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(Mother Jones)   Fresh off of his defense of legitimate rape, Rep Phil Gingrey doubles down on the derp by praising a local gun store for their business record. Fark: They've been successfully sued for illegal gun sales   (motherjones.com) divider line 77
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2013-01-11 02:32:36 PM
He's just trolling us now.
 
2013-01-11 02:51:06 PM
This is where you fake the stroke and step down with what little dignity you have left.
 
2013-01-11 05:07:12 PM
Successfully sued?
 
2013-01-11 05:31:46 PM
Thank god he didn't praise them as job creators
 
2013-01-11 05:49:10 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Thank god he didn't praise them as job creators


Bank job creators, maybe.
 
2013-01-11 05:55:35 PM

St_Francis_P: He's just trolling us now.


This. Derp never takes a day off.
 
2013-01-11 05:56:57 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Successfully sued?


The answer's in TFA
 
2013-01-11 06:18:36 PM
These guys have been sitting around pull their puds together so long they really believe the things they say.
 
2013-01-11 06:21:06 PM
Drink!
 
2013-01-11 06:28:34 PM

Lionel Mandrake: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Successfully sued?

The answer's in TFA


The TFA is on Mother Jones.

no thanks
 
2013-01-11 06:31:22 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lionel Mandrake: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Successfully sued?

The answer's in TFA

The TFA is on Mother Jones.

no thanks


I'm sure you have numerous examples of their factual errors.

Anyway, here's the answer: yes.
 
2013-01-11 06:32:14 PM
Oh, and I just clicked the link 5 times in your honor, Stealthy
 
2013-01-11 06:55:45 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: The TFA is on Mother Jones


Facts don't change based on your likes and dislikes in websites

/Fortunately
 
2013-01-11 07:00:21 PM
DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN

i566.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-11 07:00:26 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Successfully sued?


Yes. They were sued, and they were not able to defend their actions as lawful. Therefore, they lost their court case, and their opponents were successful. Conversely, they failed. I've heard this sort of thing happens from time-to-time.
 
2013-01-11 07:03:14 PM
stopped by a chamber to praise a business? How much do they contribute to his campaign?
 
2013-01-11 07:06:30 PM
"ATF has established that a very small percentage of retail gun dealers-about 1%-are responsible for approximately 57% of the illegally-possessed guns nationwide," the city explained in its lawsuit. "The Defendants are among this small group of gun dealers who arm illegal gun possessors. As such, the Defendants cause, contribute to and maintain a public nuisance within the City of New York."

Um. Uh. I don't even know where to start. Why aren't they going after straw buyers? Why is the business still open pending an investigation? The only way (if that stat is remotely true) the gov't came up with that number is to have a crapload of evidence.
 
2013-01-11 07:06:46 PM
You know Guns wouldnt be an issue if libs didnt keep bringing it up!
 
2013-01-11 07:10:24 PM

St_Francis_P: He's just trolling us now.


Is he, or is he doing exactly what plays well to roughly half of Americans?

The half that loved Romney's first debate. Lie loud, lie proud, and never address it if called out.

Hey that rhymes.
 
2013-01-11 07:11:38 PM

biyaaatci: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Successfully sued?

Yes. They were sued, and they were not able to defend their actions as lawful. Therefore, they lost their court case, and their opponents were successful. Conversely, they failed. I've heard this sort of thing happens from time-to-time.


Actually, they got a default judgement because they couldn't afford to defend themselves against NY City and they wanted to speed up the appeals process.  Then an appeals court threw out most of the decision, as mentioned in the article, but left the original default judgement in place because the plaintiff dropped their defense intentionally.
 
2013-01-11 07:13:19 PM

Smackledorfer: St_Francis_P: He's just trolling us now.

Is he, or is he doing exactly what plays well to roughly half of Americans?

The half that loved Romney's first debate. Lie loud, lie proud, and never address it if called out.

Hey that rhymes.


Half? More like 47%.
 
2013-01-11 07:13:49 PM

OregonVet: "ATF has established that a very small percentage of retail gun dealers-about 1%-are responsible for approximately 57% of the illegally-possessed guns nationwide," the city explained in its lawsuit. "The Defendants are among this small group of gun dealers who arm illegal gun possessors. As such, the Defendants cause, contribute to and maintain a public nuisance within the City of New York."

Um. Uh. I don't even know where to start. Why aren't they going after straw buyers? Why is the business still open pending an investigation? The only way (if that stat is remotely true) the gov't came up with that number is to have a crapload of evidence.


Resources?
Passes for first timers?

Arizona laws?
 
2013-01-11 07:15:30 PM

Smackledorfer: Resources?
Passes for first timers?

Arizona laws?


Sounds more like operation Last and Possibly Curious.
 
2013-01-11 07:16:06 PM

Smackledorfer: St_Francis_P: He's just trolling us now.

Is he, or is he doing exactly what plays well to roughly half of Americans?

The half that loved Romney's first debate. Lie loud, lie proud, and never address it if called out.

Hey that rhymes.


Something something Republican in the closet.
 
2013-01-11 07:17:02 PM

Lsherm: Actually, they got a default judgement because they couldn't afford to defend themselves against NY City and they wanted to speed up the appeals process.


Hmmm. Doesn't sound very bootstrappy.
 
2013-01-11 07:19:44 PM

Lsherm: biyaaatci: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Successfully sued?

Yes. They were sued, and they were not able to defend their actions as lawful. Therefore, they lost their court case, and their opponents were successful. Conversely, they failed. I've heard this sort of thing happens from time-to-time.

Actually, they got a default judgement because they couldn't afford to defend themselves against NY City and they wanted to speed up the appeals process.  Then an appeals court threw out most of the decision, as mentioned in the article, but left the original default judgement in place because the plaintiff dropped their defense intentionally.


Also - from your second link:

"Officials said more than 500 guns sold by the 'rogue' dealers -- whom Mayor Bloomberg called 'the worst of the worst' -- were recovered at local crime scenes, including the attempted murder of two cops in Queens and the fatal shooting of 3-year-old girl in Brooklyn."

Biatch was asking for it, amirite?
 
2013-01-11 07:21:44 PM

BMulligan: Lsherm: biyaaatci: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Successfully sued?

Yes. They were sued, and they were not able to defend their actions as lawful. Therefore, they lost their court case, and their opponents were successful. Conversely, they failed. I've heard this sort of thing happens from time-to-time.

Actually, they got a default judgement because they couldn't afford to defend themselves against NY City and they wanted to speed up the appeals process.  Then an appeals court threw out most of the decision, as mentioned in the article, but left the original default judgement in place because the plaintiff dropped their defense intentionally.

Also - from your second link:

"Officials said more than 500 guns sold by the 'rogue' dealers -- whom Mayor Bloomberg called 'the worst of the worst' -- were recovered at local crime scenes, including the attempted murder of two cops in Queens and the fatal shooting of 3-year-old girl in Brooklyn."

Biatch was asking for it, amirite?


The links are from the article you just read, moron.  Take it up with the blogger.
 
2013-01-11 07:24:38 PM

Lsherm: BMulligan: Lsherm: biyaaatci: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Successfully sued?

Yes. They were sued, and they were not able to defend their actions as lawful. Therefore, they lost their court case, and their opponents were successful. Conversely, they failed. I've heard this sort of thing happens from time-to-time.

Actually, they got a default judgement because they couldn't afford to defend themselves against NY City and they wanted to speed up the appeals process.  Then an appeals court threw out most of the decision, as mentioned in the article, but left the original default judgement in place because the plaintiff dropped their defense intentionally.

Also - from your second link:

"Officials said more than 500 guns sold by the 'rogue' dealers -- whom Mayor Bloomberg called 'the worst of the worst' -- were recovered at local crime scenes, including the attempted murder of two cops in Queens and the fatal shooting of 3-year-old girl in Brooklyn."

Biatch was asking for it, amirite?

The links are from the article you just read, moron.  Take it up with the blogger.


Oh, that makes it better, then.
 
2013-01-11 07:26:10 PM
We want to grab your guns before the next Adam Lanza does.

Trust me, your noisy playthings are safer under the steamroller than in your house.
 
2013-01-11 07:28:40 PM

Primum: We want to grab your guns before the next Adam Lanza does.

Trust me, your noisy playthings are safer under the steamroller than in your house.


Aren't you statistically more likely to die of a gunshot if you own a gun vs. not?
 
2013-01-11 07:30:03 PM
just came to check of the politics gun tab...
 
2013-01-11 07:34:49 PM

OregonVet: "ATF has established that a very small percentage of retail gun dealers-about 1%-are responsible for approximately 57% of the illegally-possessed guns nationwide," the city explained in its lawsuit. "The Defendants are among this small group of gun dealers who arm illegal gun possessors. As such, the Defendants cause, contribute to and maintain a public nuisance within the City of New York."

Um. Uh. I don't even know where to start. Why aren't they going after straw buyers? Why is the business still open pending an investigation? The only way (if that stat is remotely true) the gov't came up with that number is to have a crapload of evidence.


Oh man.

They (the ATF) are going after such businesses, except stuff like the Second Amendment nutters + crazy anti-Fed or "anti-gungrabber" local politicians + reliance on local judges to give warrants + very little actual jurisdiction = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
 
2013-01-11 07:48:31 PM

StopLurkListen: OregonVet: "ATF has established that a very small percentage of retail gun dealers-about 1%-are responsible for approximately 57% of the illegally-possessed guns nationwide," the city explained in its lawsuit. "The Defendants are among this small group of gun dealers who arm illegal gun possessors. As such, the Defendants cause, contribute to and maintain a public nuisance within the City of New York."

Um. Uh. I don't even know where to start. Why aren't they going after straw buyers? Why is the business still open pending an investigation? The only way (if that stat is remotely true) the gov't came up with that number is to have a crapload of evidence.

Oh man.

They (the ATF) are going after such businesses, except stuff like the Second Amendment nutters + crazy anti-Fed or "anti-gungrabber" local politicians + reliance on local judges to give warrants + very little actual jurisdiction = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal


That link isn't really relevant. That has to do with international interdiction and Operation Fast & Furious, not domestic illegal sales. Got anything more germane to internal issues?
 
2013-01-11 07:51:16 PM
And he wrapped up the week by championing hi-cap mag restrictions. LOL.

Enjoy GOP.
 
2013-01-11 08:07:33 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Aren't you statistically more likely to die of a gunshot if you own a gun vs. not?


That's one of the conclusions that Arhur Kellermann came to in his 1993 study, but renting your home was a far bigger factor.  The largest was having somebody in the house using illegal drugs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann#1993

I guess if we really want to cut down on gun violence we should make it illegal to rent dwellings.  Or something.  Or we could just not pay any damned attention to his ridiculous "study."
 
2013-01-11 08:10:31 PM
OregonVet
Um. Uh. I don't even know where to start. Why aren't they going after straw buyers?

ATF doesn't have independent prosecuting authority. It can conduct investigations, but has to refer the results to federal prosecutors for prosecution. And many federal prosecutors will decline to prosecute straw buyers because the criminal laws don't allow for significant penalties.

Why is the business still open pending an investigation? The only way (if that stat is remotely true) the gov't came up with that number is to have a crapload of evidence.

Because it's very difficult to suspend the license of a federal firearms dealer even if he/she repeatedly violates federal law. The laws are written so that a prosecutor has to show not just that the dealer violated the law, but that the dealer *knew* he was violating the law. So all a dealer has to say is "Oh, I guess I was just careless. I didn't know I was violating the law." No prosecution. "Oh, I didn't know *for sure* that that shady-looking person who was buying 100 semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazine was probably intending to sell it on the black market." No prosecution.

Plus, if any dealers get in a bind, they just call the NRA. NRA sues the ATF to get the dealer's license back.
 
2013-01-11 08:11:31 PM

Lsherm: biyaaatci: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Successfully sued?

Yes. They were sued, and they were not able to defend their actions as lawful. Therefore, they lost their court case, and their opponents were successful. Conversely, they failed. I've heard this sort of thing happens from time-to-time.

Actually, they got a default judgement because they couldn't afford to defend themselves against NY City and they wanted to speed up the appeals process.  Then an appeals court threw out most of the decision, as mentioned in the article, but left the original default judgement in place because the plaintiff dropped their defense intentionally.


Why didn't the NRA help them?

WTF are all those dues for?  I mean, other than Wayne LoonPierre's salary.
 
2013-01-11 08:14:53 PM

Lsherm: biyaaatci: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Successfully sued?

Yes. They were sued, and they were not able to defend their actions as lawful. Therefore, they lost their court case, and their opponents were successful. Conversely, they failed. I've heard this sort of thing happens from time-to-time.

Actually, they got a default judgement because they couldn't afford to defend themselves against NY City and they wanted to speed up the appeals process.  Then an appeals court threw out most of the decision, as mentioned in the article, but left the original default judgement in place because the plaintiff dropped their defense intentionally.


By the way, the whole idea of accepting a default judgment to expedite the appeals process is nonsense. The appellate court is limited to review of the trial court record. Sometimes a litigant may consent to entry of judgment on stipulated facts to expedite appeal where there is no factual dispute and the parties want immediate review of purely legal issues, but that's very different from a default judgment.
 
2013-01-11 08:21:19 PM

jbuist: cameroncrazy1984: Aren't you statistically more likely to die of a gunshot if you own a gun vs. not?

That's one of the conclusions that Arhur Kellermann came to in his 1993 study, but renting your home was a far bigger factor.  The largest was having somebody in the house using illegal drugs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann#1993

I guess if we really want to cut down on gun violence we should make it illegal to rent dwellings.  Or something.  Or we could just not pay any damned attention to his ridiculous "study."


Circa 1993? "Illegal drugs" = Cocaine or Crack Cocaine (and alcohol)

Pot (still illegal) = cheetohs and "Need for Speed III"

clarity, ya know...drillin down.
 
2013-01-11 08:23:47 PM
FTFA: "ATF has established that a very small percentage of retail gun dealers-about 1%-are responsible for approximately 57% of the illegally-possessed guns nationwide,"

That is a helluva claim. I mean, that just really jumps out at you. I sure would like to see the evidence. I don't doubt it might be true, but it's an explosive claim.

/no pun intended
 
2013-01-11 08:24:24 PM
This is amusing. By all means, I encourage anyone with an (R) behind their name to continue to double down on this derptastic stupidfest.

It's like watching a slow motion plane crash into the ocean.
 
2013-01-11 08:26:07 PM

Somacandra: FTFA: "ATF has established that a very small percentage of retail gun dealers-about 1%-are responsible for approximately 57% of the illegally-possessed guns nationwide,"

That is a helluva claim. I mean, that just really jumps out at you. I sure would like to see the evidence. I don't doubt it might be true, but it's an explosive claim.

/no pun intended


That was a cheap shot

/pun intended
 
2013-01-11 08:31:59 PM
the store, Adventure Outdoors, is a great gun store.  I've bought a bunch of boomsticks from them over the years.

Mayor Bloomberg can kiss my ass.
 
2013-01-11 08:34:16 PM

BravadoGT: the store, Adventure Outdoors, is a great gun store.  I've bought a bunch of boomsticks from them over the years.

Mayor Bloomberg can kiss my ass.


You are statistically far more likely to die from gunshot than I am.

I promise to pour my beer out on your grave and salute your principles.

After I've consumed the beer of course
 
2013-01-11 08:36:06 PM

BravadoGT: the store, Adventure Outdoors, is a great gun store.  I've bought a bunch of boomsticks from them over the years.

Mayor Bloomberg can kiss my ass.


I didn't think it was possible for me to think less of you than I did before. I stand corrected.
 
2013-01-11 08:36:39 PM

Gyrfalcon: StopLurkListen: OregonVet: "ATF has established that a very small percentage of retail gun dealers-about 1%-are responsible for approximately 57% of the illegally-possessed guns nationwide," the city explained in its lawsuit. "The Defendants are among this small group of gun dealers who arm illegal gun possessors. As such, the Defendants cause, contribute to and maintain a public nuisance within the City of New York."

Um. Uh. I don't even know where to start. Why aren't they going after straw buyers? Why is the business still open pending an investigation? The only way (if that stat is remotely true) the gov't came up with that number is to have a crapload of evidence.

Oh man.

They (the ATF) are going after such businesses, except stuff like the Second Amendment nutters + crazy anti-Fed or "anti-gungrabber" local politicians + reliance on local judges to give warrants + very little actual jurisdiction = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

That link isn't really relevant. That has to do with international interdiction and Operation Fast & Furious, not domestic illegal sales. Got anything more germane to internal issues?


It's relevant, because it illustrates the difficulties and barriers the ATF has in prosecuting illegal gun sales. This poster said it as well as I could:

Fellate O'Fish: OregonVet
Um. Uh. I don't even know where to start. Why aren't they going after straw buyers?

ATF doesn't have independent prosecuting authority. It can conduct investigations, but has to refer the results to federal prosecutors for prosecution. And many federal prosecutors will decline to prosecute straw buyers because the criminal laws don't allow for significant penalties.

Why is the business still open pending an investigation? The only way (if that stat is remotely true) the gov't came up with that number is to have a crapload of evidence.

Because it's very difficult to suspend the license of a federal firearms dealer even if he/she repeatedly violates federal law. The laws are written so that a prosecutor has to show not just that the dealer violated the law, but that the dealer *knew* he was violating the law. So all a dealer has to say is "Oh, I guess I was just careless. I didn't know I was violating the law." No prosecution. "Oh, I didn't know *for sure* that that shady-looking person who was buying 100 semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazine was probably intending to sell it on the black market." No prosecution.

Plus, if any dealers get in a bind, they just call the NRA. NRA sues the ATF to get the dealer's license back.

 
2013-01-11 08:36:39 PM

Apos: St_Francis_P: He's just trolling us now.

This. Derp never takes a day off.


Derp never sleeps.
 
2013-01-11 08:36:42 PM

BMulligan: BravadoGT: the store, Adventure Outdoors, is a great gun store.  I've bought a bunch of boomsticks from them over the years.

Mayor Bloomberg can kiss my ass.

I didn't think it was possible for me to think less of you than I did before. I stand corrected.


I'll try to find the courage to go on
 
2013-01-11 08:37:06 PM

X-boxershorts: BravadoGT: the store, Adventure Outdoors, is a great gun store.  I've bought a bunch of boomsticks from them over the years.

Mayor Bloomberg can kiss my ass.

You are statistically far more likely to die from gunshot than I am.

I promise to pour my beer out on your grave and salute your principles.

After I've consumed the beer of course


cutebabyhulk.com
 
2013-01-11 08:38:34 PM

Lsherm: Actually, they got a default judgement because they couldn't afford to defend themselves against NY City and they wanted to speed up the appeals process. Then an appeals court threw out most of the decision, as mentioned in the article, but left the original default judgement in place because the plaintiff dropped their defense intentionally.


Bloomberg should be in jail for sending people to conduct illegal gun trades. Instead the feds look the other way as Bloomberg uses his office to harass and intimidate gun dealers who have broken no law.
 
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