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(The New York Times)   Gamefly: we'd like to mail these games out, please. Postal Service: They could get caught in the sorting machines, so pay extra. Gamefly: You don't charge Netflix extra. Postal Service: um, do you need any stamps with Bart Simpson on them?   (nytimes.com) divider line 156
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2013-01-11 01:49:47 PM
Gamefly is owned by Gamestop and they destroyed Direct2Drive, they are dead to me. Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.
 
2013-01-11 02:02:26 PM
I still get my video games the old fashioned way.

By begging my mom for enough money to buy a used game cartridge from that guy at the swap meet.
 
2013-01-11 02:03:28 PM
Some companies are too big to fail, charge with a crime, or charge fair price.
 
2013-01-11 02:11:09 PM

BumpInTheNight: Gamefly is owned by Gamestop and they destroyed Direct2Drive, they are dead to me. Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.


Gamefly indeed purchased and merged with Direct2Drive, but I believe you're mistaken about Gamestop being an owner.
 
2013-01-11 02:11:57 PM
Given the stupid pension funding issue the USPS is dealing with, they should just say "Fine, we're raising rates on Netflix too."
 
2013-01-11 02:48:07 PM
I though "Because we can" was enshrined in the postal laws.
 
2013-01-11 02:49:41 PM

wambu: I though "Because we can" was enshrined in the postal laws.


I think you're thinking of the DMV
 
2013-01-11 02:49:54 PM

BumpInTheNight: Gamefly is owned by Gamestop and they destroyed Direct2Drive, they are dead to me. Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.


Yes, they have, but they call themselves "Owl City" these days.
 
2013-01-11 02:50:37 PM

Gig103: Given the stupid pension funding issue the USPS is dealing with, they should just say "Fine, we're raising rates on Netflix too."


Higher prices to mail netflix DVDs will only drive netflix customers to online delivery, meaning less mail for the USPS.

Companies give volume discounts all the time. I don't see how this is different.
 
2013-01-11 02:51:38 PM

exick: BumpInTheNight: Gamefly is owned by Gamestop and they destroyed Direct2Drive, they are dead to me. Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.

Gamefly indeed purchased and merged with Direct2Drive, but I believe you're mistaken about Gamestop being an owner.


Gamestop destroyed Impulse
 
2013-01-11 02:51:48 PM

BumpInTheNight: Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.


I like how UPS was using a song by The Postal Service in their TV ads.
 
2013-01-11 02:52:20 PM
cloudfront.omgubuntu.co.uk

Just give in, publishers. Save us all a lot of time and effort.
 
2013-01-11 02:52:59 PM
The reason Gamefly sucks is because any time a new game comes out, it's unavailable for weeks. So you keep putting games you only sort of want to play in your queue because you don't want to not have a game coming in... so you're playing the Toy Story game until some 12 year old kid works on his 5th prestige on Black Ops.
 
2013-01-11 02:52:59 PM
If I recall the reason the PO said it wouldn't give the same treatment for Gamefly was that their mailers aren't the same size and the volume they do with them doesn't justify the offset in cost. I was originally on the side of GF but after hearing more about it I can understand the PO point of view.
 
2013-01-11 02:53:13 PM
Netflix has a lot more volume than either gamefly or blockbuster.

// and red envelopes are easier to see :P
 
2013-01-11 02:54:34 PM
Netflix is paying $$$ in postage. If it wast for them, the Postal service would be in an even bigger hole than it is. They can't survive on Valu-pak coupons alone. They should be kissing Gamefly's cheeks, hoping they do as well.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:04 PM
Their pricing is surely affected by volume (or lack of in the case of Gamefly). Businesses do this all the time. While it might cost me $1 per widget in single quantities from a company, I might be able to buy a million at only $0.10 per widget.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:38 PM

jayhawk88: [cloudfront.omgubuntu.co.uk image 300x300]

Just give in, publishers. Save us all a lot of time and effort.


As one of the few people without internet at home, I'd rather we not go that route. I loved Steam when I had internet, don't get me wrong. But once I stopped having internet, suddenly a lot of my games could no longer be played. And even non-STEAM games that require internet only for authentication are stupid. I own Starcraft 2 and Assassin's creed and it sucks balls I can't play those anymore.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:40 PM

bhcompy: exick: BumpInTheNight: Gamefly is owned by Gamestop and they destroyed Direct2Drive, they are dead to me. Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.

Gamefly indeed purchased and merged with Direct2Drive, but I believe you're mistaken about Gamestop being an owner.

Gamestop destroyed Impulse


Impulse was great. Only thing about D2D that I got was Romance of the Three Kingdoms 11 because that was the only place I could get it.

/great farking game
//Impulse is still okay. Not my favorite but it still has my old library
 
2013-01-11 02:55:49 PM

BumpInTheNight: Gamefly is owned by Gamestop and they destroyed Direct2Drive, they are dead to me. Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.


I forgot about D2D....That was where I bought Civ3 and Farcry before switching to steam.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:56 PM

hutchkc: If I recall the reason the PO said it wouldn't give the same treatment for Gamefly was that their mailers aren't the same size and the volume they do with them doesn't justify the offset in cost. I was originally on the side of GF but after hearing more about it I can understand the PO point of view.


Yeah, I'd have to agree. Gamefly could always go to FedEx, UPS, or DHL and see if they'd cut them a break. One of the general business rules is, if you do a lot of volume you get a lower price.

/that being said, all non-profits and such should get the lowest rate since the PO is a public good
//for profit business though can pay, since it is for profit
 
2013-01-11 02:57:08 PM

jayhawk88: [cloudfront.omgubuntu.co.uk image 300x300]

Just give in, publishers. Save us all a lot of time and effort.


THREAD . OVER .

I will get the lights.
 
2013-01-11 02:57:53 PM
I thought the Postal Service was a subsidiary of NetFlix.
 
2013-01-11 02:58:10 PM

jayhawk88: [cloudfront.omgubuntu.co.uk image 300x300]

Just give in, publishers. Save us all a lot of time and effort.


i'd love to hate Steam, but I can't. Wanted to send a copy of XCOM to a buddy for Christmas. Not a freaking problem. Catch a decent sale and you're not lacking for something to do for months. I haven't even touched all the Civ games that I got in a package deal along with both Freedom Force games and all the older XCOM titles. I've only regretted buying DCS A-10 from them because it was such a non-fun sim.

/me goes off to play more Dragon Age
 
2013-01-11 03:00:03 PM
I never had this problem with my Atari cartridges.
 
2013-01-11 03:03:40 PM
Netflix and the USPS put a lot of work into making the Red envelopes move at the rate they needed to at the price they needed to. Hell, it is kind of a modern marvel what they did... a sort of postal system within the postal system. Gamefly wants to benefit from that work without making any accommodations to the system that Netflix established. Gamefly must have some very well paid lobbyists.
 
2013-01-11 03:05:37 PM
FTFA: "Gamefly, which sends rental video games DVDS"...

Maybe I'm just being nit-picky... But it just seems wrong to call game discs "DVDs". Technically XBox 360 games are DVDs... But PS3 games are BDs and Wii games are Optical Discs. It's probably just me, but it really bothers me.
 
2013-01-11 03:08:27 PM
The reason Gamefly sucks is because any time a new game comes out, it's unavailable for weeks. So you keep putting games you only sort of want to play in your queue because you don't want to not have a game coming in... so you're playing the Toy Story game until some 12 year old kid works on his 5th prestige on Black Ops.

Wrong, whenever there is a new game coming out I want, I always make sure that my queue is empty except for that game, and then a couple days after release I have it in mailbox.
 
2013-01-11 03:09:31 PM

vodka: Their pricing is surely affected by volume (or lack of in the case of Gamefly). Businesses do this all the time. While it might cost me $1 per widget in single quantities from a company, I might be able to buy a million at only $0.10 per widget.


That's the problem - the USPS isn't using volume as an excuse.  They're charging Gamefly for a service they provide to Netflix for free.

Volume discounts don't go down to "free."  Netflix isn't paying anything.
 
2013-01-11 03:10:04 PM

karmaceutical: Netflix and the USPS put a lot of work into making the Red envelopes move at the rate they needed to at the price they needed to. Hell, it is kind of a modern marvel what they did... a sort of postal system within the postal system. Gamefly wants to benefit from that work without making any accommodations to the system that Netflix established. Gamefly must have some very well paid lobbyists.


Gamefly is owned by Gamestop. Gamestop's entire business model is, from the ground up, designed to benefit from the work of others. This move should come as a surprise to no one.

On one hand I'm somewhat disappointed that the video game industry is actively seeking to end the resale of used games, on the other hand that move would put Gamestop out of business and seems well worth the effort.
 
2013-01-11 03:11:10 PM

Lsherm: vodka: Their pricing is surely affected by volume (or lack of in the case of Gamefly). Businesses do this all the time. While it might cost me $1 per widget in single quantities from a company, I might be able to buy a million at only $0.10 per widget.

That's the problem - the USPS isn't using volume as an excuse.  They're charging Gamefly for a service they provide to Netflix for free.

Volume discounts don't go down to "free."  Netflix isn't paying anything.


Have you done any research as to how exactly Netflix arrived at their current agreement with the postal service? Just wondering.
 
2013-01-11 03:11:18 PM

movieman_1979: wambu: I though "Because we can" was enshrined in the postal laws.

I think you're thinking of the DMV


Close but the DMV's motto is "Because we can't".
 
2013-01-11 03:13:04 PM

A Shambling Mound: On one hand I'm somewhat disappointed that the video game industry is actively seeking to end the resale of used games, on the other hand that move would put Gamestop out of business and seems well worth the effort.


Where else am I going to get paid $9 for a $60 game and then watch as they resell it for $55? Rick Harrison's place is in town but he doesn't buy video games except Battletoads.
 
2013-01-11 03:14:34 PM

tricycleracer: BumpInTheNight: Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.

I like how UPS was using a song by The Postal Service in their TV ads.


I've always wondered if that was unintentional, or a little "Haha, biatches" on UPS's part.
 
2013-01-11 03:16:01 PM

CthulhuCalling: jayhawk88: [cloudfront.omgubuntu.co.uk image 300x300]

Just give in, publishers. Save us all a lot of time and effort.

i'd love to hate Steam, but I can't. Wanted to send a copy of XCOM to a buddy for Christmas. Not a freaking problem. Catch a decent sale and you're not lacking for something to do for months. I haven't even touched all the Civ games that I got in a package deal along with both Freedom Force games and all the older XCOM titles. I've only regretted buying DCS A-10 from them because it was such a non-fun sim.

/me goes off to play more Dragon Age


We got my 12 year old cousin like 4 games he wanted for $20 during the Winter Sale.
 
2013-01-11 03:16:11 PM

jayhawk88: tricycleracer: BumpInTheNight: Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.

I like how UPS was using a song by The Postal Service in their TV ads.

I've always wondered if that was unintentional, or a little "Haha, biatches" on UPS's part.


I'd like to see how executives at Target reacted when told that the music in their pharmacy ad was by a band called Starfarker.
 
2013-01-11 03:16:13 PM

BumpInTheNight: Gamefly is owned by Gamestop and they destroyed Direct2Drive, they are dead to me. Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.


Direct2Drive destroyed itself.. shiatty service and games that have no DRM on Steam had install limits and DRM on Direct2Drive..
 
2013-01-11 03:17:06 PM
Just buy the game, you cheap bastards.
 
2013-01-11 03:17:10 PM

OutsiderJ: The reason Gamefly sucks is because any time a new game comes out, it's unavailable for weeks. So you keep putting games you only sort of want to play in your queue because you don't want to not have a game coming in... so you're playing the Toy Story game until some 12 year old kid works on his 5th prestige on Black Ops.

Wrong, whenever there is a new game coming out I want, I always make sure that my queue is empty except for that game, and then a couple days after release I have it in mailbox.


You had a far better experience than I did. I'd have nothing in my queue trying to get the newest game everyone wanted. Turned all the games I had in. Waited. Didn't get a copy for 2 weeks. I finally just put a game I was mildly interested in up in the queue. It came the next day, scratched and unplayable.

I just canceled. fark it. The better part of a month wasted.
 
2013-01-11 03:18:18 PM

movieman_1979: wambu: I though "Because we can" was enshrined in the postal laws.

I think you're thinking of the DMV


Nope, New Jersey State "Gubmint" Workers Union.
 
2013-01-11 03:19:10 PM

A Shambling Mound: Lsherm: vodka: Their pricing is surely affected by volume (or lack of in the case of Gamefly). Businesses do this all the time. While it might cost me $1 per widget in single quantities from a company, I might be able to buy a million at only $0.10 per widget.

That's the problem - the USPS isn't using volume as an excuse.  They're charging Gamefly for a service they provide to Netflix for free.

Volume discounts don't go down to "free."  Netflix isn't paying anything.

Have you done any research as to how exactly Netflix arrived at their current agreement with the postal service? Just wondering.


Yeah, read the farking court decision here.  The USPS never charged Netflix even though it was recommended in 2007.  Their own employees knew it was bullshiat.

Read the whole thing.
 
2013-01-11 03:19:35 PM

lennavan: Gig103: Given the stupid pension funding issue the USPS is dealing with, they should just say "Fine, we're raising rates on Netflix too."

Higher prices to mail netflix DVDs will only drive netflix customers to online delivery, meaning less mail for the USPS.

Companies give volume discounts all the time. I don't see how this is different.


I see we are done here. Good day.
 
2013-01-11 03:21:20 PM

Begoggle: Just buy the game, you cheap bastards.


Not every game is worth buying, especially if you can plat it in a week or two.
 
2013-01-11 03:22:10 PM
CCCarni:
Maybe I'm just being nit-picky... But it just seems wrong to call game discs "DVDs". Technically XBox 360 games are DVDs... But PS3 games are BDs and Wii games are Optical Discs. It's probably just me, but it really bothers me.


You're reading too much into the statement. Taken down to the pure logical face value.

Statement: "Gamefly, which sends rental video games DVDS"...

Now, does gamefly send rental video games (sic) DVDs? => true

The statement doesn't try to state that that's the only type of thing they send, it's not formatted as a listing. It's technically correct, if nonspecific. But the article obviously wasn't meant for tech minded folks like us.

// They also rent DS games, which are carts, not discs.
 
2013-01-11 03:23:33 PM

A Shambling Mound: Lsherm: vodka: Their pricing is surely affected by volume (or lack of in the case of Gamefly). Businesses do this all the time. While it might cost me $1 per widget in single quantities from a company, I might be able to buy a million at only $0.10 per widget.

That's the problem - the USPS isn't using volume as an excuse.  They're charging Gamefly for a service they provide to Netflix for free.

Volume discounts don't go down to "free."  Netflix isn't paying anything.

Have you done any research as to how exactly Netflix arrived at their current agreement with the postal service? Just wondering.


Clearly, LSherm has a GED in Logistics.
 
2013-01-11 03:26:54 PM

tricycleracer: jayhawk88: tricycleracer: BumpInTheNight: Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.

I like how UPS was using a song by The Postal Service in their TV ads.

I've always wondered if that was unintentional, or a little "Haha, biatches" on UPS's part.

I'd like to see how executives at Target reacted when told that the music in their pharmacy ad was by a band called Starfarker.


The Doritos Taco Bell commercials using "Take a Walk" by Passion Pit, was an interesting choice to me. Not directly ironic or anything, but still not exactly a song that says "Go out and buy some tacos".
 
2013-01-11 03:27:51 PM

movieman_1979: wambu: I though "Because we can" was enshrined in the postal laws.

I think you're thinking of the DMV


No, I recall that one as being "Because we won't. Next in line."
 
2013-01-11 03:29:08 PM

lennavan: I own lease Starcraft 2 and Assassin's creed and it sucks balls I can't play those anymore.


The first mistake is thinking you "own" the game. You never did and according to the Terms - you never will either.
 
2013-01-11 03:29:58 PM

jayhawk88: tricycleracer: jayhawk88: tricycleracer: BumpInTheNight: Besides the Postal Service hasn't released an album in years.

I like how UPS was using a song by The Postal Service in their TV ads.

I've always wondered if that was unintentional, or a little "Haha, biatches" on UPS's part.

I'd like to see how executives at Target reacted when told that the music in their pharmacy ad was by a band called Starfarker.

The Doritos Taco Bell commercials using "Take a Walk" by Passion Pit, was an interesting choice to me. Not directly ironic or anything, but still not exactly a song that says "Go out and buy some tacos".


I still find it as funny as I did in 11th grade when people set schmaltzy "retrospectives" to the dulcet tones of Green Day's "Good Riddance".

// they had a "goodbye, seniors" sildeshow set to that song, and I could not stop laughing
 
2013-01-11 03:31:18 PM

A Shambling Mound: karmaceutical: Netflix and the USPS put a lot of work into making the Red envelopes move at the rate they needed to at the price they needed to. Hell, it is kind of a modern marvel what they did... a sort of postal system within the postal system. Gamefly wants to benefit from that work without making any accommodations to the system that Netflix established. Gamefly must have some very well paid lobbyists.

Gamefly is owned by Gamestop. Gamestop's entire business model is, from the ground up, designed to benefit from the work of others. This move should come as a surprise to no one.

On one hand I'm somewhat disappointed that the video game industry is actively seeking to end the resale of used games, on the other hand that move would put Gamestop out of business and seems well worth the effort.


In early 2002, Sean Spector and Jung Suh partnered with founding CEO Toby Lenk to start GameFly. GameFly later received venture capital funding from Sequoia Capital. [2] In February 2009, GameFly acquired the gaming news and community site Shacknews, along with its digital download and streaming video[3]

Not one mention of gamestop anywhere. Still privately held.
 
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