nutcases. These are regular gun owners from a casual inspection. I'm not sure I trust their judgment.

In short, even the run-of-the-mill gun owners are not impressing me all that much. Some are family and I'll just have to suck it up, others I probably will be just seeing less of. The group is self-selecting, so that is probably part of it, but I also think artifact itself influences how people think.
 
2013-01-11 09:55:55 PM  

llachlan: Can I point out the cognitive dissonance I'm registering?

The posts on this thread expressing 'good' in response to his permit being revoked are happily accepting that those are legitimate consequences for the content of his 'speech'. And even though most of you misunderstand what free speech applies to, you rightly prize it.

So riddle me this: what leads people to accept curbs and limits on the 1st Amendment, but to freak out if anyone suggests limitations on the 2nd Amendment?

/btw, my response to the permit being revoked is: good.
// my second response is to turn the interwebs to a local Tennessee feed- I expect something bad will happen.
/// Good + Bad = x, solve for x


x=42, or beer. Or 42 beer. Which ever comes last.
 
2013-01-11 09:56:01 PM  

EvilEgg: But they let him keep his guns, he just has to promise not to carry them.  Psychopaths are known for their scrupulous honesty.


This
 
2013-01-11 09:56:10 PM  

Ow My Balls: [i471.photobucket.com image 236x357]

"The number one priority for our department is to ensure the public's safety," wrote Commissioner Bill Gibbons.


Thanks - I've got LaGrange earworm now.
 
2013-01-11 09:57:46 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-11 09:57:59 PM  
These gun control threads must really be driving the page views. I'd swear they're multiplying when we're not looking.
 
2013-01-11 10:00:02 PM  

fnordfocus: Koodz: I'd be willing to bet the Camden, Tennessee police department have all memorized his face and license plate number by now. It may be years before he's able to sneak a loaded gun out of the house.

He's a rich white guy.  Why would they care?


I'm not sure that being "CEO" of four guys running a shooting range and giving seminars to survivalists counts as rich, unless some other article has done some research on that.

If he IS rich (and Tennessee Rich is barely six figures) then I withdraw my statement.
 
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