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2013-01-11 03:31:00 PM  

dr-shotgun: CPennypacker: Posts Chart Showing Assault Rifles Used in Mass Shootings

You are missing the point.

The contention is that assault rifles are somehow exponentially MORE lethal than other guns when used in mass shootings. Yet, of the 10 most lethal mass shootings, only one involved the use of an assault rifle. And when we pick apart that shooting, it is obvious that the use of an AR likely has little/no effect on the overall lethality of the event.

So if they really are these "Weapons of mass murder" designed expressly to "Kill everybody in a room" as "quickly as possible," than why is it that mass shootings with assault rifles are not the entirety of the most lethal mass shooting list?

Also, the Mother Jones data on weapons is quite poor, as they categorize every long gun that isn't a shotgun as an assault rifle.


So what you're saying is, ban them all? Why do you hate the second amendment, commie?
 
2013-01-11 03:31:14 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Fail in Human Form: "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so". - Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes people on the internet make shiat up and then pretend someone famous said it." - George Jefferson


"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." - Martin Luther King Jr.

Is that better?
 
2013-01-11 03:31:41 PM  

1derful: Emrick: We should ban all semi-automatic weapons. Or tax the living shait out of them so very few people own one.

Or you could move to Europe, which is better suited to people who like totalitarian government control over people's individual lives.


Boo hoo we are going to take your guns away. Remember me when you turn in your last one.
 
2013-01-11 03:31:51 PM  

hubiestubert: No matter how you brand it, either side of the gun control debate is bait and switch.

We need to have a discussion in this country about crime. Causes. Prevention. Why folks turn to violent crime. How we can reduce the factors and conditions that make it an option.

That means having a meaningful discussion on education, mental health, and economic opportunity as well as drug policy.

But we won't. Instead folks are going to conflate the tools themselves as both cause and solution to crime. And very little will be done to address the real issue of crime in this country, and a lot of lobbyists will pocket cash on both sides of this uselessly vitriolic debate...


Bravo


{insert picture of hipster sci fi show cast clapping here}
 
2013-01-11 03:32:06 PM  

Emrick: We should ban all semi-automatic weapons. Or tax the living shait out of them so very few people own one.


And then all semi-automatic weapons will just magically cease to exist and all crazy people will just sit in their houses wishing that they had something to kill people with instead of actually killing people.
 
2013-01-11 03:32:13 PM  

CPennypacker: 1derful: Emrick: We should ban all semi-automatic weapons. Or tax the living shait out of them so very few people own one.

Or you could move to Europe, which is better suited to people who like totalitarian government control over people's individual lives.

Yeah Europe totally blows


Yeah, I hear they lock up a huge portion of their population. Oh wait, that's us.
Well, they still try to run your life by telling who you can love. Damn, still us.
At least we can't be locked up with no trial! ... Oh for farks sake, just forget it!
 
2013-01-11 03:32:21 PM  

djkutch: Background check including mental health?
He stole the guns from his mother. So, perhaps background checks including mental health for all house hold members?

I say you can have a bazooka if you want, if we could agree to something like that. It's a start.



Mental health should be a part of the back ground check. However you can't check everyone who could come into contact with the gun.

another cultural observer: You're not allowed to keep arguing after someone hijacks the souls of dead children to further a political argument.


That's basically what I've run into. Me: So someone who is willing to kill children is going to obey a law that says he can't use such-n-such weapon to do it? Them: you're a bad person and you should feel bad, these laws help the children. Think of the childreeeeeeennnnnnn!!!
 
2013-01-11 03:33:49 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Firearms enthusiasts, as a group, seem like the most pedantic people on the planet.


We pride ourselves on accuracy.

/If politicians were trying to regulate booze by first calling it poison, you'd be just as pedantic.
/I mean, its all got alcohol in it. How is Isopropyl not the same thing as Vodka?
 
2013-01-11 03:33:57 PM  

GanjSmokr: thurstonxhowell: Fail in Human Form: "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so". - Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes people on the internet make shiat up and then pretend someone famous said it." - George Jefferson

"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." - Martin Luther King Jr.

Is that better?


"The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly." Abraham Lincoln
 
2013-01-11 03:35:36 PM  

Muta: I think calling it 'gun safety' is a great idea.

We need to drug test everyone who buys a gun or ammunition. We don't want drug dealers and druggies from getting guns do we?


Good idea...we should also tie that in to owning and driving vehicles since cars and the regulation of is brought up by the anti RKBAers so much.

Everyone should be happy with this.
 
2013-01-11 03:35:40 PM  

GanjSmokr: thurstonxhowell: Fail in Human Form: "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so". - Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes people on the internet make shiat up and then pretend someone famous said it." - George Jefferson

"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." - Martin Luther King Jr.

Is that better?


"Fart hahahaha" - Martin Luther
 
2013-01-11 03:36:02 PM  
 
2013-01-11 03:37:37 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: What do you consider meaningful? Because an assault rifle ban isn't gonna do much to change the homicide rate.

I think it would.


This is the problem with the debate. The disconnect between needless action driven by emotion and effective action driven by facts and numbers.
 
2013-01-11 03:37:49 PM  

way south: Uranus Is Huge!: Firearms enthusiasts, as a group, seem like the most pedantic people on the planet.

We pride ourselves on accuracy.

/If politicians were trying to regulate booze by first calling it poison, you'd be just as pedantic.
/I mean, its all got alcohol in it. How is Isopropyl not the same thing as Vodka?


Mostly they call it Alcohol Regulation and nobody really freaks out.
 
2013-01-11 03:38:34 PM  
So what you're saying is, ban them all? Why do you hate the second amendment, commie?

If you want to have a discussion about banning guns, I'm happy to have it. Nobody on the "gun safety" side of the debate has the huevos to actually try to have that conversation though (even though it is what most of the vehement activists on that side really want).

The point is, an assault weapon ban is the biggest red herring in this entire discussion about what to do. Once the gun control side started talking about it, you put the gun nuts like my self into full up fight mode, and we have a pretty good record of winning, mostly because we play dirty and actually spend our own money to see our political viewpoint hammered into Congress. Most of the gun control support will revert to people not giving a flip in about 8 weeks time.
 
2013-01-11 03:38:39 PM  
Do any of you gun grabbers actually have a reasonable solution to this? Other than stepping up the mental illness business, nothing reasonable / logical / worthwhile has been proposed.
 
2013-01-11 03:39:14 PM  

CPennypacker: dr-shotgun: I think it would. It will lower the number of casualties at these farking mass shootings, anyway.

Out of America's 10 worst mass shootings, only 1 involved an assault rifle (Newton). Furthermore, the Newton shooter was in the building for 10 minutes and fired less than 100 rounds; the same damage could easily have been inflicted with the handguns or shotgun he carried, neither of which are being addressed by any of the proposed bans. The worst mass shooting in US history was committed with two handguns.

So no, an assault rifle ban won't have any meaningful impact on the number of people killed, either in mass shootings or in more traditional gun murders.

Nobody who is pro-gun control has ever addressed these facts (all of which are readily available with a bit of Google), and articulated a reason why Democratic politicians always seem to race to assault rifle bans as their first answer to solving gun crime. It is the least effective proposal with the most pushback from the gun community that could possibly be implemented.

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That chart is wrong.....normal hunting rifles have been used in mass shootings in this country in that time frame. They probably lumped them in with assault rifles. in order to inflate the stats....just like they lumped the newark school yard shooting in with mass shootings in their last chart...the victims were hacked and slashed with machetes....the gun was used to shoot the victims in the head after they were hacked and slashed and partially decapitated.
 
2013-01-11 03:39:20 PM  

EatenTheSun: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I don't care what they brand it as, as long as they get something meaningful done.

What do you consider meaningful? Because an assault rifle ban isn't gonna do much to change the homicide rate.


Well, since it's the only ban that anyone is willing to talk about, then it's the only thing on the table.
 
2013-01-11 03:40:39 PM  
"Every man has to believe in something. I believe I'll have a drink" - Winston Churchill.
 
2013-01-11 03:41:09 PM  

dr-shotgun: So what you're saying is, ban them all? Why do you hate the second amendment, commie?

If you want to have a discussion about banning guns, I'm happy to have it. Nobody on the "gun safety" side of the debate has the huevos to actually try to have that conversation though (even though it is what most of the vehement activists on that side really want).

The point is, an assault weapon ban is the biggest red herring in this entire discussion about what to do. Once the gun control side started talking about it, you put the gun nuts like my self into full up fight mode, and we have a pretty good record of winning, mostly because we play dirty and actually spend our own money to see our political viewpoint hammered into Congress. Most of the gun control support will revert to people not giving a flip in about 8 weeks time.


I'll have that conversation. Let's ban them!

Now you go.
 
2013-01-11 03:41:41 PM  

syrynxx: Gun ownership isn't a left-vs-right issue. Plenty of Democrats own firearms


and none of the democrats i know that own guns are sniveling little butthurt whiners who freak out at the slightest discussion of proper regulation of firearm ownership. the 2nd amendment doesn't say "any arms they want, with no conditions".
 
2013-01-11 03:41:55 PM  

GanjSmokr: thurstonxhowell: Fail in Human Form: "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so". - Thomas Jefferson

"Sometimes people on the internet make shiat up and then pretend someone famous said it." - George Jefferson

"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." - Martin Luther King Jr.

Is that better?


Yes. I would have also accepted the thing that TJ actually said that that "quote" was paraphrased from.

I've got some quibbles with the idea, too, but the misuse of quotation marks to make famous people say whatever you wish they would have said bothers me.
 
2013-01-11 03:42:00 PM  

syrynxx: hubiestubert:
We need to have a discussion in this country about crime. Causes. Prevention. Why folks turn to violent crime. How we can reduce the factors and conditions that make it an option.

That means having a meaningful discussion on education, mental health, and economic opportunity as well as drug policy.

That's like having a meaningful discussion on Crips vs. Bloods.  Are we really going to try to rearchitect black society so that males marry the mothers of their children and have them grow up with honest, job-holding role models so the youths don't succumb to peer pressure to join a gang?  That's dumber than suggesting 10-round magazines are going to change anything.


1. It seems white dudes are the ones shooting up the schools

2. My lily white father wasn't much of a dad, irresponsibility is not limited to one race

3. Why the fark do you NEED a clip with more than 10 rounds? You may WANT it, but you don't NEED it. I WANT a tiger..... I have a housecat.

/I'm about to start the National Tiger Association and buy me some lobbyists. Damnit, I should be able to have any thing I want!!!! *wahhhhh*
 
2013-01-11 03:43:20 PM  

Giltric: ...the victims were hacked and slashed with machetes....the gun was used to shoot the victims in the head after they were hacked and slashed and partially decapitated.


Oh, well that's definitely not gun-related violence then.
 
2013-01-11 03:44:00 PM  
From your cold, dead hands? Acceptable.

If you would die for a piece of metal, that should be enough of a flag to disallow ownership of firearms.
 
2013-01-11 03:44:26 PM  

Nadie_AZ: violentsalvation: Might as well re-brand it "gun appearance control".

We should put Sheriff Joe in charge. He is great at this sort of thing.


...He's already putting 3,000 volunteers with guns in his schools, starting Monday.

I wonder if the kids feel safer with some random stranger with a gun patrolling their halls.
 
2013-01-11 03:44:47 PM  
Well, since it's the only ban that anyone is willing to talk about, then it's the only thing on the table.

Perhaps the point is that banning things is a historically stupid strategy for dealing with social issues?

Since it worked so well for alcohol when we tried it.
Since it worked for abortions before Row v. Wade.
Since it works so well for drugs now.
Since gun bans have worked so well where they have been implemented in Europe.

How is a ban gonna work with 320 million firearms already in private hands, all of which will be grandfathered in? Or how will it work when 3D printing technology will make it easy for anyone to print a huge capacity magazine at home in a couple of years?

Bans never actually produce the results those calling for them intend. This issue is no different.
 
2013-01-11 03:45:18 PM  
Actually, how about an amendment sort of like the 21st? Turn over firearms regulation to state and local governments. Then we'll see what works and what doesn't.

Enthusiasts, please note that the words 'ban' and 'confiscate' appear nowhere in my post.

This should jibe well with the libertarian leanings of many of you.

/rubs hands together, waits for cognitive dissonance posts, hopes lib gun owners stay quiet.
 
2013-01-11 03:45:26 PM  

Kazan: syrynxx: Gun ownership isn't a left-vs-right issue. Plenty of Democrats own firearms

and none of the democrats i know that own guns are sniveling little butthurt whiners who freak out at the slightest discussion of proper regulation of firearm ownership. the 2nd amendment doesn't say "any arms they want, with no conditions".


Why dont you invite them to fark so we can discuss it with them instead of you discussing it for them?
 
2013-01-11 03:45:59 PM  

IlGreven: EatenTheSun: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I don't care what they brand it as, as long as they get something meaningful done.

What do you consider meaningful? Because an assault rifle ban isn't gonna do much to change the homicide rate.

Well, since it's the only ban that anyone is willing to talk about, then it's the only thing on the table.


Which is pretty much what this debate comes down to. It may be stupid and ineffective but we have to do something! For the children!
 
2013-01-11 03:48:25 PM  
I'll have that conversation. Let's ban them!

Now you go.


Go for it. I invite you to try. Start a PAC, collect donations and make your single issue a one line amendment to the constitution that repeals the 2nd Amendment.

Buy a really nice Arc'teryx jacket. They are super warm and durable. Your gonna need it for how far out in the wild your going to be.
 
2013-01-11 03:48:53 PM  

QueenMamaBee: I WANT a tiger..... I have a housecat.


Have a tiger then. I support your right to keep and bear tigers if you choose. But be responsible. If it were to hurt someone you are liable of course.

I don't believe firearms owners wish to divest themselves of that level of responsibility. But who am I to say you can't have one? Likewise for us.

/In all seriousness, it sounds like you don't really want one...you like the idea of having one for an afternoon or a week or whatever.
 
2013-01-11 03:48:56 PM  

QueenMamaBee: syrynxx: hubiestubert:
We need to have a discussion in this country about crime. Causes. Prevention. Why folks turn to violent crime. How we can reduce the factors and conditions that make it an option.

That means having a meaningful discussion on education, mental health, and economic opportunity as well as drug policy.

That's like having a meaningful discussion on Crips vs. Bloods.  Are we really going to try to rearchitect black society so that males marry the mothers of their children and have them grow up with honest, job-holding role models so the youths don't succumb to peer pressure to join a gang?  That's dumber than suggesting 10-round magazines are going to change anything.

1. It seems white dudes are the ones shooting up the schools

2. My lily white father wasn't much of a dad, irresponsibility is not limited to one race

3. Why the fark do you NEED a clip with more than 10 rounds? You may WANT it, but you don't NEED it. I WANT a tiger..... I have a housecat.

/I'm about to start the National Tiger Association and buy me some lobbyists. Damnit, I should be able to have any thing I want!!!! *wahhhhh*


In Atlanta last week a thug broke into a woman's home while she was there with her children. She ended up shooting him 5 times in the face at close range (she ran out of bullets) and he was still able to exit the house and drive a short distance away. Imagine if there were two or three people that broke in or if she had missed. Still think 10 is reasonable?
 
2013-01-11 03:49:03 PM  

IlGreven: Nadie_AZ: violentsalvation: Might as well re-brand it "gun appearance control".

We should put Sheriff Joe in charge. He is great at this sort of thing.

...He's already putting 3,000 volunteers with guns in his schools, starting Monday.

I wonder if the kids feel safer with some random stranger with a gun patrolling their halls.


Joe said they would deploy after they go through deputy training.

Do you know differently?
 
2013-01-11 03:49:15 PM  

Witty_Retort: From your cold, dead hands? Acceptable.

If you would die for a piece of metal, that should be enough of a flag to disallow ownership of firearms.


I thought it was the black plastic that scared you guys.
 
2013-01-11 03:49:34 PM  

QueenMamaBee: I WANT a tiger..... I have a housecat.

/I'm about to start the National Tiger Association and buy me some lobbyists. Damnit, I should be able to have any thing I want!!!! *wahhhhh*


Looks like you can have a tiger in Alabama...

Alabama

Category: N

Summary of Law: No person, firm, corporation, partnership or association may possess, sell, offer for sale, import or cause to be brought or imported into the state the following fish or animals: fish from the genus Clarias; fish from the genus Serrasalmus; Black carp; any species of mongoose, any member of the family Cervidae (deer, elk, moose, caribou), species of coyote, fox, raccoon, skunk, wild rodents or wild turkey. However, there are no requirements for a person possessing exotic animals, such as lions, tigers, monkeys, etc.


Link


There are probably other states as well but I didn't go past the first one. I don't want a tiger.
 
2013-01-11 03:49:44 PM  

dr-shotgun: Well, since it's the only ban that anyone is willing to talk about, then it's the only thing on the table.

Perhaps the point is that banning things is a historically stupid strategy for dealing with social issues?

Since it worked so well for alcohol when we tried it.
Since it worked for abortions before Row v. Wade.
Since it works so well for drugs now.
Since gun bans have worked so well where they have been implemented in Europe.

How is a ban gonna work with 320 million firearms already in private hands, all of which will be grandfathered in? Or how will it work when 3D printing technology will make it easy for anyone to print a huge capacity magazine at home in a couple of years?

Bans never actually produce the results those calling for them intend. This issue is no different.


Alcohol is very heavily taxed and regulated.
Abortion access is at an all time low. It is also very heavily regulated.
Prescription drugs are heavily regulated and access is limited. Where I live, weed will soon be regulated by the state.

There are only a few people arguing for bans. How about joining the grownups who want to talk about solution that WILL work?
 
2013-01-11 03:49:59 PM  
I've read perhaps 5,000 gun-comments on Fark in the last month or so. Not one person has proposed an action that would have prevented people from randomly killing other people. Perhaps the only actionable item that might deminish school shootings is to seek out an stop bullying in schools, though I do not know how.

Twenty killers a year would be about .00000007% of the population. Ferreting them out is, in my judgment, impossible.

Guns will always be accessible as long as there people with street-drug habits. I had two brothers-in-law who were druggies who regularly offered to sell me stolen guns; I wouldn't even let them know where their sister and I lived.
 
2013-01-11 03:50:00 PM  

Publikwerks: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Cold. Dead. Fingers.Cuts

Proper gun sub control is using two hands.
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Correct!

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NO!


Sandwich thread?
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Will be as productive as yet another gun control thread.
 
2013-01-11 03:50:55 PM  

dr-shotgun: I'll have that conversation. Let's ban them!

Now you go.

Go for it. I invite you to try. Start a PAC, collect donations and make your single issue a one line amendment to the constitution that repeals the 2nd Amendment.

Buy a really nice Arc'teryx jacket. They are super warm and durable. Your gonna need it for how far out in the wild your going to be.


Wait I thought you wanted to have a discussion? I thought I had the huevosTM to discuss a ban that you complained none of us libby libs had.

And we don't need to repeal the second amendment, we just need the court to overturn Heller.
 
2013-01-11 03:52:22 PM  
Not to mention that the control control crowd keeps tossing out that "common sense" bullshiat.
 
2013-01-11 03:53:22 PM  
Glancing Blow: Twenty killers a year would be about .00000007% of the population. Ferreting them out is, in my judgment, impossible.
 
2013-01-11 03:53:31 PM  
In Portland we just had a couple of knuckleheads walk around a neighborhood with semi auto rifles strung over their shoulders in hopes of "starting a discussion" about guns. This was fairly close to the mall that was shot up a couple of weeks ago.

So you can understand that this led instead to lots of concerned citizens calling the cops. A nearby school went into lockdown.

Gun rights advocates are the biggest threat to gun rights there is.
 
2013-01-11 03:53:42 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: dr-shotgun: Well, since it's the only ban that anyone is willing to talk about, then it's the only thing on the table.

Perhaps the point is that banning things is a historically stupid strategy for dealing with social issues?

Since it worked so well for alcohol when we tried it.
Since it worked for abortions before Row v. Wade.
Since it works so well for drugs now.
Since gun bans have worked so well where they have been implemented in Europe.

How is a ban gonna work with 320 million firearms already in private hands, all of which will be grandfathered in? Or how will it work when 3D printing technology will make it easy for anyone to print a huge capacity magazine at home in a couple of years?

Bans never actually produce the results those calling for them intend. This issue is no different.

Alcohol is very heavily taxed and regulated.
Abortion access is at an all time low. It is also very heavily regulated.
Prescription drugs are heavily regulated and access is limited. Where I live, weed will soon be regulated by the state.

There are only a few people arguing for bans. How about joining the grownups who want to talk about solution that WILL work?


Alchohol has a body count upwards of 100k a year...including children standing on the sidewalk that happen to be run over by a heavily regulated and licensed driver under the influence of of heavuly taxed and redulated alchohol
Prescription drug abuse has surpassed all other drugs to the point where bloomberg is thinking about restricting their use in hospitals.
A 13 year old girl can get an abortion no questions asked
 
2013-01-11 03:54:38 PM  

GanjSmokr: QueenMamaBee: I WANT a tiger..... I have a housecat.

/I'm about to start the National Tiger Association and buy me some lobbyists. Damnit, I should be able to have any thing I want!!!! *wahhhhh*

Looks like you can have a tiger in Alabama...

Alabama

Category: N

Summary of Law: No person, firm, corporation, partnership or association may possess, sell, offer for sale, import or cause to be brought or imported into the state the following fish or animals: fish from the genus Clarias; fish from the genus Serrasalmus; Black carp; any species of mongoose, any member of the family Cervidae (deer, elk, moose, caribou), species of coyote, fox, raccoon, skunk, wild rodents or wild turkey. However, there are no requirements for a person possessing exotic animals, such as lions, tigers, monkeys, etc.

Link


There are probably other states as well but I didn't go past the first one. I don't want a tiger.


But I'd have to live in Alabama. The derp in Kentucky is bad enough, I don't want to go further south.
 
2013-01-11 03:54:52 PM  

CPennypacker: dr-shotgun: I'll have that conversation. Let's ban them!

Now you go.

Go for it. I invite you to try. Start a PAC, collect donations and make your single issue a one line amendment to the constitution that repeals the 2nd Amendment.

Buy a really nice Arc'teryx jacket. They are super warm and durable. Your gonna need it for how far out in the wild your going to be.

Wait I thought you wanted to have a discussion? I thought I had the huevosTM to discuss a ban that you complained none of us libby libs had.

And we don't need to repeal the second amendment, we just need the court to overturn Heller roe v wade.


you sound like a fundie
 
2013-01-11 03:55:03 PM  

Silly Jesus: In Atlanta last week a thug broke into a woman's home while she was there with her children. She ended up shooting him 5 times in the face at close range (she ran out of bullets) and he was still able to exit the house and drive a short distance away. Imagine if there were two or three people that broke in or if she had missed. Still think 10 is reasonable?


I think that if there had been multiple people breaking in, she would not have gotten off the 5. She couldn't kill him with 5 so I am happy she ran out before she accidentally shot one of her kids.
 
2013-01-11 03:55:09 PM  
There are only a few people arguing for bans. How about joining the grownups who want to talk about solution that WILL work?

Funny. The President called for an "Assault Weapons Ban." Bills to ban "high capacity" magazines have been introduced in Congress. Biden has talked about an "Assault Weapons Ban." DiFi is waiting to introduce her "Assault Weapons Ban." CO, NY, IL and CT legislators have all introduced sweeping Bans of everything from assault rifles and magazines to every semi-automatic weapon. Some are even pushing for confiscation (Cuomo in NY).
 
2013-01-11 03:56:05 PM  
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2013-01-11 03:56:12 PM  

Blathering Idjut: In Portland we just had a couple of knuckleheads walk around a neighborhood with semi auto rifles strung over their shoulders in hopes of "starting a discussion" about guns. This was fairly close to the mall that was shot up a couple of weeks ago.

So you can understand that this led instead to lots of concerned citizens calling the cops. A nearby school went into lockdown.

Gun rights advocates are the biggest threat to gun rights there is.


While you may feel it's in poor taste, it's a way of being "in your face" with the issue and refusing to be demonized because of the actions of a murderer.
 
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