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(Talking Points Memo)   Rep. Phil Gingrey (R), an OB/GYN, goes full derp and defends Todd Akin's legitimate rape comments. Folks, this is the modern GOP   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 474
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2013-01-11 02:56:43 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display

Was Gingrey statement comparing the stressful situation he mentioned to rape or not?

no

Ahh so then you agree his statement had NOTHING to do with supporting Akins statement about rape and I was right all along.


no - see, he didn't compare trying to have a kid with rape. He said that couples experience stress trying to conceive and he recommends they relax. He didn't pull something ridiculous like driving out of his ass although he is apparently as ignorant of the different impacts between acute and ongoing stress as I was.
 
2013-01-11 02:57:10 PM

serpent_sky: How is it even possible there are this many idiots, in positions of power, who actively defend and embrace rape?  I really felt like rape was something that nearly everyone in the universe agreed was a terrible thing, and yet, every other day, someone in the Republican party comes out with a new way of saying it's not so bad.  I honestly don't understand how the party has essentially come out in goddamned  favor of rape. Of all the things in the entire universe they could come out in favor of, that's the one they chose?  Carjacking would be more popular.


Well let's see here. Egalitarian Half-Baked Theory Times:

Rape = vicious power move on somebody else
People in Power = people who like to have power over others
There may be some overlap between Rape and People in Power.

People in power tend to de-anthropomorphize those who aren't in power and consequently tend to use poor/vulnerable people as objects. And people in power will act to protect each other's privilege in this respect, or at least their own reputation. See: Sandusky scandal, Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, that pedophile BBC announcer. It seems like an unfortunate but common theme in societies that the rich prey on the poor and weak, and such predation is often protected.

Many conservative men prefer that women be a subordinate group. An effective way to keep women subordinate is rape. Also to remove options to control their own lives, like birth control and abortion. Why not be pro-life and dismiss the seriousness of rape at the same time? The internal logic must make sense to these a-holes, even if they don't spell it out to themselves explicitly.

\there's a lot more to it, Good Ol' Boys and all that, but it's a start
 
2013-01-11 02:57:14 PM

cameroncrazy1984: pdee: Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.

Answer the question. How would adrenaline stay in the body long enough to prevent ovulation after the rape?


Adrenaline can be caused by stress. How long after rape does the stress last?
 
2013-01-11 02:58:38 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.


??? He said that stress can prevent ovulation. How in the hell can you possibly relate that to rape? He was acting as an apologist for two people who trivialized rape for the sake of political pandering.
 
2013-01-11 02:59:29 PM

skullkrusher:

sorry skull. I shouldn't have included you in this comment to pdee, as you are not being willfully obtuse about this point.

my bad.

honestly, I'll happily back off support for Gingrey here if the research shows that acute stress does not impact ovulation while long term stress does. I think I even have had this conversation before but apparently forgot. Seeing the acute vs long term distinction in Amiable's link reminded me. My bad.


I've disagreed with you on lots of things here, and still do, but at least you are open to information, which counts for alot.

Gingrey is a dick, and ham fisted with words every bit as much as Mourdoch and Akin. They all should all just STFU about rape of any kind and go crawl in a hole.
 
2013-01-11 03:00:28 PM

Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

??? He said that stress can prevent ovulation. How in the hell can you possibly relate that to rape? He was acting as an apologist for two people who trivialized rape for the sake of political pandering.


I dunno - cuz ovulation is necessary for pregnancy and rape is very stressful? I've since learned (been reminded) that there is a different impact between acute and ongoing stress in terms of ovulation but this shouldn't be as hard to get as so many have pretended it to be. Their quibbles weren't with the different types of stress.
 
2013-01-11 03:01:14 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher:

sorry skull. I shouldn't have included you in this comment to pdee, as you are not being willfully obtuse about this point.

my bad.

honestly, I'll happily back off support for Gingrey here if the research shows that acute stress does not impact ovulation while long term stress does. I think I even have had this conversation before but apparently forgot. Seeing the acute vs long term distinction in Amiable's link reminded me. My bad.

I've disagreed with you on lots of things here, and still do, but at least you are open to information, which counts for alot.

Gingrey is a dick, and ham fisted with words every bit as much as Mourdoch and Akin. They all should all just STFU about rape of any kind and go crawl in a hole.


well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place
 
2013-01-11 03:01:52 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.

Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?


You people are really trying hard to ignore the facts.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

The time window for pregnancy is 4 to 5 days. Most of that is after ovulation. If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation the the windows is down to 24 to 48 hours.
 
2013-01-11 03:03:27 PM

pdee:

The time window for pregnancy is 4 to 5 days. Most of that is after ovulation. If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation the the windows is down to 24 to 48 hours.


pdee- Skull was smart enough to revise his opinion when presented with contrary information. You should really follow his lead.
 
2013-01-11 03:03:36 PM

BMulligan: pdee: If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.

And if she isn't raped at all, even less likely yet to get pregnant. Perhaps that's the problem our elected representatives should be addressing, and not God's gift of rape babies.


Ill go out on a limb here but I think that if the press stops asking them about rape babies they will stop talking about rape.
 
2013-01-11 03:04:00 PM
Christ, what is wrong with some of you people. Are you trying to tell us that women never get pregnant from rape?

Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.
 
2013-01-11 03:05:25 PM

skullkrusher:

well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place


yep. and this filter pwn really did make me snerk out loud.
 
Xai
2013-01-11 03:05:42 PM
Jesus america is farked up
 
2013-01-11 03:06:18 PM

cameroncrazy1984: pdee: cameroncrazy1984: pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.

Question: how would adrenaline stay in the system to prevent ovulation for 3-5 days?

So how long do think it takes the average women to get over the stress of being raped? What about 5 min?

That wasn't the question. They don't have adrenaline in their system for 3-5 days after the incident. It's the adrenaline that supposedly staves off the ovulation, right?


You cant really be that stupid can you?

The Relationship between Adrenaline and Stress
 
2013-01-11 03:07:50 PM
This whole topic is really morbidly hilarious. In an attempt to absolutely deny that there can be any nuance on the issue of abortion, these politicians are instead forced to insist there is nuance on the issue of rape.
 
2013-01-11 03:08:02 PM
Holy shiat. Are you farking KIDDING?
This is like someone who, when told fire is hot, sticks their hand in it, gets burned, has to go to the emergency room, runs up huge medical bills, gets a staph infection, has to declare bankruptcy...
Then once they get done with all that they stick their goddamn hand in the fire AGAIN.
They just. Don't. Learn.
 
2013-01-11 03:10:14 PM
And it all ignores that the likelihood of conceiving from rape has absolutely no bearing on a raped woman's right to an abortion.
 
2013-01-11 03:11:14 PM

DeltaPunch: PsiChick: Yeah, gotta say, I feel sorry for anyone reading this article and going "Oh, fark, that was my ob-gyn!".

I still remember my first visit to Dr. Gingrey's office quite vividly. Throughout the checkup, he kept making "tut-tut" sounds as if he were deeply disappointed with what he was inspecting. At one point he stopped and slowly raised his eyes up toward mine, just barely peering at me over the hem of my patient's smock. He gaze lingered on mine for an uncomfortable amount of time, his hot breath wafting over the lips of my stretched inner labia, before he whispered to me, ever so quietly, "you're quite the little slut, aren't you?"

Needless to say, I walked out of his office with TWO lollipops that day.

johnabcitizen.com
 
2013-01-11 03:11:38 PM

burndtdan: In an attempt to absolutely deny that there can be any nuance on the issue of abortion, these politicians are instead forced to insist there is nuance on the issue of rape.


UnrepentantApostate: And it all ignores that the likelihood of conceiving from rape has absolutely no bearing on a raped woman's right to an abortion.


Yep and yep.
 
2013-01-11 03:12:59 PM
Republicans Please stick to the economy and foreign affairs.

Social issues, never speak of them again.

That is all.
 
2013-01-11 03:12:59 PM

pdee: Ill go out on a limb here but I think that if the press stops asking them about rape babies they will stop talking about rape.


And by "press" you mean the audience at the Cobb Chamber of Commerce breakfast Thursday in Smyrna, GA mistakenly asking why the Democrats made abortion a central theme of the Presidential campaign, of course.
 
2013-01-11 03:14:04 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher:

well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place

yep. and this filter pwn really did make me snerk out loud.


That wasn't a filter pwn, which makes it even funnier ;)
 
2013-01-11 03:14:59 PM

Pincy: Christ, what is wrong with some of you people. Are you trying to tell us that women never get pregnant from rape?

Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.


This starts each time when a pro-life politician is ask about rape babies. Akin wanted to pretend that women almost never get pregnant from rape so we dont need to consider the possibility.

The press know most people support a rape victim being able to abort the child of the rapist. Religious fundies see abortion as murder and expect their candidates to be against all abortions. So asking a right wing politician about rape babies is a guaranteed gotcha.
 
2013-01-11 03:15:00 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.


Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.
 
2013-01-11 03:16:29 PM

lennavan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher:

well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place

yep. and this filter pwn really did make me snerk out loud.

That wasn't a filter pwn, which makes it even funnier ;)


I shant be filter pwnd!
 
2013-01-11 03:18:08 PM

Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.


I don't know what to say. I've admitted that I was wrong because of the acute/long term stress thing but you still insist on being right (that the doctor was wrong) but for entirely wrong reasons.

Not my leaders, bud. I just argue.
 
2013-01-11 03:18:35 PM

pdee: Pincy: Christ, what is wrong with some of you people. Are you trying to tell us that women never get pregnant from rape?

Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.

This starts each time when a pro-life politician is ask about rape babies. Akin wanted to pretend that women almost never get pregnant from rape so we dont need to consider the possibility.

The press know most people support a rape victim being able to abort the child of the rapist. Religious fundies see abortion as murder and expect their candidates to be against all abortions. So asking a right wing politician about rape babies is a guaranteed gotcha.


Well, the right wing candidate could just be honest and say "I don't think women should be able to have abortions because abortion is murder" instead of trying to use some tortured logic to appear more reasonable. It isn't a "gotcha" unless they make it one.
 
2013-01-11 03:18:48 PM

Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.


The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.
 
2013-01-11 03:19:49 PM

serpent_sky: Corvus: Some people have severe anxiety attacks because of driving. But thanks for making fun of people who have a serious issue retard.

I have severe anxiety attacks, and have gotten them while driving. As awful as they are, I could never even kind of, sort of, compare them to rape.  I was raped four years ago, and I'm still not okay.  However, even my worst panic attacks only last a few minutes and I have medicine that can put an end to them rather quickly. Rape, not so much. Your comparison is completely ridiculous.


I'm really sorry to hear that, serpent_sky. That really, really sucks.
 
2013-01-11 03:21:59 PM

FloydA: They really don't know when to quit.


Quit? It's written right in the damn republican party platform.

Republican Party Platform of 2012 Convention concerning abortion
 
2013-01-11 03:22:02 PM
The OB/GYN is dead wrong, as almost 100% of pregnancies in this country stem from rape.
 
2013-01-11 03:22:04 PM

pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.


Oh jesus christ, are you really that obtuse or do you just play one on TV?
 
2013-01-11 03:22:14 PM

pdee: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

His explanation showed that women don't get pregnant from rape to be what percentage to be true?

And give the exact quote that supports it.

Im pretty sure there have been no double blind studies involving raping women to determine rates on impregnation. We only know that stress both physical and mental decrease rates of impregnation. Akin's statement while stupid and largely based on his belief in an invisible sky man is NOT without some basis in fact.


Incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Stress may have some effect on OVULATION. Not impregnation. The victim is already either ovulating, or not at the time of the brutalization. You two are either trolling, or are a couple of the most disgusting creatures I have ever encountered.
 
2013-01-11 03:24:23 PM

pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.


BUT, the research shows that acute instances of stress does not have the impact that ongoing stress does on ovulation so the doctor was wrong.
 
2013-01-11 03:25:25 PM

Pincy: pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

Oh jesus christ, are you really that obtuse or do you just play one on TV?


Im simply stating a fact. What do you think im missing?
 
2013-01-11 03:26:04 PM

Mike_1962: pdee: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

His explanation showed that women don't get pregnant from rape to be what percentage to be true?

And give the exact quote that supports it.

Im pretty sure there have been no double blind studies involving raping women to determine rates on impregnation. We only know that stress both physical and mental decrease rates of impregnation. Akin's statement while stupid and largely based on his belief in an invisible sky man is NOT without some basis in fact.

Incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Stress may have some effect on OVULATION. Not impregnation. The victim is already either ovulating, or not at the time of the brutalization. You two are either trolling, or are a couple of the most disgusting creatures I have ever encountered.


this is amazing. Stress may impact ovulation but not fertilization. What wonders Fark doth unveil.
 
2013-01-11 03:26:18 PM
Someone who tries to excuse any form of rape probably oughtn't have a medical license.
 
2013-01-11 03:26:24 PM

Pincy: It isn't a "gotcha" unless they make it one.


It isn't a gotcha question if the question is about abortion and it's asked by a member of the Cobb Chamber of Commerce not "the press" and it's Gringrey himself who decides to wax poetic about rape glorious rape.

But you know, Republicans; always the victim.
 
2013-01-11 03:26:30 PM

PsiChick: DeaH: Next time my insurance causes me to find yet another ob-gyn, I am going to look at political affiliation. Republicans simply do not do science well.

Yeah, gotta say, I feel sorry for anyone reading this article and going "Oh,  fark, that was my ob-gyn!". Malpractice investigations might be warranted here.


Of course, I feel like I am being a little unfair.

It's not just matters gynecological at which they stink. Remember Dr. Frist and the Schiavo case?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-11 03:26:31 PM
This applies to EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD

www.patentspostgrant.com
 
2013-01-11 03:26:33 PM

Soup4Bonnie: pdee: Ill go out on a limb here but I think that if the press stops asking them about rape babies they will stop talking about rape.

And by "press" you mean the audience at the Cobb Chamber of Commerce breakfast Thursday in Smyrna, GA mistakenly asking why the Democrats made abortion a central theme of the Presidential campaign, of course.


Sometimes I think they define "press" as anyone who asks a question the answer to which later becomes inconvenient.
 
2013-01-11 03:27:11 PM

Pincy:

Oh jesus christ, are you really that obtuse or do you just play one on TV?


No, no, he really is. I changed the channel, couldn't stand him anymore.
 
2013-01-11 03:27:44 PM

Mike_1962: Incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Stress may have some effect on OVULATION. Not impregnation. The victim is already either ovulating, or not at the time of the brutalization. You two are either trolling, or are a couple of the most disgusting creatures I have ever encountered.


Those aren't mutually exclusive.  Plus, they can also be stupid.  All three can apply at the same time (legitimately).
 
2013-01-11 03:28:03 PM

Mike_1962: Incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Stress may have some effect on OVULATION. Not impregnation. The victim is already either ovulating, or not at the time of the brutalization. You two are either trolling, or are a couple of the most disgusting creatures I have ever encountered.


Look Mike, here's the thing. I agree with your conclusion. But your reasons are just really terrible. I mean really terrible. Here you fail to grasp the connection between ovulation and impregnation? You don't know how ovulation might be relevant to getting pregnant?

Mike_1962: Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected?


Corvus writes something that demonstrates he was unaware chronic stress reduces ovulation, which reduces your chances of getting pregnant. Skullkrusher mocks him for that. And your response is to pretend skullkrusher thinks eggs are released when sperm comes around? Where the fark did you pull that one from?

Dude, I agree with your conclusion. But I'm a biologist. You're seriously raping my field. Actual, legitimate rape. Stop it already.
 
2013-01-11 03:28:14 PM

skullkrusher: pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

BUT, the research shows that acute instances of stress does not have the impact that ongoing stress d ...


PTSD = Ongoing Stress

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in Rape Survivors
 
2013-01-11 03:28:53 PM

pdee: Pincy: pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

Oh jesus christ, are you really that obtuse or do you just play one on TV?

Im simply stating ...


OK, thanks for answering my question.
 
2013-01-11 03:29:11 PM
Okay, the fact that you guys have followed this rabbit trail arguing over mechanics of ovulation and fertilization and implantation makes me sad. The idea that the stress of a rape may, in a few cases, prevent pregnancy is not what Todd Akin was arguing. He was arguing that the stress of rape prevents pregnancy in such an overwhelming majority of cases that pregnancy from rape is a such a negligible concern that pregnant rape victims are not worth worrying about when drafting policy. That is not partially right, or misunderstood, or an exaggeration. That is just wrong, and Gingrey's support is disingenuous.

Todd Akin was not arguing that rain may, in certain cases, put out a house fire; he was arguing that houses basically never catch fire when it's raining.
 
2013-01-11 03:31:03 PM

pdee: skullkrusher: pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

BUT, the research shows that acute instances of stress does not have the impact that on ...


There is no doubt in my mind that the stress of being raped goes on for a very long time and that that can impact future pregnancy chances. We're talking about the chances from the initial act itself, however. There's not enough time for that to be "ongoing" stress. That's still in the acute category
 
2013-01-11 03:31:20 PM

skullkrusher: lennavan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher:

well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place

yep. and this filter pwn really did make me snerk out loud.

That wasn't a filter pwn, which makes it even funnier ;)

I shant be filter pwnd!


Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
 
2013-01-11 03:31:33 PM

Martian_Astronomer: He was arguing that the stress of rape prevents pregnancy in such an overwhelming majority of cases that pregnancy from rape is a such a negligible concern that pregnant rape victims are not worth worrying about when drafting policy.


Ya, we know that, we are just having fun with people who are trying to pretend that that wasn't the case.
 
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