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(Talking Points Memo)   Rep. Phil Gingrey (R), an OB/GYN, goes full derp and defends Todd Akin's legitimate rape comments. Folks, this is the modern GOP   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 474
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2013-01-11 04:05:49 PM  

BMulligan: I'm not talking about you; I'm talking about Gingrey. I understood you to say that Gingrey should not be held accountable for Mourdock's comments, and I'm saying that Gingrey implicitly endorsed Mourdock's comments by attempting to rationalize them.


I know. And I'm saying he didn't. Hence the 'Just as I' part of my comment.
 
2013-01-11 04:09:46 PM  

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?

partially right implies partially wrong.

You didn't say "Partially wrong" you said "wrong" JUST LIKE I DID!!!

yes, that was how he's wrong. What Akin said isn't applicable in all cases of rape, in part because if the woman has already ovulated the "horse is out of the barn" as Gingrey said.

So why is it when I said he is wrong, you freak out and say I am wrong but it's ok for you to now say he was wrong?

yes, he was partially wrong. He was also partially right as stress can prevent ovulation. Ovulation occurring after sex can still result in pregnancy.
I haven't freaked out at all. Who's the one posting 3 responses to each post and relying on caps?


In extremely rare circumstances it is possible that the stress from a rape may inhibit the release of an egg at that particular timeframe. You have made an argument that an event that would be so rare as to be generally dismissed as a freak incident makes Akin partially correct. Well, in a semantic sense and as a remote possibility you win. (Incidently it is also possible for an embryo to be anally inserted into a male's abdomen and come to term). You have pretty much defined being disengenuous for the sake of deflecting opinion away from a major farkup. So, put a notch on your mouse, and hope that this real world issue doesn't happen to your family or friends.
 
2013-01-11 04:28:45 PM  

abrannan: It's simple. In their mind, they want a no exceptions clause added to any anti-abortion bill.


skullkrusher: dunno. I suppose it was to downplay the necessity of rape exemptions


Yeah I know. I guess I'd just like to hear them say it since it's such a losing argument.
 
2013-01-11 04:34:51 PM  

Mike_1962: In extremely rare circumstances it is possible that the stress from a rape may inhibit the release of an egg at that particular timeframe. You have made an argument that an event that would be so rare as to be generally dismissed as a freak incident makes Akin partially correct. Well, in a semantic sense and as a remote possibility you win.


Hey, being 0.001% correct will bring his average up!
 
2013-01-11 04:36:06 PM  

Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?

partially right implies partially wrong.

You didn't say "Partially wrong" you said "wrong" JUST LIKE I DID!!!

yes, that was how he's wrong. What Akin said isn't applicable in all cases of rape, in part because if the woman has already ovulated the "horse is out of the barn" as Gingrey said.

So why is it when I said he is wrong, you freak out and say I am wrong but it's ok for you to now say he was wrong?

yes, he was partially wrong. He was also partially right as stress can prevent ovulation. Ovulation occurring after sex can still result in pregnancy.
I haven't freaked out at all. Who's the one posting 3 responses to each post and relying on caps?

In extremely rare circumstances it is possible that the stress from a rape may inhibit the release of an egg at that particular timeframe. You have made an argument that an event that would be so rare as to be generally dismissed as a freak incident makes Akin partially correct. Well, in a semantic sense and as a remote possibility you win. (Incidently it is also possible for an embryo to be anally inserted into a male's abdomen and come to term). You have pretty much defined being disengenuous for the sake of deflecting opinion away from a major farkup. So, put a notch on your mouse, and hope that this real world issue doesn't happen to your family or friends.


at this point I have no idea what you're arguing since you are still in the early bits of the discussion and haven't caught up so great.
I am not being disingenuous here nor am I deflecting from anything. In fact, eventually you'll get to the part of the thread where I (re)learned that ongoing stress can inhibit ovulation but not acute stress. Lenn has been unable to find support for this assertion but that's neither here nor there. In light of this presumed truth, I have declared the doctor wrong. I still think you're being right for the wrong reasons and repetitively so
 
2013-01-11 04:36:12 PM  

lennavan: BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus

You called it a child, not me. I agree fetus is the better word but don't come attacking me for using the wrong word, I let it go in an attempt to move the discussion forward. See:

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim.

BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.

Also, I have a few questions for you.

1) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its gender?
2) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its hair will be brown?
3) Should it be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus not born yet?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you join a huge majority of the country in also believing rights apply to the fetus. If not, seriously, what the fark is wrong with you?


It should be legal for a woman to have an abortion in all cases up to a point in the pregnancy that makes sense scientifically (no I don't feel like debating this particular point tonight) and we don't get to ask her why. And for the record there is very little wrong with me these days.

Cheers
 
2013-01-11 04:42:12 PM  

skullkrusher: I (re)learned that ongoing stress can inhibit ovulation but not acute stress. Lenn has been unable to find support for this assertion but that's neither here nor there.


Well, I found support and indeed a causative link between ongoing (chronic) stress and ovulation. Here's a review http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165037804000361

I haven't seen any data whatsoever on acute stress and ovulation, nor did I expect to. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I just have no idea how you would (morally) look into stress on the level of rape and its effect on biology. "Hey, sorry you just got raped but funny enough we're studying the immediate biological response of rape victims... mind if we run some unnecessary tests on you for science's sake? Then could you come in for a few follow-ups over the next few days? Sweet thanks."
 
2013-01-11 04:44:11 PM  

Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus

You called it a child, not me. I agree fetus is the better word but don't come attacking me for using the wrong word, I let it go in an attempt to move the discussion forward. See:

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim.

BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.

Also, I have a few questions for you.

1) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its gender?
2) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its hair will be brown?
3) Should it be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus not born yet?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you join a huge majority of the country in also believing rights apply to the fetus. If not, seriously, what the fark is wrong with you?

It should be legal for a woman to have an abortion in all cases up to a point in the pregnancy that makes sense scientifically (no I don't feel like debating this particular point tonight) and we don't get to ask her why. And for the record there is very little wrong with me these days.

Cheers



You could have just said you agree with me that rights can apply to fetuses.
 
2013-01-11 04:46:30 PM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: I (re)learned that ongoing stress can inhibit ovulation but not acute stress. Lenn has been unable to find support for this assertion but that's neither here nor there.

Well, I found support and indeed a causative link between ongoing (chronic) stress and ovulation. Here's a review http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165037804000361

I haven't seen any data whatsoever on acute stress and ovulation, nor did I expect to. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I just have no idea how you would (morally) look into stress on the level of rape and its effect on biology. "Hey, sorry you just got raped but funny enough we're studying the immediate biological response of rape victims... mind if we run some unnecessary tests on you for science's sake? Then could you come in for a few follow-ups over the next few days? Sweet thanks."


With how many rapes there are in this country, there should be no problem finding willing women.
 
2013-01-11 04:50:40 PM  
This wouldn't be an issue if uteri were allowed to protect themselves with concealed guns.
 
2013-01-11 04:51:03 PM  

lennavan: abrannan: It's simple. In their mind, they want a no exceptions clause added to any anti-abortion bill.

skullkrusher: dunno. I suppose it was to downplay the necessity of rape exemptions

Yeah I know. I guess I'd just like to hear them say it since it's such a losing argument.


There shouldn't be any rape exemptions. If a man commits a sexual act in regards to a woman, it's rape, pure and simple.
 
2013-01-11 04:53:45 PM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: I (re)learned that ongoing stress can inhibit ovulation but not acute stress. Lenn has been unable to find support for this assertion but that's neither here nor there.

Well, I found support and indeed a causative link between ongoing (chronic) stress and ovulation. Here's a review http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165037804000361

I haven't seen any data whatsoever on acute stress and ovulation, nor did I expect to. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I just have no idea how you would (morally) look into stress on the level of rape and its effect on biology. "Hey, sorry you just got raped but funny enough we're studying the immediate biological response of rape victims... mind if we run some unnecessary tests on you for science's sake? Then could you come in for a few follow-ups over the next few days? Sweet thanks."


couldn't they just interview female drivers?
 
2013-01-11 04:55:41 PM  
I'd love to see the article and journal this supposed physician is getting his information from. He should have his license revoked for making stuff up. You aren't entitled to your own facts in medicine.
 
2013-01-11 05:02:29 PM  

Twilight Farkle: From TFA:

"Mourdock basically said 'Look, if there is conception in the aftermath of a rape, that's still a child, and it's a child of God, essentially,"
Gingrey is quoted as saying Thursday.

In other words, Gingrey's saying Mourdock's God rapes children? I'm glad we got that settled.

/and a very Mary farkin' Christmas to both of these 'tards.



I see what you did there.
 
2013-01-11 05:07:02 PM  

lennavan: Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus

You called it a child, not me. I agree fetus is the better word but don't come attacking me for using the wrong word, I let it go in an attempt to move the discussion forward. See:

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim.

BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.

Also, I have a few questions for you.

1) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its gender?
2) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its hair will be brown?
3) Should it be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus not born yet?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you join a huge majority of the country in also believing rights apply to the fetus. If not, seriously, what the fark is wrong with you?

It should be legal for a woman to have an abortion in all cases up to a point in the pregnancy that makes sense scientifically (no I don't feel like debating this particular point tonight) and we don't get to ask her why. And for the record there is very little wrong with me these days.

Cheers

You could have just said you agree with me that rights can apply to fetuses.


No, I do not agree that fetuses (fetii?) have rights. I do believe that it makes sense at some point to recognise a fetus' transition to baby. I believe babies have rights.

That moment might be birth, viability outside the womb, whatever. I don't feel like debating this specific point, though I'm confident it will come up eventually.

Cheers.
 
2013-01-11 05:08:50 PM  
 
2013-01-11 05:13:08 PM  
O sane world, did you think you'd escape-
By perhaps shutting your eyes and eating a crepe-
The rancid spray of Republican spittle,
About an issue they know so little,
Can ya guess what it is? Yep, it's once again RAPE.
 
2013-01-11 05:13:21 PM  

Brian_of_Nazareth: No, I do not agree that fetuses (fetii?) have rights.


Yes you do. All you need is a quick refresher in WORDS HAVE MEANING.

A fetus (pronounced /ˈfiːtəs/; also spelled foetus, fœtus, faetus, or fætus, see below) is a developing mammal or other viviparous vertebrate after the embryonic stage and before birth.

Fetus refers to after the embryonic stage up until birth. That is what the word means. If you are ~11 weeks gestation or older but not born yet, you are called a fetus.

Brian_of_Nazareth: I do believe that it makes sense at some point to recognise a fetus' transition to baby. I believe babies have rights.


This is just babbling. Get over the words dude.

Brian_of_Nazareth: That moment might be birth, viability outside the womb


Yes, that moment might possibly be when what you call a "baby" is viable outside the womb. That would be a 26 week old fetus. Yes, fetus. You think a 26 week old viable fetus might possibly have rights. Does it or doesn't it? You don't want to discuss. I don't mind, we can stay there. A 26 week old fetus might possibly have rights. Or as I phrased it:

Lennavan: rights can apply to fetuses


Rights can apply to fetuses. Such as viable 26 week old fetuses.

Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.
 
2013-01-11 05:16:00 PM  
I find it hard to believe that anyone would come back to the whole "legitimate rape" thing, and that anyone would react to that with anything stronger than simply ignoring it.  Yet here are the Fark independents, splitting hairs over Akin being "partially right."

Yes, American women are extending their love affair with the GOP as we speak.  Your future is bright!
 
2013-01-11 05:18:00 PM  

lennavan: Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.


he wasn't the least bit dickish to you yet you had to go all lennavan... oh wait, nevermind
 
2013-01-11 05:21:18 PM  

Kibbler: I find it hard to believe that anyone would come back to the whole "legitimate rape" thing, and that anyone would react to that with anything stronger than simply ignoring it.  Yet here are the Fark independents, splitting hairs over Akin being "partially right."

Yes, American women are extending their love affair with the GOP as we speak.  Your future is bright!


you're right - people should ignore what they believe to be false even if that falsehood is used against a person or idea they disagree with. This is what honest people do. Tolerating all arguments against someone or something, despite their perceived lack of veracity, is the only way to show prove you oppose that someone or something
 
2013-01-11 05:21:45 PM  

skullkrusher: lennavan: Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.

he wasn't the least bit dickish to you yet you had to go all lennavan... oh wait, nevermind


He wasn't dickish, he was stupid. You did notice my Weeners to him wasn't "all lennavan" right? I gave him a shot. At this point he's just hung up on the words. He's okay with banning abortion in the 39th week but does not believe that means fetuses have rights because he would call it a baby at that point.
 
2013-01-11 05:24:18 PM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: lennavan: Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.

he wasn't the least bit dickish to you yet you had to go all lennavan... oh wait, nevermind

He wasn't dickish, he was stupid. You did notice my Weeners to him wasn't "all lennavan" right? I gave him a shot. At this point he's just hung up on the words. He's okay with banning abortion in the 39th week but does not believe that means fetuses have rights because he would call it a baby at that point.


yeah, it was dumb. There's a difference between being dumb and being a dumb dick.
 
2013-01-11 05:24:55 PM  
Stress is going to be my new method of birth control!
 
2013-01-11 05:27:05 PM  

skullkrusher: lennavan: skullkrusher: lennavan: Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.

he wasn't the least bit dickish to you yet you had to go all lennavan... oh wait, nevermind

He wasn't dickish, he was stupid. You did notice my Weeners to him wasn't "all lennavan" right? I gave him a shot. At this point he's just hung up on the words. He's okay with banning abortion in the 39th week but does not believe that means fetuses have rights because he would call it a baby at that point.

yeah, it was dumb. There's a difference between being dumb and being a dumb dick.


Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?
 
2013-01-11 05:29:21 PM  

pdee: Satan's Bunny Slippers: pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.

Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?

You people are really trying hard to ignore the facts.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

The time window for pregnancy is 4 to 5 days. Most of that is after ovulation. If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation the the windows is down to 24 to 48 hours.


OK. You win. After rape, a woman can become pregnant. So, a woman how has been raped and has become pregnant as a result must carry to term?
 
2013-01-11 05:29:37 PM  

lennavan: BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus

You called it a child, not me. I agree fetus is the better word but don't come attacking me for using the wrong word, I let it go in an attempt to move the discussion forward. See:

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim.

BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.

Also, I have a few questions for you.

1) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its gender?
2) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its hair will be brown?
3) Should it be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus not born yet?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you join a huge majority of the country in also believing rights apply to the fetus. If not, seriously, what the fark is wrong with you?


You seem to be unclear about how the passage of time works. You see, a woman might be pregnant now, and consider terminating that pregnancy. Now the product of the rape is a fetus, which is not a child. If she doesn't terminate the pregnancy, however, she will give birth to a child later. See how that happened? In our hypothetical, something occurred now and resulted in a consequence later - a consequence like having to see her rapist's face every day and somehow try to love it. Which is why I said that a woman might well choose to abort the fetus (which the ninny disingenuously called a child) now rather than endure that pain later.

And for the record, I very much err on the side of legally restricting abortion as little as possible, generally believing that the majority of women and physicians can be trusted to make reasonable decisions in the vast majority of cases. While I recognize that society demands some restrictions on very late term abortions, I want to make sure that doctors are still free to exercise professional judgment in determining what is in their patients' best interest.
 
2013-01-11 05:29:43 PM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: lennavan: skullkrusher: lennavan: Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.

he wasn't the least bit dickish to you yet you had to go all lennavan... oh wait, nevermind

He wasn't dickish, he was stupid. You did notice my Weeners to him wasn't "all lennavan" right? I gave him a shot. At this point he's just hung up on the words. He's okay with banning abortion in the 39th week but does not believe that means fetuses have rights because he would call it a baby at that point.

yeah, it was dumb. There's a difference between being dumb and being a dumb dick.

Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?


unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM
 
2013-01-11 05:31:03 PM  

BinderWoman: Stress is going to be my new method of birth control!



That seems like a lot of work.  Most farkers just use our personalities.
 
2013-01-11 05:32:02 PM  

skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM


Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.
 
2013-01-11 05:35:05 PM  
This whole debate is frustratingly stupid because who cares. Seriously.

People only like to talk about abortion because most Americans can't get their heads around anything more complicated. When someone on Fark wants to have a debate about whether muni bondholders should still enjoy protection from federal taxes or whether expanding LNG export permits or the H1B Visa program would provide a net benefit to the US, let me know.
 
2013-01-11 05:38:12 PM  

BMulligan: Which is why I said that a woman might well choose to abort the fetus (which the ninny disingenuously called a child) now rather than endure that pain later.


You should have pointed that out to him, not me. I just used the terms you guys had already used.

BMulligan: While I recognize that society demands some restrictions on very late term abortions


Also known as the fetus has rights.

BMulligan: I very much err on the side of legally restricting abortion as little as possible


But you are okay with some restriction. This means you believe at some point the fetus has rights, at some point the fetus is an individual, you are okay with the government getting between a woman and her doctor and you are okay with regulating a woman's uterus. These are all really stupid phrases accusatory phrases pro-choicers throw around that secretly, we all actually agree to.

BMulligan: Which is why I said that a woman might well choose to abort the fetus (which the ninny disingenuously called a child) now rather than endure that pain later.


I have no idea why you are posting this to me. I think you have the wrong person.
 
2013-01-11 05:39:35 PM  

FloydA: BinderWoman: Stress is going to be my new method of birth control!


That seems like a lot of work.  Most farkers just use our personalities.


Shouldn't be too difficult. I'll just read the Fark politics tab.
 
2013-01-11 05:43:55 PM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM

Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.


Accepted. There are reasons I avoid this topic other than to lurk.

Cheers.

//And skullkrusher, I think I have to update how you're farkied
 
2013-01-11 05:46:06 PM  

Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM

Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.

Accepted. There are reasons I avoid this topic other than to lurk.

Cheers.

//And skullkrusher, I think I have to update how you're farkied


Your old one was probably more accurate.
 
2013-01-11 05:56:02 PM  

pdee: Im pretty sure there have been no double blind studies involving raping women to determine rates on impregnation.


Double blind? No.

pdee: We only know that stress both physical and mental decrease rates of impregnation.


Only know? "What you mean 'we', white man?"

You can check the empirical research links that Kome dredged up around when Akin first sounded off.

skullkrusher: All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.


Theoretically sound. However, the difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there often happens to be one.
 
2013-01-11 05:59:36 PM  
I would like to know of a concrete case of illegitimate rape.
 
2013-01-11 06:12:04 PM  

lennavan: BMulligan: Which is why I said that a woman might well choose to abort the fetus (which the ninny disingenuously called a child) now rather than endure that pain later.

You should have pointed that out to him, not me. I just used the terms you guys had already used.

BMulligan: While I recognize that society demands some restrictions on very late term abortions

Also known as the fetus has rights.

BMulligan: I very much err on the side of legally restricting abortion as little as possible

But you are okay with some restriction. This means you believe at some point the fetus has rights, at some point the fetus is an individual, you are okay with the government getting between a woman and her doctor and you are okay with regulating a woman's uterus. These are all really stupid phrases accusatory phrases pro-choicers throw around that secretly, we all actually agree to.

BMulligan: Which is why I said that a woman might well choose to abort the fetus (which the ninny disingenuously called a child) now rather than endure that pain later.

I have no idea why you are posting this to me. I think you have the wrong person.


Because I was responding to your idiotic post, in which you thought you had scored some sort of wicked burn because you imagined some inconsistency in my use of the words "child" and "fetus."

And you should not assume that I am okay with the present restrictions on abortion. I am not. I would prefer that the matter be left entirely to the woman and her doctor. That is not the political reality at the moment, however.
 
2013-01-11 06:12:12 PM  

lennavan: Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM

Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.

Accepted. There are reasons I avoid this topic other than to lurk.

Cheers.

//And skullkrusher, I think I have to update how you're farkied

Your old one was probably more accurate.


Only if it referred to my improbably large penis. Penis is what I call my ego. And my penis

/penis
 
2013-01-11 06:14:22 PM  
FTFA:In it, Gingrey claims the quotes are being unfairly used by his political enemies.

Stop quoting the words I use.
 
2013-01-11 06:14:54 PM  

skullkrusher: lennavan: Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM

Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.

Accepted. There are reasons I avoid this topic other than to lurk.

Cheers.

//And skullkrusher, I think I have to update how you're farkied

Your old one was probably more accurate.

Only if it referred to my improbably large penis. Penis is what I call my ego. And my penis

/penis


I was wrong, no need to change it.

Cheers.
 
2013-01-11 06:16:55 PM  

Brian_of_Nazareth: skullkrusher: lennavan: Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM

Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.

Accepted. There are reasons I avoid this topic other than to lurk.

Cheers.

//And skullkrusher, I think I have to update how you're farkied

Your old one was probably more accurate.

Only if it referred to my improbably large penis. Penis is what I call my ego. And my penis

/penis

I was wrong, no need to change it.

Cheers.


Ha!
 
2013-01-11 06:32:52 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: burndtdan: In an attempt to absolutely deny that there can be any nuance on the issue of abortion, these politicians are instead forced to insist there is nuance on the issue of rape.

UnrepentantApostate: And it all ignores that the likelihood of conceiving from rape has absolutely no bearing on a raped woman's right to an abortion.

Yep and yep.


Yeah, that kind of got lost. FWIW, I'm sorry.
 
2013-01-11 06:37:06 PM  

pdee: Pincy: Christ, what is wrong with some of you people. Are you trying to tell us that women never get pregnant from rape?

Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.

This starts each time when a pro-life politician is ask about rape babies. Akin wanted to pretend that women almost never get pregnant from rape so we dont need to consider the possibility.

The press know most people support a rape victim being able to abort the child of the rapist. Religious fundies see abortion as murder and expect their candidates to be against all abortions. So asking a right wing politician about rape babies is a guaranteed gotcha.


Ooh, you're so close to rationality.
 
2013-01-11 06:38:28 PM  

Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.


FTFY
 
2013-01-11 06:48:54 PM  

pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.


So you are arguing that rape can result in pregancy. Do you also maintain that a woman pregnant as a result of rape should be be forced by law to carry the rapist's child to term? That should be an up or down answer BTW.
 
2013-01-11 06:54:53 PM  

wjmorris3: The OB/GYN is dead wrong, as almost 100% of pregnancies in this country stem from rape.


And all homosexual liasons are with right wing fundementalists in public washrooms.
 
2013-01-11 07:00:08 PM  

skullkrusher: pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

BUT, the research shows that acute instances of stress does not have the impact that ongoing stress does on ovulation so the doctor was wrong.


Yeah. Trolling about this...sorry, sometimes I've seen.you make points that I didn't agree with, but caused me to think. Trolling this?
 
2013-01-11 07:00:56 PM  

Mike_1962: wjmorris3: The OB/GYN is dead wrong, as almost 100% of pregnancies in this country stem from rape.

And all homosexual liasons are with right wing fundementalists in public washrooms.


I never said that about washrooms. The problem is that we as a country are desensitized against rape. We accept sex where the woman consents as not rape when the opposite is actually true.
 
2013-01-11 07:06:40 PM  

lennavan: Mike_1962: Incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Stress may have some effect on OVULATION. Not impregnation. The victim is already either ovulating, or not at the time of the brutalization. You two are either trolling, or are a couple of the most disgusting creatures I have ever encountered.

Look Mike, here's the thing. I agree with your conclusion. But your reasons are just really terrible. I mean really terrible. Here you fail to grasp the connection between ovulation and impregnation? You don't know how ovulation might be relevant to getting pregnant?

Mike_1962: Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected?

Corvus writes something that demonstrates he was unaware chronic stress reduces ovulation, which reduces your chances of getting pregnant. Skullkrusher mocks him for that. And your response is to pretend skullkrusher thinks eggs are released when sperm comes around? Where the fark did you pull that one from?

Dude, I agree with your conclusion. But I'm a biologist. You're seriously raping my field. Actual, legitimate rape. Stop it already.


Yeah, sorry. Got caught up in the stupid, and cause and effect went all to hell. Well, that and beer.
 
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