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(My Fox 8 Greensboro)   A Case for the Ages: Brooke Greenberg may be a 20-year old, but she's also still a toddler due to a mystery medical condition. There are no other cases like Brooke's in the world   (myfox8.com) divider line 217
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2013-01-11 08:45:55 PM
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WHADDA YA MEAN THERE'S NO OTHER CASES LIKE HERS!?
 
2013-01-11 08:53:32 PM
Too old.

/amidoingitrite?
 
2013-01-11 08:54:59 PM
That is farked up.  And mom has panface.

The sister looks pretty good, though.
 
2013-01-11 09:00:43 PM

Lsherm: That is farked up.  And mom has panface.

The sister looks pretty good, though.


Perspective, glad you have one
 
2013-01-11 09:08:24 PM

jim32rr: Lsherm: That is farked up.  And mom has panface.

The sister looks pretty good, though.

Perspective, glad you have one


Hey, i didn't make fun of the kid, but the rest of the family is fair game.
 
2013-01-11 09:18:27 PM

Lsherm: jim32rr: Lsherm: That is farked up.  And mom has panface.

The sister looks pretty good, though.

Perspective, glad you have one

Hey, i didn't make fun of the kid, but the rest of the family is fair game.


I don't always laugh my friend, when I do I laugh at silly shiat
 
2013-01-11 09:23:59 PM
 "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.
 
2013-01-11 09:24:46 PM
How long until this devolves into a Chris Hansen vs. Pedobear cage match?

Also, someone should set up a cage match between Chris Hansen and a guy in a pedobear outfit.
 
2013-01-11 09:25:59 PM
There is one girl on a commercial for home health care services here that has something similar. She looks about 9 months old, is the size of an infant, but on the commercial she's on the computer, purposely manipulating the mouse and reading something. She has a breathng tube and glasses. They don't say an age or the name of her condition, just how happy they are that Home Health Care allows her to live at home full time.
 
2013-01-11 09:31:55 PM

ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.


I don't know if she is a "terrible" person, but I can't understand why she wouldn't want her child to have a more normal life and not have a mystery condition that has kept her in the body of a 4-year-old for 16 years, being fed through a tube.  Perhaps she is resigned to the situation and knows there isn't a magical pill coming, and that's how she deals with such a difficult thing.  I suspect if that personal really did come knocking with a pill, she'd absolutely take it for her daughter.
 
2013-01-11 09:49:46 PM
Click the Daily Mail link (yes, I said that) to really be freaked out. She will never age and can heal herself. She could live forever barring any accidents. She had a brain tumor that disappeared. She had a stroke with no effects, etc.
 
2013-01-11 09:53:06 PM

serpent_sky: ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

I don't know if she is a "terrible" person, but I can't understand why she wouldn't want her child to have a more normal life and not have a mystery condition that has kept her in the body of a 4-year-old for 16 years, being fed through a tube.  Perhaps she is resigned to the situation and knows there isn't a magical pill coming, and that's how she deals with such a difficult thing.  I suspect if that personal really did come knocking with a pill, she'd absolutely take it for her daughter.


It could be a number of reasons.  First of all, she loves her kid, so she cannot admit there is something "wrong" with her.  It may be moms only defense against hating her own kid. Or perhaps like many parents, don't want their kid to ever grow up.

Either way, I'm surprised that some rich person hasn't stole her to figure out what's wrong genetically. Whatever this kid is missing, may hold the key to immortality.
 
2013-01-11 09:56:29 PM

serpent_sky: ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

I don't know if she is a "terrible" person, but I can't understand why she wouldn't want her child to have a more normal life and not have a mystery condition that has kept her in the body of a 4-year-old for 16 years, being fed through a tube.  Perhaps she is resigned to the situation and knows there isn't a magical pill coming, and that's how she deals with such a difficult thing.  I suspect if that personal really did come knocking with a pill, she'd absolutely take it for her daughter.


If a mythical pill to "cure" homosexuality existed would it be horrible to turn that down for your kid? They have a pretty rough time growing up. What about curing shortness? Do we all want to be average?
 
2013-01-11 09:58:49 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Whatever this kid is missing, may hold the key to immortality.


We do all get, don't we, that this would be a really, really bad thing?

Hell, even making the majority of us reach 100 would seriously fark the human race.

My nine year old had the immortality discussion in school today. Ethics in the fourth grade - I like it.
 
2013-01-11 10:17:25 PM

namegoeshere: Darth_Lukecash: Whatever this kid is missing, may hold the key to immortality.

We do all get, don't we, that this would be a really, really bad thing?

Hell, even making the majority of us reach 100 would seriously fark the human race.

My nine year old had the immortality discussion in school today. Ethics in the fourth grade - I like it.


There is no such thing as immortality. Just unusually long life spans.
 
2013-01-11 10:21:00 PM
"If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you,"

Sounds like they have it figured out.  I mean most of you "ex snowflakes" hence forth refereed to as the "yellow snow" could never bear the burden of a non typical child.
 
2013-01-11 10:41:54 PM

Revek: I mean most of you "ex snowflakes"


Do we have ex-snowflakes yet? I thought they were all still under the age of 13.
 
2013-01-11 10:56:16 PM

jaylectricity: Revek: I mean most of you "ex snowflakes"

Do we have ex-snowflakes yet? I thought they were all still under the age of 13.


Yes we have ex snowflakes they started graduating highschool in 2000.   The yellow snow is everywhere now spreading derp and fear.
 
2013-01-11 11:00:41 PM

Revek: jaylectricity: Revek: I mean most of you "ex snowflakes"

Do we have ex-snowflakes yet? I thought they were all still under the age of 13.

Yes we have ex snowflakes they started graduating highschool in 2000.   The yellow snow is everywhere now spreading derp and fear.


I want to take your word for it, but that would be my little sister's age and I remember her and her friends and none of them were ever treated like snowflakes. I felt bad for what most of them had to go through.

I dunno, maybe I didn't live in such a high class neighborhood as you.
 
2013-01-11 11:14:23 PM

jaylectricity: Revek: jaylectricity: Revek: I mean most of you "ex snowflakes"

Do we have ex-snowflakes yet? I thought they were all still under the age of 13.

Yes we have ex snowflakes they started graduating highschool in 2000.   The yellow snow is everywhere now spreading derp and fear.

I want to take your word for it, but that would be my little sister's age and I remember her and her friends and none of them were ever treated like snowflakes. I felt bad for what most of them had to go through.

I dunno, maybe I didn't live in such a high class neighborhood as you.


You probably didn't but a lot of them did.  It has nothing to do with 'high class' and everything to do with decency.
 
2013-01-11 11:42:48 PM
No other case in the world, huh? Clearly submitter's never been to 4chan or heard of Chris-Chan.
 
2013-01-11 11:48:27 PM
Well, on the plus side they won't have to pay for her university...
 
2013-01-11 11:48:37 PM
Please. No other cases? Have you BEEN to the Politics tab lately subby?
 
2013-01-11 11:49:07 PM
To plastick
 
2013-01-11 11:50:07 PM

Indubitably: To plastick


Do you see the resin rising?
 
2013-01-11 11:51:30 PM

namegoeshere: There is one girl on a commercial for home health care services here that has something similar. She looks about 9 months old, is the size of an infant, but on the commercial she's on the computer, purposely manipulating the mouse and reading something. She has a breathng tube and glasses. They don't say an age or the name of her condition, just how happy they are that Home Health Care allows her to live at home full time.


Could be a precocious baby.
 
2013-01-11 11:51:45 PM
You can make any 20-year-old girl act like her, just add roofies.
 
2013-01-11 11:53:12 PM
She's not broke

BULLSHIAT.  Why do parents of special needs children insist on saying this.  Yes, she is broke.  There's something wrong with her and you are a horrible person if you would turn down a chance to fix her.
 
2013-01-11 11:54:06 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Too old.

/amidoingitrite?


You're going to special hell.
 
2013-01-11 11:57:47 PM
She may be twenty, but she makes a hella ugly four year old.
 
2013-01-12 12:00:20 AM

Oldiron_79: AdolfOliverPanties: Too old.

/amidoingitrite?

You're going to special hell.


Oh come on. She's TWENTY fer crissakes. She's a woman, with needs. Needs I tell ya. And nobody but a real Farker should be allowed near the lady. Get the lady a TF subscription if we get details.

/did not RTFA. *shudders*
 
2013-01-12 12:00:40 AM
localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com

Who is that redhead holding her? She's a stone fox.
 
2013-01-12 12:01:17 AM
I'd be interested to know if her bones are fused together like an adults or if they are like a 4 year old's. If the bone structure is like an adult's in child proportions I'd think that it'd be a new type of dwarfism/growth hormone thing with developmental delays (halt is a better word I guess) in the brain.
 
2013-01-12 12:03:48 AM
Imagine a stranger walking up to the mother and Brooke in a store somewhere and saying "Oh what a cute baby! If only they'd stay this way forever!"

You know it's happened at least once.
 
2013-01-12 12:03:50 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: [localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com image 630x354]

Who is that redhead holding her? She's a stone fox.


look at guns on katie!
 
2013-01-12 12:05:13 AM
Sheseala: I think it's a kind of primordial dwarfism. I was hoping there for a while we'd learn something that could extend our lifespan, but I don't think that's the case. I've had a link to her story in my profile for years.
 
2013-01-12 12:05:35 AM
Doctors told Brooke's parents, who live in Maryland

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Remind me to buy one of those Brita things tomorrow.
 
2013-01-12 12:08:30 AM
did i miss a video? does the 20 year old talk like a 20 year old?
 
2013-01-12 12:10:01 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: did i miss a video? does the 20 year old talk like a 20 year old?


not necessarily like a 20 year old, but is she cognitive?
 
2013-01-12 12:10:29 AM
This is worse than the 20,30 year olds who look like kids. I outgrew my little sister but nothing compared to that. Jebbus

/At least buying baby food all the time is cheaper in the long run but like others said, I'm shocked Donald Trump hasn't given the family millions to test her DNA or genes.
 
2013-01-12 12:10:45 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Sheseala: I think it's a kind of primordial dwarfism. I was hoping there for a while we'd learn something that could extend our lifespan, but I don't think that's the case. I've had a link to her story in my profile for years.


Kind of looks like it--with some kind of arrested progeria or Angelman's syndrome? (Type of developmental delay with microcephaly) The age of onset is kind of strange, though; but she looks like she had some kind of organic brain disfunction or injury. Infection maybe?
 
2013-01-12 12:11:49 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: [localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com image 630x354]

Who is that redhead holding her? She's a stone fox.


Carley Greenberg, her younger sister.
 
2013-01-12 12:11:59 AM
OMG...... journalism is so dead.

#1: Is she mentally a 20-year old? Or does she have diminished capacity?
#2: Is she not aging at all? IE: has she experienced puberty? Has she gotten adult teeth?

Can anyone write an article that answers BASIC questions anymore? WTF?
 
2013-01-12 12:12:19 AM
googled and found this Link
 
2013-01-12 12:12:51 AM
img820.imageshack.us

He's soooooo happy.
 
2013-01-12 12:13:39 AM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Oldiron_79: AdolfOliverPanties: Too old.

/amidoingitrite?

You're going to special hell.

Oh come on. She's TWENTY fer crissakes. She's a woman, with needs. Needs I tell ya. And nobody but a real Farker should be allowed near the lady. Get the lady a TF subscription if we get details.

/did not RTFA. *shudders*


Maybe you should. She weighs 16 pounds and has an estimated mental age of nine months to one year.
 
2013-01-12 12:15:40 AM
Also here's the same damn condition in someone else.

Link

Basic youtube search for Brooke, related videos.

This journalist is not exactly thorough.
 
2013-01-12 12:16:16 AM

Gyrfalcon: Quantum Apostrophe: Sheseala: I think it's a kind of primordial dwarfism. I was hoping there for a while we'd learn something that could extend our lifespan, but I don't think that's the case. I've had a link to her story in my profile for years.

Kind of looks like it--with some kind of arrested progeria or Angelman's syndrome? (Type of developmental delay with microcephaly) The age of onset is kind of strange, though; but she looks like she had some kind of organic brain disfunction or injury. Infection maybe?


Apparently she had a tumor when she was young but it disappeared.  Her cells are also aging normally, even if her overall body is not, so she'll probably start developing wrinkles and such as she gets even older.

Long story short - she's going to be one farked up looking infant when she's a senior citizen.
 
2013-01-12 12:16:27 AM
localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com

Here I was, eager to extol the "Lolita" angle, but am I to understand the 20 year old in question is the one being carried on the far left?

Yeah, I'll be the last to judge you for whatever your particular kink is, but if anyone with a normal sized dong inserts it into something that tiny, it damn well better be a fleshlight.
 
2013-01-12 12:16:33 AM

OgreMagi: She's not broke

BULLSHIAT.  Why do parents of special needs children insist on saying this.  Yes, she is broke.  There's something wrong with her and you are a horrible person if you would turn down a chance to fix her.


I remember during my Mormon days some guy was talking about patriarchal blessings (basically a fortune cookie on steroids, but without the cookie) and how he talked with some other dude who had to come up with one for a profoundly "special needs" kid. What he pulled out of his ass was something to do with the kid having been, prior to meatspace life, one of the angels who escorted Lucifer out of Heaven. The idea was Skypappy had the kid's back by using a loophole to keep the kid childlike and innocent until he assumed room temperature so Satan couldn't screw with him and this kid would be absolutely without sin, guaranteed a spot in the velvet rope section, 72 virgins, and a Lamborghini Countach that never runs out of gas.

All I could think of was "How many assholes had to bounce Lucifer Skywalker down to hell? Cuz there are a whole lot of retards* out there, have been in the past, and there will be many more."

* including me, but I got my bugs patched with filthy science; against the Abrahamic god's will, of course.
 
2013-01-12 12:16:36 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: [localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com image 630x354]

Who is that redhead holding her? She's a stone fox.


I'm more interested in who the black chick is, and why Meredith Viera looks like she's about to cop a feel on mom...
 
2013-01-12 12:16:55 AM

Darth_Lukecash: namegoeshere: Darth_Lukecash: Whatever this kid is missing, may hold the key to immortality.

We do all get, don't we, that this would be a really, really bad thing?

Hell, even making the majority of us reach 100 would seriously fark the human race.

My nine year old had the immortality discussion in school today. Ethics in the fourth grade - I like it.

There is no such thing as immortality. Just unusually long life spans.


Perhaps not in the fictional sense that nothing can kill you, but there is such a thing as biological imortality (pops).
 
2013-01-12 12:17:07 AM

Mangoose: How long until this devolves into a Chris Hansen vs. Pedobear cage match?


Oh, yeah, like a Fountain of Uncouth.
 
2013-01-12 12:17:09 AM
"She's not broke..."

I get what OgreMagi's saying, but I've seen a hell of a lot of parents online flapping their arms around and wailing about their 'broken angel' and such when their kid has various minor-to-serious disorders. It's a horrible thing to have an unhealthy child, and a horrible thing to have to *be* one, but as a kid who grew up epileptic I'm pretty thrilled my parents never once treated me as a broken person. I've seen others who weren't as lucky.

I'm thinking serpent_sky is right and if there did end up being a miracle cure, they'd take it. There's a HUGE difference between accepting your kid for who they are along with their limitations, and willfully denying treatment.

Course, people are crazy, too. There's always that.
 
2013-01-12 12:17:23 AM
I say we cast her in a tv sitcom


...I didn't mean to
 
2013-01-12 12:18:07 AM

ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.


Came to say this
 
2013-01-12 12:18:38 AM

Bathia_Mapes: EVERYBODY PANIC: Oldiron_79: AdolfOliverPanties: ...

Maybe you should. She weighs 16 pounds and has an estimated mental age of nine months to one year.


That sounds like most of girls I knew who were named "Brooke" in high school.
 
2013-01-12 12:19:24 AM

doglover: Bonanza Jellybean: [localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com image 630x354]

Who is that redhead holding her? She's a stone fox.

Carley Greenberg, her younger sister.


Bummer. I thought it might be somebody from the show. E-stalking real people (not in showbiz) is a little much for me. Crazy that the same parents produced those two.
 
2013-01-12 12:20:22 AM
That's one sexy looking 20 year old.

//What? She's legal.
////I wonder if she likes candy and vans.
 
2013-01-12 12:20:54 AM

BarkingUnicorn: namegoeshere: There is one girl on a commercial for home health care services here that has something similar. She looks about 9 months old, is the size of an infant, but on the commercial she's on the computer, purposely manipulating the mouse and reading something. She has a breathng tube and glasses. They don't say an age or the name of her condition, just how happy they are that Home Health Care allows her to live at home full time.

Could be a precocious baby.


Oh, i've seen a similar ad. The kid is touting financial advice. Dont you believe it
 
2013-01-12 12:21:00 AM

Funbags: [localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com image 630x354]

Here I was, eager to extol the "Lolita" angle, but am I to understand the 20 year old in question is the one being carried on the far left?

Yeah, I'll be the last to judge you for whatever your particular kink is, but if anyone with a normal sized dong inserts it into something that tiny, it damn well better be a fleshlight.


Yes. She weighs 16 pounds and has an estimated mental age of nine months to one yearl
 
2013-01-12 12:21:38 AM

Fano: I say we cast her in a tv sitcom


...I didn't mean to


That's exactly what I was thinking, but I know it's not the same.
 
2013-01-12 12:23:26 AM

lasercannon: That's one sexy looking 20 year old.

//What? She's legal.
////I wonder if she likes candy and vans.


Special hell
 
2013-01-12 12:24:14 AM
Sorry mom, the kids broke. It's ok to be broke. It's not ok to deny it.
 
2013-01-12 12:27:21 AM
Where the fark was the content in the article?
 
2013-01-12 12:29:02 AM
So has she had sex yet? Will she ever have sex? How can she live her entire life and have the subject not come up?

/window seat please
 
2013-01-12 12:29:27 AM

lasercannon: That's one sexy looking 20 year old.

//What? She's legal.
////I wonder if she likes candy and vans.


Not legal. Mentally she's even younger than she looks. Unable to consent.
 
2013-01-12 12:29:55 AM
Site seems to be slow, so I'm reposting here:

Brooke Greenberg may be a 20-year-old, but she's also still a toddler due to a mystery medical condition that has baffled medical experts for several years.

From ages one to four, Brooke changed like a normal child. However, between four and five, she stopped, her parents told Katie Couric. Katie airs at 11 a.m. every weekday on FOX8.

"From age one to four, Brooke changed. She got a little bit bigger," explained her father, Howard, during the family's appearance on Thursday's "Katie" with Katie Couric. "But age four, four to five, she stopped."

Since then, Brooke's height has remained at 20 inches and her weight at 16 pounds. She wears diapers and pushes a stroller, gets fed through a feeding tube and communicates like an infant would.

"Like 6 months," she explained on the TV show. "Can you imagine what it's been like to deal with a 6 month old for 20 years? Whining, crying, pooping, vomiting, and she still hasn't learned to sleep through the night."

Doctors told Brooke's parents, who live in Maryland, there are no other cases like Brooke's in the world and they're the unluckiest people in existence.

The family provides care to her every day, like some horrible slave race, trapped in a hell of their own making.

"It hasn't been easy," Melanie told Couric. "People try to sympathize by talking about their own colicky babies, but they just don't understand. She had colic for six years. Six years!"

Doctors have no way to even determine how long Brooke may live and the family will be trapped in misery.

"If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'we can get you out of this with a pill.' I would say, 'Thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show, his voice breaking. "But I have no hope in ever hearing those sweet, sweet words of release."

Astrologists are now reading every star on the Greenberg's charts to determine which god they pissed off.
 
2013-01-12 12:32:41 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Funbags: [localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com image 630x354]

Here I was, eager to extol the "Lolita" angle, but am I to understand the 20 year old in question is the one being carried on the far left?

Yeah, I'll be the last to judge you for whatever your particular kink is, but if anyone with a normal sized dong inserts it into something that tiny, it damn well better be a fleshlight.

Yes. She weighs 16 pounds and has an estimated mental age of nine months to one yearl


Christ... I should've rtfa.
 
2013-01-12 12:33:06 AM

lasercannon: That's one sexy looking 20 year old.

//What? She's legal.
////I wonder if she likes candy and vans.


It's nice to see that Jerry Sandusky got the internet in Prison.
 
2013-01-12 12:33:07 AM
In some ways it's kind of the opposite of progeria.
 
2013-01-12 12:33:51 AM
I grew up in an area where there are a lot of special care facilities for celebrity family members and VIP dependents. All of this is supposed to be secret, but some of these establishments have been around since the 1920s and stories do leak out about the patients.

But this poor kid has them all beat.
 
2013-01-12 12:35:27 AM
What if she has the DNA for immortality? If we could just reconfigure the DNA after studying what she has and tune it to our "best age", wouldn't that be great? Forever 20, 25, or even 30 years old with a beautiful body and a sharp mind!
 
2013-01-12 12:36:38 AM

Theaetetus: we can get you out of this with a pill


no pill is going to cure that now, if something may have been done 19+ years ago maybe. and 19+ years ago there weren't any drugs to cure this. whatever the reason it's so rare, anyone think they have a cure.

the parent(s) have accepted what was dealt them and dealed with it and moved forward.
 
2013-01-12 12:38:58 AM

OgreMagi: There's something wrong with her and you are a horrible person if you would turn down a chance to fix her.


From the brief article, she appears to have similar physical and cognitive developmental delays; were those not in sync, I would definitely agree. However, assuming "communicates like an infant would" refers to cognitive level rather than formation of words alone, I am not quick to say a more normal life now is better. She is not a four year old but a twenty year old, which could mean similar physical and mental deterioration based on her actual age rather than apparent age while causing confusion on topics of legal age such as driving, smoking, gambling, drinking, voting, etc.. The girl has been robbed of nearly two decades, likely far more no matter how swiftly a cure arrives, and this seems far crueler to someone with the wherewithal of an adult than a child, to say whatever you are doing with your life is cut by twenty years.

Were I edging towards fifty rather than thirty... I only now feel my life has reached a point of stability, where I have the education and resources and contacts and motivation and so on to make myself into whatever I want, and twenty less years to do this would be difficult.

Darth_Lukecash: Whatever this kid is missing, may hold the key to immortality.


Might be her cells still age in the same way ours do, but those plans for physical and cognitive development are not progressing. At best, I think she is a practical fountain of youth rather than elixir of life, so to speak.
 
2013-01-12 12:39:38 AM
AdolfOliverPanties:

Too old.

/amidoingitrite?


Well, let's see, if she has the body of a toddler but she's a actually 20 YEARS old....

No, that's too wrong to joke about. Even for me.

Anyway. Have they figured out what her mental age is? They say she still talks like a child, but there are ways to measure IQ in even in blind deaf-mutes etc.

And yes, if there were a cure she should have it.
 
2013-01-12 12:41:04 AM

megalynn44: ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

Came to say this


It wouldn't be the first time a parent denied treatment for a child's disability just so they'd remain emotionally attached. A few years back there was a case of a deaf child who could have regained its hearing through a surgery but the mother, who was also deaf, didn't want her kid to be able to hear because the child would no longer be part of the deaf community that the mother felt was superior to the rest of society.
 
2013-01-12 12:41:28 AM

maram500: Bonanza Jellybean: [localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com image 630x354]

Who is that redhead holding her? She's a stone fox.

I'm more interested in who the black chick is, and why Meredith Viera looks like she's about to cop a feel on mom...


I would like to know myself especially since Meredith ain't in the farkin picture.
 
2013-01-12 12:44:43 AM

EngineerAU: megalynn44: ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

Came to say this

It wouldn't be the first time a parent denied treatment for a child's disability just so they'd remain emotionally attached. A few years back there was a case of a deaf child who could have regained its hearing through a surgery but the mother, who was also deaf, didn't want her kid to be able to hear because the child would no longer be part of the deaf community that the mother felt was superior to the rest of society.


...that was from Scrubs
 
2013-01-12 12:44:44 AM

The One True TheDavid: AdolfOliverPanties:

Too old.

/amidoingitrite?

Well, let's see, if she has the body of a toddler but she's a actually 20 YEARS old....

No, that's too wrong to joke about. Even for me.

Anyway. Have they figured out what her mental age is? They say she still talks like a child, but there are ways to measure IQ in even in blind deaf-mutes etc.

And yes, if there were a cure she should have it.


There's a link to a more complete article within the article posted by the submitter. Her mental age is estimated to be between nine months to one year.
 
2013-01-12 12:45:45 AM

EngineerAU: megalynn44: ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

Came to say this

It wouldn't be the first time a parent denied treatment for a child's disability just so they'd remain emotionally attached. A few years back there was a case of a deaf child who could have regained its hearing through a surgery but the mother, who was also deaf, didn't want her kid to be able to hear because the child would no longer be part of the deaf community that the mother felt was superior to the rest of society.


If you're talking about a cochlear implant- there are a lot of people in the deaf community that have mixed feelings about them, and several have chosen not to get them for various reasons, and it's not a crazy decision in the slightest.

And honestly, people are going to conclude that this woman is a terrible person for saying in a tv interview what amounts to "I love my daughter exactly the way she is"? Her daughter's disease is not currently curable. They're obviously doing whatever they can- having her genome sequenced means they're working with doctors and medical researchers pretty closely. They're not denying her care.
 
2013-01-12 12:47:29 AM
 
2013-01-12 12:47:29 AM
So when can I get my pet tiger that stays a cub forever?
 
2013-01-12 12:48:16 AM

EngineerAU: It wouldn't be the first time a parent denied treatment for a child's disability just so they'd remain emotionally attached.


Reminds me of the case of Ashley X in 1997, where the parents of a developmentally disabled paid a doctor cash under the table to amputate her developing breasts, and remove her uterus and fallopian tubes so she'd never reach sexual maturity and never have any growth spurts during puberty. Even the hospital later admitted the surgery was illegal at the time, and should not have been done or allowed without a court order. The parents did so so that Ashley would remain a child-sized girl for her entire life, their "pillow angel"

Encyclopedia Dramatica has a far less tactful telling of the story. (NSFW)
 
2013-01-12 12:49:19 AM

Darth_Lukecash: serpent_sky: ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

I don't know if she is a "terrible" person, but I can't understand why she wouldn't want her child to have a more normal life and not have a mystery condition that has kept her in the body of a 4-year-old for 16 years, being fed through a tube.  Perhaps she is resigned to the situation and knows there isn't a magical pill coming, and that's how she deals with such a difficult thing.  I suspect if that personal really did come knocking with a pill, she'd absolutely take it for her daughter.

It could be a number of reasons.  First of all, she loves her kid, so she cannot admit there is something "wrong" with her.  It may be moms only defense against hating her own kid. Or perhaps like many parents, don't want their kid to ever grow up.

Either way, I'm surprised that some rich person hasn't stole her to figure out what's wrong genetically. Whatever this kid is missing, may hold the key to immortality.


Development is very different from degradation of a body's ability to regemerate cells, I suspect.

This mom can tell herself any lies to make herself feel better imo.
 
2013-01-12 12:49:52 AM

EngineerAU: megalynn44: ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

Came to say this

It wouldn't be the first time a parent denied treatment for a child's disability just so they'd remain emotionally attached. A few years back there was a case of a deaf child who could have regained its hearing through a surgery but the mother, who was also deaf, didn't want her kid to be able to hear because the child would no longer be part of the deaf community that the mother felt was superior to the rest of society.


A portion of the deaf community could be called "militant deaf".  They reject medical treatment that could cure them, on the grounds that there is nothing wrong.  They also refuse to learn to lip read and insist everyone else learn sign language.  Basically, they're douches.  I'd say ignore them, except they force their idiocy on their children as in the case you mention.
 
2013-01-12 12:51:06 AM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Oldiron_79: AdolfOliverPanties: Too old.

/amidoingitrite?

You're going to special hell.

Oh come on. She's TWENTY fer crissakes. She's a woman, with needs. Needs I tell ya. And nobody but a real Farker should be allowed near the lady. Get the lady a TF subscription if we get details.

/did not RTFA. *shudders*


The way most statutory rape and pedophilia laws are written, that would actually be an interesting case.
 
2013-01-12 12:51:49 AM

New Farkin User Name: ...that was from Scrubs


I've never watched Scrubs but it wouldn't surprise me if a tv show took a story line from an actual event. It's happen once or two thousand times.

Genevieve Marie: If you're talking about a cochlear implant- there are a lot of people in the deaf community that have mixed feelings about them, and several have chosen not to get them for various reasons, and it's not a crazy decision in the slightest.


Mom's reasons were strictly based on keeping her kid in the deaf community. It was a social decision made for the kid rather than a medical one. Hopefully it wasn't the type of treatment that could only be done in childhood so the kid would have the option choosing yes once they turned 18.
 
2013-01-12 12:52:10 AM

BronyMedic: Encyclopedia Dramatica has a far less tactful telling of the story. (NSFW)


WTF is that? i have never heard of this place. "Ashley suffers from at least 100 types of retarded" . ???
 
2013-01-12 12:54:08 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: "Ashley suffers from at least 100 types of retarded" . ???


is where i stopped
 
2013-01-12 12:54:08 AM

EngineerAU: Mom's reasons were strictly based on keeping her kid in the deaf community. It was a social decision made for the kid rather than a medical one. Hopefully it wasn't the type of treatment that could only be done in childhood so the kid would have the option choosing yes once they turned 18.


That's why I asked what kind of procedure it was. if it was a cochlear implant- the child would never actually have full hearing and would need extensive speech therapy, which the mother probably isn't capable of helping with since she's deaf herself. There are a lot of people in the deaf community that would rather dwell in their own community with other people they can communicate with perfectly than be outside of it with hearing people that they have a hard time communicating with.

I'm just saying... it's not that simple.
 
2013-01-12 12:55:16 AM

EngineerAU: megalynn44: ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

Came to say this

It wouldn't be the first time a parent denied treatment for a child's disability just so they'd remain emotionally attached. A few years back there was a case of a deaf child who could have regained its hearing through a surgery but the mother, who was also deaf, didn't want her kid to be able to hear because the child would no longer be part of the deaf community that the mother felt was superior to the rest of society.


If only Killer Croc had a rock. A really big rock.
 
2013-01-12 12:55:32 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: BronyMedic: Encyclopedia Dramatica has a far less tactful telling of the story. (NSFW)

WTF is that? i have never heard of this place. "Ashley suffers from at least 100 types of retarded" . ???


Yea, here's a factual account of it. That Encyclopedia Dramatica one should offend anyone with a soul.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_X
 
2013-01-12 12:55:59 AM
Time for Katie Couric to grow up and stop calling herself farking Katie.
 
2013-01-12 12:57:38 AM
Come on, only one in the world?
There's at least 500 babies born every day in Asia somewhere with grotesque mockeries of bodies that the greatest philosophers are unable to justify.
That place is God's testing ground for pain and general pestilence.

"What if... what if they're just born without skin?
Huh, you know, I haven't seen a human with their brain located in their feet yet."
 
2013-01-12 12:59:25 AM

SuperNinjaToad: maram500: Bonanza Jellybean: [localtvwghp.files.wordpress.com image 630x354]

Who is that redhead holding her? She's a stone fox.

I'm more interested in who the black chick is, and why Meredith Viera looks like she's about to cop a feel on mom...

I would like to know myself especially since Meredith ain't in the farkin picture.


That...that's the joke, killjoy.
 
2013-01-12 12:59:54 AM
www.filmforum.org
Not impressed...
 
2013-01-12 01:02:05 AM

BronyMedic: Encyclopedia Dramatica has a far less tactful telling of the story. (NSFW)


Well great. I cracked up at the phrase "constantly pooping piece of kinetic art" and now my soul is damned to hell.

So... thanks for that.
 
2013-01-12 01:02:15 AM

Walker: Click the Daily Mail link (yes, I said that) to really be freaked out. She will never age and can heal herself. She could live forever barring any accidents. She had a brain tumor that disappeared. She had a stroke with no effects, etc.


Her parents should be wary of individuals with unusual accents bearing swords. There can be only one.
 
2013-01-12 01:02:21 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Who is that redhead holding her? She's a stone fox.


That "stone fox" has the exact same eyes, nose, and mouth as the "panface" two to her left, to borrow lsherm's expression. Which means that in a couple of decades, that fox is almost certainly going to turn into cookware herself.

Danger, Will Robinson.
 
2013-01-12 01:02:37 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: WHERE THE FARK do you get off making high-handed ethical decisions for 7 billion people?


Don't think he is saying immortality is immoral or unethical but creates a host of problems with the world population, availability of work, and the general scheme of how our world functions, as well as graver concern for death not cased by aging. Ability to extend your life for another hundred years, one hundred productive years, would itself be a shift in the life paradigm, but immortality... couldn't fathom all of the implications.

EngineerAU: Genevieve Marie: If you're talking about a cochlear implant- there are a lot of people in the deaf community that have mixed feelings about them, and several have chosen not to get them for various reasons, and it's not a crazy decision in the slightest.

Mom's reasons were strictly based on keeping her kid in the deaf community. It was a social decision made for the kid rather than a medical one. Hopefully it wasn't the type of treatment that could only be done in childhood so the kid would have the option choosing yes once they turned 18.


Heard of this before. The Deaf community has some... fundamentalists for a lack of a better word which says unless you were born with total hearing loss you are not Deaf, Deaf people should only be in schools which focus on signing and cultural assimilation, and similar isolation. This is an identity, and parents want to share an identity with their children. I do not agree with this, if someone offered me another sense such as echolocation I would likely leap at the opportunity because sensing heat and touch and taste and equilibrium are all quite awesome, but I do understand.

As for cochlear implants, as far as I know, the earlier you have them the greater success you will have. Listening, especially through cochlear implants, is a skill you work at. Further, there are all manner of language related issues with recognizing and prioritizing certain sounds and sound combinations while having the opportunity to experiment through babbling and motor skill development which make tremendous difference. But, those can generally be done any age.
 
2013-01-12 01:07:37 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: BronyMedic: Encyclopedia Dramatica has a far less tactful telling of the story. (NSFW)

WTF is that? i have never heard of this place. "Ashley suffers from at least 100 types of retarded" . ???


Best way to sum it up is a wiki for 4chan. You should probably turn away if that simple phrase was enough to get a reaction out of you.
 
2013-01-12 01:08:04 AM

Genevieve Marie: That Encyclopedia Dramatica one should offend anyone with a soul.


i found the real wiki and posted a youtube video, which is just commentary, upthread.

i had never heard of Encyclopedia Dramatica before. it's like ogrish with words.
 
2013-01-12 01:08:15 AM
No one bit on the "curing gay" troll. I'm proud of you Farkers.
 
2013-01-12 01:09:03 AM

gweilo8888: Bonanza Jellybean: Who is that redhead holding her? She's a stone fox.

That "stone fox" has the exact same eyes, nose, and mouth as the "panface" two to her left, to borrow lsherm's expression. Which means that in a couple of decades, that fox is almost certainly going to turn into cookware herself.

Danger, Will Robinson.


Not unless her eyes get three inches closer together and she manages to grow another two inches between her cheekbones and forehead.

The young'in has a chance because her dad's features rounded out her face a little bit.
 
2013-01-12 01:09:49 AM

namegoeshere: Darth_Lukecash: Whatever this kid is missing, may hold the key to immortality.

We do all get, don't we, that this would be a really, really bad thing?

Hell, even making the majority of us reach 100 would seriously fark the human race.

My nine year old had the immortality discussion in school today. Ethics in the fourth grade - I like it.


That depends entirely on the circumstances. Would you be willing to give up your reproductive capability in return for immortality?
 
2013-01-12 01:10:01 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Who is that redhead holding her? She's a stone fox.


Is that trick photography like they used in the movie Elf to make Will Ferrell appear larger? Because, good lord, Katie Couric's head and arm look HUGE.
 
2013-01-12 01:11:26 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: it's like ogrish with words.


i am talking like 1995 ogrish, the last time i looked at that shiat either
 
2013-01-12 01:11:47 AM

Lsherm: Not unless her eyes get three inches closer together and she manages to grow another two inches between her cheekbones and forehead.

The young'in has a chance because her dad's features rounded out her face a little bit.


The young'in just isn't old enough to have developed the long face yet. I would put money on it happening. In fact, I'd put money on the panface's pics in younger days looking almost identical to the daughter.
 
2013-01-12 01:14:54 AM

GreenSun: What if she has the DNA for immortality? If we could just reconfigure the DNA after studying what she has and tune it to our "best age", wouldn't that be great? Forever 20, 25, or even 30 years old with a beautiful body and a sharp mind!


That's what I'm hoping.

Perhaps, while they're at it, they could even tweek her DNA and put her back on a normal development path.
 
2013-01-12 01:15:47 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-12 01:16:50 AM

Genevieve Marie: Yea, here's a factual account of it. That Encyclopedia Dramatica one should offend anyone with a soul.


Most people on FARK sold their soul for a dounut years ago.

I also linked to the wikipedia article in my post, by the way.
 
2013-01-12 01:19:59 AM

ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.


Agreed. She can't care for herself. That's broken.

Also, being tube fed is broken.
 
2013-01-12 01:20:03 AM

GreenSun: What if she has the DNA for immortality? If we could just reconfigure the DNA after studying what she has and tune it to our "best age", wouldn't that be great? Forever 20, 25, or even 30 years old with a beautiful body and a sharp mind!


Because the world's not overcrowded enough. Now we need 250-year olds with the bodies of 25-year olds, competing for food, shelter and all the other resources we need with the real 25-year olds. And the 50-year old 25-year olds. And the 75-year old 25-year olds. And the 100-year... you get my point.

Anybody who lusts after immortality is not only an idiot, but is also one of the most selfish farksticks on the planet.
 
2013-01-12 01:20:46 AM

BronyMedic: Genevieve Marie: Yea, here's a factual account of it. That Encyclopedia Dramatica one should offend anyone with a soul.

Most people on FARK sold their soul for a dounut years ago.

I also linked to the wikipedia article in my post, by the way.


you did link both, no one was questioning your level of humanity. you just happened to have posted the dramatica link first.
 
2013-01-12 01:20:59 AM

gweilo8888: GreenSun: What if she has the DNA for immortality? If we could just reconfigure the DNA after studying what she has and tune it to our "best age", wouldn't that be great? Forever 20, 25, or even 30 years old with a beautiful body and a sharp mind!

Because the world's not overcrowded enough. Now we need 250-year olds with the bodies of 25-year olds, competing for food, shelter and all the other resources we need with the real 25-year olds. And the 50-year old 25-year olds. And the 75-year old 25-year olds. And the 100-year... you get my point.

Anybody who lusts after immortality is not only an idiot, but is also one of the most selfish farksticks on the planet.


What's a better impetus for the development of space colonization technology?
 
2013-01-12 01:21:31 AM
I think the Mom's comment about the cure was a poor way of saying that they love her no matter what. Some folks are reading way too into it.

//course, Mom could want her to be a baby forever but I doubt it.
 
2013-01-12 01:24:29 AM

BronyMedic: I also linked to the wikipedia article in my post, by the way.


Sorry, I missed that. I remember the case though. It was an interesting story- I'm still not sure how I feel about it.
 
2013-01-12 01:25:38 AM

fusillade762: No one bit on the "curing gay" troll. I'm proud of you Farkers.


But it would be a chance to cure breederism. If everyone was gay, there would be world peace, no hunger, no disease and no poverty. Cum-by-ya.
 
2013-01-12 01:29:50 AM

BronyMedic: What's a better impetus for the development of space colonization technology?


Space colonization is a fairy tale.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827860.100-why-space-is-the-i m possible-frontier.html

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/

It's a nice fairy tale, to be sure. But it's not going to happen any time soon, and even if it does happen, it's not going to happen in the form of millions of people leaving for the promised planet as they did for the promised land. It's going to happen in the form of a handful of very carefully-selected people leaving and starting a population anew somewhere else. We'll still have almost every single person who was born on earth still here, so "immortality" (even if it only doubles the upper bounds on age at death, and is only available to the richest ten percent of the population) is still going to worsen the already massive overcrowding we face.

So I repeat: anybody who dreams of immortality is a selfish farkstick. You're born, you die. Live the bit in between, and stop expecting it to last forever.
 
2013-01-12 01:30:22 AM
Typical Millennial.

*runs far, far away*
 
2013-01-12 01:30:23 AM

lasercannon: That's one sexy looking 20 year old.

//What? She's legal.
////I wonder if she likes candy and vans.


She's unable to give consent, so she's not legal.

Sorry for your loss, dude.
 
2013-01-12 01:31:00 AM

gweilo8888: Space colonization is a fairy tale.


You must be a blast at parties.

blog.zap2it.com
 
2013-01-12 01:31:37 AM

Darth_Lukecash: There is no such thing as immortality.


Yet.

My first thought about this case was if the girl has the mind of an adult she could make a metric assload of money doing porn or as a prostitute. That probably makes me a bad person though.
 
2013-01-12 01:34:09 AM

BronyMedic: You must be a blast at parties.


Hah!

I just don't like selfish people, and immortality is close to the most selfish thing anybody could possibly ask for.
 
2013-01-12 01:34:15 AM

gweilo8888: GreenSun: What if she has the DNA for immortality? If we could just reconfigure the DNA after studying what she has and tune it to our "best age", wouldn't that be great? Forever 20, 25, or even 30 years old with a beautiful body and a sharp mind!

Because the world's not overcrowded enough. Now we need 250-year olds with the bodies of 25-year olds, competing for food, shelter and all the other resources we need with the real 25-year olds. And the 50-year old 25-year olds. And the 75-year old 25-year olds. And the 100-year... you get my point.

Anybody who lusts after immortality is not only an idiot, but is also one of the most selfish farksticks on the planet.


Anyone who is immortal is obviously a vampire, therefore their very existence is a tax on the population! Duh!
 
2013-01-12 01:34:33 AM

gweilo8888: So I repeat: anybody who dreams of immortality is a selfish farkstick. You're born, you die. Live the bit in between, and stop expecting it to last forever.


That's OK. I'd be willing to put up with being called a selfish farkstick if I could get immortality.
 
2013-01-12 01:35:48 AM

twistofsin: Anyone who is immortal is obviously a vampire, therefore their very existence is a tax on the population! Duh!


Addicted to Being Human, so getting a kick out of this reply.
 
2013-01-12 01:37:29 AM
Scientists are now reading every letter of her DNA to determine what may have caused the condition.

Let me help you with that:

GACT

problem solved.
 
2013-01-12 01:37:54 AM

Skyrmion: gweilo8888: So I repeat: anybody who dreams of immortality is a selfish farkstick. You're born, you die. Live the bit in between, and stop expecting it to last forever.

That's OK. I'd be willing to put up with being called a selfish farkstick if I could get immortality.


Honestly, I think it would be horrible and unnatural. I'm comfortable with the fact that every life has to come to an end at some point. I like Albus Dumbledore's philosophy- that to the well ordered mind, death is nothing but the next great adventure.
 
2013-01-12 01:37:57 AM
when i was in the 8th grade i remember a 6th grader who didn't grow much more than a 11 year old but he was cognitive and smart. at the age of 11 he just stopped growing, i believe he died from complications before he made 9th grade.

the world evolves everyday. we ain't seen nothing yet
 
2013-01-12 01:38:16 AM

gweilo8888: I just don't like selfish people, and immortality is close to the most selfish thing anybody could possibly ask for.


I don't know... immortality seems as much a curse in reality, and the few who would ask for this are simply short sighted rather than selfish. I might compare this to a bodhisattva after a while, someone who delays this finality to assist the world.
 
2013-01-12 01:39:19 AM

Skyrmion: That's OK. I'd be willing to put up with being called a selfish farkstick if I could get immortality.


Even if you had to be this:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-12 01:40:23 AM

gweilo8888: You're born, you die. Live the bit in between, and stop expecting it to last forever.


who wants it to last forever? other than highlander?
 
2013-01-12 01:40:52 AM

Skyrmion: gweilo8888: So I repeat: anybody who dreams of immortality is a selfish farkstick. You're born, you die. Live the bit in between, and stop expecting it to last forever.

That's OK. I'd be willing to put up with being called a selfish farkstick if I could get immortality.


Ah, but would you be willing to put up with it forever?

Actually, anybody asking for immortality -- assuming they couldn't still end their own life, anyway -- hasn't thought it through even slightly. I'd imagine by your 500th full joint replacement, things would start to get rather tedious. And not being able to remember 99% of your own life. And dealing with the fact that technology had progressed so far that you simply couldn't understand how *anything* worked any more. (Ever seen a 60 or 70 year old struggling with a PC, which is little more than a typewriter on steroids, has been readily available for half their lives already, and developed alongside them where they had ample opportunity to learn as the tech progressed? Now imagine how well you're going to cope when dealing with the year 2500's technology.) And having watched thousands upon thousands of non-immortal friends and family come and go. Or alternatively, having had to deal with the overcrowding caused by all those other immortals if it became widely available.
 
2013-01-12 01:41:27 AM

gweilo8888: Lsherm: Not unless her eyes get three inches closer together and she manages to grow another two inches between her cheekbones and forehead.

The young'in has a chance because her dad's features rounded out her face a little bit.

The young'in just isn't old enough to have developed the long face yet. I would put money on it happening. In fact, I'd put money on the panface's pics in younger days looking almost identical to the daughter.


I don't know, bone growth after the teenage years isn't that significant.  The mother has a markedly different facial structure than the daughter.  Plus, nothing is going to make the teenager's eyes grow obscenely close together like her mother.
 
2013-01-12 01:43:54 AM
She may be Immortal Babby, but at least she isn't a freak like those primordial dwarves/
 
2013-01-12 01:44:47 AM

Genevieve Marie: Honestly, I think it would be horrible and unnatural. I'm comfortable with the fact that every life has to come to an end at some point. I like Albus Dumbledore's philosophy- that to the well ordered mind, death is nothing but the next great adventure.


Frankly, that line only makes sense if you believe in life after death. And people who believe they already are literally immortal beings really have no standing to lecture anyone else on desiring immortality.

(I happen to be fond of the section in "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality" that deals precisely with the problems of Dumbledore's philosophy in this case.)
 
2013-01-12 01:45:48 AM

gweilo8888: BronyMedic: You must be a blast at parties.

Hah!

I just don't like selfish people, and immortality is close to the most selfish thing anybody could possibly ask for.


Driving a Hummer is way worse.

I'd love to be immortal. Eventually I would get tired of living, obviously, but the world is a very large place. I'm sure I could live several lifetimes at least without getting the least bit bored of it.
 
2013-01-12 01:47:28 AM

gweilo8888: Actually, anybody asking for immortality -- assuming they couldn't still end their own life, anyway -- hasn't thought it through even slightly. I'd imagine by your 500th full joint replacement, things would start to get rather tedious. And not being able to remember 99% of your own life. And dealing with the fact that technology had progressed so far that you simply couldn't understand how *anything* worked any more. (Ever seen a 60 or 70 year old struggling with a PC, which is little more than a typewriter on steroids, has been readily available for half their lives already, and developed alongside them where they had ample opportunity to learn as the tech progressed? Now imagine how well you're going to cope when dealing with the year 2500's technology.) And having watched thousands upon thousands of non-immortal friends and family come and go. Or alternatively, having had to deal with the overcrowding caused by all those other immortals if it became widely available.


Nah, I'm fine with all that.

However, drifting all alone in space for infinity years after the Sun burns itself out might get a little tiresome, I admit.
 
2013-01-12 01:48:42 AM

Skyrmion: Nah, I'm fine with all that.

However, drifting all alone in space for infinity years after the Sun burns itself out might get a little tiresome, I admit.


th03.deviantart.net

Wheatley agrees with you.
 
2013-01-12 01:50:28 AM

Jument: gweilo8888: BronyMedic: You must be a blast at parties.

Hah!

I just don't like selfish people, and immortality is close to the most selfish thing anybody could possibly ask for.

Driving a Hummer is way worse.

I'd love to be immortal. Eventually I would get tired of living, obviously, but the world is a very large place. I'm sure I could live several lifetimes at least without getting the least bit bored of it.


Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name.
 
2013-01-12 01:51:20 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: fusillade762: No one bit on the "curing gay" troll. I'm proud of you Farkers.

But it would be a chance to cure breederism. If everyone was gay, there would be world peace, no hunger, no disease and no poverty. Cum-by-ya.


Cause there would be no more people.
 
2013-01-12 01:56:29 AM

gweilo8888: And dealing with the fact that technology had progressed so far that you simply couldn't understand how *anything* worked any more. (Ever seen a 60 or 70 year old struggling with a PC, which is little more than a typewriter on steroids, has been readily available for half their lives already, and developed alongside them where they had ample opportunity to learn as the tech progressed? Now imagine how well you're going to cope when dealing with the year 2500's technology.)


And this is quite an aside, but I think the idea that "old people don't understand technology" is an illusion caused by a particular turn-of-the-millenium perspective, rather than something that's true of humanity in general.

For most Farkers reading this post, I suspect the line, "You know more about computers than your parents. You will know more about computers than your children." will be closer to the truth.
 
2013-01-12 02:03:59 AM
I once worked with a girl with a similar, though much less extreme, condition.  She was also about 20, maybe 22, but she looked like she was maybe 12.  The first time I saw her I assumed she was a kid who'd come to work with one of her parents.  No mental issues, though, like this girl.  From what I understand, she was just like anyone else, except that she looked like she was in middle school.
 
2013-01-12 02:16:11 AM
That poor girl.
 
2013-01-12 02:17:27 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Jument: gweilo8888: BronyMedic: You must be a blast at parties.

Hah!

I just don't like selfish people, and immortality is close to the most selfish thing anybody could possibly ask for.

Driving a Hummer is way worse.

I'd love to be immortal. Eventually I would get tired of living, obviously, but the world is a very large place. I'm sure I could live several lifetimes at least without getting the least bit bored of it.

Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name.


Yes?
 
2013-01-12 02:20:28 AM

skylabdown: OMG...... journalism is so dead.

#1: Is she mentally a 20-year old? Or does she have diminished capacity?
#2: Is she not aging at all? IE: has she experienced puberty? Has she gotten adult teeth?

Can anyone write an article that answers BASIC questions anymore? WTF?


Hey Dumb ass,

What part of

"Despite her increasing age, Brooke has remained physically and cognitively similar to a toddler, with an estimated mental age of nine months to one year."

... do you not understand?
 
2013-01-12 02:38:49 AM

RedVentrue: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: fusillade762: No one bit on the "curing gay" troll. I'm proud of you Farkers.

But it would be a chance to cure breederism. If everyone was gay, there would be world peace, no hunger, no disease and no poverty. Cum-by-ya.

Cause there would be no more people.


d.gr-assets.com
 
2013-01-12 02:40:28 AM

gweilo8888: BronyMedic: You must be a blast at parties.

Hah!

I just don't like selfish people, and immortality is close to the most selfish thing anybody could possibly ask for.


That sounds like an extremely selfish attitude. Why would you be so selfish in your opinions as to deny others their chance at extended life?

(You're a walking contradiction, bucko.)
 
2013-01-12 02:43:59 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: gweilo8888: BronyMedic: You must be a blast at parties.

Hah!

I just don't like selfish people, and immortality is close to the most selfish thing anybody could possibly ask for.

That sounds like an extremely selfish attitude. Why would you be so selfish in your opinions as to deny others their chance at extended life?

(You're a walking contradiction, bucko.)


He's all about the greater good!

kencourse.com
 
2013-01-12 02:47:04 AM

Skyrmion: And this is quite an aside, but I think the idea that "old people don't understand technology" is an illusion caused by a particular turn-of-the-millenium perspective, rather than something that's true of humanity in general.

For most Farkers reading this post, I suspect the line, "You know more about computers than your parents. You will know more about computers than your children." will be closer to the truth.


It's only recently that technology has progressed at the rate it is now doing. We went from the first commercial telephone exchange to Motorola's Iridium in only about 120 years. And there were a huge number of people who were around for both the first manned flight, all of which happened in the span of just 65 years, 7 months, 5 days. We went from ENIAC to the Cray Titan in a similarly swift 66 years. At no point in history has technology progressed as quickly as it has in our lifetimes, and that technology is in itself allowing the rate of technological change to continue accelerating.

I don't think it's so much a turn-of-the-millennium perspective, as the first time we've had a perspective of how people cope with this speed of change. My parents are now at the point where the rate of change is simply too fast for them, and they struggle to adapt even though they're in fine health and with all their mental faculties intact. Yet my father is an intelligent man who was very tech-literate in his day, and our family thanks to him was among the first in our circle to have things like a home computer (Commodore VIC 20, followed by an Apple II, Apple IIe, and then into PCs), a modem (well, an acoustic coupler, actually), a portable TV (Sinclair Microvision), you name it, we had it and almost invariably were first on the block to do so.

I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption that we younger folk will struggle just as much as our parents did when we reach their age, if not more so because technology may be progressing even faster then.
 
2013-01-12 02:49:19 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: That sounds like an extremely selfish attitude. Why would you be so selfish in your opinions as to deny others their chance at extended life?

(You're a walking contradiction, bucko.)


Yeah, no. Nice try though. It's not selfish to place the needs of the entire population over those of one specific individual. And the entire population is 100% definitely not served by immortality, when it already suffers extreme overcrowding and insufficient food without immortality.
 
2013-01-12 02:52:53 AM

GreenSun: What if she has the DNA for immortality? If we could just reconfigure the DNA after studying what she has and tune it to our "best age", wouldn't that be great? Forever 20, 25, or even 30 years old with a beautiful body and a sharp mind!


Dokuro-chan bless this thread.
 
2013-01-12 03:04:44 AM

gweilo8888: Skyrmion: gweilo8888: So I repeat: anybody who dreams of immortality is a selfish farkstick. You're born, you die. Live the bit in between, and stop expecting it to last forever.

That's OK. I'd be willing to put up with being called a selfish farkstick if I could get immortality.

Ah, but would you be willing to put up with it forever?

Actually, anybody asking for immortality -- assuming they couldn't still end their own life, anyway -- hasn't thought it through even slightly. I'd imagine by your 500th full joint replacement, things would start to get rather tedious. And not being able to remember 99% of your own life. And dealing with the fact that technology had progressed so far that you simply couldn't understand how *anything* worked any more. (Ever seen a 60 or 70 year old struggling with a PC, which is little more than a typewriter on steroids, has been readily available for half their lives already, and developed alongside them where they had ample opportunity to learn as the tech progressed? Now imagine how well you're going to cope when dealing with the year 2500's technology.) And having watched thousands upon thousands of non-immortal friends and family come and go. Or alternatively, having had to deal with the overcrowding caused by all those other immortals if it became widely available.


Holymarymotherofgod, you ARE a moron. How old are you? Are you 12? By the time immortality arrives, the relatively "simple" body fixes will have been long mastered. Cloned parts, cyber parts, perhaps entire cloned bodies, And anyone who needs 500 full joint replacements will not be buying the quality stuff. Memories? There are some things I'd rather forget. And, by that time, selective memory wipes will probably be available. As for memory retention, by the time they get to the immortality phase, there will be wetware biochips (the next step after silicone reaches Moore's Limit) where we can store all the extraneous memories we want to warehouse, but not be constantly bothered with. Stupid, ignorant old people? You pretentious twat! I'm 63 and deal with a PC just fine. And I know an 76 year old that could probably hack into your mental health record in 15 minutes and change it to read "sane." What? You think 150 and 300 year old people will be sitting in assisted living homes? I don't think so. They'll be inventing much of the technology you pretentiously think they can't understand. Dealing with non-immortal death? Immortality must be UNIVERSAL. You want a real farking revolution? Try doling out immortality to only a select few! Overcrowding? Bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat. You could pile all of humanity, standing, into an area the size of Rhode Island. There's lot's of room on Earth, it's just that much of it is not available due to power hungry asshole dictators and pretentious elitist douchebags who want to preserve the "pristine wilderness" from the Unwashed Masses.
 
2013-01-12 03:05:44 AM

BronyMedic: EngineerAU: It wouldn't be the first time a parent denied treatment for a child's disability just so they'd remain emotionally attached.

Reminds me of the case of Ashley X in 1997, where the parents of a developmentally disabled paid a doctor cash under the table to amputate her developing breasts, and remove her uterus and fallopian tubes so she'd never reach sexual maturity and never have any growth spurts during puberty. Even the hospital later admitted the surgery was illegal at the time, and should not have been done or allowed without a court order. The parents did so so that Ashley would remain a child-sized girl for her entire life, their "pillow angel"

Encyclopedia Dramatica has a far less tactful telling of the story. (NSFW)


I remember that, and I still don't know what side of the argument I fall on.  She had the mentality of an infant, was immobile, and needed care 24/7.  Even doctors can't agree on whether or not it was a good idea.

I'm assuming you disapprove since you used the term "under the table" to describe how her parents paid for the procedure, which isn't exactly true.  Insurance wouldn't pay for it, the doctor that performed the surgery thought it was beneficial, and he was paid a pittance by the parents to perform the surgery.  He died thinking he did the right thing.  So will the parents.  You also attribute her parent's reasoning to making sure they had a little girl for life, which is absolute bullshiat.  They had very real concerns about caring for their veggie daughter for the rest of her life.

And I cannot believe I've never been to Encyclopedia Dramatica before, but I know what I'm doing for the rest of the weekend!
 
2013-01-12 03:06:08 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: gweilo8888: Skyrmion: gweilo8888: So I repeat: anybody who dreams of immortality is a selfish farkstick. You're born, you die. Live the bit in between, and stop expecting it to last forever.

That's OK. I'd be willing to put up with being called a selfish farkstick if I could get immortality.

Ah, but would you be willing to put up with it forever?

Actually, anybody asking for immortality -- assuming they couldn't still end their own life, anyway -- hasn't thought it through even slightly. I'd imagine by your 500th full joint replacement, things would start to get rather tedious. And not being able to remember 99% of your own life. And dealing with the fact that technology had progressed so far that you simply couldn't understand how *anything* worked any more. (Ever seen a 60 or 70 year old struggling with a PC, which is little more than a typewriter on steroids, has been readily available for half their lives already, and developed alongside them where they had ample opportunity to learn as the tech progressed? Now imagine how well you're going to cope when dealing with the year 2500's technology.) And having watched thousands upon thousands of non-immortal friends and family come and go. Or alternatively, having had to deal with the overcrowding caused by all those other immortals if it became widely available.

Holymarymotherofgod, you ARE a moron. How old are you? Are you 12? By the time immortality arrives, the relatively "simple" body fixes will have been long mastered. Cloned parts, cyber parts, perhaps entire cloned bodies, And anyone who needs 500 full joint replacements will not be buying the quality stuff. Memories? There are some things I'd rather forget. And, by that time, selective memory wipes will probably be available. As for memory retention, by the time they get to the immortality phase, there will be wetware biochips (the next step after silicone reaches Moore's Limit) where we can store all the extraneous memories we want to warehouse, but not ...


Eeeeeasy there Pop. We got a nice little tube of sleepy time juice for you.....

craphound.com
 
2013-01-12 03:11:24 AM

gweilo8888: It's only recently that technology has progressed at the rate it is now doing. We went from the first commercial telephone exchange to Motorola's Iridium in only about 120 years. And there were a huge number of people who were around for both the first manned flight, all of which happened in the span of just 65 years, 7 months, 5 days. We went from ENIAC to the Cray Titan in a similarly swift 66 years. At no point in history has technology progressed as quickly as it has in our lifetimes, and that technology is in itself allowing the rate of technological change to continue accelerating.


Well, we're necessarily talking in generalities here, but I have to disagree. I think technology is decelerating, not accelerating. "Peak technology" probably happened sometime in the first half of the 20th century (well before my own lifetime). Think about transportation: we went from horse-and-buggy to walking on the moon in the span of 1880 to 1970, but in the 42 years since then... not so much. Hardly an exponential curve. And we may never make as big a medical breakthrough as we did when antibiotics were discovered.
 
2013-01-12 03:15:03 AM

Lsherm: I remember that, and I still don't know what side of the argument I fall on. She had the mentality of an infant, was immobile, and needed care 24/7. Even doctors can't agree on whether or not it was a good idea.

I'm assuming you disapprove since you used the term "under the table" to describe how her parents paid for the procedure, which isn't exactly true. Insurance wouldn't pay for it, the doctor that performed the surgery thought it was beneficial, and he was paid a pittance by the parents to perform the surgery. He died thinking he did the right thing. So will the parents. You also attribute her parent's reasoning to making sure they had a little girl for life, which is absolute bullshiat. They had very real concerns about caring for their veggie daughter for the rest of her life.


Yea, I'm not sure how I feel about it either. On the one hand, I understand why disability rights advocates came out against the procedure- that's a really invasive surgery and since Ashley was unable to give consent on something that permanently altered her body, it was definitely a little bit ethically murky. But on the other hand... caring for someone in that state is incredibly difficult and demanding. I understand why her parents were concerned about being able to care for her as she grew, and why menstruation would present a challenge for them as far as caring for her.

Being totally responsible for someone else, down to taking care of all their bodily functions is tough. When I was a teenager, I worked for an overnight camp for people with cerebral palsy, and some of the campers were very disabled. I took care of one adult that needed a feeding tube and diapers. It was hard to even deal with for a week or two... doing it for 40 or 50 years would be a huge burden. I can't really blame the parents for trying to ease that burden a little.
 
2013-01-12 03:20:12 AM

gweilo8888: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: That sounds like an extremely selfish attitude. Why would you be so selfish in your opinions as to deny others their chance at extended life?

(You're a walking contradiction, bucko.)

Yeah, no. Nice try though. It's not selfish to place the needs of the entire population over those of one specific individual. And the entire population is 100% definitely not served by immortality, when it already suffers extreme overcrowding and insufficient food without immortality.


Bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat bullshiat and bullshiat.

Extreme overcrowding? Really? You could pile all of humanity, standing, into an area the size of Rhode Island. There's lot's of room on Earth, it's just that much of it is not available due to power hungry asshole dictators and pretentious elitist douchebags (I suspect much like yourself) who want to preserve the "pristine wilderness" from the Unwashed Masses. Starvation? There's PLENTY of food. Except that the dictators of 3rd world nations steal it, sell it, or hold it back to use as political leverage. I'm homeless. DO YOU HAVE ANY FARKING CONCEPT OF HOW MUCH FOOD IS THROWN AWAY IN THIS COUNTRY DUE TO STUPIDLY INSANE HEALTH LAWS? I do. I see it every farking day. Tons and tons of food. A Mega-Walmart here in OC throws out one dumpster of food every farking day. They give another 1 to 2 dumpsters, every day, to 2nd Harvest. ONE STORE! 3 times a week, an outfit called Fresh Rescue hits 5 to 10 stores and picks up pallets and pallets of dated bread, cartons of eggs, meats (sausage, steaks, ribs, hot dogs), cakes, brownies, cookies, milk and yogurt, boxes of bananas, and hundreds of pounds of produce. It's all given out for free to the poor and homeless. Guess what? They have to throw out anywhere from 50 to 200 loaves of bread each of those 3 days because NO ONE WANTS IT; THERE'S TOO FARKING MUCH BREAD. One of the guys takes it all, plus any other items, to a local chicken ranch for feed (chickens will eat anything).

end rant.
 
2013-01-12 03:24:49 AM
I'm off to bed. If I see any more sanctimonious drooling idiocy from gweilo8888 I'm going to go postal. and then my wife would have to slap my ass into line. G'night.
 
2013-01-12 03:27:16 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Holymarymotherofgod, you ARE a moron. How old are you? Are you 12? By the time immortality arrives, the relatively "simple" body fixes will have been long mastered.


Oh, OK. You're that sort of person. The idiot who believes he can see the future, and the future is perfect. The past has a habit of showing that world view to be utterly wrong.

Buh-bye now. You're on ignore.
 
2013-01-12 03:30:50 AM

gweilo8888: Oh, OK. You're that sort of person. The idiot who believes he can see the future, and the future is perfect. The past has a habit of showing that world view to be utterly wrong.

Buh-bye now. You're on ignore.


disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com

You do know he was doing a spentmiles or Mike_LoWell on you, right?
 
2013-01-12 03:35:05 AM
the question is even with science did the person have a chance? we may never know. if we studied her genes? aren't we at the point we study most all life born on this planet?
 
2013-01-12 03:40:00 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Extreme overcrowding? Really? You could pile all of humanity, standing, into an area the size of Rhode Island.


Know how I know you're full of shiat?
 
2013-01-12 03:41:19 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: and then my wife would have to slap my ass into line.


Oh please oh please come back and post again. And then get video of your wife slapping you into submission.
 
2013-01-12 03:47:08 AM

Skyrmion: gweilo8888: It's only recently that technology has progressed at the rate it is now doing. We went from the first commercial telephone exchange to Motorola's Iridium in only about 120 years. And there were a huge number of people who were around for both the first manned flight, all of which happened in the span of just 65 years, 7 months, 5 days. We went from ENIAC to the Cray Titan in a similarly swift 66 years. At no point in history has technology progressed as quickly as it has in our lifetimes, and that technology is in itself allowing the rate of technological change to continue accelerating.

Well, we're necessarily talking in generalities here, but I have to disagree. I think technology is decelerating, not accelerating. "Peak technology" probably happened sometime in the first half of the 20th century (well before my own lifetime). Think about transportation: we went from horse-and-buggy to walking on the moon in the span of 1880 to 1970, but in the 42 years since then... not so much. Hardly an exponential curve. And we may never make as big a medical breakthrough as we did when antibiotics were discovered.


On that one front -- human space flight -- yes, I'd agree that we have stopped and in fact gone significantly backwards. But we've also gone from walking on the moon to analyzing and understanding rocks on mars, and we're on the verge of the first ever manmade object leaving our own solar system. And that's even despite funding for these projects not being what it was when the space race was at its peak. (Because really, we were doing the whole thing for a bit of chest-bashing propaganda, more than we were doing it for the science.)

And on other fronts, that technology continues to soar. Take a minute to think of the capabilities of all the gadgets in your house, and try to think of them in the light you would've when you were a teenager. (Assuming you're at least in your late 30s, anyway. Otherwise I'm not surprised you'd not think we're progressing all that fast, because you wouldn't have the experience to really give you a sense of that progress.) And that's just what we have on a consumer level. We would appear, perhaps, to have found the Higgs Boson. Within the next decade or so we're expected to have not just one, but quite possibly multiple skyscrapers that are more than a mile tall. Average members of the public treat international travel as almost completely routine. We can go from the first cases of a potential pandemic like SARS to the virus being identified, treatments developed, and the outbreak contained in just a matter of months. We've got full facial transplants happening. A doctor in New York can perform an operation on you when you're on the other side of the world. We can clone animals, and we can change their physical attributes by fiddling with their DNA. And we've connected most of the population of the developed world so that, almost without regard to where they are and what time of day it is, they can transfer pretty-much any data between each other quickly and reliably, with tools that are cheap and affordable.

And that's just a random blain splatter of what's out there. Are there areas where we lag? Sure. Largely, they're areas where nobody has yet figured out a commercial justification for development. But development goes on all around us, and the world changes at stunning speed, whether we realize it as its happening or not.
 
2013-01-12 03:48:13 AM

BronyMedic: You do know he was doing a spentmiles or Mike_LoWell on you, right?


Oh, I'm sure he was trolling, whether he was trolling through idiocy or on purpose. That's half of why I put him on ignore. No idea who either of those are, though.
 
2013-01-12 03:49:56 AM
(And I should also add that I only bothered to read as far as I quoted in his post before ignoring him, if he went on to out himself.)
 
2013-01-12 03:55:25 AM
Maybe she was born on February 29th.
 
2013-01-12 04:00:50 AM

gweilo8888: On that one front -- human....


And then he went on to give me a complete and rather amazing boner for humanity. Thanks gweilo8888.
 
2013-01-12 04:01:05 AM
"If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

Well fark you you selfish prick! she sure as hell is broken, and it doesn't matter how much you love her... You have no right to deny her a normal life just because it comes in pill form and you are feeling self righteous indignation at the thought...
 
2013-01-12 04:02:31 AM

Acharne: And then he went on to give me a complete and rather amazing boner for humanity. Thanks gweilo8888.


You're welcome. I think.

Keep that thing away from me. ;-)
 
2013-01-12 04:21:57 AM

gweilo8888: And the entire population is 100% definitely not served by immortality, when it already suffers extreme overcrowding and insufficient food without immortality.


A world without immortality suffers extreme overcrowding and insufficient food, so humanity would not be well-served by immortality*? No, that doesn't follow.

Current conditions, including the resource-distribution problems that you mention, are a product of human activity which is predicated upon our understanding of human mortality. A radical change to the human lifespan could reasonably be expected to radically change human behavior as well.

Human reproduction, for just one example, is key to the problems that you have identified, and known to be quite sensitive to cultural changes which are much less severe than a sudden halt to millions of years of limited lifespans. It is unconvincing to assume that current trends would continue (for long) after the introduction of immortality.

*I'm taking immortality to mean an indefinitely extended natural lifespan, not that death is impossible
 
2013-01-12 04:33:54 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: gweilo8888: And the entire population is 100% definitely not served by immortality, when it already suffers extreme overcrowding and insufficient food without immortality.

A world without immortality suffers extreme overcrowding and insufficient food, so humanity would not be well-served by immortality*? No, that doesn't follow.

Current conditions, including the resource-distribution problems that you mention, are a product of human activity which is predicated upon our understanding of human mortality. A radical change to the human lifespan could reasonably be expected to radically change human behavior as well.

Human reproduction, for just one example, is key to the problems that you have identified, and known to be quite sensitive to cultural changes which are much less severe than a sudden halt to millions of years of limited lifespans. It is unconvincing to assume that current trends would continue (for long) after the introduction of immortality.

*I'm taking immortality to mean an indefinitely extended natural lifespan, not that death is impossible


So now you're either saying that people will stop farking and having babies because they're immortal (that seems rather unlikely, because people like to fark, people are lazy about birth control, and a lot of people are going to find life less fulfilling if they never have a kid of their own), or that people are going to stop eating and occupying space. Which is it?

Those are the only options that don't increase population (and thereby, strain on space to live, food to eat, and space to grow the food to eat), while having immortals present.

If people live longer, and the total number of people living doesn't go down, the number of people living at any one moment in time goes up. It's simple. And if the number of people living goes up, the amount of food and materials they consume goes up, along with the space required to grow the food and grow / mine the materials, and the pollution generated in growing / mining it all. And as the number of people alive at any moment in time goes up, the space per person goes down even before you consider that the extra space for farming, mining, manufacturing, etc. means there's actually even less space than ever for accommodation.

So go on... How do you propose this is fixed. Less farking, clearly. So we're doing what -- one child per couple like China? Forced sterilizations? What's the grand plan here, because people are going to continue to fark like bunnies, and there are going to be more offspring than ever to deal with.
 
2013-01-12 04:54:34 AM

Fano: EngineerAU: megalynn44: ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

Came to say this

It wouldn't be the first time a parent denied treatment for a child's disability just so they'd remain emotionally attached. A few years back there was a case of a deaf child who could have regained its hearing through a surgery but the mother, who was also deaf, didn't want her kid to be able to hear because the child would no longer be part of the deaf community that the mother felt was superior to the rest of society.

If only Killer Croc had a rock. A really big rock.


I need a rock/ I mean a Big-Ass Rock/ Or maybe spmething like a cin-der block/To help you...
 
2013-01-12 04:55:10 AM
EvilEgg:

Nobody else answered you so I guess I will. Did you honestly just conflate homosexuality with... whatever it is this woman has?
 
2013-01-12 05:00:47 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: fusillade762: No one bit on the "curing gay" troll. I'm proud of you Farkers.

But it would be a chance to cure breederism. If everyone was gay, there would be world peace, no hunger, no disease and no poverty. Cum-by-ya.


But absolutely everyone would have crabs.
 
2013-01-12 05:32:27 AM

BarkingUnicorn: namegoeshere: There is one girl on a commercial for home health care services here that has something similar. She looks about 9 months old, is the size of an infant, but on the commercial she's on the computer, purposely manipulating the mouse and reading something. She has a breathng tube and glasses. They don't say an age or the name of her condition, just how happy they are that Home Health Care allows her to live at home full time.

Could be a precocious baby.


sounds like primordial dwarfism. Some of them function very highly.
 
2013-01-12 06:47:53 AM

ArkAngel:  "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.


Her Mother gets off on being a martyr.
 
2013-01-12 07:43:35 AM
Would be awesome if 100 years from now, she looks 20 years ago.
 
2013-01-12 07:45:45 AM

Darth_Lukecash: namegoeshere: Darth_Lukecash: Whatever this kid is missing, may hold the key to immortality.

We do all get, don't we, that this would be a really, really bad thing?

Hell, even making the majority of us reach 100 would seriously fark the human race.

My nine year old had the immortality discussion in school today. Ethics in the fourth grade - I like it.

There is no such thing as immortality. Just unusually long life spans.


Indeed.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-12 07:49:20 AM
Harlan Ellison had his take on this...

Jeffty is Five

// it's in the collection "Shatterday"
 
2013-01-12 07:52:06 AM
They need to find a way to target this genetically at age 25. They'd be billionaires over night.
 
2013-01-12 09:39:31 AM
Vangor:

That would probably hit most people at first. But it comes down to this in the end - Would you rather have 30 years of cognitive awareness and all of the possibilities that come with that, or 50 years of cognitative nothingness?

There are people who die before they hit 30 from natural diseases everywhere. There are people who are born in a such a way that they will never experience "old age". This is no different, in our hypothetical cure scenario, although a different version of that. It's an awful situation. But if you can get outside your self for a moment and see the forest through the trees, it's a salvageable situation. And I'm aware that doing do is much easier said than done for most.
 
2013-01-12 09:50:47 AM

BronyMedic: EngineerAU: It wouldn't be the first time a parent denied treatment for a child's disability just so they'd remain emotionally attached.

Reminds me of the case of Ashley X in 1997, where the parents of a developmentally disabled paid a doctor cash under the table to amputate her developing breasts, and remove her uterus and fallopian tubes so she'd never reach sexual maturity and never have any growth spurts during puberty. Even the hospital later admitted the surgery was illegal at the time, and should not have been done or allowed without a court order. The parents did so so that Ashley would remain a child-sized girl for her entire life, their "pillow angel"

Encyclopedia Dramatica has a far less tactful telling of the story. (NSFW)


Hi, sorry I'm late. Traffic was a biatch.

The parents did it because puberty in such a profoundly disabled person is generally more trouble than it's worth, and it's easier for everyone, including the patient, if we skip that part and go right to adulthood. From TFA you linked:

" the weight of these concerns is not sufficient to consider the interventions used in Ashley's case to be contrary to her best interests, nor are they sufficient to preclude similar use of these interventions in the future for carefully selected patients who might also benefit from them."

Later, medical ethicists agreed that this procedure wasn't necessarily a bad idea, but it would've been really nice if someone had asked the patient about it first.
 
2013-01-12 09:55:23 AM

OgreMagi: She's not broke

BULLSHIAT.  Why do parents of special needs children insist on saying this.  Yes, she is broke.  There's something wrong with her and you are a horrible person if you would turn down a chance to fix her.


Give them a break. What the fark else you going to say? It's their way of coping.
 
2013-01-12 10:52:34 AM

timujin: I once worked with a girl with a similar, though much less extreme, condition.  She was also about 20, maybe 22, but she looked like she was maybe 12.  The first time I saw her I assumed she was a kid who'd come to work with one of her parents.  No mental issues, though, like this girl.  From what I understand, she was just like anyone else, except that she looked like she was in middle school.


Being Asian is not a "condition".
 
2013-01-12 11:34:51 AM
What I don't get: she developed normally until the age of 4-5, but now has to wear diapers and be tube fed. Kids at that developmental stage are beyond diapers and liquid food. WTF?
 
2013-01-12 11:49:02 AM

Nestchick: What I don't get: she developed normally until the age of 4-5, but now has to wear diapers and be tube fed. Kids at that developmental stage are beyond diapers and liquid food. WTF?


Mental development stopped earlier.
 
2013-01-12 11:58:52 AM

gweilo8888: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Holymarymotherofgod, you ARE a moron. How old are you? Are you 12? By the time immortality arrives, the relatively "simple" body fixes will have been long mastered.

Oh, OK. You're that sort of person. The idiot who believes he can see the future, and the future is perfect. The past has a habit of showing that world view to be utterly wrong.

Buh-bye now. You're on ignore.


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2013-01-12 12:29:45 PM

BronyMedic: Skyrmion: Nah, I'm fine with all that.

However, drifting all alone in space for infinity years after the Sun burns itself out might get a little tiresome, I admit.

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Wheatley agrees with you.


I can't believe I'm correcting this, but I can't help myself...

You posted a picture of the Space Core, who most emphatically would not agree that floating in space ever gets tiresome... This is Wheatley:

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2013-01-12 01:07:52 PM

maddogdelta: Harlan Ellison had his take on this...

Jeffty is Five

// it's in the collection "Shatterday"


Good Lord, this far into the thread before someone posts a Jeffty is Five comment?

Fark is slipping.
 
2013-01-12 01:35:34 PM
gweilo8888:
And on other fronts, that technology continues to soar. Take a minute to think of the capabilities of all the gadgets in your house, and try to think of them in the light you would've when you were a teenager. (Assuming you're at least in your late 30s, anyway...

Remember, I'm not arguing that progress has stopped, only that it is generally slowing. I admit that there are a couple very specific technologies related to computing and communications (transistors per unit area on a chip, and bits per second down a fiber) that are exceptions. Certainly, my computer and my cell phone would certainly be impressive to someone in 1985, although even there, they wouldn't be completely unrecognizable. It's not quite like showing an airplane or a television or a recorded voice to someone who hasn't seen those things before.

Finding the Higgs is cool and all, but progress in the natural sciences has slowed substantially as well; the low-hanging fruit has been picked. The 80-year period from 1850 to 1930 gave us an understanding of thermodynamics, electricity and magnetism, the periodic table, special relativity, general relativity, and quantum mechanics. The last 80 years would be much leaner pickings (with all of the biggest discoveries (DNA, the laser, nuclear physics) heavily weighted towards the early end). And this is with far far more time and money being devoted to the study of science. If anything is growing exponentially, it's "effort per discovery".
 
2013-01-12 01:59:17 PM

EvilEgg: serpent_sky: ArkAngel: "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

I don't know if she is a "terrible" person, but I can't understand why she wouldn't want her child to have a more normal life and not have a mystery condition that has kept her in the body of a 4-year-old for 16 years, being fed through a tube.  Perhaps she is resigned to the situation and knows there isn't a magical pill coming, and that's how she deals with such a difficult thing.  I suspect if that personal really did come knocking with a pill, she'd absolutely take it for her daughter.

If a mythical pill to "cure" homosexuality existed would it be horrible to turn that down for your kid? They have a pretty rough time growing up. What about curing shortness? Do we all want to be average?


Well, no. But the rest of us can distinguish between 'a normal part of ourselves that should not, in a world where people are decent human beings, lead to problems, but does because people are assholes' and 'a disability that leaves you  unable to learn to shiat on a toilet or feed yourself'.

They are slightly different.
 
2013-01-12 03:19:27 PM
So old enough for nudie pics?

/wait, . . . what?
 
2013-01-12 03:21:27 PM

Fano: I say we cast her in a tv sitcom


...I didn't mean to


Yeah, yeah you did.

/Webster, Arnold Jackson, etc.
 
2013-01-12 04:02:26 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Extreme overcrowding? Really? You could pile all of humanity, standing, into an area the size of Rhode Island.

Know how I know you're full of shiat?


No, please tell me. Link
 
2013-01-12 04:04:21 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: and then my wife would have to slap my ass into line.

Oh please oh please come back and post again. And then get video of your wife slapping you into submission.


Sorry, people have to pay good money for that. Please leave your Mastercard of Visa number in a post, with your email address, and I'll mail it to you.
 
2013-01-12 04:20:52 PM
I feel really really bad. I hope she's happy regardless and gets lots of love from everyone. Poor little lady.
 
2013-01-12 04:25:42 PM

jaybeezey: They need to find a way to target this genetically at age 25. They'd be billionaires over night.


And then we can make it into a movie:

Link
 
2013-01-12 04:26:57 PM
fusillade762:

No one bit on the "curing gay" troll. I'm proud of you Farkers.

You mean like "curing bacon"?
 
2013-01-12 04:37:08 PM
RedVentrue:

Would you be willing to give up your reproductive capability in return for immortality?

Gladly! As long as that doesn't mean having to give up my male equipment and its non-reproductive functioning; I had a vasectomy a few years ago anyway. But I'm not sure I'd want to live forever in the shape I'm in, so if immortality means being a chubby old perv forever then forget it. As for giving up sex, it seems sex already gave me up.

There are all kinds of things I'd give up to have a body like I had at age 30 again. Except over-eating, boozing and all-around laziness.
 
2013-01-12 04:45:42 PM

gweilo8888: GreenSun:

What if she has the DNA for immortality? If we could just reconfigure the DNA after studying what she has and tune it to our "best age", wouldn't that be great? Forever 20, 25, or even 30 years old with a beautiful body and a sharp mind!

Because the world's not overcrowded enough. Now we need 250-year olds with the bodies of 25-year olds, competing for food, shelter and all the other resources we need with the real 25-year olds. And the 50-year old 25-year olds. And the 75-year old 25-year olds. And the 100-year... you get my point.


They just wouldn't die of old age, is all. They could still be killed. And eaten.


Anybody who lusts after immortality is not only an idiot, but is also one of the most selfish farksticks on the planet.

I'd rather have a redo, myself: go back to 14 and start over. Starting with "I don't really know everything I'll ever need to so staying in school is a good idea" and "sex & drugs & rock-n-roll is not all my brain & body need." At 14 I was taking university courses for fark's sake. And I was slender, hot enough to make out with 19 year old female sophomores who knew how old I was, etc. etc. etc. And now....
 
2013-01-12 05:01:43 PM
timujin:

I once worked with a girl with a similar, though much less extreme, condition.  She was also about 20, maybe 22, but she looked like she was maybe 12.

A "developing" 12 or a chest & butt like a stick-figure 12?


No mental issues, though, like this girl.

ITYM intellectual issues, IYKWIM.


From what I understand, she was just like anyone else, except that she looked like she was in middle school.

So she could have made a fortune in porn? Hmm.

How old would she be now?

The next obvious question woulds be 'Might she need a hungry ambitious celibate manager?' but the phrase "once worked with" implies contact lost long ago.

OTOH I once went to school with a 12 year old who looked around 18. In the face too, without makeup. I assumed she was an education student in middle school to observe. Also one of the smartest people who ever gave me the time of day: I should have listened when she told me the SLA were not heroes and Charlie Manson was not a good role model. But then she married someone who became a convicted killer (3rd degree, I think it wound up after 5 or 6 years in court) so she should have taken her own advice.
 
2013-01-12 05:04:11 PM

gweilo8888: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: That sounds like an extremely selfish attitude. Why would you be so selfish in your opinions as to deny others their chance at extended life?

(You're a walking contradiction, bucko.)

Yeah, no. Nice try though. It's not selfish to place the needs of the entire population over those of one specific individual. And the entire population is 100% definitely not served by immortality, when it already suffers extreme overcrowding and insufficient food without immortality.


We could eat the ugly people.

Um, I suppose I mean y'all could eat the ugly people. I'd be hiding in a cave system eating baby bats.
 
2013-01-12 05:09:14 PM

gweilo8888: Just Another OC Homeless Guy:

Holymarymotherofgod, you ARE a moron. How old are you? Are you 12? By the time immortality arrives, the relatively "simple" body fixes will have been long mastered.

Oh, OK. You're that sort of person. The idiot who believes he can see the future, and the future is perfect. The past has a habit of showing that world view to be utterly wrong.

Buh-bye now. You're on ignore.


You Ignore people for stuff like that? I thought I was thin-skinned.

For the record I think you're noth nuts: rather than a very long life we should be able to go back in time to just before our biggest mistake and think of something else. For one thing why did I prefer another 14 year old to a 19 year old college chick? She had her own car and she made more sense. Okay, so she wouldn't go all the way with a 14 year old kid, but it turned out I liked reciprocal better anyway.

36 years of non-idiocy would have been nice.
 
2013-01-12 05:22:00 PM

Nestchick: What I don't get: she developed normally until the age of 4-5, but now has to wear diapers and be tube fed. Kids at that developmental stage are beyond diapers and liquid food. WTF?


Her mental age is estimated to be between nine months to one year. That's probably why.
 
2013-01-12 06:46:02 PM
Skyrmion:

And we may never make as big a medical breakthrough as we did when antibiotics were discovered.

May we never make a mistake as big as we do when we create yet another treatment-proof bacterium. Or spread immunodeficiency viruses everywhere airplanes go, though that's not due to technology per se.

But I think further great strides are inevitable because of the kind of animal we are, and because, having farked up our planet's ecology by burning it up to create "the west," catch up with "the west" or continue "the west" we have no other choice. Like I said, because of the kind of animal we are: one that has no way to learn but by making horrible mistakes, and one that has been trying (and failing) to clean up its own messes for ~6k years.

It'd be neat to see what eventually evolves from H. sapiens though. Evolves naturally I mean, not through genetic manipulation, grafted robotics or environmental over-engineering. Positive eugenics might still be a bad idea unless most of us convert to Judaism of some kind: one reason the Jewish people often hated, say the haters, is their unfair intellectual advantage, or "Because they're smarter than we are!" Near as I can figure that's because certain segments of "world Jewry" long ago figured out how to make Nature and Nurture work together to produce a higher ratio of braininess than any other tribal grouping.

It's too bad they them got bogged down in six centuries of Talmudism and Kabala, but at least they retained the latent capacity to produce 22% of all Nobel Prize winners, for example; it's also too bad that so many of the Jewish people in "the West" diluted what made them so smart by breeding into and assimilating with the Gentile middle classes instead of following their ancient strategy of more or less selectively incorporating exceptional Gentiles and making sure they identify as Jews.

And speaking of "the West," we goyim are not grateful enough for this influx of intelligence that has cost so many Jews their very Jewishness: in America, at least to most non-White Gentiles, the Jews are just a very slightly different kind of White people -- one that might still value college for its educational aspects instead of its sports teams.

/* Albeit so they can marry silly shiksas like my ex-wife Becky Lynn: it turns out that guy did me a favor but did his lineage no good; at least I never looked at her as breeding stock and never considered giving up any major part of my way of life. We were clearly both desperate, and it's too bad for him that he already had "more money than [I'll] ever make and [was] well on the way to making much more." Believe it or not I haven't met many Jews in the past 40 years who were anywhere near as money-loving: it's hilarious that a stereotypical small-town cheerleader would leave me for somebody Geobbels could have written. */

Maybe it's a good idea for American Jewry to resume shunning those who marry Gentiles who don't convert (or at least join the Jewish ethnos) and raise their kids as Jews. It would really suck if the stock of Jacob became as degenerate as my own Scotch-Irish lineage, or worse disappeared altogether and deprived the rest of us. At least it's hard to imagine Israel becoming Idiocratic: maybe for the good of Western Civ I should be even more pro-Israel.

But anyway. It might be interesting if Israeli eugenics could have prevented this case this thread's discussing of one farked-up American Jewish girl. This might be a good time to see what they've been doing over in their desert.
 
2013-01-12 08:12:20 PM

Shirley Ujest: ArkAngel:  "If somebody knocked on the door right now and said, 'It's a guaranteed pill. Give this to Brooke and she'll be fixed,' well first I would say to him, 'She's not broken.' And B, I would say, 'Thank you, but no thank you," Howard said in a video filmed for the "Katie" show.

The mother is a terrible person.

Her Mother gets off on being a martyr.


I'm disabled. Spinal injury from a car accident. Chronic pain, mobility issues. I have to NOT think in those terms to stay sane. Maybe that's what her family does. They love her as she is. They cannot imagine, nor dare to imagine, a normal healthy daughter, one like her obviously sweet and lovely sister. So, they have to think that way to survive.

/ mind you, I make some wicked cripple jokes
// cripples tend to refer to each other as crips. This whole move to 'differently a led' sh...err, irks us.
/// I do not speak for the handicapped community. Just those with a specific humour.
 
2013-01-13 03:19:07 AM

The One True TheDavid:
[bizarre Jewish-eugenics rant posted by a guy calling himself The One True TheDavid]


Wow. After reading that, I don't know if I should applaud your work of performance art or back nervously away from the thread.
 
2013-01-13 03:21:00 AM

gweilo8888: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: gweilo8888: And the entire population is 100% definitely not served by immortality, when it already suffers extreme overcrowding and insufficient food without immortality.

A world without immortality suffers extreme overcrowding and insufficient food, so humanity would not be well-served by immortality*? No, that doesn't follow.

Current conditions, including the resource-distribution problems that you mention, are a product of human activity which is predicated upon our understanding of human mortality. A radical change to the human lifespan could reasonably be expected to radically change human behavior as well.

Human reproduction, for just one example, is key to the problems that you have identified, and known to be quite sensitive to cultural changes which are much less severe than a sudden halt to millions of years of limited lifespans. It is unconvincing to assume that current trends would continue (for long) after the introduction of immortality.

*I'm taking immortality to mean an indefinitely extended natural lifespan, not that death is impossible

So now you're either saying that people will stop farking and having babies because they're immortal (that seems rather unlikely, because people like to fark, people are lazy about birth control, and a lot of people are going to find life less fulfilling if they never have a kid of their own), or that people are going to stop eating and occupying space. Which is it?

Those are the only options that don't increase population (and thereby, strain on space to live, food to eat, and space to grow the food to eat), while having immortals present.

If people live longer, and the total number of people living doesn't go down, the number of people living at any one moment in time goes up. It's simple. And if the number of people living goes up, the amount of food and materials they consume goes up, along with the space required to grow the food and grow / mine the materials, and the pollution ge ...


Give people a choice. Immortality, or reproduction, but not both. Make the choice permanent.
 
2013-01-13 03:22:40 AM

The One True TheDavid: fusillade762:

No one bit on the "curing gay" troll. I'm proud of you Farkers.

You mean like "curing bacon"?


You must smoke the GAY out.
 
2013-01-13 03:25:04 AM

RedVentrue: Give people a choice. Immortality, or reproduction, but not both. Make the choice permanent.


Yes, don't make them temporarily immortal, or temporarily sterile.

/I keed
//I know what you mean really
 
2013-01-13 05:59:38 PM

Skyrmion: The One True TheDavid:

[bizarre Jewish-eugenics rant posted by a guy calling himself The One True TheDavid]

Wow. After reading that, I don't know if I should applaud your work of performance art or back nervously away from the thread.


What do you have against the Jews preserving themselves as a people? Or is it something else? Please explain the grounds for your reaction: I don't see why that post would give anybody cause to bring up "performance art" or to back away. In fact I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-01-13 06:01:33 PM

RedVentrue: The One True TheDavid: fusillade762:

No one bit on the "curing gay" troll. I'm proud of you Farkers.

You mean like "curing bacon"?

You must smoke the GAY out.


Gay is bone-deep. Heat only bakes it in better.
 
2013-01-15 12:20:24 AM
I wouldn't want to live forever, but I wouldn't mind living long enough to be cured of my PTSD and maybe living one normal lifetime.
 
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