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2013-01-11 08:42:55 PM
Compensating for human error, looking through the futuristic laser rangefinder sight resembles the view a pilot has in a jet fighter cockpit and turns conventional bolt action rifles into deadly snipers - albeit at a cost of $17,000.

Yeah, those will fly off the shelves.
 
2013-01-11 08:45:31 PM

St_Francis_P: Compensating for human error, looking through the futuristic laser rangefinder sight resembles the view a pilot has in a jet fighter cockpit and turns conventional bolt action rifles into deadly snipers - albeit at a cost of $17,000.

Yeah, those will fly off the shelves.


Heh.

It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.
 
2013-01-11 08:58:49 PM
OMG so scary!
 
2013-01-11 08:59:26 PM
I need this for hunting.  I don't hunt, nor do I shoot recreationally, so I really think it would help.  I wonder if I could retrofit it to help my golf game.
 
2013-01-11 09:00:53 PM

The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.


What the heck is a "gun grabber?"
 
2013-01-11 09:03:49 PM
Terrifying!
 
2013-01-11 09:05:25 PM
To sight?
 
2013-01-11 09:06:00 PM
I want one.
 
2013-01-11 09:06:01 PM
To shaman
 
2013-01-11 09:06:45 PM
media.moddb.com
I promise to only use it to kill Ghouls.
 
2013-01-11 09:06:51 PM
The fun of shooting is the difficulty , I personally would not want this gun.
 
2013-01-11 09:06:53 PM
Is it just a scope that tells you where to aim?  I assume I can't just point it at my foot and pull the trigger, a la the Fifth Element.

Because holding a gun steady enough to hit something a mile away is a skill all of its own.
 
2013-01-11 09:06:57 PM

CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"


An invention of brilliant salespeople
 
2013-01-11 09:07:34 PM
And here I just got this thing today

i.imgur.com

Wonder if I can trade it in and get a couple hundred off that $17k price tag?
 
2013-01-11 09:07:47 PM

CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"


cdn.breitbart.com
 
2013-01-11 09:08:39 PM
OMG HAXXORZ AIMBOT!
 
2013-01-11 09:08:50 PM
Scopes are for pussies. Iron sights or nothing.
 
2013-01-11 09:08:50 PM
Me gusta!
But for 17 grand, don't think I'll be picking one up very soon.
 
2013-01-11 09:08:54 PM

CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"


images.wikia.com
 
2013-01-11 09:10:43 PM
I hope my mental health issues will not stop me from getting one.
 
2013-01-11 09:11:05 PM
Big deal. Drawback is that you can't see the guy running up your side with the knife out.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-11 09:12:22 PM
Way to take all the fun out of shooting.
 
2013-01-11 09:12:38 PM
farm1.staticflickr.com

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work for everyone.
BTW, what's up with the hipster holding a gun like a gangster? There's like 3 competing stereotypes here.
 
2013-01-11 09:13:07 PM
*Clicks link*

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$17000

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/ yep, everyone is gonna have one
 
2013-01-11 09:13:10 PM
by terrifying new gun i see you mean: old news.
 
2013-01-11 09:13:20 PM
The timing of the advanced rifle has been questioned, especially coming just one month after the massacre of 20 children and six staff members by a crazed gunman at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

Uh huh, because precision shooting to 1000 yards and shooting point blank in a frenzy are pretty much the same.

I say, dear Mr Wright, should you really be mucking about with flight so soon after the Titanic sunk? There are children to think of!

/yeah, I know, wrong order, and 6 years difference.
 
2013-01-11 09:13:36 PM

EvilEgg: Is it just a scope that tells you where to aim?  I assume I can't just point it at my foot and pull the trigger, a la the Fifth Element.

Because holding a gun steady enough to hit something a mile away is a skill all of its own.


It's more than just the scope - that's the beauty of it.  If you watch the training video, it paints your target with a red dot, then gives you crosshairs you have to line up with the red dot.  However, the trigger is locked until you've actually lined up the shot, so it's damn near impossible to miss.
 
2013-01-11 09:14:15 PM
So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?
 
2013-01-11 09:15:11 PM
for $17k, just buy a quad-rotor drone and mount a pistol to it.
 
2013-01-11 09:15:36 PM
Sadly, I find this all tragically funny.

You own any weapon only briefly...

*)
 
2013-01-11 09:15:42 PM

GoldSpider: What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


People spreaders.
 
2013-01-11 09:15:46 PM

Rapmaster2000: [farm1.staticflickr.com image 500x349]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work for everyone.
BTW, what's up with the hipster holding a gun like a gangster? There's like 3 competing stereotypes here.


That's a sure way to tell the idiots right off...
 
2013-01-11 09:15:57 PM
Are we still doing this?

i94.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-11 09:16:06 PM
this is my rifle, this is my gun one is for fighting the other is for gun grabbering.

I could hit a profile target at 3 miles with my m14, and it did not cost me 17000
 
2013-01-11 09:16:11 PM
Pointing the crosshair at the target is only one part of the equation. To shoot at those distances, you also have to be VERY good at regulating your breathing, controlling your muscles, and controlling autokinesis. Being off by just 0.05 degrees means, at a distance of one mile, your shot would miss your target by 4.5 feet. May not sound like much, but if you were shooting at a human it would be a complete miss.
 
2013-01-11 09:16:22 PM

Indubitably: Sadly, I find this all tragically funny.

You own any weapon only briefly...

*)


P.S. Word.
 
2013-01-11 09:16:33 PM
www.smisclub.org
 
2013-01-11 09:16:55 PM

Lsherm: It's more than just the scope - that's the beauty of it. If you watch the training video, it paints your target with a red dot, then gives you crosshairs you have to line up with the red dot. However, the trigger is locked until you've actually lined up the shot, so it's damn near impossible to miss.


If it doesn't automatically correct for wind or elevation, then it's ability to make anyone a "sharpshooter" is somewhat limited.

/DNRTFA
 
2013-01-11 09:16:55 PM
I still couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it.
 
2013-01-11 09:17:04 PM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


"anti-personnel flak cannon"
 
2013-01-11 09:17:05 PM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


Blunderbusses
 
2013-01-11 09:17:23 PM
It doesn't do you a whole lotta good if you make some incorrect assumptions in the process of target acquisition.

I recall being a 16 year old dumb fark on my high school's rifle team (without benefit of glasses) and carefully ploinking my allocated 10 rounds in to the next guy's target.
 
2013-01-11 09:18:14 PM

Bored Horde: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

An invention of brilliant salespeople


THIS. So much this.

Gun purchases down? Need a way to boost ammunition sales since all that 5.56 is vastly overpriced on account of the Government buying it all up? A little fear-mongering and we're back in business, baby!
 
2013-01-11 09:18:42 PM

GoldSpider: Lsherm: It's more than just the scope - that's the beauty of it. If you watch the training video, it paints your target with a red dot, then gives you crosshairs you have to line up with the red dot. However, the trigger is locked until you've actually lined up the shot, so it's damn near impossible to miss.

If it doesn't automatically correct for wind or elevation, then it's ability to make anyone a "sharpshooter" is somewhat limited.

/DNRTFA


Yeah, it does all that, too.  That's why they use the two factor aiming system - the dot paints the target and the crosshairs line up according to the calculations the scope makes.  Then the entire thing locks the trigger until you've lined up the shot according to where the scope wants you to point it.
 
2013-01-11 09:18:43 PM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


Technically, 12 gauge shotguns are over .50 caliber so you can call them destructive devices.
 
2013-01-11 09:19:12 PM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


Carnage tubes?
 
2013-01-11 09:19:42 PM

CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"


It's a marketing term used to drive sales and NRA donations. In general, a good marketing hook is short and sweet. "Gun grabber" is not only a very short phrase that conjures up a specific fantasy image and invokes the expected reaction, but the alliterative value of the two g's give it extra impact. From a marketing standpoint, it's a very punchy slogan. And like most marketing slogans, it's complete bullshiat. But for the NRA, like any other organization selling a product or service, it's not about facts, it's about money.
 
2013-01-11 09:19:48 PM

GoldSpider: Lsherm: It's more than just the scope - that's the beauty of it. If you watch the training video, it paints your target with a red dot, then gives you crosshairs you have to line up with the red dot. However, the trigger is locked until you've actually lined up the shot, so it's damn near impossible to miss.

If it doesn't automatically correct for wind or elevation, then it's ability to make anyone a "sharpshooter" is somewhat limited.

/DNRTFA


It does compensate for to wind and elevation.  But I still doubt your average novice's ability to hold it steady enough to hit a person a mile away, even with the trigger lock.
 
2013-01-11 09:20:33 PM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


Multi Projectile Boom Sticks
 
2013-01-11 09:20:59 PM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


In WW1 they were commonly called 'trench sweepers'.
 
2013-01-11 09:21:20 PM

BronyMedic: Bored Horde: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

An invention of brilliant salespeople

THIS. So much this.

Gun purchases down? Need a way to boost ammunition sales since all that 5.56 is vastly overpriced on account of the Government buying it all up? A little fear-mongering and we're back in business, baby!


Obama's been the best gun salesman this country has ever seen.
 
2013-01-11 09:21:21 PM
www.pureanimegallery.com

it's been done.
 
2013-01-11 09:21:24 PM

Lsherm: Yeah, it does all that, too. That's why they use the two factor aiming system - the dot paints the target and the crosshairs line up according to the calculations the scope makes. Then the entire thing locks the trigger until you've lined up the shot according to where the scope wants you to point it.


That's pretty cool then! :) If I wanted to take a shot that long, though, I'd rather train myself to do it the old fashioned way.
 
2013-01-11 09:21:34 PM
After 6 beers and a couple don julio's, I'm 6 ft tall and bullet-proof.

Not scared cause I'm feeling all ninja and shiat.
 
2013-01-11 09:21:44 PM

madgordy: this is my rifle, this is my gun one is for fighting the other is for gun grabbering.

I could hit a profile target at 3 miles with my m14, and it did not cost me 17000


Pull the other one.
 
2013-01-11 09:22:07 PM

EvilEgg: Is it just a scope that tells you where to aim?  I assume I can't just point it at my foot and pull the trigger, a la the Fifth Element.

Because holding a gun steady enough to hit something a mile away is a skill all of its own.


It's the Daily Fail... not only a UK paper, but not one of their more responsible ones.

Of course folks who don't know shiat about guns thinks it will make people into super accurate shooters... they don't know shiat and don't realize they don't know shiat. They don't realize that you can't just toss some piker into an F1 car and have a championship contender.

It's a nice piece of kit, but at a damn near unobtainable price and still useless unless you have some extremely good long range precision shooting skills.

In short: this scope is neat, but it's never going to factor into crime. All it does is automate things long range precision shooters do anyway. Some gangsta schlub isn't going to toss one on his AK and start drilling orphans at 1000 yards.
 
2013-01-11 09:22:19 PM
Apparently Subby has issues with being able to hunt deer from a mile off.
 
2013-01-11 09:22:40 PM

darthdrafter: In WW1 they were commonly called 'trench sweepers'.


I like that one. "Playground sweepers" ought to get the conversation headed in the right direction.
 
2013-01-11 09:24:08 PM
*click*
 
2013-01-11 09:24:10 PM
Oh, and out yourself, subby. What COULD go wrong that can't already?
 
2013-01-11 09:25:22 PM

El_Swino: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

It's a marketing term used to drive sales and NRA donations. In general, a good marketing hook is short and sweet. "Gun grabber" is not only a very short phrase that conjures up a specific fantasy image and invokes the expected reaction, but the alliterative value of the two g's give it extra impact. From a marketing standpoint, it's a very punchy slogan. And like most marketing slogans, it's complete bullshiat. But for the NRA, like any other organization selling a product or service, it's not about facts, it's about money.


Then I guess when people like Cuomo talk about confiscation, they don't mean grabbing. Let's call it (looks in thesaurus) snatching.
 
2013-01-11 09:25:54 PM

NotSoFunkyPhantom: I still couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it.


And yet, you could probably sneak up on this weekend commando with a cheap .22 revolver and steal everything he has down to his camo panties.
 
2013-01-11 09:26:11 PM
Interesting system but I'd go with the .408 CheyTac M200. Electronics and battery failure is a biatch. It uses a handheld ballistics computer but it ties-in with a traditional rifle scope. As a member of the 1000yd club, I can say you'd better know your weapon and ammo or all the world's electronics are useless.

\show me your work on the board, Fapp
 
2013-01-11 09:26:35 PM
yeah...at $17k a rifle I don't think this is gonna be much of an issue.  Now, if it cost like...$25 and was easily duplicated you might have a problem.
 
2013-01-11 09:26:50 PM

EvilEgg: GoldSpider: Lsherm: It's more than just the scope - that's the beauty of it. If you watch the training video, it paints your target with a red dot, then gives you crosshairs you have to line up with the red dot. However, the trigger is locked until you've actually lined up the shot, so it's damn near impossible to miss.

If it doesn't automatically correct for wind or elevation, then it's ability to make anyone a "sharpshooter" is somewhat limited.

/DNRTFA

It does compensate for to wind and elevation.  But I still doubt your average novice's ability to hold it steady enough to hit a person a mile away, even with the trigger lock.



Maybe, but it does have a bipod.  Not that I could afford one, but I'd like to try one out just to see how well it really does.  I like gadgets and I have terrible eyesight and hand-eye coordination, so I'd be a good test case.
 
2013-01-11 09:27:06 PM

GoldSpider: darthdrafter: In WW1 they were commonly called 'trench sweepers'.

I like that one. "Playground sweepers" ought to get the conversation headed in the right direction.


Kinderguns.
 
2013-01-11 09:27:25 PM
I absolutely am positive this gun system will never be used in a mass shooting.

CruiserTwelve: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"


Hoplophobes. People so scared of weapons they believe the best course of action is to pretend they can get rid of them all. Most suffer delusions that they're not trying to get rid of guns.
 
2013-01-11 09:28:40 PM
GoldSpider

So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?

You mean Splatterbooms?
 
2013-01-11 09:28:53 PM

darthdrafter: GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?

In WW1 they were commonly called 'trench sweepers'.


That was the Winchester Model 1897 in a 12 gauge - pump action with an exposed hammer. I've got the long barreled 16 gauge = only gun I ever managed to hit a bird on the wing with.
 
2013-01-11 09:29:28 PM

Mrbogey: I absolutely am positive this gun system will never be used in a mass shooting.

CruiserTwelve: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

Hoplophobes. People so scared of weapons they believe the best course of action is to pretend they can get rid of them all. Most suffer delusions that they're not trying to get rid of guns.


This.
 
2013-01-11 09:31:30 PM

CuttySupreme: I want one.


No kidding! I wish there was as much room in my checking account for one of these as there is on my .30-06
 
2013-01-11 09:32:04 PM
How is this different from B.O.R.S.?
 
2013-01-11 09:32:23 PM

fappomatic: Interesting system but I'd go with the .408 CheyTac M200. Electronics and battery failure is a biatch. It uses a handheld ballistics computer but it ties-in with a traditional rifle scope. As a member of the 1000yd club, I can say you'd better know your weapon and ammo or all the world's electronics are useless.

\show me your work on the board, Fapp


Nice rifle, but at a cost of over 10k its way over my budget as well.
 
2013-01-11 09:32:57 PM
I've got one of these. Six men came to take me, the best of em had it. I took it off him. I call it Vera.


/It works in a vacuum as well...
 
2013-01-11 09:35:07 PM
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-11 09:35:08 PM

Flint Ironstag: I've got one of these. Six men came to take me, the best of em had it. I took it off him. I call it Vera.


/It works in a vacuum as well...


Negative. Vera had to get dressed up to get taken out.
 
2013-01-11 09:35:41 PM
Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"
 
2013-01-11 09:36:04 PM

Flint Ironstag: I've got one of these. Six men came to take me, the best of em had it. I took it off him. I call it Vera.


/It works in a vacuum as well...


All cased rounds should fire in vacuum, they contain their own oxidizer.
/but they still fired it wrapped in a spacesuit if I remember right. . .
 
2013-01-11 09:37:39 PM

AccuJack: Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"


If you use Apple Maps for the targeting, you could hit the other side of the world. Just not who you were aiming for.
 
2013-01-11 09:40:03 PM

Boojum2k: AccuJack: Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"

If you use Apple Maps for the targeting, you could hit the other side of the world. Just not who you were aiming for.


I am not sure this is a intercontinental ballistic rifle.
 
2013-01-11 09:41:55 PM

Lsherm: EvilEgg: Is it just a scope that tells you where to aim?  I assume I can't just point it at my foot and pull the trigger, a la the Fifth Element.

Because holding a gun steady enough to hit something a mile away is a skill all of its own.

It's more than just the scope - that's the beauty of it.  If you watch the training video, it paints your target with a red dot, then gives you crosshairs you have to line up with the red dot.  However, the trigger is locked until you've actually lined up the shot, so it's damn near impossible to miss.


I'm willing to bet that I could still miss, given my limited shooting experience.
 
2013-01-11 09:42:15 PM

AccuJack: Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"


It's possible, I'm sure, to hack ANYTHING. Even machines designed by the best of the best explicitly to be unhackable.

But for $17k? You're gonna waste time, money, and effort trying to make something you put together from scratch much easier and with cheaper components.
 
2013-01-11 09:42:21 PM

St_Francis_P: Compensating for human error, looking through the futuristic laser rangefinder sight resembles the view a pilot has in a jet fighter cockpit and turns conventional bolt action rifles into deadly snipers - albeit at a cost of $17,000.

Yeah, those will fly off the shelves.


Done in one, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-01-11 09:43:19 PM

cantsleep: The fun of shooting is the difficulty , I personally would not want this gun.


Pretty much. Hitting a Cambells soup can at 400 yards is a challenge. (to me, anyway). That has its own reward. Something that does all the aiming and won't let you shoot until you are guaranteed a hit is just burning up rounds.

I can see the military aspect, though. Instant sniper, just add tech.
 
2013-01-11 09:44:35 PM

CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad. What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

i.imgur.comLink
Simulation: What a gun grabber whose panties are in a wad may have looked like.
 
2013-01-11 09:44:42 PM

EvilEgg: Boojum2k: AccuJack: Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"

If you use Apple Maps for the targeting, you could hit the other side of the world. Just not who you were aiming for.

I am not sure this is a intercontinental ballistic rifle.


If it was, I would buy one tomorrow.
 
2013-01-11 09:45:29 PM
 
2013-01-11 09:46:06 PM
A giant machine that cooks food using radio waves? At a cost of $5000 (in 1947, $52,000 in 2010+) each? I don't see microwaves being in many homes.
 
2013-01-11 09:47:16 PM

GoldSpider: shotguns


"high-power" shotguns - see third para in news story below

http://abcnews.go.com/US/teen-gunman-told-teacher-ryan-heber-shoot/st o ry?id=18189580
 
2013-01-11 09:47:17 PM

Skyd1v: cantsleep: The fun of shooting is the difficulty , I personally would not want this gun.

Pretty much. Hitting a Cambells soup can at 400 yards is a challenge. (to me, anyway). That has its own reward. Something that does all the aiming and won't let you shoot until you are guaranteed a hit is just burning up rounds.

I can see the military aspect, though. Instant sniper, just add tech.


Better still to train up good snipers, issue them this gun, and if the fancy electronics go spiff they can still hit the broad side of a fat insurgent at 1000+ yards.
 
2013-01-11 09:47:45 PM

Candy Colored Clown: fappomatic: Interesting system but I'd go with the .408 CheyTac M200. Electronics and battery failure is a biatch. It uses a handheld ballistics computer but it ties-in with a traditional rifle scope. As a member of the 1000yd club, I can say you'd better know your weapon and ammo or all the world's electronics are useless.

\show me your work on the board, Fapp

Nice rifle, but at a cost of over 10k its way over my budget as well.


Check out a Savage Model 10 FCP or a Howa Talon in .308 Win.. You'll consistently get sub MOA
 
2013-01-11 09:48:31 PM

tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]


Yes.

www.mtv.com
 
2013-01-11 09:49:18 PM

AccuJack: /Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"


Without a proper VB GUI interface, how do you expect to track his IP?
 
2013-01-11 09:50:42 PM

El_Swino: From a marketing standpoint, it's a very punchy slogan.


It ain't got nothin' on "assault weapons"
 
2013-01-11 09:51:35 PM
This is pretty cool - not quite the bad guy's Swiss Army gun in Fifth Element, but nice.
 
2013-01-11 09:51:46 PM

Mrbogey: Flint Ironstag: I've got one of these. Six men came to take me, the best of em had it. I took it off him. I call it Vera.


/It works in a vacuum as well...

Negative. Vera had to get dressed up to get taken out.


Boojum2k: Flint Ironstag: I've got one of these. Six men came to take me, the best of em had it. I took it off him. I call it Vera.


/It works in a vacuum as well...

All cased rounds should fire in vacuum, they contain their own oxidizer.
/but they still fired it wrapped in a spacesuit if I remember right. . .


Yeah that was a cock up by the writers. Guns would work in space. Not to mention that the instant Jayne fired the first shot the gun would have been in a vacuum anyway, and it still worked. I think they just did it because they thought it looked cool.
 
2013-01-11 09:53:41 PM

madgordy: this is my rifle, this is my gun one is for fighting the other is for gun grabbering.

I could hit a profile target at 3 miles with my m14, and it did not cost me 17000


Well *I* can knock a satellite out of orbit with my slingshot, and the Tooth Fairy gave me eleventy skillion dollars to take it off his hands.
 
2013-01-11 09:54:13 PM

GoldSpider: If it doesn't automatically correct for wind or elevation, then it's ability to make anyone a "sharpshooter" is somewhat limited.

/DNRTFA


Obviously.

The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing. Basically you line up the crosshairs on the target and pull the trigger. The weapon will then not fire until you've lined up the shot correctly, only then it will shoot on its own accord. This not only helps eliminate the tiny adjustments good shooters make, you know things like breathing correctly and such but also any anticipation of recoil from the shooter which can foil a less experienced shooter. Things like this make people like the Secret Service very nervous if only because it apparently will make it much easier for someone to make an accurate shot from a much greater distance. The number of people who can consistently make a 4k yard shot with current technology are very few and far between, something like this essentially makes it so that anyone with $17k to spend can very quickly become up to par with a world class long range shooter. It does require very carefully prepared ammo though, but then again you pretty much don't have to worry about missing either so even if it's $20 bucks more per round for the specially weighed out loads (standard bullet sizes though so you can get some shorter range practice in if you wanted to) the costs are either flat or more likely less costly than going out to the range and honing the skills needed for such a long distance shot. Then there's the handy little iPad app that takes the scopes visual output and sends it out via wifi for a spotter to help (iPad and app included in the price) or records it for later evaluation of the shot.
 
2013-01-11 09:55:02 PM
Did he say that the model name is the Excess 3?
 
2013-01-11 09:57:11 PM

Flint Ironstag: Yeah that was a cock up by the writers. Guns would work in space. Not to mention that the instant Jayne fired the first shot the gun would have been in a vacuum anyway, and it still worked. I think they just did it because they thought it looked cool.


Well, a bullet should be able to be fired in a vacuum. The cycling of the action probably depends on the rifle design. After it's fired it wouldn't be in a vacuum immediately but would be in a progressively thinner atmosphere as it vents out.
 
2013-01-11 09:57:16 PM

Cuchulane: Did he say that the model name is the Excess 3?


E3-Cocked.
 
2013-01-11 09:58:45 PM
I'm okay with this. I'm more afraid of whack-asses missing their intended targets and ruining the lives of innocent bystanders...
 
2013-01-11 09:59:36 PM

suziequzie: I'm okay with this. I'm more afraid of whack-asses missing their intended targets and ruining the lives of innocent bystanders...


Perhaps the gov't should subsidize the purchase of these rifles for gang members in the guise of reducing fatalities.
 
2013-01-11 10:00:45 PM
So, it replaces the spotter on a sniper team.

I can see a few people wanting them.
 
2013-01-11 10:00:48 PM
Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch. Target in center, spank it to comatose Asuka, pull the switch. Target in center, pull the switch.
 
2013-01-11 10:01:16 PM
Nobody posted this guy's gun yet?
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-11 10:04:24 PM

John Buck 41: tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]

Yes.

[www.mtv.com image 725x365]


Marky Mark was better than I thought, what with the lens covers being down and all.
 
2013-01-11 10:05:11 PM

cantsleep: The fun of shooting is the difficulty , I personally would not want this gun.


Yep.

Hell, I made it *MORE* difficult for myself by switching from a scoped bolt action .30'06 to a flintlock long rifle, and from a tricked-out compound bow to a bare wooden bow that used to be a hickory tree in my father's back yard. It was just getting too easy for me, and because I'm not much of a trophy guy, instead of upping the difficulty by going for bigger and bigger trophies, I went with more primitive methods.

I get fewer deer, but I have more fun doing it.

The implements in question:

img236.imageshack.us

img189.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-11 10:05:37 PM

CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"


It is a strong magnetic device I just invented. It is installed on the ceilings in all rooms in schools, theaters, and all other places mass shootings (and gunshots in general) are not wanted. It has a microphone that detects gunshots, and as soon as one is detected it activates - attracting all metal objects instantly. If the shooter can hold on, they will be dangling from the ceiling.
 
2013-01-11 10:05:44 PM
Not happy:

i32.photobucket.com

/maybe eight or even ten guys in the world could have made that shot
 
2013-01-11 10:06:53 PM

Farker Soze: John Buck 41: tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]

Yes.

[www.mtv.com image 725x365]

Marky Mark was better than I thought, what with the lens covers being down and all.


Well, given the point in the movie that still comes from, he really didn't have to do much in the way of sighting.
 
2013-01-11 10:09:15 PM
Weapon of choice for taking out neighborhood dog

www.avenuek9.com
 
2013-01-11 10:09:39 PM
dl.dropbox.com

So the decades old technology of a ballistic calculator is now something to be feared?
Wait till they find out that guns can have actual lasers attached to them. Ones that make aiming a gun as easy as pointing a gun at a target.

/It should be a law that reporters spend a few days on wikipedia researching guns before being allowed to write any articles.
 
2013-01-11 10:11:21 PM

Clutch2013: Farker Soze: John Buck 41: tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]

Yes.

[www.mtv.com image 725x365]

Marky Mark was better than I thought, what with the lens covers being down and all.

Well, given the point in the movie that still comes from, he really didn't have to do much in the way of sighting.


I don't remember much about that movie, except the part where he switches out the firing pins of every gun he owns after he uses them because, well, I guess if ever someone tries to frame him, which they do. Man, that's anal.
 
2013-01-11 10:14:38 PM

Clutch2013: Farker Soze: John Buck 41: tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]

Yes.

[www.mtv.com image 725x365]

Marky Mark was better than I thought, what with the lens covers being down and all.

Well, given the point in the movie that still comes from, he really didn't have to do much in the way of sighting.


Shop talk on Fark is weird;  Considering....Hmmmm,  was that shop talk??

/reply not needed.
 
2013-01-11 10:15:27 PM
How does it figure out what cross winds are 100 yards down range? Once you know what they it is no great shakes to compensate, but figuring them takes some skill.
 
2013-01-11 10:17:23 PM

St_Francis_P: Compensating for human error, looking through the futuristic laser rangefinder sight resembles the view a pilot has in a jet fighter cockpit and turns conventional bolt action rifles into deadly snipers - albeit at a cost of $17,000.

Yeah, those will fly off the shelves.


You have no idea how idiots there are with far more money than common sense. Seventeen grand is a lunch bill to some.

/I'd buy one if I could
 
2013-01-11 10:17:48 PM
I can see the headline now.

Police apprehended the man before he could cause harm. He was quoted as saying: "Damn it! I would have killed them all, but the kernel was still recompiling!"
 
2013-01-11 10:20:25 PM
To fire
 
2013-01-11 10:20:36 PM
In other news, a Barrett is good for 2 miles, at least. That puppy can take out vehicles.
 
2013-01-11 10:21:18 PM

Radioactive Ass: The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber cant (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing.


FTFY.
 
2013-01-11 10:21:56 PM

Indubitably: To fire


P.S. I like to sit next to one, toasting marshmallows, man.
 
2013-01-11 10:21:58 PM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


Flippityfloppityfloo.
 
2013-01-11 10:22:35 PM

dittybopper: Radioactive Ass: The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber cant (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing.

FTFY.


*bow*
 
2013-01-11 10:23:54 PM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


Sue.
 
2013-01-11 10:25:15 PM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


Street sweepers
 
2013-01-11 10:25:42 PM

Farker Soze: Clutch2013: Farker Soze: John Buck 41: tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]

Yes.

[www.mtv.com image 725x365]

Marky Mark was better than I thought, what with the lens covers being down and all.

Well, given the point in the movie that still comes from, he really didn't have to do much in the way of sighting.

I don't remember much about that movie, except the part where he switches out the firing pins of every gun he owns after he uses them because, well, I guess if ever someone tries to frame him, which they do. Man, that's anal.


It's not just the firing pins. You also have to change out the extractors and ejectors, and polish the chamber and breech face.

Or better yet, just use a damned revolver and don't worry about leaving brass lying about.

Good idea to use soft lead bullets and shoot from a dirty bore, preferably one that has had a few black powder rounds fired through it. That obscures the unique marks on the rifling.
 
2013-01-11 10:26:28 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?

Street sweepers


Death sprayers.
 
2013-01-11 10:27:52 PM

EvilEgg: How does it figure out what cross winds are 100 yards down range? Once you know what they it is no great shakes to compensate, but figuring them takes some skill.


Probably measures minute differences in laser reflection from something downrange.   The Israelis (among others) have had devices that do that for a while.  As the article mentions, it's really only good for figuring out what the wind speed is at the target, not necessarily the entire path of the bullet.
 
2013-01-11 10:28:50 PM

Indubitably: dittybopper: Radioactive Ass: The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber cant (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing.

FTFY.

*bow*


You mean a bow like this:

img138.imageshack.us

/My old wheelie bow.
//See how easy shooting deer with it was?
 
2013-01-11 10:30:32 PM

AccuJack: Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"


There's a Deep Space Nine ep for that...
 
2013-01-11 10:31:39 PM
"lens covers"

So curious to find the Farker's that know this;

Thread jack?

i94.photobucket.com i94.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-11 10:34:37 PM

Mrbogey: I absolutely am positive this gun system will never be used in a mass shooting.

CruiserTwelve: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

Hoplophobes. People so scared of weapons they believe the best course of action is to pretend they can get rid of them all. Most suffer delusions that they're not trying to get rid of guns.


Yeah, "hoplophobe," like "gun grabber," is another one of those terms that means "I'm more interested in demonizing people who disagree with me than debating the issue."  It's a bit like "anti-choice" or "pro-abortion" that way.

Mrbogey's post serves as a nice demonstration of the whole "demonize the people who disagree with me rather than debate the issue" part.
 
2013-01-11 10:34:38 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

It is a strong magnetic device I just invented. It is installed on the ceilings in all rooms in schools, theaters, and all other places mass shootings (and gunshots in general) are not wanted. It has a microphone that detects gunshots, and as soon as one is detected it activates - attracting all metal objects instantly. If the shooter can hold on, they will be dangling from the ceiling.



Won't work on me. I have a black plastic Glock and an AR15 with plastic handguards.
 
2013-01-11 10:38:14 PM

Mrbogey: Flint Ironstag: Yeah that was a cock up by the writers. Guns would work in space. Not to mention that the instant Jayne fired the first shot the gun would have been in a vacuum anyway, and it still worked. I think they just did it because they thought it looked cool.

Well, a bullet should be able to be fired in a vacuum. The cycling of the action probably depends on the rifle design. After it's fired it wouldn't be in a vacuum immediately but would be in a progressively thinner atmosphere as it vents out.


Jayne thought he need it. Who are you to second guess the Hero of Canton!?!
 
2013-01-11 10:40:13 PM

EvilEgg: Boojum2k: AccuJack: Hmmm... wonder if it's hackable?

Replace the stock with a servo pan/tilt mount on a tripod with accelerometer ground sensing to compensate for vibrations, use a basic computer vision app to handle the "move the crosshair to the red dot" part, and a solenoid to pull the trigger.

Load up the included app, put the red dot where you want the bullet to go, and let the rifle do the rest.

/Can see the CSI episode now: "His rifle shot the city official, but we suspect his iPad was hacked and used by someone else. We'll retroactively activate the camera to see who it is, then use the tracking app to find his current location!"

If you use Apple Maps for the targeting, you could hit the other side of the world. Just not who you were aiming for.

I am not sure this is a intercontinental ballistic rifle.


It is if you shoot across the Europe/Asia border!
 
2013-01-11 10:41:20 PM

w-w-w: Nobody posted this guy's gun yet?

3.bp.blogspot.com

Hey, what's the little red button on the bottom of the gun do?
 
2013-01-11 10:41:45 PM

ciberido: Mrbogey: I absolutely am positive this gun system will never be used in a mass shooting.

CruiserTwelve: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

Hoplophobes. People so scared of weapons they believe the best course of action is to pretend they can get rid of them all. Most suffer delusions that they're not trying to get rid of guns.

Yeah, "hoplophobe," like "gun grabber," is another one of those terms that means "I'm more interested in demonizing people who disagree with me than debating the issue."  It's a bit like "anti-choice" or "pro-abortion" that way.

Mrbogey's post serves as a nice demonstration of the whole "demonize the people who disagree with me rather than debate the issue" part.


You mean like "gun nut" right?
 
2013-01-11 10:42:59 PM
Is it for hunting these things? Link
 
2013-01-11 10:44:25 PM

ciberido: Mrbogey's post serves as a nice demonstration of the whole "demonize the people who disagree with me rather than debate the issue" part.


Hell, half the posts in the politics tab gun threads someone is calling another "gun nut". No one calls them out.
 
2013-01-11 10:46:57 PM
www.longrangehunting.com

These are the laser range finder binoculars that the sniper team spotters use to make 1+ mile shots supposedly. They're commercially available for $16,000. Seems like the scope has more features but you can't beat Leica optics.

I still like the laser guided 50 cal bullets Sandia labs invented last year because you'd have a chance with a moving target.
 
2013-01-11 10:47:33 PM

dittybopper: Radioactive Ass: The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber cant (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing.

FTFY.


My bad. I always get those two mixed up in my head somehow, even though I know better.
 
2013-01-11 10:49:12 PM
inb4 "gun owners are compensating for their small penises" derp
 
2013-01-11 10:49:26 PM
wifi enabled? the solution is simple! make them authenticate to an online server every time the safety is off (a la Steam) and put in a remote kill switch.

"seems like gun #123567 is firing in ... an elementary school? that can't be right. switched and reported."

//might not stop the first 5 or 6 shots but will stop all the subsequent ones
 
2013-01-11 10:49:53 PM

dittybopper: Indubitably: dittybopper: Radioactive Ass: The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber cant (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing.

FTFY.

*bow*

You mean a bow like this:

[img138.imageshack.us image 640x480]

/My old wheelie bow.
//See how easy shooting deer with it was?


Do you forget?
 
KIA
2013-01-11 10:50:04 PM
FTFA:Fully enveiled in the first week of January in Las Vegas at the Consumer Electronics Show

Enveiling???

Srsly, that is a spectacularly cool deployment of technology. I'd rather learn it the old-fashioned way though.
 
2013-01-11 10:50:25 PM
Seriously, that's pretty bad ass if it works as advertised. I often wondered when someone was going to come up with something like this, or a barrel that would be on small servos that would elevate or depress it depending on range, humidity wind..etc. Very cool tech, but at 17 K, you wont see anyone buying it but people with more money than sense. Bring it down to about 1k and youll have many more buyers. Would be nice if it had the servos for elevation and right and left. Still...very nice.
 
2013-01-11 10:50:39 PM

Indubitably: dittybopper: Indubitably: dittybopper: Radioactive Ass: The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber cant (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing.

FTFY.

*bow*

You mean a bow like this:

[img138.imageshack.us image 640x480]

/My old wheelie bow.
//See how easy shooting deer with it was?

Do you forget?


I carbon you, arrow out. To fell.
 
2013-01-11 10:51:28 PM

Farker Soze: John Buck 41: tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]

Yes.

[www.mtv.com image 725x365]

Marky Mark was better than I thought, what with the lens covers being down and all.


I still would've loved to seen Scott Glenn as Swagger.
 
2013-01-11 10:52:44 PM

Indubitably: dittybopper: Indubitably: dittybopper: Radioactive Ass: The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber cant (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing.

FTFY.

*bow*

You mean a bow like this:

[img138.imageshack.us image 640x480]

/My old wheelie bow.
//See how easy shooting deer with it was?

Do you forget?


Usually, yes.
 
2013-01-11 10:53:01 PM

John Buck 41: Farker Soze: John Buck 41: tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]

Yes.

[www.mtv.com image 725x365]

Marky Mark was better than I thought, what with the lens covers being down and all.

I still would've loved to seen Scott Glenn as Swagger.

To tell

 
2013-01-11 10:53:17 PM

DeadPuppySociety: GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?

Carnage tubes?


Nice, I like.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-11 10:54:11 PM

dittybopper: Indubitably: dittybopper: Indubitably: dittybopper: Radioactive Ass: The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber cant (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing.

FTFY.

*bow*

You mean a bow like this:

[img138.imageshack.us image 640x480]

/My old wheelie bow.
//See how easy shooting deer with it was?

Do you forget?

Usually, yes.


Duly noted, with razor-points, aka talons, no?
 
2013-01-11 10:54:52 PM

Farker Soze: madgordy: this is my rifle, this is my gun one is for fighting the other is for gun grabbering.

I could hit a profile target at 3 miles with my m14, and it did not cost me 17000

Pull the other one.


/Um...ya. and then you woke up and realized you were jerking yourself off in a fit of delusion.
 
2013-01-11 10:54:57 PM

Indubitably: dittybopper: Indubitably: dittybopper: Indubitably: dittybopper: Radioactive Ass: The whole package judges wind, elevation, camber cant (tilt of barrel) and range as well as showing the bearing.

FTFY.

*bow*

You mean a bow like this:

[img138.imageshack.us image 640x480]

/My old wheelie bow.
//See how easy shooting deer with it was?

Do you forget?

Usually, yes.

Duly noted, with razor-points, aka talons, no?

To eagle

 
2013-01-11 10:55:40 PM

Farker Soze: ciberido: Mrbogey's post serves as a nice demonstration of the whole "demonize the people who disagree with me rather than debate the issue" part.

Hell, half the posts in the politics tab gun threads someone is calling another "gun nut". No one calls them out.


I agree that "gun nut" is the reciprocal of "gun grabber."  Both are insulting terms used to demonize the opposition.
 
2013-01-11 10:56:20 PM

Boojum2k: ciberido: Mrbogey: I absolutely am positive this gun system will never be used in a mass shooting.

CruiserTwelve: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

Hoplophobes. People so scared of weapons they believe the best course of action is to pretend they can get rid of them all. Most suffer delusions that they're not trying to get rid of guns.

Yeah, "hoplophobe," like "gun grabber," is another one of those terms that means "I'm more interested in demonizing people who disagree with me than debating the issue."  It's a bit like "anti-choice" or "pro-abortion" that way.

Mrbogey's post serves as a nice demonstration of the whole "demonize the people who disagree with me rather than debate the issue" part.

You mean like "gun nut" right?


Yes.
 
2013-01-11 11:01:54 PM

ciberido: Boojum2k: ciberido: Mrbogey: I absolutely am positive this gun system will never be used in a mass shooting.

CruiserTwelve: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

Hoplophobes. People so scared of weapons they believe the best course of action is to pretend they can get rid of them all. Most suffer delusions that they're not trying to get rid of guns.

Yeah, "hoplophobe," like "gun grabber," is another one of those terms that means "I'm more interested in demonizing people who disagree with me than debating the issue."  It's a bit like "anti-choice" or "pro-abortion" that way.

Mrbogey's post serves as a nice demonstration of the whole "demonize the people who disagree with me rather than debate the issue" part.

You mean like "gun nut" right?

Yes.


Thanks!
 
KIA
2013-01-11 11:01:59 PM

Bored Horde: An invention of brilliant salespeople


BronyMedic: Gun purchases down? Need a way to boost ammunition sales since all that 5.56 is vastly overpriced on account of the Government buying it all up? A little fear-mongering and we're back in business, baby!


El_Swino: It's a marketing term used to drive sales and NRA donations. In general, a good marketing hook is short and sweet. "Gun grabber" is not only a very short phrase that conjures up a specific fantasy image and invokes the expected reaction, but the alliterative value of the two g's give it extra impact. From a marketing standpoint, it's a very punchy slogan. And like most marketing slogans, it's complete bullshiat. But for the NRA, like any other organization selling a product or service, it's not about facts, it's about money.


So riddle me this, Batpeople: once you pass registration laws, then what, exactly, do you envision happening? Everyone knows you won't be content to buy back guns or to wait for people to register (because some always do). You're going to send the police to go arrest a whole new slew of criminals to populate your re-education centers to try to scare the rest into line. You're going to use people with guns to do... what? Come on, you know what it's going to be. Say it.

You're going to take all unregistered guns. You're going to take them because you've declared that it is illegal. Once that is accomplished, since the people who registered them are nice and compliant, you're going to tell them to turn them in. Then they will turn them in, and mission accomplished.

You're not fooling anybody. You fully intend to grab as many guns as you can until only the government, police and military have guns. Because you trust government. You think it is your personal friend who always does helpful things like give you a security blanket and tuck you into a safe bed at night watched over by armed people who theoretically have your best interests at heart. Because those are the types of people who get recruited to go disarm their fellow Americans. Trustworthy, loyal people who believe in rights and freedom. Sleep tight.
 
2013-01-11 11:05:33 PM

ciberido: Mrbogey: I absolutely am positive this gun system will never be used in a mass shooting.

CruiserTwelve: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

Hoplophobes. People so scared of weapons they believe the best course of action is to pretend they can get rid of them all. Most suffer delusions that they're not trying to get rid of guns.

Yeah, "hoplophobe," like "gun grabber," is another one of those terms that means "I'm more interested in demonizing people who disagree with me than debating the issue."  It's a bit like "anti-choice" or "pro-abortion" that way.

Mrbogey's post serves as a nice demonstration of the whole "demonize the people who disagree with me rather than debate the issue" part.


Not demonize... accurately describe the opponent for ease of debate. You can't have an honest negotiation when one side is fundamentally dishonest about their aims. I've seen far more attempts to debate the issue by gun owners than by the grabbers who belittle (nobody needs...), insult(gun nuts/small penis/fat teatard), and deride(you lost losers...) any attempt at honest debate.
 
2013-01-11 11:12:03 PM

KIA: Bored Horde: An invention of brilliant salespeople

BronyMedic: Gun purchases down? Need a way to boost ammunition sales since all that 5.56 is vastly overpriced on account of the Government buying it all up? A little fear-mongering and we're back in business, baby!

El_Swino: It's a marketing term used to drive sales and NRA donations. In general, a good marketing hook is short and sweet. "Gun grabber" is not only a very short phrase that conjures up a specific fantasy image and invokes the expected reaction, but the alliterative value of the two g's give it extra impact. From a marketing standpoint, it's a very punchy slogan. And like most marketing slogans, it's complete bullshiat. But for the NRA, like any other organization selling a product or service, it's not about facts, it's about money.

So riddle me this, Batpeople: once you pass registration laws, then what, exactly, do you envision happening? Everyone knows you won't be content to buy back guns or to wait for people to register (because some always do). You're going to send the police to go arrest a whole new slew of criminals to populate your re-education centers to try to scare the rest into line. You're going to use people with guns to do... what? Come on, you know what it's going to be. Say it.

You're going to take all unregistered guns. You're going to take them because you've declared that it is illegal. Once that is accomplished, since the people who registered them are nice and compliant, you're going to tell them to turn them in. Then they will turn them in, and mission accomplished.

You're not fooling anybody. You fully intend to grab as many guns as you can until only the government, police and military have guns. Because you trust government. You think it is your personal friend who always does helpful things like give you a security blanket and tuck you into a safe bed at night watched over by armed people who theoretically have your best interests at heart. Because th ...



It's not as simple or as black-and-white as you make it out to be.  There are plenty of people who are in favor of some form of gun control who do not "fully intend to grab as many guns as you can until only the government, police and military have guns."

Like so many other issues in American politics (and politics worldwide, I imagine), it isn't simply a case of picking one extreme or the other.
 
2013-01-11 11:13:01 PM
derp

scopes and compass cause more casualties when used with artillery!

BAN VIOLENCE ONCE AND FOR ALL>?!

hey, the government has drones which use this technology... like, years ago.. worry?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRkovnss7sg

gun control farkers, your ire is misplaced.

be with the people.
 
2013-01-11 11:14:41 PM
Mrbogey:Not demonize... accurately describe the opponent for ease of debate. You can't have an honest negotiation when one side is fundamentally dishonest about their aims. I've seen far more attempts to debate the issue by gun owners than by the grabbers who belittle (nobody needs...), insult(gun nuts/small penis/fat teatard), and deride(you lost losers...) any attempt at honest debate.

Once you start asserting that everyone who disagrees with you is is fundamentally dishonest about their aims, you are no longer making any attempt at honest debate.

And you are, of course, also insulting and belittling these "gun grabbers."  So in all relevant ways, you are exactly what you accuse your opponents of being.

Does it not bother you to be precisely what you profess to hate?
 
2013-01-11 11:20:57 PM

ciberido: Mrbogey:Not demonize... accurately describe the opponent for ease of debate. You can't have an honest negotiation when one side is fundamentally dishonest about their aims. I've seen far more attempts to debate the issue by gun owners than by the grabbers who belittle (nobody needs...), insult(gun nuts/small penis/fat teatard), and deride(you lost losers...) any attempt at honest debate.

Once you start asserting that everyone who disagrees with you is is fundamentally dishonest about their aims, you are no longer making any attempt at honest debate.

And you are, of course, also insulting and belittling these "gun grabbers."  So in all relevant ways, you are exactly what you accuse your opponents of being.

Does it not bother you to be precisely what you profess to hate?


No, at this point it's more like pro-choice folks stating that anti-abortion people want to "control women's bodies." Well, no, that's not what they want, they want to protect what they consider a person, the loss of that choice isn't their primary goal. I don't agree with them about that, but I still prefer legal abortion to the alternative. The same applies here. Someone opposed to the right to keep and bear arms is, whether inadvertently or not, advocating a police state where everyone not in the system are subjects, not free citizens, no matter what pretty words are used to dress it up.
 
2013-01-11 11:21:21 PM

ciberido: Once you start asserting that everyone who disagrees with you is is fundamentally dishonest about their aims, you are no longer making any attempt at honest debate.


I've not said everyone who disagrees with me is a gun grabber. There are some who legitimately want to debate the issue. Those people seem to be unicorns because presenting facts do not sway them.

It's why I applaud guys like Ben Shapiro who took no guff from Morgan and put him in his place.
 
2013-01-11 11:22:04 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

It is a strong magnetic device I just invented. It is installed on the ceilings in all rooms in schools, theaters, and all other places mass shootings (and gunshots in general) are not wanted. It has a microphone that detects gunshots, and as soon as one is detected it activates - attracting all metal objects instantly. If the shooter can hold on, they will be dangling from the ceiling.


That's actually not a bad idea. No power use until it is used. Have it have one big-ass capacitor for an initial surge, than a big battery for constant hold power. Seriously, you should think about patenting the concept.

The other possibility w/b flash-bang grenades that detonate on detected shots in the room.
 
2013-01-11 11:31:27 PM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


scapegoats for sensationalism
 
2013-01-11 11:35:36 PM

EvilEgg: Is it just a scope that tells you where to aim?  I assume I can't just point it at my foot and pull the trigger, a la the Fifth Element.

Because holding a gun steady enough to hit something a mile away is a skill all of its own.


Pretty much this. Just knowing where your target is is also not the same thing as being able to compensate for windage and gravity, plus the nearly one-second lag time between trigger-pull and target contact.

Ballistics, how do it work?
 
2013-01-11 11:38:16 PM

JustYourGestureJester: GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?

scapegoats for sensationalism

To brilliant with ballistics


P.S. To freefall
 
2013-01-11 11:41:01 PM

Boojum2k: No, at this point it's more like pro-choice folks stating that anti-abortion people want to "control women's bodies." Well, no, that's not what they want, they want to protect what they consider a person, the loss of that choice isn't their primary goal.


That's an interesting question, now that you mention it.
www.amptoons.com
What is the "pro-life" lobby's real goal?
 
2013-01-11 11:41:13 PM
Repeat. I'll let the mods know in a sec.
 
2013-01-11 11:47:37 PM

KIA: Bored Horde: An invention of brilliant salespeople

BronyMedic: Gun purchases down? Need a way to boost ammunition sales since all that 5.56 is vastly overpriced on account of the Government buying it all up? A little fear-mongering and we're back in business, baby!

El_Swino: It's a marketing term used to drive sales and NRA donations. In general, a good marketing hook is short and sweet. "Gun grabber" is not only a very short phrase that conjures up a specific fantasy image and invokes the expected reaction, but the alliterative value of the two g's give it extra impact. From a marketing standpoint, it's a very punchy slogan. And like most marketing slogans, it's complete bullshiat. But for the NRA, like any other organization selling a product or service, it's not about facts, it's about money.

So riddle me this, Batpeople: once you pass registration laws, then what, exactly, do you envision happening? Everyone knows you won't be content to buy back guns or to wait for people to register (because some always do). You're going to send the police to go arrest a whole new slew of criminals to populate your re-education centers to try to scare the rest into line. You're going to use people with guns to do... what? Come on, you know what it's going to be. Say it.

You're going to take all unregistered guns. You're going to take them because you've declared that it is illegal. Once that is accomplished, since the people who registered them are nice and compliant, you're going to tell them to turn them in. Then they will turn them in, and mission accomplished.

You're not fooling anybody. You fully intend to grab as many guns as you can until only the government, police and military have guns. Because you trust government. You think it is your personal friend who always does helpful things like give you a security blanket and tuck you into a safe bed at night watched over by armed people who theoretically have your best interests at heart. Because th ...


Huh, that took almost 150 more posts than I thought it would.
 
2013-01-11 11:52:43 PM

Mrbogey: Not demonize... accurately describe the opponent for ease of debate. You can't have an honest negotiation when one side is fundamentally dishonest about their aims. I've seen far more attempts to debate the issue by gun owners than by the grabbers who belittle (nobody needs...), insult(gun nuts/small penis/fat teatard), and deride(you lost losers...) any attempt at honest debate.


You don't need to be a 'grabber' to think that way - you can be a gun owner and still realize that there are other gun owners who are in fact gun nuts, with small penises, who belong to the tea party and who don't need 250,000 rounds and 2 dozen identical guns. It would take a 3-Dimensional Venn diagram to adequately capture the intersections, unions and set differences of all the groups and their positions.
 
2013-01-11 11:53:42 PM

ciberido: Boojum2k: No, at this point it's more like pro-choice folks stating that anti-abortion people want to "control women's bodies." Well, no, that's not what they want, they want to protect what they consider a person, the loss of that choice isn't their primary goal.

That's an interesting question, now that you mention it.

What is the "pro-life" lobby's real goal?


I'm on my phone, so your pic is microscopic and unread. But you made a point about demonizing people earlier, I presume you know people who might be labelled "gun grabbers" and disagree that that is an accurate reflection of their actual views. I know many people who are very opposed to abortion and it has.nothing to do with taking choice away, they see a developing fetus as a human being and abortion as murder. Supporting abortion to them is the same Aaron advocating dozens or hundreds of Sandy Hooks per week. I disagree with them, which makes things a little touchy, but I can see their viewpoint.
Now, being as hundreds of gun laws on the books didn't prevent Sandy Hook, and any more are seriously pushing a violation of a specific, enumerated right of a free citizenry, rather than a court-found right, without even the honesty of trying for a constitutional amendment, there is no argument that the opponents of gun rights are less honest and less informed than the pro-life crowd on their issue.
 
2013-01-11 11:54:20 PM

dittybopper: cantsleep: The fun of shooting is the difficulty , I personally would not want this gun.

Yep.

Hell, I made it *MORE* difficult for myself by switching from a scoped bolt action .30'06 to a flintlock long rifle, and from a tricked-out compound bow to a bare wooden bow that used to be a hickory tree in my father's back yard. It was just getting too easy for me, and because I'm not much of a trophy guy, instead of upping the difficulty by going for bigger and bigger trophies, I went with more primitive methods.

I get fewer deer, but I have more fun doing it.

The implements in question:

[img236.imageshack.us image 582x181]

[img189.imageshack.us image 640x201]


Those are *nice* pieces! Well done!

I'm happy to just get anything and put it in the freezer. If I ever get to the point where it's "too easy" I'll probably go to bare bow as well (currently on compound for efficiency sake). And then to my camera, since I love taking wildlife photos as well.
 
2013-01-11 11:55:06 PM
I am an NRA designated Sharpshooter. I am also an NRA Designated Distinguished Expert Small Bore, . I can shoot a gnats ass off at 100 yards. With just a .22 rimfire.
Look out, we have a bad ass over here.
 
2013-01-11 11:56:22 PM
I farking hate autocorrect.
 
2013-01-11 11:58:19 PM

aesirx: wifi enabled? the solution is simple! make them authenticate to an online server every time the safety is off (a la Steam) and put in a remote kill switch.

"seems like gun #123567 is firing in ... an elementary school? that can't be right. switched and reported."

//might not stop the first 5 or 6 shots but will stop all the subsequent ones


Not bad. But how would you account for the shooter...say...stopping someone who's trying to knife people (or some other life threatening activity?)

/has potential.
 
2013-01-12 12:05:37 AM

Bored Horde: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

An invention of brilliant salespeople


Yup. I've been going to gun shows for a decade or two. Every single time, the fat smiling gun carnies creepy - small hands, smell like cabbage) ominously stir the "never know what's next gun grabbers UN black helicopters liberals" sh*tpot.

Every year, the annual rate of inflation is increasingly outstripped by the inflation of the price of guns and gun paraphernalia.

And every year, the NRA whips the retards into more gun spending.
 
2013-01-12 12:09:40 AM

cuzsis: aesirx: wifi enabled? the solution is simple! make them authenticate to an online server every time the safety is off (a la Steam) and put in a remote kill switch.

"seems like gun #123567 is firing in ... an elementary school? that can't be right. switched and reported."

//might not stop the first 5 or 6 shots but will stop all the subsequent ones

Not bad. But how would you account for the shooter...say...stopping someone who's trying to knife people (or some other life threatening activity?)

/has potential.


How would an individual set up the $17,000 system in time to stop an in-progress knife attack?
 
2013-01-12 12:10:02 AM

BuckTurgidson: Bored Horde: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

An invention of brilliant salespeople

Yup. I've been going to gun shows for a decade or two. Every single time, the fat smiling gun carnies creepy - small hands, smell like cabbage) ominously stir the "never know what's next gun grabbers UN black helicopters liberals" sh*tpot.

Every year, the annual rate of inflation is increasingly outstripped by the inflation of the price of guns and gun paraphernalia.

And every year, the NRA whips the retards into more gun spending.


Been to many gun shows, never saw anyone like you describe. Very curious.
 
2013-01-12 12:14:08 AM
So the Linux: Year of the Desktop didn't work out and instead we're getting Linux: Year of the Head Shot.
 
2013-01-12 12:22:06 AM

Farker Soze: GoldSpider: darthdrafter: In WW1 they were commonly called 'trench sweepers'.

I like that one. "Playground sweepers" ought to get the conversation headed in the right direction.

Kinderguns.


Good, good, the German adds to the scary.
 
2013-01-12 12:24:17 AM

Boojum2k: BuckTurgidson: Bored Horde: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

An invention of brilliant salespeople

Yup. I've been going to gun shows for a decade or two. Every single time, the fat smiling gun carnies creepy - small hands, smell like cabbage) ominously stir the "never know what's next gun grabbers UN black helicopters liberals" sh*tpot.

Every year, the annual rate of inflation is increasingly outstripped by the inflation of the price of guns and gun paraphernalia.

And every year, the NRA whips the retards into more gun spending.

Been to many gun shows, never saw anyone like you describe. Very curious.


I think people who have never been to gun shows think they're like a State Fair, which they've also never been to.  So it's a stereotype of a stereotype without any first-hand experience.

My personal experience is that they either tend towards a flea-market atmosphere or a car show depending on how big it is and what the subject matter is.  I like booths that focus on historical guns the best, but I can never afford any of them.

I would close the background check loophole for gun shows, though.  It's not like a person who has a booth at a gun show is primarily selling guns to his friends.
 
2013-01-12 12:24:36 AM
I think the test for whether this thing means anything is whether the it gives the Presidential Secret Service detail fits.

Or it's no real difference to what's already out there.

I dunno - I have no idea what the state of sniperdom is.
 
2013-01-12 12:26:50 AM

BravadoGT: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]


That's a gun grabbing coont.
 
2013-01-12 12:31:29 AM

El_Swino: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

It's a marketing term used to drive sales and NRA donations. In general, a good marketing hook is short and sweet. "Gun grabber" is not only a very short phrase that conjures up a specific fantasy image and invokes the expected reaction, but the alliterative value of the two g's give it extra impact. From a marketing standpoint, it's a very punchy slogan. And like most marketing slogans, it's complete bullshiat. But for the NRA, like any other organization selling a product or service, it's not about facts, it's about money.


Kind of like "gun ban" becomes the far more reasonable and innocuous sounding, "gun safety" and "gun control". The PR bullshiat war is largely on the side of the people who want guns to go away.
 
2013-01-12 12:35:49 AM

Boojum2k: BuckTurgidson: Bored Horde: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

An invention of brilliant salespeople

Yup. I've been going to gun shows for a decade or two. Every single time, the fat smiling gun carnies creepy - small hands, smell like cabbage) ominously stir the "never know what's next gun grabbers UN black helicopters liberals" sh*tpot.

Every year, the annual rate of inflation is increasingly outstripped by the inflation of the price of guns and gun paraphernalia.

And every year, the NRA whips the retards into more gun spending.

Been to many gun shows, never saw anyone like you describe. Very curious.


I'm thinking of blowing six bucks on the Tanner Gun Show here in Denver in a couple weeks, just to see what's new (nothing whatsoever, I can confidently predict).

Used to be you could pick up oily old Romanian 30-round AK magazines for 8-9 bucks, last time I went (over 2 years ago) they were going for $20. Nothing to do with supply - only with hyped-up demand. I heard the phrase "...don't know what'll happen next year ... " over and over again. Over 3/4 of the people behind the tables were fat - not just "husky" or "chubby" - fat. And happy and smiling.

John Birch is always there, of course, and the folks with no gun-related sh*t to sell but "Liberal Hunting Permit" and "I'm an Infidel" t-shirts and bumper stickers, and beef-jerky, and the got-damnedest most bizarre LSD-fuddled ultraparanoid books and pamphlets ever printed in the english language.

Worth it, just for the self-esteem-exploding people watching.
 
2013-01-12 12:49:29 AM

fappomatic: Candy Colored Clown: fappomatic: Interesting system but I'd go with the .408 CheyTac M200. Electronics and battery failure is a biatch. It uses a handheld ballistics computer but it ties-in with a traditional rifle scope. As a member of the 1000yd club, I can say you'd better know your weapon and ammo or all the world's electronics are useless.

\show me your work on the board, Fapp

Nice rifle, but at a cost of over 10k its way over my budget as well.

Check out a Savage Model 10 FCP or a Howa Talon in .308 Win.. You'll consistently get sub MOA


At a price range of $500 they are both in my price range, but I would still love to at least shoot a CheyTac .408 or a DSR-1.

/Thanks for the info
 
2013-01-12 12:49:59 AM
OH NO!@ WHATEVER WILL WE DO?!?!?!?
 
2013-01-12 01:02:10 AM

StopLurkListen: I think the test for whether this thing means anything is whether the it gives the Presidential Secret Service detail fits.

Or it's no real difference to what's already out there.

I dunno - I have no idea what the state of sniperdom is.


It's probably only a concern in that it lets untrained idiots shoot more accurately than usually possible.  But if you're going to try to snipe the president, you'll probably do some training first.  So it may be a wash.

Plus, the Secret Service is very good at what they do, not counting Kennedy.
 
2013-01-12 01:02:47 AM

Farker Soze: John Buck 41: tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]

Yes.

[www.mtv.com image 725x365]

Marky Mark was better than I thought, what with the lens covers being down and all.


I'm pretty sure the screen cap with the lens covers on is from the scene where he proves that there's no firing pin in that rifle and it couldn't have possibly been used in the crime he was framed for or something.
 
2013-01-12 01:11:27 AM

Lsherm: StopLurkListen: I think the test for whether this thing means anything is whether the it gives the Presidential Secret Service detail fits.

Or it's no real difference to what's already out there.

I dunno - I have no idea what the state of sniperdom is.

It's probably only a concern in that it lets untrained idiots shoot more accurately than usually possible.  But if you're going to try to snipe the president, you'll probably do some training first.  So it may be a wash.

Plus, the Secret Service is very good at what they do, not counting Kennedy.


Some people believe that the Secret Service did exactly what the Illuminati wanted them to do...
 
2013-01-12 01:11:33 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: I often wondered when someone was going to come up with something like this


Yeah, with technology what it is, it was only a matter of time until it was built. Just before christmas my dad and I started talking about how scopes suck ass if you don't know windage or range or much about ballistics.(Why military snipers often have spotters). With normal scopes you can't just pick it up and shoot at an arbitrary target with any accuracy unless you happen to pick that specific range you've got it aligned for.
I sat down with a piece of paper and pencil and sketched out pretty much the same thing. Very obvious principle, so I don't give credit for creativity there, but actually making it is pretty damn cool, probably a fair bit of engineering creativity/problem solving.

The next step, quite obviously, is a remote controlled platform, like those EOD robots.
 
2013-01-12 01:13:38 AM

Glendale: Farker Soze: John Buck 41: tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]

Yes.

[www.mtv.com image 725x365]

Marky Mark was better than I thought, what with the lens covers being down and all.

I'm pretty sure the screen cap with the lens covers on is from the scene where he proves that there's no firing pin in that rifle and it couldn't have possibly been used in the crime he was framed for or something.


Yup.  Based of one of Stephen Hunter's Bob Lee Swagger novels, but they updated it to make him a vet of the Iraq war.
 
2013-01-12 01:22:26 AM
If I had one, I'd call it "Lee Harvey".
 
2013-01-12 01:29:35 AM

CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"


A hoplophobe

/spelling dependant upon alcohol level
 
2013-01-12 01:30:03 AM

Lsherm: StopLurkListen: I think the test for whether this thing means anything is whether the it gives the Presidential Secret Service detail fits.

Or it's no real difference to what's already out there.

I dunno - I have no idea what the state of sniperdom is.

It's probably only a concern in that it lets untrained idiots shoot more accurately than usually possible.  But if you're going to try to snipe the president, you'll probably do some training first.  So it may be a wash.

Plus, the Secret Service is very good at what they do, not counting Kennedy.


(the Secret Service got good at what they do BECAUSE of Kennedy)
 
2013-01-12 01:47:26 AM

Rapmaster2000: [farm1.staticflickr.com image 500x349]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work for everyone.
BTW, what's up with the hipster holding a gun like a gangster? There's like 3 competing stereotypes here.


Redneck hipster gangsta?
 
2013-01-12 01:47:53 AM

EvilEgg: Is it just a scope that tells you where to aim?  I assume I can't just point it at my foot and pull the trigger, a la the Fifth Element.

Because holding a gun steady enough to hit something a mile away is a skill all of its own.


You pick your target in the image (as seen through the scope).

The ballistic solution is calculated by the internal computer using range data from the built-in rangefinder. It generates aimpoint symbology in the same image seen through the scope.

You bring the aim-point and red-dot into coincidence in the image.

You depress the trigger, but a mechanism connected to the scope only allos the gun to fire when the aim-point and the original target selection are in coincidence.

The "feature" here is that you can pull the trigger, but the bullet will only go flying when the aim-point and target point are in coincidence.

You still need to hold the gun steady enough to meet initial conditions necessary for the bullet to follow the trajectory to the target.

The article is stupid, as expected from reporters who are technically illiterate.

The "timing" is questionable? They've been working on the product for years. It's ready. And there has been a count-down timer on their web-page for months.
Good news though: When the person standing next to you explodes, all you have to do is walk away. Because the shooter would never be able to hold you in the narrow FOV optics unless he was a freaking robot.

By itself this system is useless for a moving target or moving shooter, unless the motion happens to be along the line of fire. You'd also need the image (in the scope) to be stationary enough to reliably track the target.
 
2013-01-12 01:57:11 AM

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: StopLurkListen: I think the test for whether this thing means anything is whether the it gives the Presidential Secret Service detail fits.

Or it's no real difference to what's already out there.

I dunno - I have no idea what the state of sniperdom is.

It's probably only a concern in that it lets untrained idiots shoot more accurately than usually possible.  But if you're going to try to snipe the president, you'll probably do some training first.  So it may be a wash.

Plus, the Secret Service is very good at what they do, not counting Kennedy.

(the Secret Service got good at what they do BECAUSE of Kennedy)


Well, yeah.  I debated with myself about qualifying "modern" but I got lazy.

Later assassination attempts have, oddly enough, almost all been with handguns or bombs.  I imagine it's because crazy people don't want to put in the time to learn how to shoot long distances, or are predisposed to be poor shots to begin with.

I was living in DC when the sniper was around and one of the talking heads on the news pointed out that they had an unusually high success rate of hitting people, and that suggested military training.  But John Allen Muhammad wasn't a sniper by training - he practiced himself into it.  He got the highest marksmanship rating in basic training, but that was it.  Not surprisingly, he was using a Bushmaster XM-15 for the attacks, similar to his training with the M-16 in the army and also known as an AR-15.
 
2013-01-12 02:27:37 AM
Assuming the Daily Fail got this right...

...there's just no way I can finish that sentence.

Any way, I think that if you can't learn to aim the thing yourself then get another hobby. If there's a bug in the software then ... well, I don't want to think about what could happen.
 
2013-01-12 02:31:23 AM

GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?


blasters?
 
2013-01-12 02:32:58 AM

madgordy: this is my rifle, this is my gun one is for fighting the other is for gun grabbering.

I could hit a profile target at 3 miles with my m14, and it did not cost me 17000


Really? I think not. Unless by profile target, you mean the earth itself.
 
2013-01-12 02:37:38 AM

Farker Soze: El_Swino: CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

It's a marketing term used to drive sales and NRA donations. In general, a good marketing hook is short and sweet. "Gun grabber" is not only a very short phrase that conjures up a specific fantasy image and invokes the expected reaction, but the alliterative value of the two g's give it extra impact. From a marketing standpoint, it's a very punchy slogan. And like most marketing slogans, it's complete bullshiat. But for the NRA, like any other organization selling a product or service, it's not about facts, it's about money.

Then I guess when people like Cuomo talk about confiscation, they don't mean grabbing. Let's call it (looks in thesaurus) snatching.


Cuomo is a gasbag and anyone who is afraid of him should just calm down already.
 
2013-01-12 02:43:51 AM

Indubitably: JustYourGestureJester: GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?

scapegoats for sensationalism

To brilliant with ballistics

P.S. To freefall


hey, hey! could you explain freefall? can't say i understand the reference.
thanks, farker (not being sarcastic)
 
2013-01-12 02:44:35 AM

Bucky Katt: Assuming the Daily Fail got this right...

...there's just no way I can finish that sentence.

Any way, I think that if you can't learn to aim the thing yourself then get another hobby. If there's a bug in the software then ... well, I don't want to think about what could happen.


It's still an optical scope.  Hell, it might even be safer because it won't let you fire at the sky if you slip at the last minute.

But ultimately, it's a long range rifle.  If you're firing it somewhere that an errant round can hurt somebody, then you're going to do just as much damage with a regular rifle as you would with this one because you're a farking idiot.
 
2013-01-12 03:01:11 AM

St_Francis_P: Compensating for human error, looking through the futuristic laser rangefinder sight resembles the view a pilot has in a jet fighter cockpit and turns conventional bolt action rifles into deadly snipers - albeit at a cost of $17,000.

Yeah, those will fly off the shelves.


Payday loans are Jesus's way of saying you deserve the best.

/by "best", I mean a way to headshoot cops in the next county.
 
2013-01-12 03:07:29 AM

Lsherm: Bucky Katt: Assuming the Daily Fail got this right...

...there's just no way I can finish that sentence.

Any way, I think that if you can't learn to aim the thing yourself then get another hobby. If there's a bug in the software then ... well, I don't want to think about what could happen.

It's still an optical scope.  Hell, it might even be safer because it won't let you fire at the sky if you slip at the last minute.

But ultimately, it's a long range rifle.  If you're firing it somewhere that an errant round can hurt somebody, then you're going to do just as much damage with a regular rifle as you would with this one because you're a farking idiot.


buuut "laser guided smart rounds" says more than the system just being an optical scope, right? i'm not saying the thing fires tomahawks/ patriot missles/ whatever, but it sounds like there's more at work, here. am i wrong?

/ I
 
2013-01-12 03:11:39 AM

darthdrafter: GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?

In WW1 they were commonly called 'trench sweepers'.


I believe that a sawed off shotgun is considered a, "weapon of mass destruction."
 
2013-01-12 03:51:28 AM
As somebody developing his skill as a 1000 yard shot, this gun really doesn't help that much . If you shoot enough, you have D.O.P.E. ( data on prior engagement) that will tell you your drop and how many clicks to adjust. If you know what mils are on a scope, you don't even need a range finder, just something of relative size to get distance. Yeah, this gun would help a moron, but a real shooter wouldn't need it. It would be nice to shoot for a day, but then there would be no challenge or skill involved.

PS: Shotguns are Trench Sweepers
PSS: I use a .308 G.A. Percission FBI HRT and S&B optics.
 
2013-01-12 04:09:43 AM

JustYourGestureJester: Lsherm: Bucky Katt: Assuming the Daily Fail got this right...

...there's just no way I can finish that sentence.

Any way, I think that if you can't learn to aim the thing yourself then get another hobby. If there's a bug in the software then ... well, I don't want to think about what could happen.

It's still an optical scope.  Hell, it might even be safer because it won't let you fire at the sky if you slip at the last minute.

But ultimately, it's a long range rifle.  If you're firing it somewhere that an errant round can hurt somebody, then you're going to do just as much damage with a regular rifle as you would with this one because you're a farking idiot.

buuut "laser guided smart rounds" says more than the system just being an optical scope, right? i'm not saying the thing fires tomahawks/ patriot missles/ whatever, but it sounds like there's more at work, here. am i wrong?

/ I


The laser guiding is done through the scope and the trigger mechanism.  I was responding to his valid concern that if the software had a bug, it would be possible to put a round somewhere other than the target.
 
2013-01-12 04:48:27 AM

JustYourGestureJester: GoldSpider: So now every long-range hunting rifle is a "sniper rifle", every semi-automatic rifle is an "assault rifle"... What scary name are we going to start calling shotguns?

scapegoats for sensationalism


dl.dropbox.com

Reminds me of this oldie...

/Extremists among any group normally get proven wrong as time goes on.
/We should be concerned that extremists among gun owners are slowly being proven right.
 
2013-01-12 06:22:17 AM

jjorsett: Kind of like "gun ban" becomes the far more reasonable and innocuous sounding, "gun safety" and "gun control". The PR bullshiat war is largely on the side of the people who want guns to go away.


Really? Who on the gun control side of the debate is the equivalent of the NRA?
 
2013-01-12 06:37:39 AM

St_Francis_P: Compensating for human error, looking through the futuristic laser rangefinder sight resembles the view a pilot has in a jet fighter cockpit and turns conventional bolt action rifles into deadly snipers - albeit at a cost of $17,000.

Yeah, those will fly off the shelves.


They will sell tons... just not to you. Anyone who spends their days actively shooting people will take a look at these though, because security contracts cover expenses like these all day.

You should see what operator types will pay just for a nuclear-powered glowing crosshair...... because fark batteries in the field.
 
2013-01-12 06:46:56 AM

BravadoGT: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

[Picture of Senator Feinstein]


Do you believe that Senator Dianne Feinstien will literally come to your house and "grab" your guns?
 
KIA
2013-01-12 07:51:32 AM

CruiserTwelve: Do you believe that Senator Dianne Feinstien will literally come to your house and "grab" your guns?


Of course not. The distinguished Senator, safe behind her shield of armed federal agents, will send more armed federal agents to your house to "confiscate unregistered firearms" and "throw your ass under the jail" for having an "arsenal of incredibly powerful weaponry" and "hundreds of rounds of high-power ammunition" in "assault-weapon high-capacity magazines." The sheer cost of trying to defend yourself from a federal prosecution will bankrupt you even if you can manage to stay out of jail and the firearms will be confiscated no matter what.

So, no, she's not "grabbing" guns at all, is she?

She's really grabbing liberty and property in the guise of "protecting" people.
 
2013-01-12 08:29:47 AM

CruiserTwelve: BravadoGT: What the heck is a "gun grabber?"

[Picture of Senator Feinstein]

Do you believe that Senator Dianne Feinstien will literally come to your house and "grab" your guns?


That's what hired goons are for.
 
2013-01-12 09:01:11 AM
muramasaindustries.com

Just wait until the scopes get their first virus. Every shot will be WASTED. Muah ha ha. Or the hole thing could be bricked. I don't know which would be funnier
 
2013-01-12 09:21:10 AM
KIA:  The distinguished Senator, safe behind her shield of armed federal agents, will send more armed federal agents to your house to "confiscate unregistered firearms" and "throw your ass under the jail" for having an "arsenal of incredibly powerful weaponry" and "hundreds of rounds of high-power ammunition" in "assault-weapon high-capacity magazines." The sheer cost of trying to defend yourself from a federal prosecution will bankrupt you even if you can manage to stay out of jail and the firearms will be confiscated no matter what.

Whjat armed federal agents? The FBI? The ATF? The CIA? Homeland Security? Exactly who will come to your home and how will they obtain your guns? I want specifics. I want to know how your imagination works.
 
2013-01-12 09:21:37 AM

Lsherm: Glendale: Farker Soze: John Buck 41: tshauk: Are we still doing this?

[i94.photobucket.com image 297x350]

Yes.

[www.mtv.com image 725x365]

Marky Mark was better than I thought, what with the lens covers being down and all.

I'm pretty sure the screen cap with the lens covers on is from the scene where he proves that there's no firing pin in that rifle and it couldn't have possibly been used in the crime he was framed for or something.

Yup.  Based of one of Stephen Hunter's Bob Lee Swagger novels, but they updated it to make him a vet of the Iraq war.


Hunter has a new book being released next Tuesday (1/15) titled The Third Bullet. Swagger investigates the JFK assassination. Potentially an awesome read; can't wait.
 
2013-01-12 09:23:09 AM

KIA: Of course not. The distinguished Senator, safe behind her shield of armed federal agents, will send more armed federal agents to your house to "confiscate unregistered firearms" and "throw your ass under the jail" for having an "arsenal of incredibly powerful weaponry" and "hundreds of rounds of high-power ammunition" in "assault-weapon high-capacity magazines." The sheer cost of trying to defend yourself from a federal prosecution will bankrupt you even if you can manage to stay out of jail and the firearms will be confiscated no matter what.


By the way, who are you quoting in your post?
 
2013-01-12 09:24:06 AM

Lsherm: I was living in DC when the sniper was around and one of the talking heads on the news pointed out that they had an unusually high success rate of hitting people, and that suggested military training.  But John Allen Muhammad wasn't a sniper by training - he practiced himself into it.


He was also shooting at less than 100 yards, from rest, at stationary or predictable (exiting a bus) targets. Anyone with a basic familiarity with a rifle could have made them. What made his attacks so successful was the rather cunning removable seat and the holes in the trunk of the car just right for getting the muzzle out and the sight picture in. Ordinary people don't look for that sort of hiding place.
 
2013-01-12 09:38:28 AM

amquelbettamin: Weapon of choice for taking out neighborhood dog


Amen to that....

Can't stand f'n people that get a dog, throw it outside and let the damn thing bark....a few calls to the sheriff usually takes care of it...but if not....
 
2013-01-12 10:08:03 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Mrbogey: Flint Ironstag: Yeah that was a cock up by the writers. Guns would work in space. Not to mention that the instant Jayne fired the first shot the gun would have been in a vacuum anyway, and it still worked. I think they just did it because they thought it looked cool.

Well, a bullet should be able to be fired in a vacuum. The cycling of the action probably depends on the rifle design. After it's fired it wouldn't be in a vacuum immediately but would be in a progressively thinner atmosphere as it vents out.

Jayne thought he need it. Who are you to second guess the Hero of Canton!?!


In a hard vacuum, you can weld metal together by rubbing it together. A metal on metal action that requires a light oil for lubrication would seize up in a hard vacuum fairly quickly as the oil would boil off in a few minutes. So in that particular scenario, the suit makes sense. It protects the gun until it was fired after which the lubrication would boil off within a minute or so.
 
2013-01-12 10:20:24 AM

Mr. Eugenides: In a hard vacuum, you can weld metal together by rubbing it together. A metal on metal action that requires a light oil for lubrication would seize up in a hard vacuum fairly quickly as the oil would boil off in a few minutes.


Do you write marketing materials for adult movies?
 
2013-01-12 11:01:29 AM

Rapmaster2000: I'm pretty sure it doesn't work for everyone.
BTW, what's up with the hipster holding a gun like a gangster? There's like 3 competing stereotypes here.


It's how idiots who have never used a gun and don't understand recoil hold a gun.
 
2013-01-12 11:03:57 AM
It's how idiots who have never used a gun and don't understand recoil hold a gun.
 
2013-01-12 11:17:57 AM
I have a question for everyone who says that they don't want to ban all guns, just semi-automatics. I own a .22 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a ten bullet capacity round. Should that be illegal? I've only killed paper targets and the occasional tin can. Should it be banned because its semi-automatic? This whole thing is kind of like banning all pit bulls because one crazy moron sics it on a person. I say we should just have better background checks and mental health care.
 
2013-01-12 11:22:27 AM

Mr. Eugenides: It protects the gun until it was fired after which the lubrication would boil off within a minute or so.


more seriously, couldn't you use chrome plating or teflon or something to make a more vacuum-friendly weapon?
 
2013-01-12 11:26:56 AM
Barrett has been selling technology similar to this for a long time. Put the BORS on top of the 82A1 and the average person will be missing targets at a mile in no time.

And a Barrett with nice optics and a BORS is still gonna run you around $17K.
 
2013-01-12 11:29:09 AM

ko_kyi: Mr. Eugenides: It protects the gun until it was fired after which the lubrication would boil off within a minute or so.

more seriously, couldn't you use chrome plating or teflon or something to make a more vacuum-friendly weapon?


My 1911 is basically teflon coated. They call it "Armory Kote".
 
2013-01-12 11:34:44 AM

BGates: Barrett has been selling technology similar to this for a long time.


That's like calling a Tomogachi keychain pet similar to an XBOX 360.
 
2013-01-12 11:47:18 AM

omeganuepsilon: BGates: Barrett has been selling technology similar to this for a long time.

That's like calling a Tomogachi keychain pet similar to an XBOX 360.


Nah. The BORS simply made you input the parameters into the computer then it adjusted your scope. This new thing does it automatically. More like an XBOX compared to ab XBOX 360.
 
2013-01-12 11:55:50 AM

BGates: omeganuepsilon: BGates: Barrett has been selling technology similar to this for a long time.

That's like calling a Tomogachi keychain pet similar to an XBOX 360.

Nah. The BORS simply made you input the parameters into the computer then it adjusted your scope. This new thing does it automatically. More like an XBOX compared to ab XBOX 360.


I disagree. 360 just does a more pretty picture but is the same fundamental thing. A Tomagochi required a lot of imagination to get into.

This new scope, you're seeing actual video processing a and more direct user input in relation to it, and you don't in the BORS.

Sure, similar function(aiming). I should be giving more crap to the people who say something more along the lines of "been done already", but you were right there at the bottom of the thread.
 
2013-01-12 12:19:26 PM

CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"


It is the extreme rights insult and slang term for anyone who does not agree that firearms should be sold unregulated to anyone. They fear that regulation, registration, and tracking of firearm sales will one day allow the "government" to locate and confiscate their firearms.
 
2013-01-12 12:22:38 PM

madgordy: this is my rifle, this is my gun one is for fighting the other is for gun grabbering.

I could hit a profile target at 3 miles with my m14, and it did not cost me 17000


Yes well yours was not wireless. I imagine that a smart guy could hook this thing up to a firing platform, something with some servo's built in to elevate and rotate the gun to execute somebody remotely. Hell put it on a robot and the next school shooting there might not even be a suspect. But dam that is a whole lot of work and expense right now.
 
2013-01-12 12:24:03 PM
Pish tosh, he says. I can hit anyone from 9,000 miles away.

www.leftfootforward.org
 
2013-01-12 12:56:38 PM

Slaves2Darkness: anyone who does not agree that firearms should be sold unregulated to anyone.


Too noble to use "gun nut" eh?
 
2013-01-12 01:16:11 PM
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2013-01-12 01:35:35 PM
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/17000-linux-powered-rifle-bring s-auto-aim-to-the-real-world/
http://www.fark.com/comments/7528198/Linux-finally-has-its-killer-app

this thread is #7531184 so two thousand nine hundred and eighty-six submissions ago this subject was already linked.
 
2013-01-12 02:07:30 PM

Richard C Stanford: I have a question for everyone who says that they don't want to ban all guns, just semi-automatics. I own a .22 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a ten bullet capacity round. Should that be illegal? I've only killed paper targets and the occasional tin can. Should it be banned because its semi-automatic? This whole thing is kind of like banning all pit bulls because one crazy moron sics it on a person. I say we should just have better background checks and mental health care.


Browning MKII? My dad gave me one when I was 5. Beautiful little plinking gun.

/only thing mine ever killed was one horrifically unlucky Canadian goose back in 1978.
//he was delicious
 
2013-01-12 02:10:32 PM

prjindigo: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/01/17000-linux-powered-rifle-brin g s-auto-aim-to-the-real-world/
http://www.fark.com/comments/7528198/Linux-finally-has-its-killer-app

this thread is #7531184 so two thousand nine hundred and eighty-six submissions ago this subject was already linked.


So? Uninformative headline like that and a lot of people didn't read the thread. 68 posts? Cry some more.
This one is better, generated more page hits and more money for fark, end of story.
Get farked, spammer.
 
2013-01-12 09:15:26 PM

upndn: After 6 beers and a couple don julio's, I'm 6 ft tall and bullet-proof.

Not scared cause I'm feeling all ninja and shiat.


Had no idea our tortillas had that effect on people.
 
2013-01-12 10:03:07 PM

John Buck 41: Hunter has a new book being released next Tuesday (1/15) titled The Third Bullet. Swagger investigates the JFK assassination. Potentially an awesome read; can't wait.


Already pre-ordered for the Kindle!  I'm really looking forward to it.
 
2013-01-12 10:21:13 PM

Lsherm: John Buck 41: Hunter has a new book being released next Tuesday (1/15) titled The Third Bullet. Swagger investigates the JFK assassination. Potentially an awesome read; can't wait.

Already pre-ordered for the Kindle!  I'm really looking forward to it.


I have a Kindle, too but only use it at bedtime for Netflix, checking email, and this place. Still like to support my local indie bookstore, at least for my 3 favorite authors (see profile)
 
2013-01-13 12:10:58 AM
Finally, god mode for the real world.
 
2013-01-13 12:14:58 AM

CruiserTwelve: The_Sponge: It's the same price as a legal full auto, no big deal....but the gun grabbers will still get their panties in a wad.

What the heck is a "gun grabber?"


A hoplophobe with a projection problem.
 
2013-01-13 08:59:15 PM
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So now you're a sharpshooter?
 
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