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(Hot Air)   Piers Morgan learns what happens when you debate someone who isn't a fringe conspiracy theorist about guns. Also has trouble taking what he dishes out   (hotair.com) divider line 728
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2013-01-11 01:58:37 PM  
Here is a Link  to video
 
2013-01-11 02:07:05 PM  
Does anybody care who won? It's like a bum fight.
 
2013-01-11 02:07:08 PM  
Ben Shapiro works for Deadbart.com, so if he ever wins an argument, he has to be fighting a retarded opponent, like Piers.
 
2013-01-11 02:09:35 PM  
Hey, here's a thought -- maybe I can dislike both Piers Morgan AND Alex Jones!  Arrogant sensationalists of different stripes, but arrogant sensationalists nonetheless.

I'm pretty indifferent to Shapiro.  Or Bowser or whatever he reminds you guys of (never got that reference).
 
2013-01-11 02:10:22 PM  
I really hate Piers Morgan, so i'm always happy to read about him getting his arse handed to him and roundly ridiculed in public, but my first thought was that since the guy was from Breitbart he must be a crazy kinda person. Then I figured you probably have to have some level of intelligence to rise to the top to become editor at large of a magazine after assassinating your predecessors.

Someone punch him. Morgan that is. He needs more punching.
 
2013-01-11 02:13:03 PM  
Piers Morgan is dumber than most middle school children.
 
2013-01-11 02:31:09 PM  
I don't like Piers Morgan, but I like Alex Jones even less.
 
2013-01-11 02:32:31 PM  
Does the Hot Air headline really say pwned?

Who says pwnedanymore nowadays?
 
2013-01-11 02:35:27 PM  

SlothB77: Does the Hot Air headline really say pwned?

Who says pwnedanymore nowadays?


Conservatives: consistently behind the curve of what's relevant and what's not.
 
2013-01-11 02:40:44 PM  
izquotes.com
 
2013-01-11 02:46:43 PM  

Ben Shapiro is absolutely right about this:

MORGAN: You genuinely believe your own government is going to turn on you in a way that you require an AR-15 to challenge them? You really believe that will happen in modern-day America? Is that what you think?

SHAPIRO: They may not turn on me. They may not turn on my children. But the fact is this, history is replete with democracies going tyrannical. It has happened. It happened in France in the 19th century. It happened in Spain in the last century. It happened in Germany. It happened in Italy. It happened in Japan.
And there are vast more examples of democracies going tyrannical on their disarmed citizens.  Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, Korea, Myanmar, Cambodia, Vietnam, Rwanda, Liberia, Libya, Congo, Zimbabwe, Russia.  And in all of those cases, many innocents died.  Including children.  It is interesting to note that we are one of the few countries in the world with the 2nd Amendment law (or something similar to it) and our government has not yet gone tyrannical on its citizens.
 
2013-01-11 02:51:29 PM  

SlothB77: Ben Shapiro is absolutely right about this:

MORGAN: You genuinely believe your own government is going to turn on you in a way that you require an AR-15 to challenge them? You really believe that will happen in modern-day America? Is that what you think?

SHAPIRO: They may not turn on me. They may not turn on my children. But the fact is this, history is replete with democracies going tyrannical. It has happened. It happened in France in the 19th century. It happened in Spain in the last century. It happened in Germany. It happened in Italy. It happened in Japan.
And there are vast more examples of democracies going tyrannical on their disarmed citizens.  Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, Korea, Myanmar, Cambodia, Vietnam, Rwanda, Liberia, Libya, Congo, Zimbabwe, Russia.  And in all of those cases, many innocents died.  Including children.  It is interesting to note that we are one of the few countries in the world with the 2nd Amendment law (or something similar to it) and our government has not yet gone tyrannical on its citizens.


Of course not. They haven't disarmed us.

Yet.
 
2013-01-11 02:51:49 PM  
Somalia hasn't gone tyrannical.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-11 02:52:35 PM  

SlothB77: Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, Korea, Myanmar, Cambodia, Vietnam, Rwanda, Liberia, Libya, Congo, Zimbabwe, Russia


Sudan, Nicaragua, Haiti, Colombia, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Serbia, Turkmenistan
 
2013-01-11 02:53:14 PM  

vernonFL: Somalia hasn't gone tyrannical.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 308x164]


And Obama had those Somalian pirate patriots killed. Put two and two together.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:01 PM  

SlothB77: SlothB77: Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, Korea, Myanmar, Cambodia, Vietnam, Rwanda, Liberia, Libya, Congo, Zimbabwe, Russia

Sudan, Nicaragua, Haiti, Colombia, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Serbia, Turkmenistan


United States, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Haiti, Jamaica, Peru;
Republic Dominican; Cuba, Caribbean; Greenland; El Salvador too.
Puerto Rico, Colombia, Venezuela, Honduras, Guyana and still
Guatemala, Bolivia then Argentina and Ecuador, Chile, Brazil;
Costa Rica, Belize, Nicaragua, Bermuda, Bahamas, Tobago, San Juan;
Paraguay, Uruguay, Suriname and French Guiana, Barbados and Guam!
Norway and Sweden and Iceland and Finland and Germany (now in one
piece);
Switzerland, Austria, Czechy, Slovakia, Italy, Turkey and Greece;
Poland, Roumania, Scotland, Albania, Ireland, Russia, Oman;
Bulgaria, Saudi Arabia, Hungary, Cyprus, Iraq and Iran.
Therere Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, both Yemens, Kuwait and
Bahrain;
The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium and Portugal; France, England,
Denmark and Spain.
India, Pakistan, Burma, Afghanistan, Thailand, Nepal and Bhutan;
Kampuchea; Malaysia; then Bangladesh, Asia; and China; Korea; Japan.
Mongolia, Laos and Tibet, Indonesia, the Philippine Islands, Taiwan;
Sri Lanka, New Guinea, Sumatra, New Zealand, then Borneo and Vietnam.
Tunisia, Morocco, Uganda, Angola, Zimbabwe, Djibouti, Botswana;
Mozambique, Zambia, Swaziland, Gambia, Guinea, Algeria, Ghana!
Burundi, Lesotho and Malawi, Togo, the Spanish Sahara is gone;
Niger, Nigeria, Chad and Liberia, Egypt, Benin and Gabon.
Tanzania, Somalia, Kenya and Mali, Sierra Leone and Algier
Dahomey, Namibia, Senegal, Libya, Cameroon, Congo, Zaire
Ethiopia, Guinea-Bissau, Madagascar, Rwanda, Mahore and
Cayman;
Hong Kong, Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Yugoslavia --
Crete, Mauritania,
Then Transylvania,
Monaco, Liechtenstein,
Malta and Palestine,
Fiji, Australia, Sudan!
 
2013-01-11 02:56:55 PM  

SlothB77: SlothB77: Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, Korea, Myanmar, Cambodia, Vietnam, Rwanda, Liberia, Libya, Congo, Zimbabwe, Russia

Sudan, Nicaragua, Haiti, Colombia, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Serbia, Turkmenistan


What about Constantinople?
 
2013-01-11 02:59:44 PM  

SlothB77: It is interesting to note that we are one of the few countries in the world with the 2nd Amendment law (or something similar to it) and our government has not yet gone tyrannical on its citizens.


so you think your AR-15 will save you against a predator drone, an A10 or an abrams tank? give me a break. this "i need guns in case the government becomes tyrannical" thing is a schoolboy fantasy.
 
2013-01-11 03:02:43 PM  

FlashHarry: so you think your AR-15 will save you against a predator drone, an A10 or an abrams tank? give me a break. this "i need guns in case the government becomes tyrannical" thing is a schoolboy fantasy.


So the insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq are fantasies? Last I checked, it's not the Taliban's fleet of tanks that is giving us such a hard time.
 
2013-01-11 03:03:02 PM  

FlashHarry: so you think your AR-15 will save you against a predator drone, an A10 or an abrams tank? give me a break. this "i need guns in case the government becomes tyrannical" thing is a schoolboy fantasy.


"Guns alone cannot topple a tyrannical government. So lets ban guns"

That's your argument? Really?
 
2013-01-11 03:04:53 PM  
It's not about guns. It's not about clips or magazines. Or whether its an "assault" weapon." It's not about any other debate diverting nomenclature argument. It's about keeping guns out of the hands of nutjobs and others who aren't responsible enough to handle them.

When are they going to start talking about that?
 
2013-01-11 03:04:55 PM  
The United states can't even take over Afghanistan or Iraq. What makes these patriot Wolverines think the US government is going to be able to take over....the United States?
 
2013-01-11 03:05:15 PM  

Hydra: FlashHarry: so you think your AR-15 will save you against a predator drone, an A10 or an abrams tank? give me a break. this "i need guns in case the government becomes tyrannical" thing is a schoolboy fantasy.

So the insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq are fantasies? Last I checked, it's not the Taliban's fleet of tanks that is giving us such a hard time.


there's a huge difference between "over there" and "over here" just in the number of troops, bases and in the quality of the infrastructure. there's also a huge difference between a waco or ruby ridge type standoff and a coordinated, country-wide insurgency.
 
2013-01-11 03:06:09 PM  

Frank N Stein: FlashHarry: so you think your AR-15 will save you against a predator drone, an A10 or an abrams tank? give me a break. this "i need guns in case the government becomes tyrannical" thing is a schoolboy fantasy.

"Guns alone cannot topple a tyrannical government. So lets ban guns"

That's your argument? Really?


excuse me, where did i say "ban guns?" i realize that it's much easier to argue against a straw man, but that's just ridiculous.
 
2013-01-11 03:06:37 PM  

Frank N Stein: "Guns alone cannot topple a tyrannical government. So lets ban guns"

That's your argument? Really?


You're right. Guns aren't enough. You also need heart!
 
2013-01-11 03:07:09 PM  

FlashHarry: Frank N Stein: FlashHarry: so you think your AR-15 will save you against a predator drone, an A10 or an abrams tank? give me a break. this "i need guns in case the government becomes tyrannical" thing is a schoolboy fantasy.

"Guns alone cannot topple a tyrannical government. So lets ban guns"

That's your argument? Really?

excuse me, where did i say "ban guns?" i realize that it's much easier to argue against a straw man, but that's just ridiculous.


Oh my apologies. I thought you were advocating the ban or restriction to owning AR-15s and other "assault weapons". My bad.
 
2013-01-11 03:07:55 PM  

Shostie: You're right. Guns aren't enough. You also need heart!


And moxie!

And pluck!
 
2013-01-11 03:08:30 PM  

edmo: It's not about guns. It's not about clips or magazines. Or whether its an "assault" weapon." It's not about any other debate diverting nomenclature argument. It's about keeping guns out of the hands of nutjobs and others who aren't responsible enough to handle them.

When are they going to start talking about that?


no shiat. what we need is some common-sense stuff: a national database of guns, so every single firearm sold in this country can be tracked by a VIN-type number. we also need THOROUGH background checks and waiting periods on every gun sold - gun-show, private, or store. we also need to enforce the laws we have. we also need to adequately fund the ATF and confirm its director (it's been vacant for years)

but the NRA opposes ALL OF THIS.
 
2013-01-11 03:09:12 PM  

Frank N Stein: Oh my apologies. I thought you were advocating the ban or restriction to owning AR-15s and other "assault weapons". My bad.


so a ban on one type of gun = BAN GUNS? how facile.
 
2013-01-11 03:09:12 PM  

FlashHarry: so you think your AR-15 will save you against a predator drone, an A10 or an abrams tank? give me a break. this "i need guns in case the government becomes tyrannical" thing is a schoolboy fantasy.


I do love that.  I mean, our Navy, for instance, can win a war in a freakin' desert all by themselves, and these gomers with their guns are going to do...  what was it again?
 
2013-01-11 03:11:22 PM  

FlashHarry: so a ban on one type of gun = BAN GUNS? how facile.


Well they are some of the most popular guns. While I suppose you don't support some sort of blanket ban, I can assume you support a ban of so-called "assault weapons"? In that case, my point still stands. You argue that you cannot topple a tyrannical government with AR-15s alone, so that's your rationale for wanting them banned?

Seems silly.
 
2013-01-11 03:11:50 PM  

Frank N Stein: Oh my apologies. I thought you were advocating the ban or restriction to owning AR-15s and other "assault weapons". My bad.


put another way:

me: i don't think you should be able to drive top-fuel dragsters on public roads.
you: WHY DO YOU WANT TO BAN ALL CARS????
 
2013-01-11 03:12:51 PM  

vernonFL: Shostie: You're right. Guns aren't enough. You also need heart!

And moxie!

And pluck!


And a can-do spirit!

COME ON, TEAM! LET'S TOPPLE AMERICA!

...wait...
 
2013-01-11 03:14:09 PM  

FlashHarry: me: i don't think you should be able to drive top-fuel dragsters on public roads.
you: WHY DO YOU WANT TO BAN ALL CARS????


A more accurate comparison would be:

"I don't want riced out civics to drive on public roads because they kinda look like race cars"
 
2013-01-11 03:15:14 PM  

Frank N Stein: In that case, my point still stands. You argue that you cannot topple a tyrannical government with AR-15s alone, so that's your rationale for wanting them banned?


your point doesn't stand. you accused me of wanting to ban ALL guns. i do not want to ban ALL guns. also, my point was that the anti-tyranny argument is ridiculous, but that's not my rationale for wanting to ban "assault weapons."
 
2013-01-11 03:16:35 PM  

Frank N Stein: FlashHarry: me: i don't think you should be able to drive top-fuel dragsters on public roads.
you: WHY DO YOU WANT TO BAN ALL CARS????

A more accurate comparison would be:

"I don't want riced out civics to drive on public roads because they kinda look like race cars"


to which you would still answer: WHY DO YOU WANT TO BAN ALL CARS?
 
2013-01-11 03:18:36 PM  
I'm pretty sure FlashHarry is short for "Muzzle Flash Dirty Harry."

I ask you, men and women of Fark, is THAT the name of someone who wants to ban all guns!
 
2013-01-11 03:19:05 PM  

Frank N Stein: "I don't want riced out civics to drive on public roads because they kinda look like race cars"


btw - if an AR15 is just a "riced-out civic," how is it going to help you topple a tyrannical government?
 
2013-01-11 03:22:12 PM  

FlashHarry: Frank N Stein: FlashHarry: me: i don't think you should be able to drive top-fuel dragsters on public roads.
you: WHY DO YOU WANT TO BAN ALL CARS????

A more accurate comparison would be:

"I don't want riced out civics to drive on public roads because they kinda look like race cars"

to which you would still answer: WHY DO YOU WANT TO BAN ALL CARS?


No, I would just call you an idiot for thinking riced out civics should be banned because they look like race cars.
 
2013-01-11 03:24:54 PM  

FlashHarry: Frank N Stein: "I don't want riced out civics to drive on public roads because they kinda look like race cars"

btw - if an AR15 is just a "riced-out civic," how is it going to help you topple a tyrannical government?


Because it shoots a hunk of lead at hundreds of feet per second in an affordable package (before the gun ban scare too hold) with readily available ammunition.
 
2013-01-11 03:24:56 PM  

Frank N Stein: No, I would just call you an idiot for thinking riced out civics should be banned because they look like race cars.


i ask you again,  if an AR15 is just a "riced-out civic," how is it going to help you topple a tyrannical government?

and if it's just a wannabe plaything fake soldier-boy gun as you suggest, why do you care if it's banned?
 
2013-01-11 03:25:48 PM  

Frank N Stein: Because it shoots a hunk of lead at hundreds of feet per second in an affordable package (before the gun ban scare too hold) with readily available ammunition.


yet it's a play soldier gun? a "riced-out civic?" you seem confused.
 
2013-01-11 03:26:10 PM  

FlashHarry: btw - if an AR15 is just a "riced-out civic," how is it going to help you topple a tyrannical government?


Seriously? You don't see how it "helps"?
 
2013-01-11 03:26:50 PM  

Frank N Stein: Because it shoots a hunk of lead at hundreds of feet per second in an affordable package


so does a bolt-action .30-06.
 
2013-01-11 03:27:59 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Seriously? You don't see how it "helps"?


he's saying that an AR15 is a pretend wannabe fake "let's play soldier!" gun.

if it's nothing more than a "riced-out civic," how is that going to help against a squad of troops with MP5s or M4s?
 
2013-01-11 03:31:02 PM  

Vodka Zombie: FlashHarry: so you think your AR-15 will save you against a predator drone, an A10 or an abrams tank? give me a break. this "i need guns in case the government becomes tyrannical" thing is a schoolboy fantasy.

I do love that.  I mean, our Navy, for instance, can win a war in a freakin' desert all by themselves, and these gomers with their guns are going to do...  what was it again?


SHOCK AND AWE!!!

upload.wikimedia.org

Except the mission wasn't "accomplished". Not even close:




"Mission Accomplished" refers to a banner titled "Mission Accomplished" that was displayed on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln during a televised address by United States President George W. Bush on May 1, 2003 and the controversy that followed.

Bush stated at the time that this was the end to major combat operations in Iraq. Bush's assertion-and the sign itself-became controversial after guerrilla warfare in Iraq increased during the Iraqi insurgency. The vast majority of casualties, both military and civilian, occurred after the speech."


/Shock and awe will only get you so far
//Unless you're willing to slaughter the civilian population wholesale
///And what fun is being a tyrant if there's no one left to tyrannize?


Oh, and let's not forget that EVERY excuse used to con us into attacking Iraq was a LIE.

And we think we're immune to the abuses of tyrants? LOL!
 
2013-01-11 03:31:39 PM  

R.A.Danny: SlothB77: SlothB77: Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, Korea, Myanmar, Cambodia, Vietnam, Rwanda, Liberia, Libya, Congo, Zimbabwe, Russia

Sudan, Nicaragua, Haiti, Colombia, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Serbia, Turkmenistan

What about Constantinople?


Now it's Istanbul,
 
2013-01-11 03:32:24 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Now it's Istanbul,


that's no body's business but the turks.
 
2013-01-11 03:32:38 PM  
There are many valid reasons for gun ownership. "I'm going to overthrow the government when it crosses the line" isn't one of them.

You and your little band of backwoods rednecks are not going to be able to stand up against the military might of your government when its facing a situation where its survival is at stake and it no longer cares about world opinion and media consequences.

"Oh but the army will be on OUR side".

Well then you, Bubba, and your pea-shooters will not be necessary. The military will overthrow the government.

These paranoid, delusional, revolutionary types are pretty much all the same. They're people who all imagine they're going to be the next George Washington. They're going to be leading the charge. They're going to be leading the revolution. They're going to fight a glorious battle and become supreme ruler of their grand new utopia modelled in their image. They all imagine themselves like the General in "The Postman". An impotent, unimportant, nobody of a Xerox salesman back when they lived in the time when "the government" was calling the shots, but once the revolution began they rose to their god ordained destiny of supreme military leader. And there will be no more homos, or blacks, or liberals, or Muslims, or Catholics,  or Jews or whatever bug-a-boo is currently holding them back from achieving success. The world will be perfect and it will all be thanks to them and their gun and their glorious balls of steel.

But until that revolution comes they sit there like that drunk at the end of the bar who won't shut up about his get rich quick scheme that he just knows will someday work when all the cards are right and the stars align and he gets off his ass and finally does something about it. They all talk the talk. They brag about how they could raise a mighty army with just one e-mail. They brag about their survival training, their brilliant strategy, their back woods militia training, their mighty secret arsenal that will one day over throw the government. One day. Soon! One day, soon.

But not now. Now's not the time. It's coming. It will come. Be ready. But now is not the time. I could overthrow the government now and lead my army to glory, but I won't. They haven't crossed the line yet. But it will happen. And soon. Just not now. I know I said my line would be crossed if they elected that guy to office. But that wasn't the time. I know I said my line would be crossed if they elected that guy to a second term. But that still wasn't the time. Oh but it's coming and when it does then I'll lead the charge.

Pussies each and every one of them. But pussies who are smart enough to realize the fantasy of their revolution is a hell of a lot more enjoyable than what the reality of a revolution is. So as long as they got their Honey Boo Boo on the TV and beer is cheap and plentiful and they've still got a good long life ahead of them now will NEVER be the time.
 
2013-01-11 03:33:32 PM  

FlashHarry: Frank N Stein: Because it shoots a hunk of lead at hundreds of feet per second in an affordable package

so does a bolt-action .30-06.


Which of these should be banned?

t3.gstatic.com

or

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
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