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(Pro Football Talk)   New Jacksonville GM David Caldwell thinks Blaine Gabbert still has upside. For example, he has never run from an NFL huddle, hid in a closet under a big pile of coats, and hoped that somehow everything worked out   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 46
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2013-01-11 02:03:36 PM
Well, if Del Rio and Mularkey hadn't ruined him, he would be a much better player today IMHO. He has a hell of an arm, he just needs to get over his fear in the pocket. Of would help if his team would protect him while he is in there...

I'm still hoping for Roman to come in as head coach and bring Alex Smith with him, though. Unless some major changes happen during the preseason, I can't bear to watch poor Blaine flopping around the field again like he did earlier this season.
 
2013-01-11 03:15:44 PM

Bunny Deville: Well, if Del Rio and Mularkey hadn't ruined him, he would be a much better player today IMHO. He has a hell of an arm, he just needs to get over his fear in the pocket. Of would help if his team would protect him while he is in there...

I'm still hoping for Roman to come in as head coach and bring Alex Smith with him, though. Unless some major changes happen during the preseason, I can't bear to watch poor Blaine flopping around the field again like he did earlier this season.


they should trade for tebow and then draft matt barkley. that will solve everything
 
2013-01-11 03:27:37 PM

Bunny Deville: Well, if Del Rio and Mularkey hadn't ruined him, he would be a much better player today IMHO. He has a hell of an arm, he just needs to get over his fear in the pocket. Of would help if his team would protect him while he is in there...

I'm still hoping for Roman to come in as head coach and bring Alex Smith with him, though. Unless some major changes happen during the preseason, I can't bear to watch poor Blaine flopping around the field again like he did earlier this season.


It's funny you'd mention Alex Smith, I think there's a parallel between the disastrous Smith-Nolan relationship in SF and Gabbert-Del Rio in Jacksonville. Sets a QB back a long way to have a coach openly disparage the position and the player for a full season. I haven't seen much of Gabbert this year, is he really playing scared? Is it anything like David Carr's breakdown in Houston?

Getting rid of Mularkey, and instantly declaring "Tebow ain't comin' here" are awesome first moves for the new guy, IMO. First really positive sense of direction and vision for the franchise in... ever?
 
2013-01-11 03:44:57 PM

Hitomi Tanaka's Paperweights: First really positive sense of direction and vision for the franchise in... ever?


Saying you're not getting people that, by and large, no one has said they want isn't really direction or vision.
 
2013-01-11 03:49:36 PM
FTA: Look at some quarterbacks. It takes maybe more than two years, three or four years.

And for QBs with actual talent it doesn't take nearly as long in an NFL era that has rules set up to encourage passing success. I'm looking at you, RGIII, Luck, Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton, Cam, Sam Bradford, Josh Freeman...
 
2013-01-11 03:52:17 PM

IAmRight: Hitomi Tanaka's Paperweights: First really positive sense of direction and vision for the franchise in... ever?

Saying you're not getting people that, by and large, no one has said they want isn't really direction or vision.


The new team owner said he would've drafted Tebow, I believe, and had publicly expressed interest in the player. For the new GM to come in and immediately shoot that down indicates he does have his own plan and was willing to controvert the owner; and managed to convince Khan that it's the right move. And dumping Mularkey definitely isn't a non-obvious move, but the speed with which Caldwell is attacking the team's problems are, I think, very encouraging for a franchise that has seemed adrift for some time.
 
2013-01-11 03:55:15 PM
*Disclaimer - NOT making a direct comparison between Rodgers and Gabbert!

That being said...Gabbert has some tools, he just wasn't ready. He would have benefited from a couple years of learning, like Rodgers. Don't know if Jacksonville would have been the right franchise for that though.
 
2013-01-11 03:57:04 PM

Rickenbacker: He would have benefited from a couple years of learning, like Rodgers.


Who says Rodgers benefitted from the couple of years of learning? For all we know, he could've stepped in right away - Favre hanging around just cost him 10,000 yards or so and 100ish TDs on his career total.
 
2013-01-11 04:04:31 PM

Hitomi Tanaka's Paperweights: Bunny Deville: Well, if Del Rio and Mularkey hadn't ruined him, he would be a much better player today IMHO. He has a hell of an arm, he just needs to get over his fear in the pocket. Of would help if his team would protect him while he is in there...

I'm still hoping for Roman to come in as head coach and bring Alex Smith with him, though. Unless some major changes happen during the preseason, I can't bear to watch poor Blaine flopping around the field again like he did earlier this season.

It's funny you'd mention Alex Smith, I think there's a parallel between the disastrous Smith-Nolan relationship in SF and Gabbert-Del Rio in Jacksonville. Sets a QB back a long way to have a coach openly disparage the position and the player for a full season. I haven't seen much of Gabbert this year, is he really playing scared? Is it anything like David Carr's breakdown in Houston?

Getting rid of Mularkey, and instantly declaring "Tebow ain't comin' here" are awesome first moves for the new guy, IMO. First really positive sense of direction and vision for the franchise in... ever?


In years, certainly.

Gabbert was playing so scared that he got benched for Chad farking Henne, so yeah. There's that. But Gabbert was never supposed to start last year. He was supposed to back up Garrard and learn how to be an NFL quarterback. The kid was barely 21. Del Rio's decision to fire Garrard and start Gabbert led to a lot of bad times for the team. Poor Gabbert didn't even have the off season to prepare, because of the lockout. They threw him in there to sink or swim, and he sank. I think he'll be w good quarterback eventually... but I don't think that the Jags can afford to wait for him to get to that point, and I don't think he needs to stay with the Jags. He needs a fresh start, and so do they, and so far it looks like they're getting one.
 
2013-01-11 04:27:47 PM
I didn't see too much of him this year, but from what little I did see I have to wonder if he ever had very good protection from his line?

A bad line can make a good quarterback useless. See also Philip Rivers.
 
2013-01-11 04:39:17 PM

davidphogan: I didn't see too much of him this year, but from what little I did see I have to wonder if he ever had very good protection from his line?

A bad line can make a good quarterback useless. See also Philip Rivers.


No, he had crap for protection, and that contributed to his skittishness in the pocket. If I was a scared 22 year old kid, I'd be skittish too if my o-line was letting me get sacked every other play.
 
2013-01-11 04:40:15 PM
Dont forget that he actually had a decent season - he had a higher QB rating than Andrew "fling it and hope for the best" Intmachine Luck.
 
2013-01-11 05:04:56 PM
Our GM in Minnesota REALLY wanted Gabbert.
 
2013-01-11 05:20:38 PM

Bunny Deville: davidphogan: I didn't see too much of him this year, but from what little I did see I have to wonder if he ever had very good protection from his line?

A bad line can make a good quarterback useless. See also Philip Rivers.

No, he had crap for protection, and that contributed to his skittishness in the pocket. If I was a scared 22 year old kid, I'd be skittish too if my o-line was letting me get sacked every other play.


In that case with the lack of depth on the draft it makes sense to work with him and to try to bring in a veteran as a backup/mentor/competition for him. Give him some protection and a defense through the draft and give him a chance to succeed.
 
2013-01-11 06:05:47 PM

IAmRight: Rickenbacker: He would have benefited from a couple years of learning, like Rodgers.

Who says Rodgers benefitted from the couple of years of learning? For all we know, he could've stepped in right away - Favre hanging around just cost him 10,000 yards or so and 100ish TDs on his career total.


Not to completely agree with the prior post or to disagree with you, I think Rodgers has openly talked about how he benefited by treating the practice squad like actual games. There's got to be some truth that that time benefitted him, as in making him comfortable and confident
 
2013-01-11 06:13:57 PM

IAmRight: Rickenbacker: He would have benefited from a couple years of learning, like Rodgers.

Who says Rodgers benefitted from the couple of years of learning? For all we know, he could've stepped in right away - Favre hanging around just cost him 10,000 yards or so and 100ish TDs on his career total.


I'm not going to try and analyze the Colts situation because I don't get it at all, but most QBs who are drafted high are going to crappy teams. Look at the difference between Newton and Dalton, Newton goes to a crappy team, puts up numbers because he is the only weapon they use on offense (I get that was more stupid play calling than anything else), but doesn't get many wins because the rest of the team is meh or worse. Dalton puts up less gaudy numbers, but has a better team around him and makes the playoffs 2 years in a row.

Personally, I think Rodgers sitting helped him, but no one knows for sure. One thing I can say for sure is that had Rodgers would have had a much better team around him than Gabbert had he been starting from day one.

//I don't think that Sunshine could be a successful starter anywhere, though. Same with Ponder, whoever is being sacrificed to whatever dark god that holds sway over the Cards, or Jake Locker. List does not include Matt Cassel or Mark Sanchez because I have no clue if they will be starters next year.
 
2013-01-11 06:15:54 PM

Wadded Beef: Josh Freeman...


I wouldn't say that Josh Freeman has got it down. He's won a few games and hasn't spectacularly shiat himself in the huddle, but the guy is a disaster more than half the time he plays.
 
2013-01-11 06:21:15 PM

Treygreen13: Wadded Beef: Josh Freeman...

I wouldn't say that Josh Freeman has got it down. He's won a few games and hasn't spectacularly shiat himself in the huddle, but the guy is a disaster more than half the time he plays.


Yeah, he's a bit of an outlier compared to the rest of that group but his first year behind center was off the charts with 3,400 yards and a passer rating of 95. Out of the gate pretty quick. Gabbert has never gotten out of first gear.
 
2013-01-11 06:24:59 PM

Bunny Deville:

No, he had crap for protection, and that contributed to his skittishness in the pocket. If I was a scared 22 year old kid, I'd be skittish too if my o-line was letting me get sacked every other play.


AKA the David Carr story. I felt pretty bad for him getting so many close looks at the turf.
 
2013-01-11 07:19:47 PM

davidphogan: Bunny Deville: davidphogan: I didn't see too much of him this year, but from what little I did see I have to wonder if he ever had very good protection from his line?

A bad line can make a good quarterback useless. See also Philip Rivers.

No, he had crap for protection, and that contributed to his skittishness in the pocket. If I was a scared 22 year old kid, I'd be skittish too if my o-line was letting me get sacked every other play.

In that case with the lack of depth on the draft it makes sense to work with him and to try to bring in a veteran as a backup/mentor/competition for him. Give him some protection and a defense through the draft and give him a chance to succeed.


Unfortunately, we won't know what is going to happen until we get our new coach. And after the last two stinkers, they're gonna take their time finding a new one.
 
2013-01-11 07:34:04 PM
Gabbert is the poster-boy for a college system QB with modest results against bad competition and bad results against good competition but on draft day he goes way higher than he should because....well.....he LOOKS like an NFL QB is supposed to look
 
2013-01-11 07:35:31 PM

Bunny Deville: No, he had crap for protection, and that contributed to his skittishness in the pocket. If I was a scared 22 year old kid, I'd be skittish too if my o-line was letting me get sacked every other play.


Gabbert's always had happy feet, but when you give him protection and a decent receiver, he does pretty well.  I don't know if he can develop into an NFL caliber qb, but the Jags did everything possible to make sure that he didn't.
 
2013-01-11 07:36:01 PM

Bunny Deville: davidphogan: Bunny Deville: davidphogan: I didn't see too much of him this year, but from what little I did see I have to wonder if he ever had very good protection from his line?

A bad line can make a good quarterback useless. See also Philip Rivers.

No, he had crap for protection, and that contributed to his skittishness in the pocket. If I was a scared 22 year old kid, I'd be skittish too if my o-line was letting me get sacked every other play.

In that case with the lack of depth on the draft it makes sense to work with him and to try to bring in a veteran as a backup/mentor/competition for him. Give him some protection and a defense through the draft and give him a chance to succeed.

Unfortunately, we won't know what is going to happen until we get our new coach. And after the last two stinkers, they're gonna take their time finding a new one.


Get your resume in soon. This is the point where it's not so soon that you seem desperate, but if you wait much longer you might get lost in the pile. Just say you agree with them treating Mjd like crap, because clearly they can be successful without him.
 
2013-01-11 08:40:31 PM

thecpt: Bunny Deville: davidphogan: Bunny Deville: davidphogan: I didn't see too much of him this year, but from what little I did see I have to wonder if he ever had very good protection from his line?

A bad line can make a good quarterback useless. See also Philip Rivers.

No, he had crap for protection, and that contributed to his skittishness in the pocket. If I was a scared 22 year old kid, I'd be skittish too if my o-line was letting me get sacked every other play.

In that case with the lack of depth on the draft it makes sense to work with him and to try to bring in a veteran as a backup/mentor/competition for him. Give him some protection and a defense through the draft and give him a chance to succeed.

Unfortunately, we won't know what is going to happen until we get our new coach. And after the last two stinkers, they're gonna take their time finding a new one.

Get your resume in soon. This is the point where it's not so soon that you seem desperate, but if you wait much longer you might get lost in the pile. Just say you agree with them treating Mjd like crap, because clearly they can be successful without him.


Well, once the "give the ball to Mjd and let him try to run it up the middle" play that every other team is prepared for is out, it's amazing how creative they can suddenly be.
 
2013-01-11 09:19:01 PM
Translation: 'We've already pissed away a pick and draft position by trading up to get him, so he's money already spent at this point... and that clipboard aint gonna carry itself.
 
2013-01-11 09:39:11 PM
the upside is that he was great in college, but not great enough to beat top ten teams... i doubt he'll ever pan out in the nfl but he really can hurl the ball; perhaps he should try olympic field events...
 
2013-01-11 10:27:02 PM

proteus_b: the upside is that he was great in college, but not great enough to beat top ten teams...


Except for Oklahoma :)
 
2013-01-11 11:27:32 PM
Yo Gabba Gabba
 
2013-01-12 12:01:56 AM
Gabbert is to Jacksonville what Patrick Ramsey was to the Redskins.
 
2013-01-12 12:23:22 AM
How can a franchise that knocked Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson into retirement 62-7 in the playoffs have fallen this far down?
 
2013-01-12 01:22:40 AM
Agree that GM saying no Tebow is a great early sign. Tebow would condemn Jacksonville to more years of cellar dwelling.
 
2013-01-12 01:51:58 AM

Mentat: Gabbert's always had happy feet, but when you give him protection and a decent receiver, he does pretty well. I don't know if he can develop into an NFL caliber qb, but the Jags did everything possible to make sure that he didn't.


THIS.

Here's an interesting stats comparisons for you guys.

QB #1: Played 26 games his first 2 seasons. Had 692 attempts and 381 completions. Had a 54.8 comp %. Had 4328 yds with a 6.22 yds per pass average. Had 20 tds with 36 ints. Had a 61.2 QBR.

QB #2: Played 25 games his first 2 seasons. Had 691 attempts and 372 completions. Had a 53.8 comp %. Had 3876 yds with a 5.61 yds per pss average. Had 21 tds with 17 ints. Had a 70.2 QBR.

QB #1 is Troy Aikman and QB #2 is Blaine Gabbert.

I'll be the first to say that I don't believe Gabbert is anywhere close to Aikman in terms of potential, but I also don't believe he's nearly as bad as people are led to believe. I'll also say that Gabbert's team was as bad as Aikman's team was at the time. And maybe a full magnitude worse if you look at what the Jags have had for personnel and what the Cowboys had Aikmans first 2 seasons. I honestly believe that if Caldwell can draft better, and then sign some decent FAs, Gabbert can be a quailty QB in this league going forward. If you also add that he's only 22 years old then he stands a decent chance of succeeding as QB. Hell, I've got hair on my balls older than that kid and it's worth a couple of more years to see how he does. If the coaching situation had been stable he may have already been "the guy." Considering no off season, Del-Rio not giving a shiat, and Mularkey sucking ass, he really never stood a chance. Some team stability might help that and hopefully Caldwell will bring that to the franchise.
 
2013-01-12 02:22:32 AM

king of vegas: Agree that GM saying no Tebow is a great early sign. Tebow would condemn Jacksonville to more years of cellar dwelling.


The only thing than can prevent that is Tennessee finding a way to be worse than Jacksonville.
 
2013-01-12 04:26:19 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: king of vegas: Agree that GM saying no Tebow is a great early sign. Tebow would condemn Jacksonville to more years of cellar dwelling.

The only thing than can prevent that is Tennessee finding a way to be worse than Jacksonville.


how about tennessee trades locker for gabbert. because who cares at this point, right?
 
j4x
2013-01-12 05:06:35 AM

Wadded Beef: Bunny Deville:

No, he had crap for protection, and that contributed to his skittishness in the pocket. If I was a scared 22 year old kid, I'd be skittish too if my o-line was letting me get sacked every other play.

AKA the David Carr story. I felt pretty bad for him getting so many close looks at the turf.


I always felt bad for him and Harrington

They both showed flashes of greatness and probably would have been pretty good on teams that didn't completely destroy their spirits.
 
2013-01-12 06:21:41 AM
Pray that Najeh Davenport didn't go in the closet first.
 
2013-01-12 06:47:17 AM

bluorangefyre: How can a franchise that knocked Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson into retirement 62-7 in the playoffs have fallen this far down?


Will Tom Coughlin was calling the shots pretty much then. Then they decided to run with a GM (Shack Harris, Gene Smith, Del Rio) by committee. Technically, the Jags have had 2 (counting Caldwell) GMs in their history. And first one, Gene Smith got the job basically by attrition. Through in a couple years of looking at character and grabbing guys higher than they should to avoid rookie contact disputes instead of talent have absolutely gutted the team.
 
2013-01-12 06:50:40 AM

ole prophet: bluorangefyre: How can a franchise that knocked Dan Marino and Jimmy Johnson into retirement 62-7 in the playoffs have fallen this far down?

Will Tom Coughlin was calling the shots pretty much then. Then they decided to run with a GM (Shack Harris, Gene Smith, Del Rio) by committee. Technically, the Jags have had 2 (counting Caldwell) GMs in their history. And first one, Gene Smith got the job basically by attrition. Through in a couple years of looking at character and grabbing guys higher than they should to avoid rookie contact disputes instead of talent have absolutely gutted the team.


Will = Well
Through = Throw

/fark you swype
 
2013-01-12 06:59:09 AM

draa: Mentat: Gabbert's always had happy feet, but when you give him protection and a decent receiver, he does pretty well. I don't know if he can develop into an NFL caliber qb, but the Jags did everything possible to make sure that he didn't.

THIS.

Here's an interesting stats comparisons for you guys.

QB #1: Played 26 games his first 2 seasons. Had 692 attempts and 381 completions. Had a 54.8 comp %. Had 4328 yds with a 6.22 yds per pass average. Had 20 tds with 36 ints. Had a 61.2 QBR.

QB #2: Played 25 games his first 2 seasons. Had 691 attempts and 372 completions. Had a 53.8 comp %. Had 3876 yds with a 5.61 yds per pss average. Had 21 tds with 17 ints. Had a 70.2 QBR.

QB #1 is Troy Aikman and QB #2 is Blaine Gabbert.

I'll be the first to say that I don't believe Gabbert is anywhere close to Aikman in terms of potential, but I also don't believe he's nearly as bad as people are led to believe. I'll also say that Gabbert's team was as bad as Aikman's team was at the time. And maybe a full magnitude worse if you look at what the Jags have had for personnel and what the Cowboys had Aikmans first 2 seasons. I honestly believe that if Caldwell can draft better, and then sign some decent FAs, Gabbert can be a quailty QB in this league going forward. If you also add that he's only 22 years old then he stands a decent chance of succeeding as QB. Hell, I've got hair on my balls older than that kid and it's worth a couple of more years to see how he does. If the coaching situation had been stable he may have already been "the guy." Considering no off season, Del-Rio not giving a shiat, and Mularkey sucking ass, he really never stood a chance. Some team stability might help that and hopefully Caldwell will bring that to the franchise.


Aikman sucks and owes all of his success to #22 and one of the best offensive lines in history . Horrible analogy.
 
2013-01-12 10:17:27 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Aikman sucks and owes all of his success to #22 and one of the best offensive lines in history . Horrible analogy.


So, what you're saying is that giving a qb a good o-line and weapons on offense makes him a more productive qb?
 
2013-01-12 10:57:31 AM

puffy999: Pray that Najeh Davenport didn't go in the closet first.


I was going to make that joke, but you did it better than I would have, kudos.
 
2013-01-12 11:10:02 AM
I'm too lazy to pull the stats, but I remember Troy Aikman being sacked an ungodly amount of times as a rookie, 11 times in one game IIRC. So I don't buy the excuse that a QB can't succeed if he is sacked too many times as a rookie.
 
2013-01-12 11:49:48 AM

j4x: Wadded Beef: Bunny Deville:

No, he had crap for protection, and that contributed to his skittishness in the pocket. If I was a scared 22 year old kid, I'd be skittish too if my o-line was letting me get sacked every other play.

AKA the David Carr story. I felt pretty bad for him getting so many close looks at the turf.

I always felt bad for him and Harrington

They both showed flashes of greatness and probably would have been pretty good on teams that didn't completely destroy their spirits.


Side note: Little known fact about Joey Harrington is that he is related to Padraig Harrington the world-class golfer and to Dan Harrington who won the World Series of Poker and followed it up with a final table finish the following year.
 
2013-01-12 03:40:20 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Aikman sucks and owes all of his success to #22 and one of the best offensive lines in history . Horrible analogy.


Aikman sucks? Really? Dude, he's a Hall of Fame QB so if Gabbert sucked THAT much most people would be ok with it. And it's amazing what having quality people around you will do for your game. Thanks for making my point for me.
 
2013-01-12 07:11:19 PM

draa: HaywoodJablonski: Aikman sucks and owes all of his success to #22 and one of the best offensive lines in history . Horrible analogy.

Aikman sucks? Really? Dude, he's a Hall of Fame QB


LOL!
 
2013-01-12 09:53:56 PM

ISO15693: draa: HaywoodJablonski: Aikman sucks and owes all of his success to #22 and one of the best offensive lines in history . Horrible analogy.

Aikman sucks? Really? Dude, he's a Hall of Fame QB

LOL!


And this is why I don't comment on Fark. Every time someone does there's always someone else who's going to have an issue with what's said. Always.

You know, I understand that people hate the Cowboys and all that but me saying that Gabbert would be considered a good qb if he did what Aikman did is true. At least for the Jaguars franchise that is.

Led Cowboys team to three Super Bowl wins ... Winningest starting quarterback of the 1990s with 90 of 94 career wins occurring in the decade... Held or tied 47 Dallas passing records ... Posted 13 regular season and four playoff 300-yard passing games ... Named to six Pro Bowls, All-Pro 1993, All-NFC Second Team 1994, 1995

That's a damn good career. For anyone. Most qbs and teams would be really happy to have that. Especially if the team he played for has sucked at the qb position for a decade or more. Like the Jags. And even more so considering the Jaguars don't have a single person in the HoF. Regardless of whether you like Aikman or not he was a very good quarterback and no amount of "he sucks" or "LOL" will change that.
 
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