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(Talking Points Memo)   Rep. Phil Gingrey (R), an OB/GYN, goes full derp and defends Todd Akin's legitimate rape comments. Folks, this is the modern GOP   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 474
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2013-01-11 01:43:50 PM
So, when scientists tell us global warming is real we're supposed to believe them because they're scientists,
but when scientists tell us legitimate rape doesn't make you pregnant, we're not supposed to believe them because legitimate rape is just a theory?
 
2013-01-11 01:44:21 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.


His explanation showed that women don't get pregnant from rape to be what percentage to be true?

And give the exact quote that supports it.
 
2013-01-11 01:44:57 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.


In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?
 
2013-01-11 01:45:07 PM
I like how its 4? months after his comments, and this guy just now decided to stand up and say something. Way to show your convictions. Good job.
 
2013-01-11 01:45:26 PM
i've got the weirdest deja vu boner.
 
2013-01-11 01:46:03 PM
"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."

Orwell knew the future, apparently.

"We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent there will be no need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always-do not forget this Winston-always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."

Amazing, when you think about it. Amazing how quickly things are forgotten.
 
2013-01-11 01:46:34 PM

Lord Dimwit: I know so many women who vote Republican, though. I don't understand it. The ones who are single-issue voters on abortion, yeah, okay, I get it, though I disagree with them. But women who vote for the GOP for economic reasons? WTH? I remember a woman at work saying when Obama was reelected that "now [she] has to pay for a bunch of lazy people." Another woman talked about how "everyone hit retirement age today! no one has to work anymore!" First off, the GOP's economic record is pretty horrible. Second off, if I were a woman, I think I would vote for the party that respects my rights to my own body, even if their economic plan were slightly different from what I wanted.


Should ask her why she's still working and how she plans to live.
 
2013-01-11 01:46:49 PM

someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?


Right the two have nothing to do with each other.

It's like if he was to say "Getting you tubes tied make it hard for women to have children. Some of those women get rapped. they for it's harder to get pregnant because you are raped".
 
2013-01-11 01:47:04 PM

Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.


No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.
 
2013-01-11 01:47:33 PM

Epoch_Zero: BMulligan: I don't have much to add to this conversation, but I can tell you that there are places from which it is difficult to extract a broken banana. Trust me on this one.

So.....this is what a Non-Disclosure Agreement means to you? I'm disappointed.

It was our secret. Ours.


Ha! I piss on nondisclosure agreements, just like I ... never mind.
 
2013-01-11 01:48:47 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.


Or his explanation is why Akin was partially right.

/glass 1/2 full
 
2013-01-11 01:48:56 PM

pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.


Lets stick to what he said. So then are you saying ovulation happens at the time of sex to get pregnant? Or does it happen BEFORE?

So how is rape any factor in that?
 
2013-01-11 01:49:14 PM
Dear Repubs:

You know how you keep arguing again and again for special circumstances in which rape is okay? That tells me you want to rape. A lot. It tells me that you can't stop thinking about rape.

You are some sad, sick farks.
 
2013-01-11 01:50:05 PM

pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.


So some women are on the birth control. And Birth control makes it harder to get pregnant too. Those women get raped. So that also supports that it's harder to get pregnant from rape too using that logic right?
 
2013-01-11 01:50:52 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.


"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.
 
2013-01-11 01:50:58 PM
I'm going to go ahead and spell it out for the couple of people who're popping in here and accusing Farkers of ignoring what the article says:

Todd Akin's comment on "Legitimate Rape" was made in the context of a discussion on abortion, specifically why rape and incest exceptions are not necessary. He was arguing that pregnancy from rape was rare enough to be discounted, and that rapes which did result in pregnancy were not "legitimately" rapes. Even if, for the sake of argument, we are in complete agreement with the idea that traumatic events reduce fertility (they might, slightly, as I understand it,) that reduction in fertility is not enough to make the threat of pregnancy from rape a remote, trivial, or minor concern.
 
2013-01-11 01:51:10 PM

Dog Welder: I fail to see how any person with a vagina votes Republican these days, but there you have it...they are out there.


Having a vagina in no way makes one immune from being an idiot.
 
2013-01-11 01:51:28 PM
"Relax and have a glass of wine" is great advice to couples who are overstressed from trying to conceive, yes. But that's not a.) a measurable metric of fertility levels and b.) Anxiety over not being able to conceive with your significant other has nothing to do with physical, emotional and mental trauma from farking rape, except both are some level of "bad".
 
2013-01-11 01:52:10 PM

someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?


exactly. Women get pregnant when they are ovulating. If they do not ovulate, they do not get pregnant.
 
2013-01-11 01:52:11 PM

Lord Dimwit: If you truly believe that a fetus is a human from the moment of conception, then wanting to ban abortions in the case of rape is logically consistent (note that I'm not agreeing with it, just saying it's at least consistent).


Exactly.  The problem is that many of the current crop of Republicans aren't Reagan-style social conservatives, who know where the line is politically and won't cross it.  These people are true believers.  They think God wants rape victims to be forced to carry their rapist's baby, and they either don't see the line or think that it's God's will that they cross it. The mind-numbing stupidity that comes out after that like "legitimate rape" is just bullsh*t rationalization that gets reinforced by repetition in their crazy social circles.
 
2013-01-11 01:52:41 PM
Rapeublicans.

/rape
 
2013-01-11 01:53:03 PM

pdee: No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant.


So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

How much of a factor is it based on the ovulation THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED hours ago before the rape from 0 = Being no facotor at all. 3- being a partial factor. and 5- being can't get pregnant like Akins said?
 
2013-01-11 01:54:43 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.


Right OVULATION happens BEFORE the sex. Maybe you should educate youself. That has NO BEARING AT ALL ABOUT IF THE PERSON WAS RAPED OR NOT.

You are aware ovulation happens BEFORE the egg gets impregnated? And before the sex to impregnate?


That supports Akins claim not at all.
 
2013-01-11 01:55:29 PM

Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?


no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.
 
2013-01-11 01:55:36 PM

skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.


So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?
 
2013-01-11 01:55:53 PM
Modern GOP? Seems like it's always been this way. Plowing forward with no regard for the people of this country who don't see eye to eye with their fundamentalist christian ethnocentric point of view. amirite?

farking old white dudes! how do they work?

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2013-01-11 01:55:55 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

His explanation showed that women don't get pregnant from rape to be what percentage to be true?

And give the exact quote that supports it.


Im pretty sure there have been no double blind studies involving raping women to determine rates on impregnation. We only know that stress both physical and mental decrease rates of impregnation. Akin's statement while stupid and largely based on his belief in an invisible sky man is NOT without some basis in fact.
 
2013-01-11 01:56:03 PM

BSABSVR: "Relax and have a glass of wine" is great advice to couples who are overstressed from trying to conceive, yes. But that's not a.) a measurable metric of fertility levels and b.) Anxiety over not being able to conceive with your significant other has nothing to do with physical, emotional and mental trauma from farking rape, except both are some level of "bad".


Not to mention someone who has several glasses of wine may be too intoxicated to consent. All rape isn't "grab a stranger and pull them into a dark alley".
 
2013-01-11 01:56:54 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.


So him being 100% wrong about his statement makes him "partially wrong"?

I would think "partially wrong" would mean there was actually some truth to his statement. For example if it made it less likely to be pregnant from rape. But he was 100% wrong about his statement.
 
2013-01-11 01:56:58 PM
FTA : what he meant by legitimate rape was... someone can say I was raped: a scared-to-death 15-year-old that becomes impregnated by her boyfriend and then has to tell her parents, that's pretty tough and might on some occasions say, 'Hey, I was raped.' That's what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape,"

No woman has ever lied about bieng raped.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:42 PM

pdee: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

His explanation showed that women don't get pregnant from rape to be what percentage to be true?

And give the exact quote that supports it.

Im pretty sure there have been no double blind studies involving raping women to determine rates on impregnation. We only know that stress both physical and mental decrease rates of impregnation. Akin's statement while stupid and largely based on his belief in an invisible sky man is NOT without some basis in fact.



So you can't then. You have given up to even try to pretend he said what you said he said.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:52 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?


you couldn't have possibly educated yourself on the mechanics of impregnation that quickly.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:58 PM

skullkrusher: no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong.


Actually, it makes him all wrong, of which I suppose "partially wrong" is a subset, but it still makes you a shill.
 
2013-01-11 01:58:03 PM

pdee: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

Or his explanation is why Akin was partially right.

/glass 1/2 full


You're absolutely right.

I encourage Republicans to keep pressing the issue.
 
2013-01-11 01:58:23 PM

Corvus: pdee: No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant.

So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

How much of a factor is it based on the ovulation THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED hours ago before the rape from 0 = Being no facotor at all. 3- being a partial factor. and 5- being can't get pregnant like Akins said?


To be fair, Akins said it was "really rare", not impossible.  So, a 4 on your scale would probably validate his claims?
/ Your scale is weird.  I'd put "a partial factor" right above a 0.  What exactly do 1 and 2 represent if somewhere between "none at all" and "partial"?  Let's go percentage-wise.  What percentage of pregnancies occur from ovulation that happens before sex, as opposed to during or after?
 
2013-01-11 01:58:24 PM

someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?


Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.
 
2013-01-11 01:58:37 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.


So if I said "driving makes it so women can't get pregnant".

That would be "partially correct" too?
 
2013-01-11 01:58:53 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.


If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.
 
2013-01-11 01:59:11 PM

Corvus: I would think "partially wrong" would mean there was actually some truth to his statement. For example if it made it less likely to be pregnant from rape. But he was 100% wrong about his statement.


Yes. Nothing that involves ovary time machines.
 
2013-01-11 01:59:12 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?

you couldn't have possibly educated yourself on the mechanics of impregnation that quickly.


Can you answer?

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?
 
2013-01-11 01:59:50 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.


And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.
 
2013-01-11 01:59:56 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

So him being 100% wrong about his statement makes him "partially wrong"?

I would think "partially wrong" would mean there was actually some truth to his statement. For example if it made it less likely to be pregnant from rape. But he was 100% wrong about his statement.


You're forgetting to use Republican make-yourself-feel-better math.
Akin was partially wrong. It's just that if your using reality based math, where all the instances of how he was partially wrong add up to 100%.
 
2013-01-11 02:00:08 PM

Gecko Gingrich: skullkrusher: no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong.

Actually, it makes him all wrong, of which I suppose "partially wrong" is a subset, but it still makes you a shill.


skullkrusher: yes, doctor, you are correct. However, I cannot imagine what the fark you hope to achieve by hitching your wagon to a guy who got smoked in his election


worst. shill. ever.
 
2013-01-11 02:00:19 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: I would think "partially wrong" would mean there was actually some truth to his statement. For example if it made it less likely to be pregnant from rape. But he was 100% wrong about his statement.

Yes. Nothing that involves ovary time machines.


So then how is Akin "partially right" or "partially wrong" when it has nothing to do with rape?
 
2013-01-11 02:00:25 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: I would think "partially wrong" would mean there was actually some truth to his statement. For example if it made it less likely to be pregnant from rape. But he was 100% wrong about his statement.

Yes. Nothing that involves ovary time machines.


Well then how does rape affect a process that already happens hours ago?
 
2013-01-11 02:00:25 PM
He is my congressman. No one opposed him this time around and it looks like that may continue. Stuck with him.
 
2013-01-11 02:00:58 PM

skullkrusher: worst. shill. ever.


Hey look, we agree!
 
2013-01-11 02:01:17 PM

skullkrusher: Gecko Gingrich: skullkrusher: no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong.

Actually, it makes him all wrong, of which I suppose "partially wrong" is a subset, but it still makes you a shill.

skullkrusher: yes, doctor, you are correct. However, I cannot imagine what the fark you hope to achieve by hitching your wagon to a guy who got smoked in his election

worst. shill. ever.


It's because you post this to give you cover when you then white knight for these idiot. You do it every thread.
 
2013-01-11 02:01:35 PM

rev. dave: He is my congressman. No one opposed him this time around and it looks like that may continue. Stuck with him.


You have my sympathies, sir.
 
2013-01-11 02:02:42 PM

skullkrusher: someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?

exactly. Women get pregnant when they are ovulating. If they do not ovulate, they do not get pregnant.


If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation, the only pregnancy being prevented is one caused by future sex, not the rape that is preventing ovulation.
 
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