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(Talking Points Memo)   Rep. Phil Gingrey (R), an OB/GYN, goes full derp and defends Todd Akin's legitimate rape comments. Folks, this is the modern GOP   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 83
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2013-01-11 12:50:23 PM  
7 votes:
"At a breakfast yesterday morning, I was asked why Democrats made abortion a central theme of the presidential campaign. "

Dude, Democrats don't make abortion a central theme. It's you dolts who keep bringing it up. If you don't want Democrats to use abortion as ammunition, STFU.
2013-01-11 12:08:42 PM  
6 votes:
How is it even possible there are this many idiots, in positions of power, who actively defend and embrace rape?  I really felt like rape was something that nearly everyone in the universe agreed was a terrible thing, and yet, every other day, someone in the Republican party comes out with a new way of saying it's not so bad.  I honestly don't understand how the party has essentially come out in goddamned  favor of rape. Of all the things in the entire universe they could come out in favor of, that's the one they chose?  Carjacking would be more popular.
2013-01-11 11:53:27 AM  
5 votes:
"That's what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape," Gingrey said. "I don't find anything so horrible about that."

Of course you don't, you despicable partisan f*ck-stain.
2013-01-11 12:11:36 PM  
4 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-01-11 12:03:15 PM  
4 votes:
My god. You people are utter fools. You want to keep dragging up this derp? Please do. Us broads have long memories.
2013-01-11 01:46:03 PM  
3 votes:
"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."

Orwell knew the future, apparently.

"We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent there will be no need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always-do not forget this Winston-always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."

Amazing, when you think about it. Amazing how quickly things are forgotten.
2013-01-11 01:36:59 PM  
3 votes:
The more they talk, the more convinced I am that a good chunk of Republican politicians and supporters are textbook sociopathic.
2013-01-11 01:16:11 PM  
3 votes:
If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.
2013-01-11 11:49:15 AM  
3 votes:
Know what they call the guy who graduates dead last in his med school class?

/doctor
2013-01-11 05:08:50 PM  
2 votes:
2013-01-11 04:36:12 PM  
2 votes:

lennavan: BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus

You called it a child, not me. I agree fetus is the better word but don't come attacking me for using the wrong word, I let it go in an attempt to move the discussion forward. See:

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim.

BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.

Also, I have a few questions for you.

1) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its gender?
2) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its hair will be brown?
3) Should it be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus not born yet?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you join a huge majority of the country in also believing rights apply to the fetus. If not, seriously, what the fark is wrong with you?


It should be legal for a woman to have an abortion in all cases up to a point in the pregnancy that makes sense scientifically (no I don't feel like debating this particular point tonight) and we don't get to ask her why. And for the record there is very little wrong with me these days.

Cheers
2013-01-11 02:44:47 PM  
2 votes:

skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.

what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?


I'm mocking you, because this is the most mock-worthy thread I have seen on FARK for literally years. It has 2 schlubs who obviously know jack and shiat about how the female reproductive system works (hint: rape does not lower the likelihood of pregnancy - http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/health/rape-pregnancy/index.html , http://news.yahoo.com/rape-trauma-barrier-pregnancy-no-scientific-basi s-235231028.html - if you believe this you are a full on retard) Trying to defend another idiot for saying it. You deserve all the mocking you are getting because you are being utterly ridiculous.
2013-01-11 02:43:01 PM  
2 votes:

pdee: If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.


And if she isn't raped at all, even less likely yet to get pregnant. Perhaps that's the problem our elected representatives should be addressing, and not God's gift of rape babies.
2013-01-11 02:17:39 PM  
2 votes:
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake
2013-01-11 01:51:10 PM  
2 votes:

Dog Welder: I fail to see how any person with a vagina votes Republican these days, but there you have it...they are out there.


Having a vagina in no way makes one immune from being an idiot.
2013-01-11 01:49:14 PM  
2 votes:
Dear Repubs:

You know how you keep arguing again and again for special circumstances in which rape is okay? That tells me you want to rape. A lot. It tells me that you can't stop thinking about rape.

You are some sad, sick farks.
2013-01-11 01:27:47 PM  
2 votes:
These people aren't legitimate human beings.
2013-01-11 01:07:36 PM  
2 votes:

abb3w: serpent_sky: How is it even possible there are this many idiots, in positions of power, who actively defend and embrace rape?

High-SDO personalities tend to be assholes, seek power, and be superficially charming. They also tend to be prejudiced/contemptuous against traditionally derrogated groups, such as women.

I'm pretty sure I've plugged Altemeyer's intro to the research in your direction before?


Yeah, but even at that, the derpiest derpmeister in the Republican Party should know that the vast majority of voters find these comments repellent.

The only explanation I can come up with, really, is that they've gotten so used to speaking in an echo chamber that they have become tone deaf on how this sounds like to anyone outside it.
2013-01-11 12:48:49 PM  
2 votes:
"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"

"But the fact that a woman may have already ovulated 12 hours before she is raped, you're not going to prevent a pregnancy there by a woman's body shutting anything down because the horse has already left the barn, so to speak," Gingrey continued. "And yet the media took that and tore it apart."


So, the logic here is that stress might prevent a woman from ovulating DURING rape?
And this is supposed to lessen the probability of conception?

Did he go to the same medical school as Limbaugh?
2013-01-11 12:36:49 PM  
2 votes:
From another article:
And in Missouri, Todd Akin ... was asked by a local news source about rape and he said, 'Look, in a legitimate rape situation' - and what he meant by legitimate rape was just look, someone can say I was raped: a scared-to-death 15-year-old that becomes impregnated by her boyfriend and then has to tell her parents, that's pretty tough and might on some occasion say, 'Hey, I was raped.' That's what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape. I don't find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman's body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He's partly right on that.

For those of you who stopped counting and started bleeding from the eyes, that was nine. Or, nine more uses of the word "rape" than any Republican should put into a single paragraph.
2013-01-11 12:23:52 PM  
2 votes:

what_now: My god. You people are utter fools. You want to keep dragging up this derp? Please do. Us broads have long memories.


Well its not like we forgot it. Nice of them to remind the men folk though.
2013-01-11 11:54:50 AM  
2 votes:

Diogenes: "I don't find anything so horrible about that."

Really makes me wish we could forcibly and violently impregnate some of these "men" who are so cavalier about sexual violence.


I suspect the impossibility of some of these Evangelical Conservatives getting impregnated from a man, is not from lack of trying.
2013-01-11 11:53:25 AM  
2 votes:
i love, love, LOVE that the GOP is incapable of letting something like this lie. they ALWAYS double-down on shiat like this. they're so predictable!
2013-01-11 11:52:46 AM  
2 votes:
"I don't find anything so horrible about that."

Really makes me wish we could forcibly and violently impregnate some of these "men" who are so cavalier about sexual violence.
2013-01-11 11:47:55 AM  
2 votes:
I had largely forgotten (or at least, not thought about) Todd Akin's ridiculousness. Thanks for bringing it back up*.



*I'm sure that the GOP leadership is thinking the same thing.
2013-01-11 11:46:09 AM  
2 votes:
So? There are a handful of "scientists" who endorse creationism. It only proves that anyone call sell out and betray the principles of their profession (usually for lucrative reasons).
2013-01-11 11:37:16 AM  
2 votes:
Hide it under a bushel?  NO!  I'm gonna let it derp!
2013-01-11 10:09:52 PM  
1 votes:
Dear Republican Men,
Please keep talking about rape.

Sincerely,
Every Democrat Ever
2013-01-11 03:56:56 PM  
1 votes:

deanis: There is something to be said about these common rape threads: PEOPLE FARKING LOVE FLAMING ABOUT VAGINAS, RAPE AND POLITICS.


This is the Politics thread.  The greatest global issue in politics today is traditionalism versus modernity.   I can't think of a bigger issue in global politics.  Theocracy versus secularism and socialism versus capitalism is even less fundamental today and is more derivative than anything else.

The fight against modernity is the root cause of most of the shiat happening in the world.  The single biggest piece of modernity is women's equality.  The cornerstone of women's equality is control of their reproductive rights.

I suggest control of women's reproductive rights is the most important political issue in the world today.

/i'm a dude
2013-01-11 03:52:06 PM  
1 votes:

pdee: While I support a women's right to choose remember you are arguing the point with people who believe abortion is murder.


So, because they're loons, I'm supposed to avoid calling them loony?
2013-01-11 03:45:52 PM  
1 votes:

wjmorris3: consensual rape


Look at how stupid you are.

abrannan: Don't confuse the message and the messenger.


Don't confuse merely repeating what someone said with making excuses for what was said. The latter comes perilously close to an endorsement.
2013-01-11 03:45:12 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?

you couldn't have possibly educated yourself on the mechanics of impregnation that quickly.

Can you answer?

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?

ok, since you are apparently not going to educate yourself, allow me.
Did you know that you can get pregnant up to a week after intercourse? Did you know that ovulation after intercourse is enough to become pregnant? If you prevent ovulation in some way - by means of a hugely stressful occurrence, for example - you have reduced the likelihood that that act of intercourse will result in pregnancy?

As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.


Did you know that your 7 days applies to a woman who is already ovulating? That otherwise, without the protective mucous secreted during ovulation, the vaginal canal is relatively hostile to sperm? Did you realize that your second point is contraindicted by the general thrust of your argument? Did you relize that the argument you are defending (even if only partially, and in a pedantic rather than meaning seeking manner) hinges on it's OK to deny an abortion to a rape victim because if it's legitimate rape, the woman's body simply won't get pregnant? The fact is that most ejaculations into the vagina do not culminate in impregnation. Some do and this is based on physical cycles and chance. At the end of the day, the fact is a small number of women who are raped become pregnant. Defending a guy whosays that they shouldn't have access to an abortion because if they didn't really want to be raped they wouldn't be pregnant is wholly repugnant. I understand that you may think you are defending a point of rhetoric, but for the love of god man...
2013-01-11 03:41:29 PM  
1 votes:

pdee: There is harm in pretending that he or other GOP candidates supports rape.


Supports? Perhaps not. Displays an epic quantity of insensitivity and lack of empathy every time the subject is raised? Abso-farking-luteky.
2013-01-11 03:39:03 PM  
1 votes:

Martian_Astronomer: Okay, the fact that you guys have followed this rabbit trail arguing over mechanics of ovulation and fertilization and implantation makes me sad. The idea that the stress of a rape may, in a few cases, prevent pregnancy is not what Todd Akin was arguing. He was arguing that the stress of rape prevents pregnancy in such an overwhelming majority of cases that pregnancy from rape is a such a negligible concern that pregnant rape victims are not worth worrying about when drafting policy. That is not partially right, or misunderstood, or an exaggeration. That is just wrong, and Gingrey's support is disingenuous.

Todd Akin was not arguing that rain may, in certain cases, put out a house fire; he was arguing that houses basically never catch fire when it's raining.


You are 100% correct. We can all point and laugh at Todd for misrepresenting the facts to support his religious beliefs. There is no harm in admitting that his statement had some factual basis even if they were in the majority incorrect. There is harm in pretending that he or other GOP candidates supports rape.
2013-01-11 03:26:18 PM  
1 votes:
Someone who tries to excuse any form of rape probably oughtn't have a medical license.
2013-01-11 02:58:38 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.


??? He said that stress can prevent ovulation. How in the hell can you possibly relate that to rape? He was acting as an apologist for two people who trivialized rape for the sake of political pandering.
2013-01-11 02:57:10 PM  
1 votes:

serpent_sky: How is it even possible there are this many idiots, in positions of power, who actively defend and embrace rape?  I really felt like rape was something that nearly everyone in the universe agreed was a terrible thing, and yet, every other day, someone in the Republican party comes out with a new way of saying it's not so bad.  I honestly don't understand how the party has essentially come out in goddamned  favor of rape. Of all the things in the entire universe they could come out in favor of, that's the one they chose?  Carjacking would be more popular.


Well let's see here. Egalitarian Half-Baked Theory Times:

Rape = vicious power move on somebody else
People in Power = people who like to have power over others
There may be some overlap between Rape and People in Power.

People in power tend to de-anthropomorphize those who aren't in power and consequently tend to use poor/vulnerable people as objects. And people in power will act to protect each other's privilege in this respect, or at least their own reputation. See: Sandusky scandal, Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, that pedophile BBC announcer. It seems like an unfortunate but common theme in societies that the rich prey on the poor and weak, and such predation is often protected.

Many conservative men prefer that women be a subordinate group. An effective way to keep women subordinate is rape. Also to remove options to control their own lives, like birth control and abortion. Why not be pro-life and dismiss the seriousness of rape at the same time? The internal logic must make sense to these a-holes, even if they don't spell it out to themselves explicitly.

\there's a lot more to it, Good Ol' Boys and all that, but it's a start
2013-01-11 02:53:00 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display

Was Gingrey statement comparing the stressful situation he mentioned to rape or not?

no


Ahh so then you agree his statement had NOTHING to do with supporting Akins statement about rape and I was right all along.
2013-01-11 02:43:03 PM  
1 votes:

pdee: Satan's Bunny Slippers: amiable: This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you can tell they do not own the equipment.

They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

It's a fun read here at work on a slow friday afternoon.

What the fark are you talking about?

If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.



No farktard. A woman is much less likely to conceive after being raped because she has been to the hospital and received treatment that includes the morning after pill should she so choose.

Your silly argument is becoming belabored and boring. Good bye.
2013-01-11 02:40:11 PM  
1 votes:

pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.


Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?
2013-01-11 02:36:33 PM  
1 votes:
Hey! It's a Fark party!

www.weareultraviolet.org
2013-01-11 02:33:09 PM  
1 votes:

pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.


This doesn't really make one less likely to get pregnant from rape.
2013-01-11 02:31:30 PM  
1 votes:

serpent_sky: How is it even possible there are this many idiots, in positions of power, who actively defend and embrace rape?  I really felt like rape was something that nearly everyone in the universe agreed was a terrible thing, and yet, every other day, someone in the Republican party comes out with a new way of saying it's not so bad.  I honestly don't understand how the party has essentially come out in goddamned  favor of rape. Of all the things in the entire universe they could come out in favor of, that's the one they chose?  Carjacking would be more popular.


Rape used to be covered up, much as child abuse. It's embarassing to the families. Good christian families knew this, and kept these things in-house.

The, the feminazis got involved.

Now, we're allowing Suzie to abort Uncle Joe's baby and putting Uncle Joe in jail, and the whole farking world needs to know, apparently.

These fine men are simply trying to get the government out of their lives.
2013-01-11 02:28:38 PM  
1 votes:

pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.


Question: how would adrenaline stay in the system to prevent ovulation for 3-5 days?
2013-01-11 02:28:07 PM  
1 votes:

Satan's Bunny Slippers: They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"


Wait, are you saying that a woman might not want to a) expose her partner to STDs she may have just gotten from her rapist, and b) conceive a child of unknown paternity on account of having just been raped?

This thread is crazypants.
2013-01-11 02:27:54 PM  
1 votes:
Next time my insurance causes me to find yet another ob-gyn, I am going to look at political affiliation. Republicans simply do not do science well.
2013-01-11 02:23:02 PM  
1 votes:
Trying to figure out how this ties in with the economy. Boehner said the GOP would focus 100% on jobs and the economy but they keep going back to the same old shiat
2013-01-11 02:18:08 PM  
1 votes:

amiable: This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you can tell they do not own the equipment.

They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

It's a fun read here at work on a slow friday afternoon.
2013-01-11 02:15:42 PM  
1 votes:

sprawl15: Corvus: pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.

So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!

Yup. It's every woman's responsibility to dump the evidence.


And according to skullkrusher and pdee women don't try to clean up after rapes. I guess it's because they are all whores or something.
2013-01-11 02:13:03 PM  
1 votes:

Corvus: He always does or start name calling like usual.


Exhibit A:

skullkrusher:
if your point was that you're a moron, then yep, we sure do
2013-01-11 02:11:45 PM  
1 votes:
"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things"

Unless the topic is delivering babies, that doesn't actually mean anything.
2013-01-11 02:11:19 PM  
1 votes:

rev. dave: He is my congressman. No one opposed him this time around and it looks like that may continue. Stuck with him.


Run for office, or convince a friend to do so.  He has offered an excellent campaign platform- you can run on the "anti-rape" agenda and force him to either backpedal or stand by his comments.  The McCaskill v. Akins race makes it pretty clear that you could count on a lot of donations coming in.
2013-01-11 02:10:57 PM  
1 votes:
This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.
2013-01-11 02:03:50 PM  
1 votes:
Anyone else take a look at the "GOP Doctors Caucus" link from TFA?

Here are the members: Link

Some observations:

1. There are a disturbingly large number of conservative Republicans who are male also OB/GYNs.
2. Not only is the list unsurprisingly male-dominated but 3 of the 4 female "doctor" members are actually nurses (good to see the Republicans are still keeping their women in their place)
2013-01-11 02:03:15 PM  
1 votes:

someonelse: skullkrusher: someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?

exactly. Women get pregnant when they are ovulating. If they do not ovulate, they do not get pregnant.

If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation, the only pregnancy being prevented is one caused by future sex, not the rape that is preventing ovulation.


I think he figured that out now, which is why he's no longer responding to this point.
2013-01-11 02:03:10 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Gecko Gingrich: skullkrusher: no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong.

Actually, it makes him all wrong, of which I suppose "partially wrong" is a subset, but it still makes you a shill.

skullkrusher: yes, doctor, you are correct. However, I cannot imagine what the fark you hope to achieve by hitching your wagon to a guy who got smoked in his election

worst. shill. ever.


So "Driving a car makes it impossible for women to be be pregnant" is "partially correct" too then right.


In fact "[anything] makes it impossible to be be pregnant" would be partially correct under your logic. because anything COULD cause stress in a woman.
2013-01-11 02:01:17 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Gecko Gingrich: skullkrusher: no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong.

Actually, it makes him all wrong, of which I suppose "partially wrong" is a subset, but it still makes you a shill.

skullkrusher: yes, doctor, you are correct. However, I cannot imagine what the fark you hope to achieve by hitching your wagon to a guy who got smoked in his election

worst. shill. ever.


It's because you post this to give you cover when you then white knight for these idiot. You do it every thread.
2013-01-11 01:58:24 PM  
1 votes:

someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?


Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.
2013-01-11 01:58:03 PM  
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pdee: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

Or his explanation is why Akin was partially right.

/glass 1/2 full


You're absolutely right.

I encourage Republicans to keep pressing the issue.
2013-01-11 01:57:58 PM  
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skullkrusher: no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong.


Actually, it makes him all wrong, of which I suppose "partially wrong" is a subset, but it still makes you a shill.
2013-01-11 01:57:52 PM  
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Corvus: skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?


you couldn't have possibly educated yourself on the mechanics of impregnation that quickly.
2013-01-11 01:47:04 PM  
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Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.


No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.
2013-01-11 01:40:33 PM  
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pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.


He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.
2013-01-11 01:40:24 PM  
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Dog Welder: Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.

As I mentioned in yesterday's Fark Daily Rape Thread, I got into an argument with a woman on Facebook (she's an evangelical Baptist) who believed that no abortion should be allowed ever ever under any circumstance, including when the conception in due to rape. Also, the victim should fully be on the hook for the medical bills to carry the child to term. My response was "Your complete lack of compassion for the victim doesn't seem very Christian to me," after which I got no responses.

I fail to see how any person with a vagina votes Republican these days, but there you have it...they are out there.


If you truly believe that a fetus is a human from the moment of conception, then wanting to ban abortions in the case of rape is logically consistent (note that I'm not agreeing with it, just saying it's at least consistent).

What I really don't get is the people who want to ban abortions in the case of endangering the life of the mother. No one would demand that you risk your life for someone else, especially if when you die, it takes the other person with you anyway. So...yeah. I don't understand.
2013-01-11 01:38:15 PM  
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"Hey, maybe I should shut the fark up before I make a fool of myself", said no southern Republican, ever.
2013-01-11 01:37:12 PM  
1 votes:
Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.
2013-01-11 01:31:15 PM  
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I know so many women who vote Republican, though. I don't understand it. The ones who are single-issue voters on abortion, yeah, okay, I get it, though I disagree with them. But women who vote for the GOP for economic reasons? WTH? I remember a woman at work saying when Obama was reelected that "now [she] has to pay for a bunch of lazy people." Another woman talked about how "everyone hit retirement age today! no one has to work anymore!" First off, the GOP's economic record is pretty horrible. Second off, if I were a woman, I think I would vote for the party that respects my rights to my own body, even if their economic plan were slightly different from what I wanted.

(That's the other thing. People act like the economic plans proposed by Obama are THE WORST THING EVER and SO DIFFERENT from Republican plans. They're not really that different at all. If a real left-wing President ever gets into office in this country, heads are going to asplode.)
2013-01-11 01:30:40 PM  
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Revek: Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.

I had a dream just like that except she was being pelted with marshmallows.


It should stay a dream. Try that in reality and you'll find out a painful truth; some things wash out of hair easily. Bits of stringy half-melted marshmallow are not one of those. You'll inevitably miss with a few which land behind the pillory and under the bed, which just ends up attracting ants and other bugs. Plus, the sugar content can lead to a yeast infection.
2013-01-11 01:29:52 PM  
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Here's the real problem: These people don't know when to farkING SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY.

There is nothing to be gained on this issue. Hence, silence is the best option.
2013-01-11 01:24:26 PM  
1 votes:
Preemptive for his failed re-election bid in 2014

4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-01-11 01:22:51 PM  
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You'd think that by now anyone filing papers to run for office as a republican would also have to include a form swearing that they have been through a non-biblical base sexual education class along with a signed pledge to never utter the word 'rape'.
2013-01-11 01:17:40 PM  
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit raped.


There is no need to worry. God wanted you to be raped. Your system will shut everything down. And even if you get a baby, it will be a gift from god and WONDERFUL!!!!

So basically no downside
2013-01-11 01:15:13 PM  
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FloydA: They really don't know when to quit.


I think every first question to a candidate or elected official should be of the sort:
Are you pro-rape? Do you agree with Akin, or do you think what Akin said was completely false and Akin is a moron?

And no new questions until they answer.
Get them on the record!!
2013-01-11 12:55:10 PM  
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i49.tinypic.com
2013-01-11 12:40:37 PM  
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AdolfOliverPanties: So if a woman just relaxes, drinks a glass of wine and isn't so tense and uptight, she'll enjoy her rape and there's a chance of impregnation.


"As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it."

~Clayton Williams (R - TX) gubernatorial candidate (shockingly, he lost) and John McCain fund raiser
2013-01-11 12:29:30 PM  
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quickdraw: what_now: My god. You people are utter fools. You want to keep dragging up this derp? Please do. Us broads have long memories.

Well its not like we forgot it. Nice of them to remind the men folk though.


Exactly,  No woman who was paying attention is going to be quick to forget the 2012 GOP race to win the hearts and minds of rapists everywhere.
2013-01-11 12:22:56 PM  
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Gecko Gingrich: I had largely forgotten (or at least, not thought about) Todd Akin's ridiculousness.


I hadn't

/woman
2013-01-11 12:04:12 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: They really don't know when to quit.



That's because they're too legit...imate rapey.
2013-01-11 11:58:40 AM  
1 votes:
all these legitimate rape guys should be sodomized with cactuses while the person repeatedly asks "is this legitimate rape? why isn't your body shutting that whole thing down?!"
2013-01-11 11:58:13 AM  
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Am I badly misreading that? It sounds like he defends Akin, then goes and explains in painful rapey detail why Akin was confusing an old rapists tale with medical fact, then goes on to say that the other idiot - Mourdoch? - was ignorant and incorrect, but had his heart in the right place?

My head hurts now.
2013-01-11 11:57:00 AM  
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kid_icarus: So? There are a handful of "scientists" who endorse creationism. It only proves that anyone call sell out and betray the principles of their profession (usually for lucrative reasons).


Rep. Paul Broun, MD (GA - 10th)

upload.wikimedia.org
embryology, evolution, and the Big Bang are "lies straight from the Pit of Hell ... lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior."

Guess which party?
2013-01-11 11:49:33 AM  
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kid_icarus: So? There are a handful of "scientists" who endorse creationism. It only proves that anyone call sell out and betray the principles of their profession (usually for lucrative reasons).


He's not betraying the principles of his profession. He thinks he is taking a principled stand that many or most of his colleagues agree is right.
2013-01-11 11:49:16 AM  
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I thought the story was an exaggeration but the quotes are worse than I expected.  Bonus: Age of consent is apparently 15 years old now.
 
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