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(NYPost)   Best director Oscar snubs for "Zero Dark Thirty" and "Argo" send a clear message: make a movie in which Americans act heroically against Islamic enemies of the United States, and you lose   (nypost.com) divider line 153
    More: Obvious, John Podhoretz, United States, National Board of Review, Americans, Directors Guild of America, Iranian Hostage Crisis, Naomi Wolf, Leni Riefenstahl  
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2013-01-11 12:34:58 PM
It's OK sir I'm from the internet. This is a textbook case of butthurt. Take three tequila shots, get the hell over yourself and call me in the morning
 
2013-01-11 12:40:11 PM
These assholes get butthurt about everything these days.

Sheesh, chill out already, sometimes a duck is just a farking duck and not some vast liberal conspiracy to shiat on America.
 
2013-01-11 12:42:24 PM
The movies have twelve nominations between them. But, right, I'm sure being left out of ONE category is irrefutable proof that Hollywood is anti-American. In no way does this argument make you look like a raving, right-wing lunatic.

/edited for redundancy.
 
2013-01-11 12:44:46 PM
I'm just pissed they snubbed Django Unchained.
 
2013-01-11 12:46:26 PM

gilgigamesh: I'm just pissed they snubbed Django Unchained.


It's nominated for best picture and Christolph Waltz is nominated for best supporting actor. How is that a snub?
 
2013-01-11 12:48:35 PM
Someone had to work to find something to be offended about this morning for their column and it shows.
 
2013-01-11 12:50:06 PM

kronicfeld: gilgigamesh: I'm just pissed they snubbed Django Unchained.

It's nominated for best picture and Christolph Waltz is nominated for best supporting actor. How is that a snub?


Its a snub because I'm an idiot.

You're right; I heard Tarantino didn't get a best director nod and must have misunderstood.
 
2013-01-11 12:50:59 PM
Moonrise Kingdom is the one that should have more nominations.
 
2013-01-11 12:57:42 PM
"Conservative" media before release of Zero Dark Thirty: "We must boycott this love letter to Fartbama to send a mesage to the Hollyweird Homocrats!"

"Conservative" media after release of Zero Dark Thirty: "Why do Hollyweird Homocrats refuse to properly acknowledge the greatness of this film?!?"
 
2013-01-11 12:57:48 PM

kronicfeld: Christolph Waltz is nominated for best supporting actor


and deserves to win
 
2013-01-11 01:02:08 PM

sigdiamond2000: Hollyweird Homocrats


This is now the name for my band.

Seems like I get a new one out of this site every week....
 
2013-01-11 01:39:25 PM
Man, I was waiting for the inevitable conservative butthurt over the Oscar noms, but I figured it would come from outrage about the French subtitles or the movie about global warming.
 
2013-01-11 01:39:52 PM
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2013-01-11 01:44:27 PM
Or it could just be that neither of those movies is very good.

Haven't seen ZeroDarkThirty yet but Argo was boring as all hell. I'd rather have seen the sci fi movie they were pretending to make.
 
2013-01-11 01:45:42 PM
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2013-01-11 01:49:52 PM

Blues_X: Moonrise Kingdom is the one that should have more nominations.


This.  Loved it.  Every second.
 
2013-01-11 01:50:13 PM

sigdiamond2000: "Conservative" media before release of Zero Dark Thirty: "We must boycott this love letter to Fartbama to send a mesage to the Hollyweird Homocrats!"

"Conservative" media after release of Zero Dark Thirty: "Why do Hollyweird Homocrats refuse to properly acknowledge the greatness of this film?!?"



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2013-01-11 01:50:43 PM
I saw ZDT last weekend and it was fantastic. (early release in NYC)

I'm interested in hearing people's opinions of the movie  after seeing it. Has anyone here seen it yet?

I found it unexpectedly emotional. It left me in a very strange, complicated mental state. I was actually weeping as the credits rolled. Not sure if anyone else in the theater felt that way, but I did.
 
2013-01-11 01:53:25 PM

make me some tea: I was actually weeping


babby!
 
2013-01-11 01:54:58 PM

basemetal: make me some tea: I was actually weeping

babby!


/Saving Private Ryan really made my allergies stir.....
 
2013-01-11 01:56:00 PM
Zero Dark Thirty was pro-Obama nonsense about "him getting Osama"... until it wasn't.
 
2013-01-11 01:56:08 PM
John Podhoretz is the son of the infamous Norman Podhoretz, the original architect of that disgusting failure of an ideology called  "NeoConserativism." John's just pissed that his shipments of Iraqi children's blood have been falling off as of late. His father was a prize too, only going on interview shows if he got to exclude any other guests who disagreed or debated him. Not surprisingly, the son inherited the father's job at Commentary in a gross act of incestuous psuedo-intellectual nepotism.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:09 PM

make me some tea: I saw ZDT last weekend and it was fantastic. (early release in NYC)

I'm interested in hearing people's opinions of the movie  after seeing it. Has anyone here seen it yet?


I saw it, thought it was very good.  Didn't affect me the same way but I appreciated it as an excellent piece of filmmaking that managed to make something that could have been very boring very interesting.

Then again I love movies that get into the intricacies of how the government (specifically the CIA/FBI) works on a nitty gritty level.
 
2013-01-11 01:58:28 PM

GAT_00: Someone had to work to find something to be offended about this morning for their column and it shows.


Ol' Johnny and his papa have a lot of experience in that department. They'd openly like to start WWIII with Iran. I'm not kidding.
 
2013-01-11 02:12:02 PM

basemetal: basemetal: make me some tea: I was actually weeping

babby!

/Saving Private Ryan really made my allergies stir.....


Damn straight.
 
2013-01-11 02:14:54 PM

make me some tea: I saw ZDT last weekend and it was fantastic. (early release in NYC)

I'm interested in hearing people's opinions of the movie  after seeing it. Has anyone here seen it yet?

I found it unexpectedly emotional. It left me in a very strange, complicated mental state. I was actually weeping as the credits rolled. Not sure if anyone else in the theater felt that way, but I did.


Saw it as well last weekend, felt they could have cut an easy twenty minutes off of it. I also wouldn't have minded some sort of briefing scene before the mission. I found the entire take down very confusing as far as where the teams were and which doors they were breaking down etc. A 90 second briefing going over the mission, the compound etc would have made the final sequence a lot more coherent. Also, **SPOILERS**I got very confused when half of the reason for attacking the compound was because they determined there was a third man living there, and in the mission they killed 4 men, they popped the third guy and I assumed it was UBL and then they kept going.

Aside from that I found the movie incredibly frustrating, which is to say the plight of the main character was often full of frustrating and tedious methods and dead-ends, so it succeeded in the respect. There was a genuine sense of relief and loss at the end which i appreciated as well.
 
2013-01-11 02:15:29 PM
I thought Ben Affleck was a socialist.  Why should anyone reward him with anything?
 
2013-01-11 02:17:47 PM

WalkingCarpet: I saw it, thought it was very good.  Didn't affect me the same way but I appreciated it as an excellent piece of filmmaking that managed to make something that could have been very boring very interesting.

Then again I love movies that get into the intricacies of how the government (specifically the CIA/FBI) works on a nitty gritty level.


I tend to get really emotional over 9/11-related stuff, so it's probably me. I wept the night Obama announced he'd been killed, too.

I think what struck me was that the killing of OBL was justice coming due, but it wasn't any sort of triumph. There's nothing to be happy about with any of this business.
 
2013-01-11 02:20:08 PM

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One of the few Oscar snubs that really pissed me off.  Same when he lost for Apollo 13.  I think in that case they were just scared to give it to the same actor three years in a row, since he'd won previously for Philadelphia and Forrest Gump.  Tom Hanks should have 4 Oscars.  He's just that damn good.
 
2013-01-11 02:21:00 PM

AmazinTim: Saw it as well last weekend, felt they could have cut an easy twenty minutes off of it. I also wouldn't have minded some sort of briefing scene before the mission. I found the entire take down very confusing as far as where the teams were and which doors they were breaking down etc. A 90 second briefing going over the mission, the compound etc would have made the final sequence a lot more coherent. Also, **SPOILERS**I got very confused when half of the reason for attacking the compound was because they determined there was a third man living there, and in the mission they killed 4 men, they popped the third guy and I assumed it was UBL and then they kept going.


Hmm. I didn't have much trouble following it, I think it accurately captured the ordered chaos of the operation, but yeah a briefing could've helped. I think they also showed too much of the torture. About half of that would've been enough to get the point across. Minor criticisms, though.

AmazinTim: There was a genuine sense of relief and loss at the end which i appreciated as well.


That's the description I was looking for, thanks.
 
2013-01-11 02:30:03 PM
make me some tea

Overall, did you find the movie more right-wing or left-wing in its depiction of torture (it is sad that we even have a divided population on this issue but I digress).
 
2013-01-11 02:30:09 PM
I saw Zero Dark Thirty and would have been far more impressed if it was a more honest film. Like Osama bin Laden was created and supported by the US in the first place. Kinda takes away from the whole "good vs. evil" bullshiat in that film.

I remember another line from that film that made me laugh. The main lead actress said something like she was hired by the CIA right out of high school, it was her first job. I think she was saying it to some Chief of Defense guy in a cafeteria...hired right out of high school huh? And your first job was being present in CIA torture sessions in "Black Ops" areas?

One hell of a apprenticeship program you're running there, CIA.

Anyways, fark that film.
 
2013-01-11 02:30:51 PM
Or, could be, ya know, it's not a perfect system, and sometimes things like this happen, eg The Color Purple not winning a single category...

Nope, it must be those libby libetard liberal homowood types...
 
2013-01-11 02:32:20 PM
Oh, and I saw Argo too. Bored me to tears. Important rule in filmaking: if you're setting is in Canada, or you're depicting Canadians, it's gonna be boring.
 
2013-01-11 02:36:38 PM

coco ebert: make me some tea

Overall, did you find the movie more right-wing or left-wing in its depiction of torture (it is sad that we even have a divided population on this issue but I digress).


One interesting thing about this movie was that it was entirely morally ambivalent. It had no opinions. It wasn't left or right, right or wrong, it just was.

When the torturing went away, it became operationally more difficult to get information, and the information that ultimately led to UBL's death came from the detainee program.
 
2013-01-11 02:43:01 PM

AmazinTim: coco ebert: make me some tea

Overall, did you find the movie more right-wing or left-wing in its depiction of torture (it is sad that we even have a divided population on this issue but I digress).

One interesting thing about this movie was that it was entirely morally ambivalent. It had no opinions. It wasn't left or right, right or wrong, it just was.

When the torturing went away, it became operationally more difficult to get information, and the information that ultimately led to UBL's death came from the detainee program.


Yes, IMHO, they did a fine job of making it apolitical. I appreciated that. It leaves the moral judgment up to the viewer. I'm rather confused by people who are trying to turn it into a political football, because it really isn't. This is what happened, this is how it happened, it's up to you to feel bad, good or indifferent about it
 
2013-01-11 02:45:35 PM

make me some tea: AmazinTim: coco ebert: make me some tea

Overall, did you find the movie more right-wing or left-wing in its depiction of torture (it is sad that we even have a divided population on this issue but I digress).

One interesting thing about this movie was that it was entirely morally ambivalent. It had no opinions. It wasn't left or right, right or wrong, it just was.

When the torturing went away, it became operationally more difficult to get information, and the information that ultimately led to UBL's death came from the detainee program.

Yes, IMHO, they did a fine job of making it apolitical. I appreciated that. It leaves the moral judgment up to the viewer. I'm rather confused by people who are trying to turn it into a political football, because it really isn't. This is what happened, this is how it happened, it's up to you to feel bad, good or indifferent about it


(for the record I think the whole business sucks and shouldn't have happened, but I also understand how anger and a national desire for revenge for 9/11 put our country in such a dark place where we actually, for a time, thought these methods were necessary and useful)
 
2013-01-11 02:49:32 PM

AmazinTim: coco ebert: make me some tea

Overall, did you find the movie more right-wing or left-wing in its depiction of torture (it is sad that we even have a divided population on this issue but I digress).

One interesting thing about this movie was that it was entirely morally ambivalent. It had no opinions. It wasn't left or right, right or wrong, it just was.

When the torturing went away, it became operationally more difficult to get information, and the information that ultimately led to UBL's death came from the detainee program.


Well, the whole "torture never works and therefore we shouldn't do it" argument was always weaksauce anyway. We should be morally opposed to it, not just against it for pragmatic reasons.
 
2013-01-11 02:50:11 PM

make me some tea: I'm rather confused by people who are trying to turn it into a political football, because it really isn't.


I know you've been on Fark far too long for that to be true!  ;-)
 
2013-01-11 02:51:20 PM

coco ebert: Well, the whole "torture never works and therefore we shouldn't do it" argument was always weaksauce anyway. We should be morally opposed to it, not just against it for pragmatic reasons.


While very true, it's still a good "at the end of the day" type argument.  Since efficacy is the last ditch argument to justify it.
 
2013-01-11 02:59:14 PM

coco ebert: AmazinTim: coco ebert: make me some tea

Overall, did you find the movie more right-wing or left-wing in its depiction of torture (it is sad that we even have a divided population on this issue but I digress).

One interesting thing about this movie was that it was entirely morally ambivalent. It had no opinions. It wasn't left or right, right or wrong, it just was.

When the torturing went away, it became operationally more difficult to get information, and the information that ultimately led to UBL's death came from the detainee program.

Well, the whole "torture never works and therefore we shouldn't do it" argument was always weaksauce anyway. We should be morally opposed to it, not just against it for pragmatic reasons.


Correct. I think many people see it as black and white, and it's not. We've tortured people and have gotten some actionable intel from doing so. It doesn't make it right, and we don't have to feel good about it, and it's good that we've stopped doing it now. The years after 9/11 put us into an unusual mental state.

Could we have gotten that intel another way? Maybe? Probably? Unlikely? Who knows. Did the terrorists win? Well, I think they got a good rise out of us, and it's probably what they were after, for better or for worse.
 
2013-01-11 03:00:13 PM

Diogenes: make me some tea: I'm rather confused by people who are trying to turn it into a political football, because it really isn't.

I know you've been on Fark far too long for that to be true!  ;-)


Didn't say it was unexpected. Irrational, yes.
 
2013-01-11 03:17:51 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: I thought Ben Affleck was a socialist.  Why should anyone reward him with anything?


the pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist. why do you hate america?
 
2013-01-11 03:22:11 PM
I thought Zero Dark Thirty was snubbed for having the dumbest sounding title since Threat Level Midnight.
 
2013-01-11 03:26:33 PM

make me some tea: Yes, IMHO, they did a fine job of making it apolitical. I appreciated that. It leaves the moral judgment up to the viewer. I'm rather confused by people who are trying to turn it into a political football, because it really isn't. This is what happened, this is how it happened, it's up to you to feel bad, good or indifferent about it


Yeah, you're right. Torture is just one of those things that happens, and how could we really make any judgements on people with regard to whether or not they're for or against torture?
 
2013-01-11 03:27:25 PM
Glad to year it's no longer an Obama propaganda film. Some Real 'Murikin must have snuck in the cutting room and edited that stuff out.

So for those who have seen it, is it actually good, or is it just likable because of the story and our emotional attachment to it as Americans?
 
2013-01-11 03:27:42 PM

sigdiamond2000: "Conservative" media before release of Zero Dark Thirty: "We must boycott this love letter to Fartbama to send a mesage to the Hollyweird Homocrats!"

"Conservative" media after release of Zero Dark Thirty: "Why do Hollyweird Homocrats refuse to properly acknowledge the greatness of this film?!?"


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2013-01-11 03:29:14 PM
It's a reverse-troll by the Jews that control the media.
 
2013-01-11 03:29:24 PM
Yeah, how dare they choose directors who filmed anti-American films like Lincoln.
 
2013-01-11 03:31:48 PM
Oh yes, subby, because propaganda should always be awarded.
 
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