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(Talking Points Memo)   Rep. Phil Gingrey (R), an OB/GYN, goes full derp and defends Todd Akin's legitimate rape comments. Folks, this is the modern GOP   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 474
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2013-01-11 02:35:45 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: ...except one study suggesting that ACUTE STRESS may INDUCE OVULATION.


That makes a weird kind of sense in a way. Trees can produce a ton of seeds/fruit when they're under stress. They perceive that they are under threat, so they try desperately to reproduce in case they're about to kick the bucket.
 
2013-01-11 02:36:21 PM  

Corvus: sprawl15: Corvus: pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.

So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!

Yup. It's every woman's responsibility to dump the evidence.

And according to skullkrusher and pdee women don't try to clean up after rapes. I guess it's because they are all whores or something.


According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.
 
2013-01-11 02:36:33 PM  
Hey! It's a Fark party!

www.weareultraviolet.org
 
2013-01-11 02:37:22 PM  

skullkrusher: only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.


I wasn't I was showing that you argument was stupid.

Here is SOMEONE who compared it to "not relaxing"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/01/phil-gingrey-1-cropped -p roto-custom_28.jpg

"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"

You must really think he is an idiot --- Oh wait no you have been defending his statement this whole time!!!
 
2013-01-11 02:37:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Answer the question. How would adrenaline stay in the body long enough to prevent ovulation after the rape?


I think they use a turkey baster.
 
2013-01-11 02:37:42 PM  

pdee: Corvus: sprawl15: Corvus: pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.

So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!

Yup. It's every woman's responsibility to dump the evidence.

And according to skullkrusher and pdee women don't try to clean up after rapes. I guess it's because they are all whores or something.

According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.


Which is 3-5 days later?
 
2013-01-11 02:38:01 PM  

imontheinternet: [monkeysgonetoheaven.com image 300x450]

Hello, you've reached the Fark gynecology department. What can we help you with today?


I'm sorry. I know it's inhumane and inexcusable, but I just can't look at a chimp in clothes and not laugh out loud.
 
2013-01-11 02:38:02 PM  

pdee: Corvus: sprawl15: Corvus: pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.

So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!

Yup. It's every woman's responsibility to dump the evidence.

And according to skullkrusher and pdee women don't try to clean up after rapes. I guess it's because they are all whores or something.

According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.


And that takes 4 to 5 days? WOW!!! You are really educating us.
 
2013-01-11 02:38:31 PM  

amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.


what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?
 
2013-01-11 02:39:01 PM  

someonelse: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: ...except one study suggesting that ACUTE STRESS may INDUCE OVULATION.

That makes a weird kind of sense in a way. Trees can produce a ton of seeds/fruit when they're under stress. They perceive that they are under threat, so they try desperately to reproduce in case they're about to kick the bucket.


It's almost as if women's bodies do not function in a universally blanket way.
 
2013-01-11 02:39:03 PM  

BMulligan: imontheinternet: [monkeysgonetoheaven.com image 300x450]

Hello, you've reached the Fark gynecology department. What can we help you with today?

I'm sorry. I know it's inhumane and inexcusable, but I just can't look at a chimp in clothes and not laugh out loud.


Remember it's unfair to show that they have statements completely conflicting each other.
 
2013-01-11 02:39:54 PM  

Mentat: Hide it under a bushel?  NO!  I'm gonna let it derp!


Almost spit tea all over my keyboard!
 
2013-01-11 02:40:03 PM  

fenianfark: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

Is it just me, or does he look a lot like Jeremy Clarkson?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 230x345]
/The most legitimate rape IN THE WORLD


Heh, I thought that too.
 
2013-01-11 02:40:11 PM  

pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.


Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?
 
2013-01-11 02:40:40 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: amiable: This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you can tell they do not own the equipment.

They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

It's a fun read here at work on a slow friday afternoon.


What the fark are you talking about?

If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.
 
2013-01-11 02:40:53 PM  

someonelse: Trees can produce a ton of seeds/fruit when they're under stress. They perceive that they are under threat, so they try desperately to reproduce in case they're about to kick the bucket.


You know people don't really consider that when all they have on their mind is getting a piece of ash.
 
2013-01-11 02:41:29 PM  

Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.

So some women are on the birth control. And Birth control makes it harder to get pregnant too. Those women get raped. So that also supports that it's harder to get pregnant from rape too using that logic right?

Rape causes stress. Your statement is nonsense.

Yes but the ovulation is not occurring at the time of rape so the stress has no bearing at all to the pregnancy that would happen from that rape.


WRONG
 
2013-01-11 02:41:57 PM  

skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.

what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?


So is this guy a complete idiot for comparing "being tense and uptight" to being raped?

talkingpointsmemo.com
"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right [about rape] wasn't he?"


Or do you have two sets of rules for that like usual?
 
2013-01-11 02:42:26 PM  
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2013-01-11 02:42:42 PM  

Corvus: skullkrusher: only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

I wasn't I was showing that you argument was stupid.

Here is SOMEONE who compared it to "not relaxing"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/01/phil-gingrey-1-cropped -p roto-custom_28.jpg
"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"

You must really think he is an idiot --- Oh wait no you have been defending his statement this whole time!!!


no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display
 
2013-01-11 02:43:01 PM  

pdee: If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.


And if she isn't raped at all, even less likely yet to get pregnant. Perhaps that's the problem our elected representatives should be addressing, and not God's gift of rape babies.
 
2013-01-11 02:43:03 PM  

pdee: Satan's Bunny Slippers: amiable: This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you can tell they do not own the equipment.

They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

It's a fun read here at work on a slow friday afternoon.

What the fark are you talking about?

If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.



No farktard. A woman is much less likely to conceive after being raped because she has been to the hospital and received treatment that includes the morning after pill should she so choose.

Your silly argument is becoming belabored and boring. Good bye.
 
2013-01-11 02:43:29 PM  

pdee: Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.

So some women are on the birth control. And Birth control makes it harder to get pregnant too. Those women get raped. So that also supports that it's harder to get pregnant from rape too using that logic right?

Rape causes stress. Your statement is nonsense.

Yes but the ovulation is not occurring at the time of rape so the stress has no bearing at all to the pregnancy that would happen from that rape.

WRONG


So then women can't get pregnant from being raped? Akins was right?
 
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2013-01-11 02:44:14 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: AdolfOliverPanties: So if a woman just relaxes, drinks a glass of wine and isn't so tense and uptight, she'll enjoy her rape and there's a chance of impregnation.

"As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it."

~Clayton Williams (R - TX) gubernatorial candidate (shockingly, he lost) and John McCain fund raiser


If Claytie and Anne Richards were running for governor of Texas today he could probably say crap like this every day and still get elected.
 
2013-01-11 02:44:14 PM  

BMulligan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

No, you're misstating their point. Their point is not that the rape victim will have sex again in the next few days; their point is that it's just barely possible that a women might be raped at the moment that she would otherwise have been ovulating, and therefore will avoid pregnancy, where a lascivious slut will enjoy being raped, ovulate as scheduled during the act, then become pregnant days later by the rapist's jizz which she stored in her vajayjay for just such a nefarious purpose. Then, of course, she'll cry rape so that the 47% will have to buy Air Jordans some day for her non-rape rape-baby.

I didn't say it was a good point


As always fark libs cant argue what has been said they only argue what the want to pretend someone else said.
 
2013-01-11 02:44:47 PM  

skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.

what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?


I'm mocking you, because this is the most mock-worthy thread I have seen on FARK for literally years. It has 2 schlubs who obviously know jack and shiat about how the female reproductive system works (hint: rape does not lower the likelihood of pregnancy - http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/health/rape-pregnancy/index.html , http://news.yahoo.com/rape-trauma-barrier-pregnancy-no-scientific-basi s-235231028.html - if you believe this you are a full on retard) Trying to defend another idiot for saying it. You deserve all the mocking you are getting because you are being utterly ridiculous.
 
2013-01-11 02:45:18 PM  

skullkrusher: whereas rape will impart insane amounts of stress on the toughest woman.


A nice towel of chloroform will quickly get rid of that stress.
 
2013-01-11 02:45:30 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.

Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?


I have disregarded this police investigation/"what if she cleans up" aspect. Women can get pregnant for days after having sex. It is factually true and not disputed by anyone who knew that before coming into this thread but disregarded by those who did not know it and now are afraid to recognize it because it would cause a loss of face
 
2013-01-11 02:45:55 PM  

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

I wasn't I was showing that you argument was stupid.

Here is SOMEONE who compared it to "not relaxing"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/01/phil-gingrey-1-cropped -p roto-custom_28.jpg
"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"

You must really think he is an idiot --- Oh wait no you have been defending his statement this whole time!!!

no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display


No I wasn't I was comparing it to the "tense and uptight" and stress that Gingrey was referring to.


So Gingrey was not comparing it to rape at all now? Now it had NOTHING to do with the rape statement?
 
2013-01-11 02:46:03 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: someonelse: Trees can produce a ton of seeds/fruit when they're under stress. They perceive that they are under threat, so they try desperately to reproduce in case they're about to kick the bucket.

You know people don't really consider that when all they have on their mind is getting a piece of ash.


theouterbox.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-11 02:46:56 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.

Question: how would adrenaline stay in the system to prevent ovulation for 3-5 days?


So how long do think it takes the average women to get over the stress of being raped? What about 5 min?
 
2013-01-11 02:47:44 PM  

amiable: skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.

what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?

I'm mocking you, because this is the most mock-worthy thread I have seen on FARK for literally years. It has 2 schlubs who obviously know jack and shiat about how the female reproductive system works (hint: rape does not lower the likelihood of pregnancy - http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/health/rape-pregnancy/index.html , http://news.yahoo.com/rape-trauma-barrier-pregnancy-no-scientific-basi s-235231028.html - if you believe this you are a full on retard) Trying to defend another idiot for saying it. You deserve all the mocking you are getting because you are being utterly ridiculous.


Fine, I'll take your links over Gingrey.
Perhaps acute stress does not have the same impact that long term stress does. If that is the case, then Gingrey is wrong and Akin is 100% wrong.
 
2013-01-11 02:48:17 PM  

skullkrusher: no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display


Was Gingrey statement comparing the stressful situation he mentioned to rape or not?
 
2013-01-11 02:50:02 PM  

pdee: cameroncrazy1984: pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.

Question: how would adrenaline stay in the system to prevent ovulation for 3-5 days?

So how long do think it takes the average women to get over the stress of being raped? What about 5 min?


That wasn't the question. They don't have adrenaline in their system for 3-5 days after the incident. It's the adrenaline that supposedly staves off the ovulation, right?
 
2013-01-11 02:50:17 PM  

Dog Welder: I fail to see how any person with a vagina votes Republican these days, but there you have it...they are out there.


I don't see how anyone who is not a sociopathic masochist votes Republican.

It's very very sad how many humans in our country are sociopathicl.
 
2013-01-11 02:50:30 PM  

skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.

what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?

I'm mocking you, because this is the most mock-worthy thread I have seen on FARK for literally years. It has 2 schlubs who obviously know jack and shiat about how the female reproductive system works (hint: rape does not lower the likelihood of pregnancy - http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/health/rape-pregnancy/index.html , http://news.yahoo.com/rape-trauma-barrier-pregnancy-no-scientific-basi s-235231028.html - if you believe this you are a full on retard) Trying to defend another idiot for saying it. You deserve all the mocking you are getting because you are being utterly ridiculous.

Fine, I'll take your links over Gingrey.
Perhaps acute stress does not have the same impact that long term stress does. If that is the case, then Gingrey is wrong and Akin is 100% wrong.


as an addendum, I actually have a very good understanding of how female reproduction works having gone through meetings with my wife's OBGYN advising us on the best ways to get pregnant. Avoiding stress as much as possible was the #1, non-obvious recommendation she made. It's the difference between acute and long term stress here that the research apparently highlights.
 
2013-01-11 02:50:59 PM  

Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant.

So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

How much of a factor is it based on the ovulation THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED hours ago before the rape from 0 = Being no facotor at all. 3- being a partial factor. and 5- being can't get pregnant like Akins said?

Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

So where was this in Gingrey statement? You DO know the original point I was making don't you?


No. I have no idea what your original point was. But it looks like on your 0 to 5 scale the answer is 2.5 to 5.
 
2013-01-11 02:51:06 PM  

Corvus: skullkrusher: no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display

Was Gingrey statement comparing the stressful situation he mentioned to rape or not?


no
 
2013-01-11 02:51:11 PM  

pdee: Question: how would adrenaline stay in the system to prevent ovulation for 3-5 days?

So how long do think it takes the average women to get over the stress of being raped? What about 5 min?


It can and often takes years, if one ever really does recover fully from it. But it's not a constant adrenaline surge, not even in the days immediately after.
 
2013-01-11 02:51:43 PM  

skullkrusher: Satan's Bunny Slippers: pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.

Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?

I have disregarded this police investigation/"what if she cleans up" aspect. Women can get pregnant for days after having sex. It is factually true and not disputed by anyone who knew that before coming into this thread but disregarded by those who did not know it and now are afraid to recognize it because it would cause a loss of face


sorry skull. I shouldn't have included you in this comment to pdee, as you are not being willfully obtuse about this point.

my bad.
 
2013-01-11 02:51:52 PM  

skullkrusher: somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display


Some people have severe anxiety attacks because of driving. But thanks for making fun of people who have a serious issue retard.
 
2013-01-11 02:52:15 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.

This doesn't really make one less likely to get pregnant from rape.


Yes it does.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.
 
2013-01-11 02:53:00 PM  

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display

Was Gingrey statement comparing the stressful situation he mentioned to rape or not?

no


Ahh so then you agree his statement had NOTHING to do with supporting Akins statement about rape and I was right all along.
 
2013-01-11 02:53:39 PM  

PsiChick: Yeah, gotta say, I feel sorry for anyone reading this article and going "Oh, fark, that was my ob-gyn!".


I still remember my first visit to Dr. Gingrey's office quite vividly. Throughout the checkup, he kept making "tut-tut" sounds as if he were deeply disappointed with what he was inspecting. At one point he stopped and slowly raised his eyes up toward mine, just barely peering at me over the hem of my patient's smock. He gaze lingered on mine for an uncomfortable amount of time, his hot breath wafting over the lips of my stretched inner labia, before he whispered to me, ever so quietly, "you're quite the little slut, aren't you?"

Needless to say, I walked out of his office with TWO lollipops that day.
 
2013-01-11 02:54:23 PM  
someonelse:

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If you're going that route, then you gotta catch them all.

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2013-01-11 02:54:33 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher: Satan's Bunny Slippers: pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.

Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?

I have disregarded this police investigation/"what if she cleans up" aspect. Women can get pregnant for days after having sex. It is factually true and not disputed by anyone who knew that before coming into this thread but disregarded by those who did not know it and now are afraid to recognize it because it would cause a loss of face

sorry skull. I shouldn't have included you in this comment to pdee, as you are not being willfully obtuse about this point.

my bad.


honestly, I'll happily back off support for Gingrey here if the research shows that acute stress does not impact ovulation while long term stress does. I think I even have had this conversation before but apparently forgot. Seeing the acute vs long term distinction in Amiable's link reminded me. My bad.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:25 PM  
jfc. Should have looked at the size. Sorry to people still watching other people fight in a dead-end thread.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:33 PM  

Corvus: Some people have severe anxiety attacks because of driving. But thanks for making fun of people who have a serious issue retard.


I have severe anxiety attacks, and have gotten them while driving. As awful as they are, I could never even kind of, sort of, compare them to rape.  I was raped four years ago, and I'm still not okay.  However, even my worst panic attacks only last a few minutes and I have medicine that can put an end to them rather quickly. Rape, not so much. Your comparison is completely ridiculous.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:46 PM  

Corvus: pdee: Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.

So then women don't get pregnant from rape then? We are fine then right?


Women do get pregnant from rape. It is X% less likely to get pregnant from rape sex than consenual sex.

Where X = Unknown.

Based in the time window it looks like possibly 50% to 100%.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.
 
2013-01-11 02:56:03 PM  

DeltaPunch: PsiChick: Yeah, gotta say, I feel sorry for anyone reading this article and going "Oh, fark, that was my ob-gyn!".

I still remember my first visit to Dr. Gingrey's office quite vividly. Throughout the checkup, he kept making "tut-tut" sounds as if he were deeply disappointed with what he was inspecting. At one point he stopped and slowly raised his eyes up toward mine, just barely peering at me over the hem of my patient's smock. He gaze lingered on mine for an uncomfortable amount of time, his hot breath wafting over the lips of my stretched inner labia, before he whispered to me, ever so quietly, "you're quite the little slut, aren't you?"

Needless to say, I walked out of his office with TWO lollipops that day.


Sounds like an old episode from "Law & Order".
 
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