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(Daily Mail)   New gun turns anyone into a sharpshooter able to hit a target almost one mile away. What could possibly go wrong?   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-01-11 09:21:20 PM  

BronyMedic: Bored Horde: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

An invention of brilliant salespeople

THIS. So much this.

Gun purchases down? Need a way to boost ammunition sales since all that 5.56 is vastly overpriced on account of the Government buying it all up? A little fear-mongering and we're back in business, baby!


Obama's been the best gun salesman this country has ever seen.
 
2013-01-11 09:21:21 PM  
www.pureanimegallery.com

it's been done.
 
2013-01-11 09:21:24 PM  

Lsherm: Yeah, it does all that, too. That's why they use the two factor aiming system - the dot paints the target and the crosshairs line up according to the calculations the scope makes. Then the entire thing locks the trigger until you've lined up the shot according to where the scope wants you to point it.


That's pretty cool then! :) If I wanted to take a shot that long, though, I'd rather train myself to do it the old fashioned way.
 
2013-01-11 09:21:34 PM  
After 6 beers and a couple don julio's, I'm 6 ft tall and bullet-proof.

Not scared cause I'm feeling all ninja and shiat.
 
2013-01-11 09:21:44 PM  

madgordy: this is my rifle, this is my gun one is for fighting the other is for gun grabbering.

I could hit a profile target at 3 miles with my m14, and it did not cost me 17000


Pull the other one.
 
2013-01-11 09:22:07 PM  

EvilEgg: Is it just a scope that tells you where to aim?  I assume I can't just point it at my foot and pull the trigger, a la the Fifth Element.

Because holding a gun steady enough to hit something a mile away is a skill all of its own.


It's the Daily Fail... not only a UK paper, but not one of their more responsible ones.

Of course folks who don't know shiat about guns thinks it will make people into super accurate shooters... they don't know shiat and don't realize they don't know shiat. They don't realize that you can't just toss some piker into an F1 car and have a championship contender.

It's a nice piece of kit, but at a damn near unobtainable price and still useless unless you have some extremely good long range precision shooting skills.

In short: this scope is neat, but it's never going to factor into crime. All it does is automate things long range precision shooters do anyway. Some gangsta schlub isn't going to toss one on his AK and start drilling orphans at 1000 yards.
 
2013-01-11 09:22:19 PM  
Apparently Subby has issues with being able to hunt deer from a mile off.
 
2013-01-11 09:22:40 PM  

darthdrafter: In WW1 they were commonly called 'trench sweepers'.


I like that one. "Playground sweepers" ought to get the conversation headed in the right direction.
 
2013-01-11 09:24:08 PM  
*click*
 
2013-01-11 09:24:10 PM  
Oh, and out yourself, subby. What COULD go wrong that can't already?
 
2013-01-11 09:25:22 PM  

El_Swino: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

It's a marketing term used to drive sales and NRA donations. In general, a good marketing hook is short and sweet. "Gun grabber" is not only a very short phrase that conjures up a specific fantasy image and invokes the expected reaction, but the alliterative value of the two g's give it extra impact. From a marketing standpoint, it's a very punchy slogan. And like most marketing slogans, it's complete bullshiat. But for the NRA, like any other organization selling a product or service, it's not about facts, it's about money.


Then I guess when people like Cuomo talk about confiscation, they don't mean grabbing. Let's call it (looks in thesaurus) snatching.
 
2013-01-11 09:25:54 PM  

NotSoFunkyPhantom: I still couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it.


And yet, you could probably sneak up on this weekend commando with a cheap .22 revolver and steal everything he has down to his camo panties.
 
2013-01-11 09:26:11 PM  
Interesting system but I'd go with the .408 CheyTac M200. Electronics and battery failure is a biatch. It uses a handheld ballistics computer but it ties-in with a traditional rifle scope. As a member of the 1000yd club, I can say you'd better know your weapon and ammo or all the world's electronics are useless.

\show me your work on the board, Fapp
 
2013-01-11 09:26:35 PM  
yeah...at $17k a rifle I don't think this is gonna be much of an issue.  Now, if it cost like...$25 and was easily duplicated you might have a problem.
 
2013-01-11 09:26:50 PM  

EvilEgg: GoldSpider: Lsherm: It's more than just the scope - that's the beauty of it. If you watch the training video, it paints your target with a red dot, then gives you crosshairs you have to line up with the red dot. However, the trigger is locked until you've actually lined up the shot, so it's damn near impossible to miss.

If it doesn't automatically correct for wind or elevation, then it's ability to make anyone a "sharpshooter" is somewhat limited.

/DNRTFA

It does compensate for to wind and elevation.  But I still doubt your average novice's ability to hold it steady enough to hit a person a mile away, even with the trigger lock.



Maybe, but it does have a bipod.  Not that I could afford one, but I'd like to try one out just to see how well it really does.  I like gadgets and I have terrible eyesight and hand-eye coordination, so I'd be a good test case.
 
2013-01-11 09:27:06 PM  

GoldSpider: darthdrafter: In WW1 they were commonly called 'trench sweepers'.

I like that one. "Playground sweepers" ought to get the conversation headed in the right direction.


Kinderguns.
 
2013-01-11 09:27:25 PM  
I absolutely am positive this gun system will never be used in a mass shooting.

CruiserTwelve: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"


Hoplophobes. People so scared of weapons they believe the best course of action is to pretend they can get rid of them all. Most suffer delusions that they're not trying to get rid of guns.
 
2013-01-11 09:28:40 PM  
GoldSpider

So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?

You mean Splatterbooms?
 
2013-01-11 09:28:53 PM  

darthdrafter: GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?

In WW1 they were commonly called 'trench sweepers'.


That was the Winchester Model 1897 in a 12 gauge - pump action with an exposed hammer. I've got the long barreled 16 gauge = only gun I ever managed to hit a bird on the wing with.
 
2013-01-11 09:29:28 PM  

Mrbogey: I absolutely am positive this gun system will never be used in a mass shooting.

CruiserTwelve: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

Hoplophobes. People so scared of weapons they believe the best course of action is to pretend they can get rid of them all. Most suffer delusions that they're not trying to get rid of guns.


This.
 
2013-01-11 09:31:30 PM  

CuttySupreme: I want one.


No kidding! I wish there was as much room in my checking account for one of these as there is on my .30-06
 
2013-01-11 09:32:04 PM  
How is this different from B.O.R.S.?
 
2013-01-11 09:32:23 PM  

fappomatic: Interesting system but I'd go with the .408 CheyTac M200. Electronics and battery failure is a biatch. It uses a handheld ballistics computer but it ties-in with a traditional rifle scope. As a member of the 1000yd club, I can say you'd better know your weapon and ammo or all the world's electronics are useless.

\show me your work on the board, Fapp


Nice rifle, but at a cost of over 10k its way over my budget as well.
 
2013-01-11 09:32:57 PM  
I've got one of these. Six men came to take me, the best of em had it. I took it off him. I call it Vera.


/It works in a vacuum as well...
 
2013-01-11 09:35:07 PM  
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-11 09:35:08 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I've got one of these. Six men came to take me, the best of em had it. I took it off him. I call it Vera.


/It works in a vacuum as well...


Negative. Vera had to get dressed up to get taken out.
 
2013-01-11 09:35:41 PM  
Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"
 
2013-01-11 09:36:04 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I've got one of these. Six men came to take me, the best of em had it. I took it off him. I call it Vera.


/It works in a vacuum as well...


All cased rounds should fire in vacuum, they contain their own oxidizer.
/but they still fired it wrapped in a spacesuit if I remember right. . .
 
2013-01-11 09:37:39 PM  

AccuJack: Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"


If you use Apple Maps for the targeting, you could hit the other side of the world. Just not who you were aiming for.
 
2013-01-11 09:40:03 PM  

Boojum2k: AccuJack: Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"

If you use Apple Maps for the targeting, you could hit the other side of the world. Just not who you were aiming for.


I am not sure this is a intercontinental ballistic rifle.
 
2013-01-11 09:41:55 PM  

Lsherm: EvilEgg: Is it just a scope that tells you where to aim?  I assume I can't just point it at my foot and pull the trigger, a la the Fifth Element.

Because holding a gun steady enough to hit something a mile away is a skill all of its own.

It's more than just the scope - that's the beauty of it.  If you watch the training video, it paints your target with a red dot, then gives you crosshairs you have to line up with the red dot.  However, the trigger is locked until you've actually lined up the shot, so it's damn near impossible to miss.


I'm willing to bet that I could still miss, given my limited shooting experience.
 
2013-01-11 09:42:15 PM  

AccuJack: Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"


It's possible, I'm sure, to hack ANYTHING. Even machines designed by the best of the best explicitly to be unhackable.

But for $17k? You're gonna waste time, money, and effort trying to make something you put together from scratch much easier and with cheaper components.
 
2013-01-11 09:42:21 PM  

St_Francis_P: Compensating for human error, looking through the futuristic laser rangefinder sight resembles the view a pilot has in a jet fighter cockpit and turns conventional bolt action rifles into deadly snipers - albeit at a cost of $17,000.

Yeah, those will fly off the shelves.


Done in one, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-01-11 09:43:19 PM  

cantsleep: The fun of shooting is the difficulty , I personally would not want this gun.


Pretty much. Hitting a Cambells soup can at 400 yards is a challenge. (to me, anyway). That has its own reward. Something that does all the aiming and won't let you shoot until you are guaranteed a hit is just burning up rounds.

I can see the military aspect, though. Instant sniper, just add tech.
 
2013-01-11 09:44:35 PM  

CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad. What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

i.imgur.comLink
Simulation: What a gun grabber whose panties are in a wad may have looked like.
 
2013-01-11 09:44:42 PM  

EvilEgg: Boojum2k: AccuJack: Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"

If you use Apple Maps for the targeting, you could hit the other side of the world. Just not who you were aiming for.

I am not sure this is a intercontinental ballistic rifle.


If it was, I would buy one tomorrow.
 
2013-01-11 09:45:29 PM  
 
2013-01-11 09:46:06 PM  
A giant machine that cooks food using radio waves? At a cost of $5000 (in 1947, $52,000 in 2010+) each? I don't see microwaves being in many homes.
 
2013-01-11 09:47:16 PM  

GoldSpider: shotguns


"high-power" shotguns - see third para in news story below

http://abcnews.go.com/US/teen-gunman-told-teacher-ryan-heber-shoot/st o ry?id=18189580
 
2013-01-11 09:47:17 PM  

Skyd1v: cantsleep: The fun of shooting is the difficulty , I personally would not want this gun.

Pretty much. Hitting a Cambells soup can at 400 yards is a challenge. (to me, anyway). That has its own reward. Something that does all the aiming and won't let you shoot until you are guaranteed a hit is just burning up rounds.

I can see the military aspect, though. Instant sniper, just add tech.


Better still to train up good snipers, issue them this gun, and if the fancy electronics go spiff they can still hit the broad side of a fat insurgent at 1000+ yards.
 
2013-01-11 09:47:45 PM  

Candy Colored Clown: fappomatic: Interesting system but I'd go with the .408 CheyTac M200. Electronics and battery failure is a biatch. It uses a handheld ballistics computer but it ties-in with a traditional rifle scope. As a member of the 1000yd club, I can say you'd better know your weapon and ammo or all the world's electronics are useless.

\show me your work on the board, Fapp

Nice rifle, but at a cost of over 10k its way over my budget as well.


Check out a Savage Model 10 FCP or a Howa Talon in .308 Win.. You'll consistently get sub MOA
 
2013-01-11 09:48:31 PM  

tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]


Yes.

www.mtv.com
 
2013-01-11 09:49:18 PM  

AccuJack: /Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"


Without a proper VB GUI interface, how do you expect to track his IP?
 
2013-01-11 09:50:42 PM  

El_Swino: From a marketing standpoint, it's a very punchy slogan.


It ain't got nothin' on "assault weapons"
 
2013-01-11 09:51:35 PM  
This is pretty cool - not quite the bad guy's Swiss Army gun in Fifth Element, but nice.
 
2013-01-11 09:51:46 PM  

Mrbogey: Flint Ironstag: I've got one of these. Six men came to take me, the best of em had it. I took it off him. I call it Vera.


/It works in a vacuum as well...

Negative. Vera had to get dressed up to get taken out.


Boojum2k: Flint Ironstag: I've got one of these. Six men came to take me, the best of em had it. I took it off him. I call it Vera.


/It works in a vacuum as well...

All cased rounds should fire in vacuum, they contain their own oxidizer.
/but they still fired it wrapped in a spacesuit if I remember right. . .


Yeah that was a cock up by the writers. Guns would work in space. Not to mention that the instant Jayne fired the first shot the gun would have been in a vacuum anyway, and it still worked. I think they just did it because they thought it looked cool.
 
2013-01-11 09:53:41 PM  

madgordy: this is my rifle, this is my gun one is for fighting the other is for gun grabbering.

I could hit a profile target at 3 miles with my m14, and it did not cost me 17000


Well *I* can knock a satellite out of orbit with my slingshot, and the Tooth Fairy gave me eleventy skillion dollars to take it off his hands.
 
2013-01-11 09:54:13 PM  

GoldSpider: If it doesn't automatically correct for wind or elevation, then it's ability to make anyone a "sharpshooter" is somewhat limited.

/DNRTFA


Obviously.

The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing. Basically you line up the crosshairs on the target and pull the trigger. The weapon will then not fire until you've lined up the shot correctly, only then it will shoot on its own accord. This not only helps eliminate the tiny adjustments good shooters make, you know things like breathing correctly and such but also any anticipation of recoil from the shooter which can foil a less experienced shooter. Things like this make people like the Secret Service very nervous if only because it apparently will make it much easier for someone to make an accurate shot from a much greater distance. The number of people who can consistently make a 4k yard shot with current technology are very few and far between, something like this essentially makes it so that anyone with $17k to spend can very quickly become up to par with a world class long range shooter. It does require very carefully prepared ammo though, but then again you pretty much don't have to worry about missing either so even if it's $20 bucks more per round for the specially weighed out loads (standard bullet sizes though so you can get some shorter range practice in if you wanted to) the costs are either flat or more likely less costly than going out to the range and honing the skills needed for such a long distance shot. Then there's the handy little iPad app that takes the scopes visual output and sends it out via wifi for a spotter to help (iPad and app included in the price) or records it for later evaluation of the shot.
 
2013-01-11 09:55:02 PM  
Did he say that the model name is the Excess 3?
 
2013-01-11 09:57:11 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Yeah that was a cock up by the writers. Guns would work in space. Not to mention that the instant Jayne fired the first shot the gun would have been in a vacuum anyway, and it still worked. I think they just did it because they thought it looked cool.


Well, a bullet should be able to be fired in a vacuum. The cycling of the action probably depends on the rifle design. After it's fired it wouldn't be in a vacuum immediately but would be in a progressively thinner atmosphere as it vents out.
 
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