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(Sun Sentinel)   You probably shouldn't try to sell 40 gallons of moonshine via Craigslist   (sun-sentinel.com ) divider line
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2013-01-11 02:14:10 PM  
Unless you pay the gov't $200,00 for a 'license' first...for safety
 
2013-01-11 02:14:16 PM  
I about lost my shiat when his picture popped up.
 
2013-01-11 02:14:45 PM  
This is a setup! It was clearly labeled "For entertainment purposes only".
 
2013-01-11 02:16:16 PM  
He looks exactly like I'd imagine someone who would sell 40 gallons on moonshine on CL would look like.
 
2013-01-11 02:17:13 PM  
For that, you need to go door-to-door

www.rugrag.com
 
2013-01-11 02:17:43 PM  
...concealing beverages??? WTF, if this doesn't prove that we have too many overlapping laws, I don't know what does.
 
2013-01-11 02:17:50 PM  
With a head that big he must get awful hangovers.
 
2013-01-11 02:18:45 PM  
Can someone please explain to me why anyone buys moonshine?  Plenty of cheap whiskey in the liquor stores.
 
2013-01-11 02:18:58 PM  
"laboratory grade ethanol"

does this count as entrapment? since the police were the ones who placed the ad asking to buy moonshine.

/i eagerly wait the informed opinions of the Fark GED Law Class of 2013
 
2013-01-11 02:22:25 PM  
I'm pretty sure Jim Tom doesn't know what a craigslist is.
 
2013-01-11 02:22:44 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: does this count as entrapment? since the police were the ones who placed the ad asking to buy moonshine.


No, entrapment is when they entice you to do something you wouldn't otherwise do... it would be more like asking someone who was not already making moonshine, "hey, if you make me some moonshine, I'll pay you top dollar."
 
2013-01-11 02:23:45 PM  
Poor Tickle can't catch a break.
 
2013-01-11 02:23:51 PM  
Of course it is only illegal because he didn't buy something from the government first. They should have to prove harm for a conviction.
 
2013-01-11 02:25:07 PM  

radiumsoup: The_Original_Roxtar: does this count as entrapment? since the police were the ones who placed the ad asking to buy moonshine.

No, entrapment is when they entice you to do something you wouldn't otherwise do... it would be more like asking someone who was not already making moonshine, "hey, if you make me some moonshine, I'll pay you top dollar."


Which for some reason in the eyes of the law is different than, "hey, I think you want to commit a crime but you don't have all of the neccesary tools. Allow me to provide them to you and then lock you up for using them".
 
2013-01-11 02:25:24 PM  
Now, the most important question is what KIND of moonshine. I'd pay good money for apple pie shine, or vanilla orange. My dad gave me a bottle of apple pie for Christmas, it was delicious, once you got over the "holy crap this can fuel my car" burn.
 
2013-01-11 02:25:25 PM  
He should have marked it as homeopathic moonshine.
 
2013-01-11 02:26:30 PM  

nekom: Can someone please explain to me why anyone buys moonshine?  Plenty of cheap whiskey in the liquor stores.


Well-made moonshine is very smooth and very cheap.
 
2013-01-11 02:27:40 PM  

nekom: Can someone please explain to me why anyone buys moonshine?  Plenty of cheap whiskey in the liquor stores.


Yeah, I'm curious about this too. Or, if you're that desperate, get a still and make it yourself....it's not as easy as buying Thunderbird at the liquor store, but it's not rocket science.
 
2013-01-11 02:27:46 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: "laboratory grade ethanol"

does this count as entrapment? since the police were the ones who placed the ad asking to buy moonshine.

/i eagerly wait the informed opinions of the Fark GED Law Class of 2013


No. For entrapment the authorities have to entice you to do something illegal you normally wouldn't do. They can "fish" all they want like that, similar to an undercover cop walking around a concert asking "Who's got pot to sell?" If a dealer approaches them they are busted.

Now say an undercover cop were to walk up to you, Mr. Law abiding Citizen, and ask you to get some moonshine. You don't make moonshine, you don't sell it. You are minding your own business. You say no. They keep asking you, offering you more and more money. After a dozen times, you make a call and find some shine. They arrest you. THAT would be entrapment.
 
2013-01-11 02:29:31 PM  

nekom: Can someone please explain to me why anyone buys moonshine?  Plenty of cheap whiskey in the liquor stores.


Cause my Daddy made it. And his daddy before him. And his Paw, before him. That's why.
 
2013-01-11 02:29:56 PM  
I've had some good moonshine. It wasn't made by hicks that looked like this tool.

they should probably just give him a tax bill, not really worth it putting this guy in jail to become more of a criminal and us all pay for him.
 
2013-01-11 02:32:10 PM  

Thisbymaster: He should have marked it as homeopathic moonshine.


Some of us prefer our moonshine straight.
 
2013-01-11 02:32:18 PM  

JFarker131: My dad gave me a bottle of apple pie for Christmas


Too bad the poison was already in the glass, huh?

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2013-01-11 02:35:13 PM  

nekom: Can someone please explain to me why anyone buys moonshine?  Plenty of cheap whiskey in the liquor stores.



A. Cheap whiskey sucks.
B. Grappa (made from wine) is great.
C. Buy it?
 
2013-01-11 02:35:53 PM  
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2013-01-11 02:36:31 PM  
There are still some dry counties in the U.S. where the sale of alcohol is prohibited.
I don't see Palm Beach County on the list (where Lantana is) but he might have intended to sell the booze in one of dry ones.
 
2013-01-11 02:36:44 PM  

FarkinHostile: No. For entrapment the authorities have to entice you to do something illegal you normally wouldn't do.


And even then, most states will still convict you. There's no straight-up rule about what is or isn't entrapment. Federal officers are held to a different level than state and local. When I saw this article, I was like, "How is this not entrapment?" So I did a little research. As it turns out, entrapment is a complex beast, mostly built out of case-law and not actual legislative acts.
 
2013-01-11 02:37:09 PM  
I've been thinking about trying to make some shine, anybody have any tips/links that would be helpful
 
2013-01-11 02:37:19 PM  

The Third Man: nekom: Can someone please explain to me why anyone buys moonshine?  Plenty of cheap whiskey in the liquor stores.

Yeah, I'm curious about this too. Or, if you're that desperate, get a still and make it yourself....it's not as easy as buying Thunderbird at the liquor store, but it's not rocket science.


Well, there's always the potential to do it wrong and blind yourself. Probably better to buy it from someone with experience running a still, cuz methanol.

/it's really cheep
//and quite tasty
///good all purpose cleaner as well
 
2013-01-11 02:38:34 PM  

ThreeEdgedSword: Poor Tickle can't catch a break.


Or his friend Tim

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2013-01-11 02:39:31 PM  
Also, my local liquor store carries moonshine. 'Shine is just a grain-neutral spirit distilled in small batches. The actual contents of the shine vary greatly depending on where you are. Now, most store-bought 'shine is flavored down to lower proofs, but it's still 'shine.
 
2013-01-11 02:41:57 PM  

ThreeEdgedSword: I'm pretty sure Jim Tom doesn't know what a craigslist is.


He's got a brand new 120 GB hard drive in his skull.
 
2013-01-11 02:43:16 PM  

chitownmike: I've been thinking about trying to make some shine, anybody have any tips/links that would be helpful


Foxfire
 
2013-01-11 02:44:30 PM  

Elegy: ///good all purpose cleaner as well


s3.amazonaws.com
Good shiat, huh? It's good for two things: degreasing engines and killing brain cells.
 
2013-01-11 02:45:52 PM  
Well, he's got a head start on prepping for doomsday.

All you need is a shotgun and a still. You'll always find someone willing to trade for high-proof alcohol. The added bonus is, no matter how many people you explain this to, there's no risk of market saturation.
 
2013-01-11 02:46:27 PM  
a friend of mine made some moonshine and it was delicious. although, we was actually trying to make it delicious. he aged it in oak barrels for a long time.

/ was still rocket fuel.
 
2013-01-11 02:47:05 PM  

pute kisses like a man: we was ac


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/ whoops
 
2013-01-11 02:47:14 PM  

chitownmike: I've been thinking about trying to make some shine, anybody have any tips/links that would be helpful


Popcorn. That's all you need to know.
 
2013-01-11 02:47:40 PM  

nekom: Can someone please explain to me why anyone buys moonshine?  Plenty of cheap whiskey in the liquor stores.


Because its illegal and the government doesnt want you to have it. DUH!

This is good in a mason jar too
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2013-01-11 02:48:24 PM  

t3knomanser: And even then, most states will still convict you. There's no straight-up rule about what is or isn't entrapment. Federal officers are held to a different level than state and local. When I saw this article, I was like, "How is this not entrapment?" So I did a little research. As it turns out, entrapment is a complex beast, mostly built out of case-law and not actual legislative acts.


Eh, perhaps, but that's the way it is supposed to be. Still, this case does not fit the definition of entrapment if it is accurately reported. Once again,they can "fish" like this all day long. He approached them after reading the ad. It's when they "target" an individual who is not normally involved in the illegal activity, and badger them to commit a crime when it becomes entrapment.

Of course, that's in theory, and perhaps not in practice.
 
2013-01-11 02:48:42 PM  

nekom: Can someone please explain to me why anyone buys moonshine?  Plenty of cheap whiskey in the liquor stores.


Often the drinkers are very poor and/or live in a dry locality. "Nip joints" sell drinks for a dollar or so, way cheaper than bars and often located in neighborhoods where there are no bars/clubs.

Home distilling will probably never be legalized like home brewing for two reasons:
1. distilling can be dangerous and more likely to explode while you are working on it than beer. Glass carboys can shatter during brewing, but this often happens while it is sitting there (i.e. no one is likely to be around) and not as violently as an exploding still.

2. It's hard to make beer bad enough to physically harm someone. It's possible, but often it's so bad tasting you can't swallow enough to harm you. Bad moonshine is a different animal.
 
2013-01-11 02:48:48 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: chitownmike: I've been thinking about trying to make some shine, anybody have any tips/links that would be helpful

Popcorn. That's all you need to know.


You're gonna dig him up first
 
2013-01-11 02:48:58 PM  

FarkinHostile: The_Original_Roxtar: "laboratory grade ethanol"

does this count as entrapment? since the police were the ones who placed the ad asking to buy moonshine.

/i eagerly wait the informed opinions of the Fark GED Law Class of 2013

No. For entrapment the authorities have to entice you to do something illegal you normally wouldn't do. They can "fish" all they want like that, similar to an undercover cop walking around a concert asking "Who's got pot to sell?" If a dealer approaches them they are busted.

Now say an undercover cop were to walk up to you, Mr. Law abiding Citizen, and ask you to get some moonshine. You don't make moonshine, you don't sell it. You are minding your own business. You say no. They keep asking you, offering you more and more money. After a dozen times, you make a call and find some shine. They arrest you. THAT would be entrapment.


Probably, but it depends.

The definition of entrapment usually involves a character analysis to determine if the person who committed the crime was predisposed to doing so. For example, if a known drug dealer is approached by a guy who wants to buy, but he's feeling paranoid and doesn't sell the first dozen times he's asked, and then finally does - that's probably not entrapment. If it's a guy who wasn't a dealer, then it probably is.

Not only that, you might not even be able to claim entrapment in some states. If they can entice you into committing a crime, well, you committed a crime, end of story.
 
2013-01-11 02:50:08 PM  

Elegy: The Third Man: nekom: Can someone please explain to me why anyone buys moonshine?  Plenty of cheap whiskey in the liquor stores.

Yeah, I'm curious about this too. Or, if you're that desperate, get a still and make it yourself....it's not as easy as buying Thunderbird at the liquor store, but it's not rocket science.

Well, there's always the potential to do it wrong and blind yourself. Probably better to buy it from someone with experience running a still, cuz methanol.

/it's really cheep
//and quite tasty
///good all purpose cleaner as well



You only get methanol if your mash contains a bunch of cellulose...so corn barley etc you have to be careful. Suger washes or making fruit wine then distilling into Grappa is really easy and perfectly safe.

/Not that I would know anything about that
 
2013-01-11 02:51:28 PM  

Onkel Buck: Smeggy Smurf: chitownmike: I've been thinking about trying to make some shine, anybody have any tips/links that would be helpful

Popcorn. That's all you need to know.

You're gonna dig him up first


He was well preserved when he went in. I bet he'll wake up and just be a bit thirsty.
 
2013-01-11 02:52:58 PM  

FarkinHostile: It's when they "target" an individual who is not normally involved in the illegal activity, and badger them to commit a crime when it becomes entrapment.


My point is that even your example may not be entrapment because there is no standard definition of entrapment in the US.
 
2013-01-11 02:56:03 PM  

chitownmike: I've been thinking about trying to make some shine, anybody have any tips/links that would be helpful


Here you go.
 
2013-01-11 03:03:41 PM  

moefuggenbrew: Unless you pay the gov't $200,00 for a 'license' first...for safety


Yes $aft€¥ ™
 
2013-01-11 03:07:38 PM  
charged with possession of a firearm, which carries a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison.

wow. If your people are so farked up you have a law like that, you're a sad state.
 
2013-01-11 03:09:55 PM  

nekom: Can someone please explain to me why anyone buys moonshine?  Plenty of cheap whiskey in the liquor stores.



Well It is cheaper and better tasting than cheap whiskey #1.

But IMO moonshine has several variations although types, names etc will vary from region to region:

What I typically call "Moonshine" is of the "white lightnin" variety. Little taste (other than a little burn), at least 150 proof, preferably more. One can acquire a taste for it and it is compact and easily toted into the woods for a camping, fishing, hunting etc. Alot of bang for the space that it takes up in a pocket or pack. Basically like everclear was before the 180 proof high test was banned (that may be a state and not a fed law?)

Then there is corn whiskey and I like it very much. The taste is sweet and smooth. should be at LEAST 90 proof but preferably in the 120ish range. It's cheap and enjoyable to drink IMO....it can now be bought in some stores at least around here...although it's much more expensive than the illegal stuff.

Then there are your fruit/flavor infused. Typically it's white lightnin' with fruit soaking in it. Tastes good and is more palatable for some people. I had a cinnamon batch one time that was the best flavored shine ever! Lotsa people woke up with inexplicable injuries that next mornin'.

Alot of what people call "Apple pie" is what I always grew up knowing as Applejack. Basically a fortified Apple wine (weak moonshine) with cinnamon and sugar. Typically these are lower in alcohol and best left to the wimmenfolks...lol

And Grappa. Distilled fruit wine. Typically aroung 90-100 proof. Has some residual fruit flavor but still strong and often tasty. Age it in oak barrels and you'll get a true brandy.
 
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