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(NYPost)   Best director Oscar snubs for "Zero Dark Thirty" and "Argo" send a clear message: make a movie in which Americans act heroically against Islamic enemies of the United States, and you lose   (nypost.com) divider line 31
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2013-01-11 12:57:42 PM
9 votes:
"Conservative" media before release of Zero Dark Thirty: "We must boycott this love letter to Fartbama to send a mesage to the Hollyweird Homocrats!"

"Conservative" media after release of Zero Dark Thirty: "Why do Hollyweird Homocrats refuse to properly acknowledge the greatness of this film?!?"
2013-01-11 01:45:42 PM
5 votes:
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2013-01-11 03:33:19 PM
3 votes:

gilgigamesh: kronicfeld: gilgigamesh: I'm just pissed they snubbed Django Unchained.

It's nominated for best picture and Christolph Waltz is nominated for best supporting actor. How is that a snub?

Its a snub because I'm an idiot.

You're right; I heard Tarantino didn't get a best director nod and must have misunderstood.


Tarantino SHOULD have received a best director nod, though. Every time he makes a movie I come out of the theater swearing he has the American zeitgeist locked in his basement, where he beats it until it tells him exactly what we all want, deep in our black little hearts, to really see.
2013-01-11 01:56:00 PM
3 votes:
Zero Dark Thirty was pro-Obama nonsense about "him getting Osama"... until it wasn't.
2013-01-11 12:34:58 PM
3 votes:
It's OK sir I'm from the internet. This is a textbook case of butthurt. Take three tequila shots, get the hell over yourself and call me in the morning
2013-01-11 03:52:17 PM
2 votes:

make me some tea: Correct. I think many people see it as black and white, and it's not. We've tortured people and have gotten some actionable intel from doing so.


But not in this case- the movie is wrong, though not by any deliberate measures on the part of the people who made it. The reason the Senate is investigating is because a lot of this movie was made in close collaboration with CIA sources, and the Senate Intelligence Committee wants to know if the CIA deliberately lied to the producers of this movie to justify their torture program.

Basically, a bunch of senators with bipartisan cred thinks the CIA was deliberately trying to distort the popular perception of the historical record to make themselves and their torture program look good.
2013-01-11 02:20:08 PM
2 votes:

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Agrees


One of the few Oscar snubs that really pissed me off.  Same when he lost for Apollo 13.  I think in that case they were just scared to give it to the same actor three years in a row, since he'd won previously for Philadelphia and Forrest Gump.  Tom Hanks should have 4 Oscars.  He's just that damn good.
2013-01-11 01:56:08 PM
2 votes:
John Podhoretz is the son of the infamous Norman Podhoretz, the original architect of that disgusting failure of an ideology called  "NeoConserativism." John's just pissed that his shipments of Iraqi children's blood have been falling off as of late. His father was a prize too, only going on interview shows if he got to exclude any other guests who disagreed or debated him. Not surprisingly, the son inherited the father's job at Commentary in a gross act of incestuous psuedo-intellectual nepotism.
2013-01-11 12:57:48 PM
2 votes:

kronicfeld: Christolph Waltz is nominated for best supporting actor


and deserves to win
2013-01-11 12:50:59 PM
2 votes:
Moonrise Kingdom is the one that should have more nominations.
2013-01-11 12:42:24 PM
2 votes:
The movies have twelve nominations between them. But, right, I'm sure being left out of ONE category is irrefutable proof that Hollywood is anti-American. In no way does this argument make you look like a raving, right-wing lunatic.

/edited for redundancy.
2013-01-12 08:41:08 AM
1 votes:

MFL: MFL: Lincoln will win. It should win. DDL was amazing.

That being said we all know what comes after this dog and pony show.....another wave of media sycophants attempting to use Lincoln and Obama in the same sentence as many times as possible.

Slaves2Darkness Yeah I mean it is not like they were both from Illinois, both widely unpopular with southerners, both had an opposition party that considered their election to presidency illegitimate or that both did not have to deal with the raising sentiment of succession from the southern states.

1. Obama is from Hawaii. He was handed a political opportunity in Chicago and took it.
2. Nobody thinks his election is illegitimate other than a few kooks you libs love to prop up 3
3. Nobody is seriously thinking of succession. It's just a stupid protest to make a point.

Exploiting everything and anything for political gain what democrats do. I understand that.... but this is getting really dumb.


A hundred and fifty years later and the southern states are spewing the same shiat all over again.

Really?

There is nothing in common there. Obama is not at war with the south. He's at "war" with everyone outside of his urban "get out the vote" machine.



Where would you draw the battle lines?


Um, maybe where the majority of you live?
2013-01-12 08:34:37 AM
1 votes:

cptjeff: make me some tea: Correct. I think many people see it as black and white, and it's not. We've tortured people and have gotten some actionable intel from doing so.

But not in this case- the movie is wrong, though not by any deliberate measures on the part of the people who made it. The reason the Senate is investigating is because a lot of this movie was made in close collaboration with CIA sources, and the Senate Intelligence Committee wants to know if the CIA deliberately lied to the producers of this movie to justify their torture program.

Basically, a bunch of senators with bipartisan cred thinks the CIA was deliberately trying to distort the popular perception of the historical record to make themselves and their torture program look good.


Weerll, both Argo and Zero Dark Thirty deliberately change key events to make them more acceptable for mainstream Americans, and justify that by saying well, it's a fictionalized account. Unfortunately a LOT of people will accept them as close enough to the truth and be misinformed despite any disclaimers.
2013-01-12 12:55:19 AM
1 votes:
FTFA: "Zero Dark Thirty" has come under criticism because it features scenes in which an American interrogator uses so-called "harsh techniques" like waterboarding against an al Qaeda operative. The operative isn't punished for his actions, nor are those actions questioned by his colleagues - so journalists who have spent a decade attacking the War on Terror for its cruel depradations have expressed disgust at Bigelow's handling of what they view as torture.

I'm sorry. Isn't Bigelow's movie supposed to be based on the true story? Haven't we been torturing people during this war on terror? Are we now to the point where "journalists" are deciding on our behalf what we should be seeing in movies?
2013-01-11 06:26:49 PM
1 votes:

MFL: MFL: Obama (...) is at "war" with everyone outside of his urban "get out the vote" machine.


Obama's not at war with anyone (excluding al Qaeda). One of the main gripes that the libbier libs have had with Obama is that he hasn't busted the right wing's balls. Obama is a centrist compromiser. The whole "at war" thing is you, projecting.

Good luck with that.
2013-01-11 06:14:47 PM
1 votes:

MFL: He's at "war" with everyone outside of his urban "get out the vote" machine.


Yeah, it must really suck that cities have such high concentrations of people. Damn that Obama! Derp!
2013-01-11 06:10:29 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: Brick-House: 0bama wasn't in it!!!

i guess i don't get the 0bama thing. do you use a zero instead of an 'o' because you think the president is an "empty suit?" just curious.


He's a douchebag.There's not much to it.
2013-01-11 03:51:16 PM
1 votes:

MFL: Lincoln will win. It should win. DDL was amazing.

That being said we all know what comes after this dog and pony show.....another wave of media sycophants attempting to use Lincoln and Obama in the same sentence as many times as possible.


Yeah I mean it is not like they were both from Illinois, both widely unpopular with southerners, both had an opposition party that considered their election to presidency illegitimate or that both did not have to deal with the raising sentiment of succession from the southern states.

A hundred and fifty years later and the southern states are spewing the same shiat all over again.
2013-01-11 03:43:36 PM
1 votes:
People keep freaking out about the movies that were nominated for Best Picture but not Best Director. Hint: There are 5 movies up for Best Director, and 10 for best picture. I don't understand how people don't get it.
2013-01-11 03:42:07 PM
1 votes:
I thought that Zero Dark Thirty was a thinly-veiled propaganda piece aimed at boosting the Failure in Chief's sagging poll numbers during the last election season? Make up your minds conservatives, I can't keep up.
2013-01-11 03:38:35 PM
1 votes:
Israeli propaganda films, in our Hollywood?
2013-01-11 02:43:01 PM
1 votes:

AmazinTim: coco ebert: make me some tea

Overall, did you find the movie more right-wing or left-wing in its depiction of torture (it is sad that we even have a divided population on this issue but I digress).

One interesting thing about this movie was that it was entirely morally ambivalent. It had no opinions. It wasn't left or right, right or wrong, it just was.

When the torturing went away, it became operationally more difficult to get information, and the information that ultimately led to UBL's death came from the detainee program.


Yes, IMHO, they did a fine job of making it apolitical. I appreciated that. It leaves the moral judgment up to the viewer. I'm rather confused by people who are trying to turn it into a political football, because it really isn't. This is what happened, this is how it happened, it's up to you to feel bad, good or indifferent about it
2013-01-11 02:30:09 PM
1 votes:
I saw Zero Dark Thirty and would have been far more impressed if it was a more honest film. Like Osama bin Laden was created and supported by the US in the first place. Kinda takes away from the whole "good vs. evil" bullshiat in that film.

I remember another line from that film that made me laugh. The main lead actress said something like she was hired by the CIA right out of high school, it was her first job. I think she was saying it to some Chief of Defense guy in a cafeteria...hired right out of high school huh? And your first job was being present in CIA torture sessions in "Black Ops" areas?

One hell of a apprenticeship program you're running there, CIA.

Anyways, fark that film.
2013-01-11 02:21:00 PM
1 votes:

AmazinTim: Saw it as well last weekend, felt they could have cut an easy twenty minutes off of it. I also wouldn't have minded some sort of briefing scene before the mission. I found the entire take down very confusing as far as where the teams were and which doors they were breaking down etc. A 90 second briefing going over the mission, the compound etc would have made the final sequence a lot more coherent. Also, **SPOILERS**I got very confused when half of the reason for attacking the compound was because they determined there was a third man living there, and in the mission they killed 4 men, they popped the third guy and I assumed it was UBL and then they kept going.


Hmm. I didn't have much trouble following it, I think it accurately captured the ordered chaos of the operation, but yeah a briefing could've helped. I think they also showed too much of the torture. About half of that would've been enough to get the point across. Minor criticisms, though.

AmazinTim: There was a genuine sense of relief and loss at the end which i appreciated as well.


That's the description I was looking for, thanks.
2013-01-11 02:17:47 PM
1 votes:

WalkingCarpet: I saw it, thought it was very good.  Didn't affect me the same way but I appreciated it as an excellent piece of filmmaking that managed to make something that could have been very boring very interesting.

Then again I love movies that get into the intricacies of how the government (specifically the CIA/FBI) works on a nitty gritty level.


I tend to get really emotional over 9/11-related stuff, so it's probably me. I wept the night Obama announced he'd been killed, too.

I think what struck me was that the killing of OBL was justice coming due, but it wasn't any sort of triumph. There's nothing to be happy about with any of this business.
2013-01-11 02:14:54 PM
1 votes:

make me some tea: I saw ZDT last weekend and it was fantastic. (early release in NYC)

I'm interested in hearing people's opinions of the movie  after seeing it. Has anyone here seen it yet?

I found it unexpectedly emotional. It left me in a very strange, complicated mental state. I was actually weeping as the credits rolled. Not sure if anyone else in the theater felt that way, but I did.


Saw it as well last weekend, felt they could have cut an easy twenty minutes off of it. I also wouldn't have minded some sort of briefing scene before the mission. I found the entire take down very confusing as far as where the teams were and which doors they were breaking down etc. A 90 second briefing going over the mission, the compound etc would have made the final sequence a lot more coherent. Also, **SPOILERS**I got very confused when half of the reason for attacking the compound was because they determined there was a third man living there, and in the mission they killed 4 men, they popped the third guy and I assumed it was UBL and then they kept going.

Aside from that I found the movie incredibly frustrating, which is to say the plight of the main character was often full of frustrating and tedious methods and dead-ends, so it succeeded in the respect. There was a genuine sense of relief and loss at the end which i appreciated as well.
2013-01-11 01:49:52 PM
1 votes:

Blues_X: Moonrise Kingdom is the one that should have more nominations.


This.  Loved it.  Every second.
2013-01-11 01:39:52 PM
1 votes:
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2013-01-11 12:48:35 PM
1 votes:
Someone had to work to find something to be offended about this morning for their column and it shows.
2013-01-11 12:44:46 PM
1 votes:
I'm just pissed they snubbed Django Unchained.
2013-01-11 12:40:11 PM
1 votes:
These assholes get butthurt about everything these days.

Sheesh, chill out already, sometimes a duck is just a farking duck and not some vast liberal conspiracy to shiat on America.
 
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