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(Talking Points Memo)   Rep. Phil Gingrey (R), an OB/GYN, goes full derp and defends Todd Akin's legitimate rape comments. Folks, this is the modern GOP   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 474
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2013-01-11 11:37:16 AM
Hide it under a bushel?  NO!  I'm gonna let it derp!
 
2013-01-11 11:41:14 AM
No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney.
 
2013-01-11 11:43:39 AM
Lie back and think of the GOP.
 
2013-01-11 11:44:34 AM
They really don't know when to quit.
 
2013-01-11 11:46:09 AM
So? There are a handful of "scientists" who endorse creationism. It only proves that anyone call sell out and betray the principles of their profession (usually for lucrative reasons).
 
2013-01-11 11:47:55 AM
I had largely forgotten (or at least, not thought about) Todd Akin's ridiculousness. Thanks for bringing it back up*.



*I'm sure that the GOP leadership is thinking the same thing.
 
2013-01-11 11:47:56 AM
Gynecologists! Stay out of women's vaginas!
 
2013-01-11 11:48:19 AM

FloydA: They really don't know when to quit.


www.swsalestalk.com
 
2013-01-11 11:49:15 AM
Know what they call the guy who graduates dead last in his med school class?

/doctor
 
2013-01-11 11:49:16 AM
I thought the story was an exaggeration but the quotes are worse than I expected.  Bonus: Age of consent is apparently 15 years old now.
 
2013-01-11 11:49:33 AM

kid_icarus: So? There are a handful of "scientists" who endorse creationism. It only proves that anyone call sell out and betray the principles of their profession (usually for lucrative reasons).


He's not betraying the principles of his profession. He thinks he is taking a principled stand that many or most of his colleagues agree is right.
 
2013-01-11 11:51:49 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Know what they call the guy who graduates dead last in his med school class?

/doctor


Family Practice?
 
2013-01-11 11:51:52 AM
i2.kym-cdn.com

Relax. Have a glass of wine.
 
2013-01-11 11:52:46 AM
"I don't find anything so horrible about that."

Really makes me wish we could forcibly and violently impregnate some of these "men" who are so cavalier about sexual violence.
 
2013-01-11 11:53:01 AM
Whoa, it's zombie Breitbart.
 
2013-01-11 11:53:25 AM
i love, love, LOVE that the GOP is incapable of letting something like this lie. they ALWAYS double-down on shiat like this. they're so predictable!
 
2013-01-11 11:53:27 AM
"That's what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape," Gingrey said. "I don't find anything so horrible about that."

Of course you don't, you despicable partisan f*ck-stain.
 
2013-01-11 11:54:50 AM

Diogenes: "I don't find anything so horrible about that."

Really makes me wish we could forcibly and violently impregnate some of these "men" who are so cavalier about sexual violence.


I suspect the impossibility of some of these Evangelical Conservatives getting impregnated from a man, is not from lack of trying.
 
2013-01-11 11:55:49 AM
"But the fact that a woman may have already ovulated 12 hours before she is raped, you're not going to prevent a pregnancy there by a woman's body shutting anything down because the horse has already left the barn, so to speak," Gingrey continued. "And yet the media took that and tore it apart."

So Akin is wrong, but the media shouldn't have torn it apart because he might have been right in an utterly different situation?
 
2013-01-11 11:57:00 AM

kid_icarus: So? There are a handful of "scientists" who endorse creationism. It only proves that anyone call sell out and betray the principles of their profession (usually for lucrative reasons).


Rep. Paul Broun, MD (GA - 10th)

upload.wikimedia.org
embryology, evolution, and the Big Bang are "lies straight from the Pit of Hell ... lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior."

Guess which party?
 
2013-01-11 11:58:13 AM
Am I badly misreading that? It sounds like he defends Akin, then goes and explains in painful rapey detail why Akin was confusing an old rapists tale with medical fact, then goes on to say that the other idiot - Mourdoch? - was ignorant and incorrect, but had his heart in the right place?

My head hurts now.
 
2013-01-11 11:58:18 AM
The GOP needs to man up and make this part of their official platform.
 
2013-01-11 11:58:40 AM
all these legitimate rape guys should be sodomized with cactuses while the person repeatedly asks "is this legitimate rape? why isn't your body shutting that whole thing down?!"
 
2013-01-11 11:59:19 AM

Lionel Mandrake: embryology, evolution, and the Big Bang are "lies straight from the Pit of Hell ...


Yeah, those evangelicals have a pretty harsh view of Catholics.
 
2013-01-11 12:03:15 PM
My god. You people are utter fools. You want to keep dragging up this derp? Please do. Us broads have long memories.
 
2013-01-11 12:03:47 PM
Even if you believe what he says, it doesn't mean Akins was right.  His argument was "Well, if you think of it this way, he was sorta kinda maybe partially right a little bit."
 
2013-01-11 12:04:12 PM

FloydA: They really don't know when to quit.



That's because they're too legit...imate rapey.
 
2013-01-11 12:05:43 PM

what_now: My god. You people are utter fools. You want to keep dragging up this derp? Please do. Us broads have long memories.


Don't worry, they'll be talking about again. It takes a lot of work to remain #1 with rapists, racists, and revisionists.
 
2013-01-11 12:08:42 PM
How is it even possible there are this many idiots, in positions of power, who actively defend and embrace rape?  I really felt like rape was something that nearly everyone in the universe agreed was a terrible thing, and yet, every other day, someone in the Republican party comes out with a new way of saying it's not so bad.  I honestly don't understand how the party has essentially come out in goddamned  favor of rape. Of all the things in the entire universe they could come out in favor of, that's the one they chose?  Carjacking would be more popular.
 
2013-01-11 12:11:36 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-11 12:22:56 PM

Gecko Gingrich: I had largely forgotten (or at least, not thought about) Todd Akin's ridiculousness.


I hadn't

/woman
 
2013-01-11 12:23:52 PM

what_now: My god. You people are utter fools. You want to keep dragging up this derp? Please do. Us broads have long memories.


Well its not like we forgot it. Nice of them to remind the men folk though.
 
2013-01-11 12:29:30 PM

quickdraw: what_now: My god. You people are utter fools. You want to keep dragging up this derp? Please do. Us broads have long memories.

Well its not like we forgot it. Nice of them to remind the men folk though.


Exactly,  No woman who was paying attention is going to be quick to forget the 2012 GOP race to win the hearts and minds of rapists everywhere.
 
2013-01-11 12:31:13 PM
So if a woman just relaxes,  drinks a glass of wine and isn't so tense and uptight, she'll enjoy her rape and there's a chance of impregnation.

Ladies remember:  DON'T enjoy your rape, stay tense, and you won't get pregnant from it.
 
2013-01-11 12:36:49 PM
From another article:
And in Missouri, Todd Akin ... was asked by a local news source about rape and he said, 'Look, in a legitimate rape situation' - and what he meant by legitimate rape was just look, someone can say I was raped: a scared-to-death 15-year-old that becomes impregnated by her boyfriend and then has to tell her parents, that's pretty tough and might on some occasion say, 'Hey, I was raped.' That's what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape. I don't find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman's body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He's partly right on that.

For those of you who stopped counting and started bleeding from the eyes, that was nine. Or, nine more uses of the word "rape" than any Republican should put into a single paragraph.
 
2013-01-11 12:38:31 PM

FTFA: That's what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape," Gingrey said. "I don't find anything so horrible about that."


i.imgur.com


oh, and me of course:


i.imgur.com

 
2013-01-11 12:40:37 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: So if a woman just relaxes, drinks a glass of wine and isn't so tense and uptight, she'll enjoy her rape and there's a chance of impregnation.


"As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it."

~Clayton Williams (R - TX) gubernatorial candidate (shockingly, he lost) and John McCain fund raiser
 
2013-01-11 12:42:19 PM
Further proof that gingreys have no souls.
 
2013-01-11 12:43:13 PM

RminusQ: For those of you who stopped counting and started bleeding from the eyes, that was nine. Or, nine more uses of the word "rape" than any Republican should put into a single paragraph.

It wouldn't be bad if there are any sane ones willing to say "Look, I''m sorry for my colleagues, but I do not in any way condone or support rape"
 
2013-01-11 12:47:32 PM

serpent_sky: How is it even possible there are this many idiots, in positions of power, who actively defend and embrace rape?


High-SDO personalities tend to be assholes, seek power, and be superficially charming. They also tend to be prejudiced/contemptuous against traditionally derrogated groups, such as women.

I'm pretty sure I've plugged Altemeyer's intro to the research in your direction before?
 
2013-01-11 12:48:49 PM
"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"

"But the fact that a woman may have already ovulated 12 hours before she is raped, you're not going to prevent a pregnancy there by a woman's body shutting anything down because the horse has already left the barn, so to speak," Gingrey continued. "And yet the media took that and tore it apart."


So, the logic here is that stress might prevent a woman from ovulating DURING rape?
And this is supposed to lessen the probability of conception?

Did he go to the same medical school as Limbaugh?
 
2013-01-11 12:50:23 PM
"At a breakfast yesterday morning, I was asked why Democrats made abortion a central theme of the presidential campaign. "

Dude, Democrats don't make abortion a central theme. It's you dolts who keep bringing it up. If you don't want Democrats to use abortion as ammunition, STFU.
 
2013-01-11 12:51:58 PM
DOUBLE-DOWN DERPOCALYPSE 2013!!!!


/Why won't these troglodytes STFU?
 
2013-01-11 12:52:45 PM
Small town Mizzuhruh rep is not what I would consider a good take on modern republicanism.

And remember, the House is about reflecting the constituents of areas within states. The problem here isn't the elected officials, it's the voters

And that goes down to education.
 
2013-01-11 12:53:27 PM

Gecko Gingrich: I had largely forgotten (or at least, not thought about) Todd Akin's ridiculousness.


Why?  A Republican was honest and gave a true answer of how they view women's right.  Why on Earth would you forget that?
 
2013-01-11 12:53:50 PM
i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-11 12:53:57 PM

what_now: Us broads have long memories.


Are you my wife?
 
2013-01-11 12:55:10 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-11 01:07:36 PM

abb3w: serpent_sky: How is it even possible there are this many idiots, in positions of power, who actively defend and embrace rape?

High-SDO personalities tend to be assholes, seek power, and be superficially charming. They also tend to be prejudiced/contemptuous against traditionally derrogated groups, such as women.

I'm pretty sure I've plugged Altemeyer's intro to the research in your direction before?


Yeah, but even at that, the derpiest derpmeister in the Republican Party should know that the vast majority of voters find these comments repellent.

The only explanation I can come up with, really, is that they've gotten so used to speaking in an echo chamber that they have become tone deaf on how this sounds like to anyone outside it.
 
2013-01-11 01:15:13 PM

FloydA: They really don't know when to quit.


I think every first question to a candidate or elected official should be of the sort:
Are you pro-rape? Do you agree with Akin, or do you think what Akin said was completely false and Akin is a moron?

And no new questions until they answer.
Get them on the record!!
 
2013-01-11 01:16:11 PM
If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.
 
2013-01-11 01:16:25 PM

mrshowrules: Diogenes: "I don't find anything so horrible about that."

Really makes me wish we could forcibly and violently impregnate some of these "men" who are so cavalier about sexual violence.

I suspect the impossibility of some of these Evangelical Conservatives getting impregnated from a man, is not from lack of trying.


Oh thank you
that just totally made my day
 
2013-01-11 01:17:40 PM

Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit raped.


There is no need to worry. God wanted you to be raped. Your system will shut everything down. And even if you get a baby, it will be a gift from god and WONDERFUL!!!!

So basically no downside
 
2013-01-11 01:17:50 PM
That's why I take the high road. Ladies, in the interest of gender equality, I want you to sexually assault me. Whenever I'm walking down the street, slap me on the ass and whistle. Follow me into dark alleys, strip me naked, and throw yourself on me. You don't need consent; I clearly deserve it, what with me dressing like a slut.

We can only move on together if I know what it's like.
 
2013-01-11 01:19:50 PM

Lionel Mandrake: kid_icarus: So? There are a handful of "scientists" who endorse creationism. It only proves that anyone call sell out and betray the principles of their profession (usually for lucrative reasons).

Rep. Paul Broun, MD (GA - 10th)

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x331]
embryology, evolution, and the Big Bang are "lies straight from the Pit of Hell ... lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior."

Guess which party?


The Party of Constant Effrontery and Moral DerpitudeTM, of course.
 
2013-01-11 01:21:03 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Ladies, in the interest of gender equality, I want you to sexually assault me. Whenever I'm walking down the street, slap me on the ass and whistle. Follow me into dark alleys, strip me naked, and throw yourself on me. You don't need consent; I clearly deserve it,


i.imgur.com

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
 
2013-01-11 01:22:07 PM
What crimes are these asshats trying to cover for.  The lie you believe is the truth.
 
2013-01-11 01:22:18 PM

jake_lex: Yeah, but even at that, the derpiest derpmeister in the Republican Party should know that the vast majority of voters find these comments repellent.


High-RWA personalities also tend to be (loosely speaking) stupid. While the two measures are only weakly correlated, there's an overlap between high-RWA and high-SDO; the "double-highs" are really, really scary.
 
2013-01-11 01:22:51 PM
You'd think that by now anyone filing papers to run for office as a republican would also have to include a form swearing that they have been through a non-biblical base sexual education class along with a signed pledge to never utter the word 'rape'.
 
2013-01-11 01:24:26 PM
Preemptive for his failed re-election bid in 2014

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-11 01:25:01 PM

Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.


I had a dream just like that except she was being pelted with marshmallows.
 
2013-01-11 01:25:07 PM
the Cobb Chamber of Commerce breakfast Thursday in Smyrna, Ga.,Hell.

FTFY.
 
2013-01-11 01:27:23 PM

Karac: You'd think that by now anyone filing papers to run for office as a republican would also have to include a form swearing that they have been through a non-biblical base sexual education class along with a signed pledge to never utter the word 'rape'.


If they weren't allowed to use that term they would call it "sex women regret having" as a euphemism being as clever as they are.
 
2013-01-11 01:27:31 PM
Oh, look. Republicans are talking about rape again.
 
2013-01-11 01:27:47 PM
These people aren't legitimate human beings.
 
2013-01-11 01:29:22 PM

Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.


the-shiat-i-put-up-with.jpg
 
2013-01-11 01:29:52 PM
Here's the real problem: These people don't know when to farkING SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY.

There is nothing to be gained on this issue. Hence, silence is the best option.
 
2013-01-11 01:30:40 PM

Revek: Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.

I had a dream just like that except she was being pelted with marshmallows.


It should stay a dream. Try that in reality and you'll find out a painful truth; some things wash out of hair easily. Bits of stringy half-melted marshmallow are not one of those. You'll inevitably miss with a few which land behind the pillory and under the bed, which just ends up attracting ants and other bugs. Plus, the sugar content can lead to a yeast infection.
 
2013-01-11 01:31:15 PM
I know so many women who vote Republican, though. I don't understand it. The ones who are single-issue voters on abortion, yeah, okay, I get it, though I disagree with them. But women who vote for the GOP for economic reasons? WTH? I remember a woman at work saying when Obama was reelected that "now [she] has to pay for a bunch of lazy people." Another woman talked about how "everyone hit retirement age today! no one has to work anymore!" First off, the GOP's economic record is pretty horrible. Second off, if I were a woman, I think I would vote for the party that respects my rights to my own body, even if their economic plan were slightly different from what I wanted.

(That's the other thing. People act like the economic plans proposed by Obama are THE WORST THING EVER and SO DIFFERENT from Republican plans. They're not really that different at all. If a real left-wing President ever gets into office in this country, heads are going to asplode.)
 
2013-01-11 01:31:15 PM
yes, doctor, you are correct. However, I cannot imagine what the fark you hope to achieve by hitching your wagon to a guy who got smoked in his election
 
2013-01-11 01:31:22 PM
Here's the chicken
i99.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-11 01:31:30 PM

Nabb1: Lionel Mandrake: embryology, evolution, and the Big Bang are "lies straight from the Pit of Hell ...

Yeah, those evangelicals have a pretty harsh view of Catholics.


I have a fundie cousin in Portland who once told my wife and me that Catholicism is idolatry, not Christianity, knowing the whole time my wife was raised Catholic.

We were like *blink* *blink*, "Hey, thanks for dinner! We gotta get back to the hotel...early start home tomorrow!"
 
2013-01-11 01:31:59 PM

GAT_00: Why?


I'm not saying I was like, "Todd Akin...Todd Akin...remind me again who that is?" More like, as I parenthetically wrote, it hadn't really crossed my kind recently.
 
2013-01-11 01:32:01 PM

unlikely: kid_icarus: So? There are a handful of "scientists" who endorse creationism. It only proves that anyone call sell out and betray the principles of their profession (usually for lucrative reasons).

He's not betraying the principles of his profession. He thinks he is taking a principled stand that many or most of his colleagues agree is right.


wut?
 
2013-01-11 01:33:03 PM

Gecko Gingrich: crossed my kmind

 
2013-01-11 01:33:04 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: unlikely: kid_icarus: So? There are a handful of "scientists" who endorse creationism. It only proves that anyone call sell out and betray the principles of their profession (usually for lucrative reasons).

He's not betraying the principles of his profession. He thinks he is taking a principled stand that many or most of his colleagues agree is right.

wut?



WAIT....sorry I misread what you said. Nevermind, my apologies, etc.

that post is not there.
 
2013-01-11 01:33:25 PM
SPASTIC TUBES

Top GOP quip of 2012.
 
2013-01-11 01:34:19 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass:
Did he go to the same medical school as Limbaugh?


he did run afoul of Rush by saying something along the lines of 'he's an entertainer', and then had to grovel and apologize. i'm too lazy to find the quote, but it's entirely lickspittle.

while it isn't medical school, i'm sure it qualifies you to give prescriptions, at least. and it will serve as a hilarious counterpoint when his half assed "I'm sorry if I offended anybody" apology ever happens for this. (which i really doubt. this is double-down-derp territory - if you could possibly think this to begin with, you're already retarded enough to argue it to the death).
 
2013-01-11 01:34:24 PM

Karac: Revek: Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.

I had a dream just like that except she was being pelted with marshmallows.

It should stay a dream. Try that in reality and you'll find out a painful truth; some things wash out of hair easily. Bits of stringy half-melted marshmallow are not one of those. You'll inevitably miss with a few which land behind the pillory and under the bed, which just ends up attracting ants and other bugs. Plus, the sugar content can lead to a yeast infection.


Sounds like the voice of experience.  Whats your take on cream corn?
 
2013-01-11 01:35:20 PM
Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.
 
2013-01-11 01:35:47 PM

Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.


As I mentioned in yesterday's Fark Daily Rape Thread, I got into an argument with a woman on Facebook (she's an evangelical Baptist) who believed that no abortion should be allowed ever ever under any circumstance, including when the conception in due to rape. Also, the victim should fully be on the hook for the medical bills to carry the child to term. My response was "Your complete lack of compassion for the victim doesn't seem very Christian to me," after which I got no responses.

I fail to see how any person with a vagina votes Republican these days, but there you have it...they are out there.
 
2013-01-11 01:36:33 PM

Revek: Karac: Revek: Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.

I had a dream just like that except she was being pelted with marshmallows.

It should stay a dream. Try that in reality and you'll find out a painful truth; some things wash out of hair easily. Bits of stringy half-melted marshmallow are not one of those. You'll inevitably miss with a few which land behind the pillory and under the bed, which just ends up attracting ants and other bugs. Plus, the sugar content can lead to a yeast infection.

Sounds like the voice of experience.  Whats your take on cream corn?


I don't have much to add to this conversation, but I can tell you that there are places from which it is difficult to extract a broken banana. Trust me on this one.
 
2013-01-11 01:36:59 PM
The more they talk, the more convinced I am that a good chunk of Republican politicians and supporters are textbook sociopathic.
 
2013-01-11 01:37:12 PM
Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.
 
2013-01-11 01:37:45 PM
I guess the takeaway is if you don't want your girlfriend to get pregnant, just rape her.
 
2013-01-11 01:38:13 PM
Is the GOP rapidly making Poe's Law obsolete? I mean, a normal statement where they must include marxism and anchor babies borders on it, but this...I just.... yeah.
 
2013-01-11 01:38:15 PM
"Hey, maybe I should shut the fark up before I make a fool of myself", said no southern Republican, ever.
 
2013-01-11 01:38:25 PM

Lord Dimwit: I know so many women who vote Republican, though. I don't understand it. The ones who are single-issue voters on abortion, yeah, okay, I get it, though I disagree with them. But women who vote for the GOP for economic reasons? WTH? I remember a woman at work saying when Obama was reelected that "now [she] has to pay for a bunch of lazy people." Another woman talked about how "everyone hit retirement age today! no one has to work anymore!" First off, the GOP's economic record is pretty horrible. Second off, if I were a woman, I think I would vote for the party that respects my rights to my own body, even if their economic plan were slightly different from what I wanted.

(That's the other thing. People act like the economic plans proposed by Obama are THE WORST THING EVER and SO DIFFERENT from Republican plans. They're not really that different at all. If a real left-wing President ever gets into office in this country, heads are going to asplode.)


But it's not the decision that THEMESELVES are going to make. They don't give a shiat about other women.

I think the biggest factor that makes someone a Republican is selfishness and lack of empathy for others. Also in that is the shortsightedness that improvement in society helps themselves too.
 
2013-01-11 01:38:28 PM

FlashHarry: i love, love, LOVE that the GOP is incapable of letting something like this lie. they ALWAYS double-down on shiat like this. they're so predictable!


Well, see, blackjack doesn't work like that. You only get to double down once per hand.

They doubled down, the next card came up, they lost the hand. This is taking your pants off, slapping them on the table and saying 'double or nothing'.
 
2013-01-11 01:38:59 PM

Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.


that's not what happened.
 
2013-01-11 01:39:26 PM

FloydA: They really don't know when to quit.


WHY the fark hasn't the GOP sent out a damned memo to all their people? Doesn't have to be wrong, just:
"Don't say the word rape. Stop bringing up Atkin. Don't defend his statements. Don't just bring him up unsolicited."
 
2013-01-11 01:39:47 PM

pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.


Because it's your turn to get all pissed off. Yes, we do it just to piss.you.off.

ta da!
 
2013-01-11 01:39:53 PM

BMulligan: I don't have much to add to this conversation, but I can tell you that there are places from which it is difficult to extract a broken banana. Trust me on this one.


So.....this is what a Non-Disclosure Agreement means to you? I'm disappointed.

It was our secret. Ours.
 
2013-01-11 01:40:24 PM

Dog Welder: Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.

As I mentioned in yesterday's Fark Daily Rape Thread, I got into an argument with a woman on Facebook (she's an evangelical Baptist) who believed that no abortion should be allowed ever ever under any circumstance, including when the conception in due to rape. Also, the victim should fully be on the hook for the medical bills to carry the child to term. My response was "Your complete lack of compassion for the victim doesn't seem very Christian to me," after which I got no responses.

I fail to see how any person with a vagina votes Republican these days, but there you have it...they are out there.


If you truly believe that a fetus is a human from the moment of conception, then wanting to ban abortions in the case of rape is logically consistent (note that I'm not agreeing with it, just saying it's at least consistent).

What I really don't get is the people who want to ban abortions in the case of endangering the life of the mother. No one would demand that you risk your life for someone else, especially if when you die, it takes the other person with you anyway. So...yeah. I don't understand.
 
2013-01-11 01:40:33 PM

pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.


He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.
 
2013-01-11 01:41:08 PM
Shooting the party in the foot didn't do it, so they're aiming for the temple area now.

/Proceed, GOP
 
2013-01-11 01:42:02 PM

Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.


his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.
 
2013-01-11 01:42:47 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Here's the real problem: These people don't know when to farkING SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY.

There is nothing to be gained on this issue. Hence, silence is the best option.


That depends on how you look at it. From my perspective, the more they talk like this, the more voters are reminded just what kind of people they're dealing with, the less Republicans will get into office. The country as a whole benefits. There's a lot to be gained from Republicans continuing to talk about their beliefs regarding rape.
 
2013-01-11 01:42:50 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.


Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.
 
2013-01-11 01:43:21 PM
christians! is there anything they can't fark up?
 
2013-01-11 01:43:50 PM
So, when scientists tell us global warming is real we're supposed to believe them because they're scientists,
but when scientists tell us legitimate rape doesn't make you pregnant, we're not supposed to believe them because legitimate rape is just a theory?
 
2013-01-11 01:44:21 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.


His explanation showed that women don't get pregnant from rape to be what percentage to be true?

And give the exact quote that supports it.
 
2013-01-11 01:44:57 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.


In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?
 
2013-01-11 01:45:07 PM
I like how its 4? months after his comments, and this guy just now decided to stand up and say something. Way to show your convictions. Good job.
 
2013-01-11 01:45:26 PM
i've got the weirdest deja vu boner.
 
2013-01-11 01:46:03 PM
"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."

Orwell knew the future, apparently.

"We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent there will be no need of science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always-do not forget this Winston-always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."

Amazing, when you think about it. Amazing how quickly things are forgotten.
 
2013-01-11 01:46:34 PM

Lord Dimwit: I know so many women who vote Republican, though. I don't understand it. The ones who are single-issue voters on abortion, yeah, okay, I get it, though I disagree with them. But women who vote for the GOP for economic reasons? WTH? I remember a woman at work saying when Obama was reelected that "now [she] has to pay for a bunch of lazy people." Another woman talked about how "everyone hit retirement age today! no one has to work anymore!" First off, the GOP's economic record is pretty horrible. Second off, if I were a woman, I think I would vote for the party that respects my rights to my own body, even if their economic plan were slightly different from what I wanted.


Should ask her why she's still working and how she plans to live.
 
2013-01-11 01:46:49 PM

someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?


Right the two have nothing to do with each other.

It's like if he was to say "Getting you tubes tied make it hard for women to have children. Some of those women get rapped. they for it's harder to get pregnant because you are raped".
 
2013-01-11 01:47:04 PM

Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.


No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.
 
2013-01-11 01:47:33 PM

Epoch_Zero: BMulligan: I don't have much to add to this conversation, but I can tell you that there are places from which it is difficult to extract a broken banana. Trust me on this one.

So.....this is what a Non-Disclosure Agreement means to you? I'm disappointed.

It was our secret. Ours.


Ha! I piss on nondisclosure agreements, just like I ... never mind.
 
2013-01-11 01:48:47 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.


Or his explanation is why Akin was partially right.

/glass 1/2 full
 
2013-01-11 01:48:56 PM

pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.


Lets stick to what he said. So then are you saying ovulation happens at the time of sex to get pregnant? Or does it happen BEFORE?

So how is rape any factor in that?
 
2013-01-11 01:49:14 PM
Dear Repubs:

You know how you keep arguing again and again for special circumstances in which rape is okay? That tells me you want to rape. A lot. It tells me that you can't stop thinking about rape.

You are some sad, sick farks.
 
2013-01-11 01:50:05 PM

pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.


So some women are on the birth control. And Birth control makes it harder to get pregnant too. Those women get raped. So that also supports that it's harder to get pregnant from rape too using that logic right?
 
2013-01-11 01:50:52 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.


"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.
 
2013-01-11 01:50:58 PM
I'm going to go ahead and spell it out for the couple of people who're popping in here and accusing Farkers of ignoring what the article says:

Todd Akin's comment on "Legitimate Rape" was made in the context of a discussion on abortion, specifically why rape and incest exceptions are not necessary. He was arguing that pregnancy from rape was rare enough to be discounted, and that rapes which did result in pregnancy were not "legitimately" rapes. Even if, for the sake of argument, we are in complete agreement with the idea that traumatic events reduce fertility (they might, slightly, as I understand it,) that reduction in fertility is not enough to make the threat of pregnancy from rape a remote, trivial, or minor concern.
 
2013-01-11 01:51:10 PM

Dog Welder: I fail to see how any person with a vagina votes Republican these days, but there you have it...they are out there.


Having a vagina in no way makes one immune from being an idiot.
 
2013-01-11 01:51:28 PM
"Relax and have a glass of wine" is great advice to couples who are overstressed from trying to conceive, yes. But that's not a.) a measurable metric of fertility levels and b.) Anxiety over not being able to conceive with your significant other has nothing to do with physical, emotional and mental trauma from farking rape, except both are some level of "bad".
 
2013-01-11 01:52:10 PM

someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?


exactly. Women get pregnant when they are ovulating. If they do not ovulate, they do not get pregnant.
 
2013-01-11 01:52:11 PM

Lord Dimwit: If you truly believe that a fetus is a human from the moment of conception, then wanting to ban abortions in the case of rape is logically consistent (note that I'm not agreeing with it, just saying it's at least consistent).


Exactly.  The problem is that many of the current crop of Republicans aren't Reagan-style social conservatives, who know where the line is politically and won't cross it.  These people are true believers.  They think God wants rape victims to be forced to carry their rapist's baby, and they either don't see the line or think that it's God's will that they cross it. The mind-numbing stupidity that comes out after that like "legitimate rape" is just bullsh*t rationalization that gets reinforced by repetition in their crazy social circles.
 
2013-01-11 01:52:41 PM
Rapeublicans.

/rape
 
2013-01-11 01:53:03 PM

pdee: No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant.


So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

How much of a factor is it based on the ovulation THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED hours ago before the rape from 0 = Being no facotor at all. 3- being a partial factor. and 5- being can't get pregnant like Akins said?
 
2013-01-11 01:54:43 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.


Right OVULATION happens BEFORE the sex. Maybe you should educate youself. That has NO BEARING AT ALL ABOUT IF THE PERSON WAS RAPED OR NOT.

You are aware ovulation happens BEFORE the egg gets impregnated? And before the sex to impregnate?


That supports Akins claim not at all.
 
2013-01-11 01:55:29 PM

Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?


no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.
 
2013-01-11 01:55:36 PM

skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.


So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?
 
2013-01-11 01:55:53 PM
Modern GOP? Seems like it's always been this way. Plowing forward with no regard for the people of this country who don't see eye to eye with their fundamentalist christian ethnocentric point of view. amirite?

farking old white dudes! how do they work?

[icp.jpg]
 
2013-01-11 01:55:55 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

His explanation showed that women don't get pregnant from rape to be what percentage to be true?

And give the exact quote that supports it.


Im pretty sure there have been no double blind studies involving raping women to determine rates on impregnation. We only know that stress both physical and mental decrease rates of impregnation. Akin's statement while stupid and largely based on his belief in an invisible sky man is NOT without some basis in fact.
 
2013-01-11 01:56:03 PM

BSABSVR: "Relax and have a glass of wine" is great advice to couples who are overstressed from trying to conceive, yes. But that's not a.) a measurable metric of fertility levels and b.) Anxiety over not being able to conceive with your significant other has nothing to do with physical, emotional and mental trauma from farking rape, except both are some level of "bad".


Not to mention someone who has several glasses of wine may be too intoxicated to consent. All rape isn't "grab a stranger and pull them into a dark alley".
 
2013-01-11 01:56:54 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.


So him being 100% wrong about his statement makes him "partially wrong"?

I would think "partially wrong" would mean there was actually some truth to his statement. For example if it made it less likely to be pregnant from rape. But he was 100% wrong about his statement.
 
2013-01-11 01:56:58 PM
FTA : what he meant by legitimate rape was... someone can say I was raped: a scared-to-death 15-year-old that becomes impregnated by her boyfriend and then has to tell her parents, that's pretty tough and might on some occasions say, 'Hey, I was raped.' That's what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape,"

No woman has ever lied about bieng raped.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:42 PM

pdee: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

His explanation showed that women don't get pregnant from rape to be what percentage to be true?

And give the exact quote that supports it.

Im pretty sure there have been no double blind studies involving raping women to determine rates on impregnation. We only know that stress both physical and mental decrease rates of impregnation. Akin's statement while stupid and largely based on his belief in an invisible sky man is NOT without some basis in fact.



So you can't then. You have given up to even try to pretend he said what you said he said.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:52 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?


you couldn't have possibly educated yourself on the mechanics of impregnation that quickly.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:58 PM

skullkrusher: no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong.


Actually, it makes him all wrong, of which I suppose "partially wrong" is a subset, but it still makes you a shill.
 
2013-01-11 01:58:03 PM

pdee: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

Or his explanation is why Akin was partially right.

/glass 1/2 full


You're absolutely right.

I encourage Republicans to keep pressing the issue.
 
2013-01-11 01:58:23 PM

Corvus: pdee: No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant.

So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

How much of a factor is it based on the ovulation THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED hours ago before the rape from 0 = Being no facotor at all. 3- being a partial factor. and 5- being can't get pregnant like Akins said?


To be fair, Akins said it was "really rare", not impossible.  So, a 4 on your scale would probably validate his claims?
/ Your scale is weird.  I'd put "a partial factor" right above a 0.  What exactly do 1 and 2 represent if somewhere between "none at all" and "partial"?  Let's go percentage-wise.  What percentage of pregnancies occur from ovulation that happens before sex, as opposed to during or after?
 
2013-01-11 01:58:24 PM

someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?


Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.
 
2013-01-11 01:58:37 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.


So if I said "driving makes it so women can't get pregnant".

That would be "partially correct" too?
 
2013-01-11 01:58:53 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.


If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.
 
2013-01-11 01:59:11 PM

Corvus: I would think "partially wrong" would mean there was actually some truth to his statement. For example if it made it less likely to be pregnant from rape. But he was 100% wrong about his statement.


Yes. Nothing that involves ovary time machines.
 
2013-01-11 01:59:12 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?

you couldn't have possibly educated yourself on the mechanics of impregnation that quickly.


Can you answer?

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?
 
2013-01-11 01:59:50 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.


And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.
 
2013-01-11 01:59:56 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

So him being 100% wrong about his statement makes him "partially wrong"?

I would think "partially wrong" would mean there was actually some truth to his statement. For example if it made it less likely to be pregnant from rape. But he was 100% wrong about his statement.


You're forgetting to use Republican make-yourself-feel-better math.
Akin was partially wrong. It's just that if your using reality based math, where all the instances of how he was partially wrong add up to 100%.
 
2013-01-11 02:00:08 PM

Gecko Gingrich: skullkrusher: no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong.

Actually, it makes him all wrong, of which I suppose "partially wrong" is a subset, but it still makes you a shill.


skullkrusher: yes, doctor, you are correct. However, I cannot imagine what the fark you hope to achieve by hitching your wagon to a guy who got smoked in his election


worst. shill. ever.
 
2013-01-11 02:00:19 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: I would think "partially wrong" would mean there was actually some truth to his statement. For example if it made it less likely to be pregnant from rape. But he was 100% wrong about his statement.

Yes. Nothing that involves ovary time machines.


So then how is Akin "partially right" or "partially wrong" when it has nothing to do with rape?
 
2013-01-11 02:00:25 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: I would think "partially wrong" would mean there was actually some truth to his statement. For example if it made it less likely to be pregnant from rape. But he was 100% wrong about his statement.

Yes. Nothing that involves ovary time machines.


Well then how does rape affect a process that already happens hours ago?
 
2013-01-11 02:00:25 PM
He is my congressman. No one opposed him this time around and it looks like that may continue. Stuck with him.
 
2013-01-11 02:00:58 PM

skullkrusher: worst. shill. ever.


Hey look, we agree!
 
2013-01-11 02:01:17 PM

skullkrusher: Gecko Gingrich: skullkrusher: no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong.

Actually, it makes him all wrong, of which I suppose "partially wrong" is a subset, but it still makes you a shill.

skullkrusher: yes, doctor, you are correct. However, I cannot imagine what the fark you hope to achieve by hitching your wagon to a guy who got smoked in his election

worst. shill. ever.


It's because you post this to give you cover when you then white knight for these idiot. You do it every thread.
 
2013-01-11 02:01:35 PM

rev. dave: He is my congressman. No one opposed him this time around and it looks like that may continue. Stuck with him.


You have my sympathies, sir.
 
2013-01-11 02:02:42 PM

skullkrusher: someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?

exactly. Women get pregnant when they are ovulating. If they do not ovulate, they do not get pregnant.


If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation, the only pregnancy being prevented is one caused by future sex, not the rape that is preventing ovulation.
 
2013-01-11 02:03:06 PM

PanicMan: BSABSVR: "Relax and have a glass of wine" is great advice to couples who are overstressed from trying to conceive, yes. But that's not a.) a measurable metric of fertility levels and b.) Anxiety over not being able to conceive with your significant other has nothing to do with physical, emotional and mental trauma from farking rape, except both are some level of "bad".

Not to mention someone who has several glasses of wine may be too intoxicated to consent. All rape isn't "grab a stranger and pull them into a dark alley".


Yeah, but then she was drinking... therefore, it was not a 'legitimate' rape.
 
2013-01-11 02:03:10 PM

skullkrusher: Gecko Gingrich: skullkrusher: no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong.

Actually, it makes him all wrong, of which I suppose "partially wrong" is a subset, but it still makes you a shill.

skullkrusher: yes, doctor, you are correct. However, I cannot imagine what the fark you hope to achieve by hitching your wagon to a guy who got smoked in his election

worst. shill. ever.


So "Driving a car makes it impossible for women to be be pregnant" is "partially correct" too then right.


In fact "[anything] makes it impossible to be be pregnant" would be partially correct under your logic. because anything COULD cause stress in a woman.
 
2013-01-11 02:03:15 PM

someonelse: skullkrusher: someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?

exactly. Women get pregnant when they are ovulating. If they do not ovulate, they do not get pregnant.

If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation, the only pregnancy being prevented is one caused by future sex, not the rape that is preventing ovulation.


I think he figured that out now, which is why he's no longer responding to this point.
 
2013-01-11 02:03:50 PM
Anyone else take a look at the "GOP Doctors Caucus" link from TFA?

Here are the members: Link

Some observations:

1. There are a disturbingly large number of conservative Republicans who are male also OB/GYNs.
2. Not only is the list unsurprisingly male-dominated but 3 of the 4 female "doctor" members are actually nurses (good to see the Republicans are still keeping their women in their place)
 
2013-01-11 02:04:13 PM
Double down, triple down, bet the House on this shiat!!!
 
2013-01-11 02:04:55 PM
Let's see a man supporting comments about what another man said who is in a party dominated by men in a congress also dominated by men about an issue that affects women's bodies but not men's bodies...

I hope the real new cycle of the Mayan calendar is sensible women and sensible men working together to shut these rape-loving nuts up finally and ensure justice is done.
 
2013-01-11 02:05:01 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?

you couldn't have possibly educated yourself on the mechanics of impregnation that quickly.

Can you answer?

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?


ok, since you are apparently not going to educate yourself, allow me.
Did you know that you can get pregnant up to a week after intercourse? Did you know that ovulation after intercourse is enough to become pregnant? If you prevent ovulation in some way - by means of a hugely stressful occurrence, for example - you have reduced the likelihood that that act of intercourse will result in pregnancy?

As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.
 
2013-01-11 02:05:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: someonelse: skullkrusher: someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?

exactly. Women get pregnant when they are ovulating. If they do not ovulate, they do not get pregnant.

If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation, the only pregnancy being prevented is one caused by future sex, not the rape that is preventing ovulation.

I think he figured that out now, which is why he's no longer responding to this point.


No he will try to pretend he meant something else. He always does or start name calling like usual.
 
2013-01-11 02:05:29 PM
skullkrusher:

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

God, there is just so many places to go with this.... I just gave you the derp color and the note "claims to be familiar with the mechanics of impregnation (obvious lie)"
 
2013-01-11 02:06:19 PM

Gecko Gingrich: skullkrusher: worst. shill. ever.

Hey look, we agree!


if your point was that you're a moron, then yep, we sure do
 
2013-01-11 02:06:32 PM

skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.


So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?
 
2013-01-11 02:06:56 PM

someonelse: skullkrusher: someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?

exactly. Women get pregnant when they are ovulating. If they do not ovulate, they do not get pregnant.

If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation, the only pregnancy being prevented is one caused by future sex, not the rape that is preventing ovulation.


false
 
2013-01-11 02:07:32 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?


partially right implies partially wrong.
 
2013-01-11 02:07:44 PM

skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.


So you're saying that Akin is right because some women are so turned on by their rape they go out and get laid as quickly as possible afterward, and THOSE women have a harder time getting pregnant?
 
2013-01-11 02:08:31 PM

someonelse: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

In what way was he right, according to Gingrey? Because I'm not seeing it. He says adrenaline can prevent ovulation, therefore Akin was partly right. Wut?


Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.
 
2013-01-11 02:09:01 PM

skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.


BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!
 
2013-01-11 02:09:20 PM

Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.

Lets stick to what he said. So then are you saying ovulation happens at the time of sex to get pregnant? Or does it happen BEFORE?

So how is rape any factor in that?


Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.
 
2013-01-11 02:09:44 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?

partially right implies partially wrong.


You didn't say "Partially wrong" you said "wrong" JUST LIKE I DID!!!
 
2013-01-11 02:09:58 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!


how could you possibly misconstrue what I said so amusingly?
 
2013-01-11 02:10:31 PM

what_now: My god. You people are utter fools. You want to keep dragging up this derp? Please do. Us broads have long memories.


I'm amazed more  men aren't pissed. They're even less likely to be believed about rape than a woman. If they're doubling down on man-on-woman rape, what's going to happen when it's woman-on-man or man-on-man?
 
2013-01-11 02:10:48 PM

pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.


So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!
 
2013-01-11 02:10:57 PM
This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.
 
2013-01-11 02:11:12 PM
At the same chamber of commerce breakfast, Rep Gingrey also praised a gun store that has been tied to illegal guns.

He's like the gift that keeps on giving.

Link
 
2013-01-11 02:11:19 PM

rev. dave: He is my congressman. No one opposed him this time around and it looks like that may continue. Stuck with him.


Run for office, or convince a friend to do so.  He has offered an excellent campaign platform- you can run on the "anti-rape" agenda and force him to either backpedal or stand by his comments.  The McCaskill v. Akins race makes it pretty clear that you could count on a lot of donations coming in.
 
2013-01-11 02:11:24 PM

Gosling: They doubled down, the next card came up, they lost the hand. This is taking your pants off, slapping them on the table and saying 'double or nothing'.


Hey, how'd you hear about my house rules for card games?
 
2013-01-11 02:11:45 PM
"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things"

Unless the topic is delivering babies, that doesn't actually mean anything.
 
2013-01-11 02:12:03 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!

how could you possibly misconstrue what I said so amusingly?


OK explain the scenario then. Using the explanation Gingrey made.

You have been changing your story so much every time you get called out.
 
2013-01-11 02:12:07 PM

Corvus: pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.

So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!


Yup. It's every woman's responsibility to dump the evidence.
 
2013-01-11 02:12:26 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?

partially right implies partially wrong.

You didn't say "Partially wrong" you said "wrong" JUST LIKE I DID!!!


yes, that was how he's wrong. What Akin said isn't applicable in all cases of rape, in part because if the woman has already ovulated the "horse is out of the barn" as Gingrey said.
 
2013-01-11 02:12:43 PM

Apos: rev. dave: He is my congressman. No one opposed him this time around and it looks like that may continue. Stuck with him.

You have my sympathies, sir.


It is that kind of crap that makes these fools so bold. I am not the political type or I would try. But there are lots of rural locations in his district and there are a lot of rednecks among them with rebel flags on their trucks.
 
2013-01-11 02:13:03 PM

Corvus: He always does or start name calling like usual.


Exhibit A:

skullkrusher:
if your point was that you're a moron, then yep, we sure do
 
2013-01-11 02:13:16 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!

how could you possibly misconstrue what I said so amusingly?


Answer my question then:

"Women driving makes it impossible for them to get pregnant!" - Is that statement also "partially right" since some women are stressed by driving?
 
2013-01-11 02:13:55 PM

PsiChick: what's going to happen when it's woman-on-man or man-on-man?


Easy, those don't exist, silly. Deny, deny, deny.
 
2013-01-11 02:14:14 PM

amiable: This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.


apparently you are in need of enlightenment
 
2013-01-11 02:14:15 PM
What cracks me up is that the GOP is so farking stupid to cater to the 20% of the religious right at the expense of the remaining 80% who they really piss off.  Obviously, these guys fail at math as well as common sense.
 
2013-01-11 02:14:16 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?

partially right implies partially wrong.

You didn't say "Partially wrong" you said "wrong" JUST LIKE I DID!!!

yes, that was how he's wrong. What Akin said isn't applicable in all cases of rape, in part because if the woman has already ovulated the "horse is out of the barn" as Gingrey said.


So why is it when I said he is wrong, you freak out and say I am wrong but it's ok for you to now say he was wrong?
 
2013-01-11 02:14:47 PM
Okay this conversation is officially stupid. I'm out of here.
 
2013-01-11 02:15:04 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!

how could you possibly misconstrue what I said so amusingly?

Answer my question then:

"Women driving makes it impossible for them to get pregnant!" - Is that statement also "partially right" since some women are stressed by driving?


Are you equating the stress of driving with rape? I think it requires a bit more than driving.
 
2013-01-11 02:15:40 PM

Miss Nova: Dear Repubs:

You know how you keep arguing again and again for special circumstances in which rape is okay? That tells me you want to rape. A lot. It tells me that you can't stop thinking about rape.

You are some sad, sick farks.


No one ever said rape is ok.

I know that demagoguing works and that's why BOTH sides keep doing it. But we really should look at its consequences. What Akin said is stupid enough to be refuted with facts. The lesson we are sending to our politicians is never engage in facts. Keep statements in the 'i love mom and apple pie' meaningless BS or just make promises you know you will never keep 'I will cut the deficit in half in 4 years'. If a politician says anything factual he gets killed.
 
2013-01-11 02:15:42 PM

sprawl15: Corvus: pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.

So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!

Yup. It's every woman's responsibility to dump the evidence.


And according to skullkrusher and pdee women don't try to clean up after rapes. I guess it's because they are all whores or something.
 
2013-01-11 02:16:10 PM

serial_crusher: So, when scientists tell us global warming is real we're supposed to believe them because they're scientists,
but when scientists tell us legitimate rape doesn't make you pregnant, we're not supposed to believe them because legitimate rape is just a theory?


Go get some coffee. You're really off your game today.
 
2013-01-11 02:16:22 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!

how could you possibly misconstrue what I said so amusingly?

Answer my question then:

"Women driving makes it impossible for them to get pregnant!" - Is that statement also "partially right" since some women are stressed by driving?

Are you equating the stress of driving with rape? I think it requires a bit more than driving.


Actually many women have panic attacks while driving. So will you answer?
 
2013-01-11 02:16:27 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?

partially right implies partially wrong.

You didn't say "Partially wrong" you said "wrong" JUST LIKE I DID!!!

yes, that was how he's wrong. What Akin said isn't applicable in all cases of rape, in part because if the woman has already ovulated the "horse is out of the barn" as Gingrey said.

So why is it when I said he is wrong, you freak out and say I am wrong but it's ok for you to now say he was wrong?


yes, he was partially wrong. He was also partially right as stress can prevent ovulation. Ovulation occurring after sex can still result in pregnancy.
I haven't freaked out at all. Who's the one posting 3 responses to each post and relying on caps?
 
2013-01-11 02:17:14 PM

pdee: Miss Nova: Dear Repubs:

You know how you keep arguing again and again for special circumstances in which rape is okay? That tells me you want to rape. A lot. It tells me that you can't stop thinking about rape.

You are some sad, sick farks.

No one ever said rape is ok.

I know that demagoguing works and that's why BOTH sides keep doing it. But we really should look at its consequences. What Akin said is stupid enough to be refuted with facts. The lesson we are sending to our politicians is never engage in facts. Keep statements in the 'i love mom and apple pie' meaningless BS or just make promises you know you will never keep 'I will cut the deficit in half in 4 years'. If a politician says anything factual he gets killed.


He's dealing in falsehoods, not facts. There is no such thing as an untrue fact
 
2013-01-11 02:17:18 PM

Corvus: sprawl15: Corvus: pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.

So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!

Yup. It's every woman's responsibility to dump the evidence.

And according to skullkrusher and pdee women don't try to clean up after rapes. I guess it's because they are all whores or something.


aww, this is cute. Now you think "cleaning up" is an effective means of preventing pregnancy.
 
2013-01-11 02:17:20 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!

how could you possibly misconstrue what I said so amusingly?

Answer my question then:

"Women driving makes it impossible for them to get pregnant!" - Is that statement also "partially right" since some women are stressed by driving?

Are you equating the stress of driving with rape? I think it requires a bit more than driving.


Are you saying Gingrey was equating not drinking wine with being raped?
 
2013-01-11 02:17:33 PM

Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.

So some women are on the birth control. And Birth control makes it harder to get pregnant too. Those women get raped. So that also supports that it's harder to get pregnant from rape too using that logic right?


Rape causes stress. Your statement is nonsense.
 
2013-01-11 02:17:39 PM
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake
 
2013-01-11 02:18:01 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?

partially right implies partially wrong.

You didn't say "Partially wrong" you said "wrong" JUST LIKE I DID!!!

yes, that was how he's wrong. What Akin said isn't applicable in all cases of rape, in part because if the woman has already ovulated the "horse is out of the barn" as Gingrey said.

So why is it when I said he is wrong, you freak out and say I am wrong but it's ok for you to now say he was wrong?

yes, he was partially wrong. He was also partially right as stress can prevent ovulation. Ovulation occurring after sex can still result in pregnancy.
I haven't freaked out at all. Who's the one posting 3 responses to each post and relying on caps?


You didn't answer my question:

So why is it when I said he is wrong, you freak out and say I am wrong but it's ok for you to now say he was wrong?
 
2013-01-11 02:18:08 PM

amiable: This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you can tell they do not own the equipment.

They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

It's a fun read here at work on a slow friday afternoon.
 
2013-01-11 02:19:24 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!

how could you possibly misconstrue what I said so amusingly?

Answer my question then:

"Women driving makes it impossible for them to get pregnant!" - Is that statement also "partially right" since some women are stressed by driving?

Are you equating the stress of driving with rape? I think it requires a bit more than driving.

Actually many women have panic attacks while driving. So will you answer?


yes, if a woman experiences very high levels of stress from driving, that could impact her ability to get pregnant. High stress jobs too. Death in the family.
However, as a general statement, that is very stupid since most woman are able to operate machinery without getting all a-flutter whereas rape will impart insane amounts of stress on the toughest woman.
 
2013-01-11 02:19:40 PM

pdee: Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.

So some women are on the birth control. And Birth control makes it harder to get pregnant too. Those women get raped. So that also supports that it's harder to get pregnant from rape too using that logic right?

Rape causes stress. Your statement is nonsense.


Yes but the ovulation is not occurring at the time of rape so the stress has no bearing at all to the pregnancy that would happen from that rape.
 
2013-01-11 02:20:02 PM
Akin said that when being raped women's bodies "shut down" and prevent them from getting pregnant.  The material he got that notion from talks about "spastic tubes."  Akin's statement was not correct, partially or otherwise.
 
2013-01-11 02:20:27 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Right OVULATION happens BEFORE the sex. Maybe you should educate youself. That has NO BEARING AT ALL ABOUT IF THE PERSON WAS RAPED OR NOT.

You are aware ovulation happens BEFORE the egg gets impregnated? And before the sex to impregnate?

That supports Akins claim not at all.


You need to educate your self. A women can ovulate AFTER sex and become pregnant.
 
2013-01-11 02:20:41 PM
Thank your for mansplaining this to us, Doctor Phil.
 
2013-01-11 02:20:51 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?

partially right implies partially wrong.

You didn't say "Partially wrong" you said "wrong" JUST LIKE I DID!!!

yes, that was how he's wrong. What Akin said isn't applicable in all cases of rape, in part because if the woman has already ovulated the "horse is out of the barn" as Gingrey said.

So why is it when I said he is wrong, you freak out and say I am wrong but it's ok for you to now say he was wrong?

yes, he was partially wrong. He was also partially right as stress can prevent ovulation. Ovulation occurring after sex can still result in pregnancy.
I haven't freaked out at all. Who's the one posting 3 responses to each post and relying on caps?

You didn't answer my question:

So why is it when I said he is wrong, you freak out and say I am wrong but it's ok for you to now say he was wrong?


STILL HAVEN"T FREAKED OUT CORVUS!1!!!!11!!!

He was wrong. He was also right. Neither 100% incorrect nor 100% correct. Unlike what you said "his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong."
 
2013-01-11 02:21:10 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!

how could you possibly misconstrue what I said so amusingly?

Answer my question then:

"Women driving makes it impossible for them to get pregnant!" - Is that statement also "partially right" since some women are stressed by driving?

Are you equating the stress of driving with rape? I think it requires a bit more than driving.

Actually many women have panic attacks while driving. So will you answer?

yes, if a woman experiences very high levels of stress from driving, that could impact her ability to get pregnant. High stress jobs too. Death in the family.
However, as a general statement, that is very stupid since most woman are able to operate machinery without getting all a-flutter whereas rape will impart insane amounts of stress on the toughest woman.


So the you are saying YES - DRIVING A CAR MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR ALL WOMAN TO GIVE BIRTH IS A PARTIALLY TRUE STATEMENT.

Wow, it's hilarious he corner you painted yourself in and you keep painting.
 
2013-01-11 02:21:40 PM

pdee: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Right OVULATION happens BEFORE the sex. Maybe you should educate youself. That has NO BEARING AT ALL ABOUT IF THE PERSON WAS RAPED OR NOT.

You are aware ovulation happens BEFORE the egg gets impregnated? And before the sex to impregnate?

That supports Akins claim not at all.

You need to educate your self. A women can ovulate AFTER sex and become pregnant.


wait, do you have a vagina? Then you cannot say such things. There are people in this thread who actually believe this.
 
2013-01-11 02:22:16 PM
skullkrusher YES - Driving a car makes it impossible for all women to give birth is a somewhat true statement.


Love this.
 
2013-01-11 02:22:26 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: serial_crusher: So, when scientists tell us global warming is real we're supposed to believe them because they're scientists,
but when scientists tell us legitimate rape doesn't make you pregnant, we're not supposed to believe them because legitimate rape is just a theory?

Go get some coffee. You're really off your game today.


I figured too many people were inverse-Poes-Lawing me (i.e. misinterpreting my blatant sarcasm for genuine opinion), so I've been trying to make it more blatant, but this is the second time somebody's said that this week, so yeah maybe I should tone it down and let morans be morans.
 
2013-01-11 02:22:31 PM

Satanic_Hamster: FloydA: They really don't know when to quit.

WHY the fark hasn't the GOP sent out a damned memo to all their people? Doesn't have to be wrong, just:
"Don't say the word rape. Stop bringing up Atkin. Don't defend his statements. Don't just bring him up unsolicited."


"the GOP"?
who would that be? The GOP leadership? Um, there isnt one.
The head of the party? talking head and fund raiser.
Boner? like anyone in his party listens to him.
Turtle man? enough said.
and even if the party had a leader, the teahadists who have infiltrated the GOP wont listen to anyone.
 
2013-01-11 02:23:02 PM
Trying to figure out how this ties in with the economy. Boehner said the GOP would focus 100% on jobs and the economy but they keep going back to the same old shiat
 
2013-01-11 02:23:12 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!

how could you possibly misconstrue what I said so amusingly?

Answer my question then:

"Women driving makes it impossible for them to get pregnant!" - Is that statement also "partially right" since some women are stressed by driving?

Are you equating the stress of driving with rape? I think it requires a bit more than driving.

Actually many women have panic attacks while driving. So will you answer?

yes, if a woman experiences very high levels of stress from driving, that could impact her ability to get pregnant. High stress jobs too. Death in the family.
However, as a general statement, that is very stupid since most woman are able to operate machinery without getting all a-flutter whereas rape will impart insane amounts of stress on the toughest woman.

So the you are saying YES - DRIVING A CAR MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR ALL WOMAN TO GIVE BIRTH IS A PARTIALLY TRUE STATEMENT.

Wow, it's hilarious he corner you painted yourself in and you keep painting.


I give up - your astonishing mix of dishonesty and stupidity make it impossible to continue this any further
 
2013-01-11 02:24:10 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"


No, you're misstating their point. Their point is not that the rape victim will have sex again in the next few days; their point is that it's just barely possible that a women might be raped at the moment that she would otherwise have been ovulating, and therefore will avoid pregnancy, where a lascivious slut will enjoy being raped, ovulate as scheduled during the act, then become pregnant days later by the rapist's jizz which she stored in her vajayjay for just such a nefarious purpose. Then, of course, she'll cry rape so that the 47% will have to buy Air Jordans some day for her non-rape rape-baby.

I didn't say it was a good point
 
2013-01-11 02:24:42 PM

skullkrusher: You need to educate your self. A women can ovulate AFTER sex and become pregnant.

wait, do you have a vagina? Then you cannot say such things. There are people in this thread who actually believe this.


I missed the part that Gingrey was talking about this. Can you quote that for us? (you know that statement I actually originally made was about what Gingrey SAID).
 
2013-01-11 02:25:07 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher YES - Driving a car makes it impossible for all women to give birth could reduce the likelihood if pregnancy is a somewhat true statement if the woman is sufficiently stressed enough by driving. However, only an absolute idiot would pretend that the stress from driving is anywhere nearly as universal or intense as the stress from rape.


Love this.


I love it too.
 
2013-01-11 02:25:39 PM

PanicMan: All rape isn't "grab a stranger and pull them into a dark alley".


Well, when you're talking to the party of Forcible/legitimate rape versus *dramatic air quote* rape *dramatic air quote* versus spousal rape, all rape is "grab a stranger and pull them into a dark alley and you better have some hemorrhages to prove it".
 
2013-01-11 02:25:45 PM

Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.


Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.
 
2013-01-11 02:26:15 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE PREGNANCY FROM THE RAPE.

So you point is maybe she get's raped twice once when she is about to ovulate and the some hours later when that ovulation could have been impregnated?

This is hilarious!!!

how could you possibly misconstrue what I said so amusingly?

Answer my question then:

"Women driving makes it impossible for them to get pregnant!" - Is that statement also "partially right" since some women are stressed by driving?

Are you equating the stress of driving with rape? I think it requires a bit more than driving.

Actually many women have panic attacks while driving. So will you answer?

yes, if a woman experiences very high levels of stress from driving, that could impact her ability to get pregnant. High stress jobs too. Death in the family.
However, as a general statement, that is very stupid since most woman are able to operate machinery without getting all a-flutter whereas rape will impart insane amounts of stress on the toughest woman.

So the you are saying YES - DRIVING A CAR MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR ALL WOMAN TO GIVE BIRTH IS A PARTIALLY TRUE STATEMENT.

Wow, it's hilarious he corner you painted yourself in and you keep painting.

I give up - your astonishing mix of dishonesty and stupidity make it impossible to continue this any further


Yes I am so dishonest by asking you question and you finally answering them after dodging so long it shows how inconsistent your views are.
 
2013-01-11 02:26:27 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: amiable: This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you can tell they do not own the equipment.

They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

It's a fun read here at work on a slow friday afternoon.


Own? I willing to bet they've never even seen the equipment.
 
2013-01-11 02:26:45 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher YES - Driving a car makes it impossible for all women to give birth is a somewhat true statement.


Love this.


Wow, SK had another meltdown?
 
2013-01-11 02:27:23 PM
I for one am just loving the new found honesty of the GOP. Let's not mock these people. Let's nourish their honesty and encourage them to continue to make their true feelings known.
 
2013-01-11 02:27:34 PM

djkutch: Lie back and think of the GOP.


DeltaPunch: "That's what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape," Gingrey said. "I don't find anything so horrible about that."

Of course you don't, you despicable partisan f*ck-stain.


Can his local medical board take away his Dr.'s license? 'Cause frankly that would be the type of crap that you'd get someone's license suspended in NY.
 
2013-01-11 02:27:37 PM

BMulligan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

No, you're misstating their point. Their point is not that the rape victim will have sex again in the next few days; their point is that it's just barely possible that a women might be raped at the moment that she would otherwise have been ovulating, and therefore will avoid pregnancy, where a lascivious slut will enjoy being raped, ovulate as scheduled during the act, then become pregnant days later by the rapist's jizz which she stored in her vajayjay for just such a nefarious purpose. Then, of course, she'll cry rape so that the 47% will have to buy Air Jordans some day for her non-rape rape-baby.

I didn't say it was a good point


kinda cringed a little bit at your foray into humor there, B
 
2013-01-11 02:27:54 PM
Next time my insurance causes me to find yet another ob-gyn, I am going to look at political affiliation. Republicans simply do not do science well.
 
2013-01-11 02:28:07 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"


Wait, are you saying that a woman might not want to a) expose her partner to STDs she may have just gotten from her rapist, and b) conceive a child of unknown paternity on account of having just been raped?

This thread is crazypants.
 
2013-01-11 02:28:38 PM

pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.


Question: how would adrenaline stay in the system to prevent ovulation for 3-5 days?
 
2013-01-11 02:28:40 PM

pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.


He clearly does not have a vagina. Let's ask a ladydoctor

www.mayoclinic.com
 
2013-01-11 02:28:42 PM

BMulligan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

No, you're misstating their point. Their point is not that the rape victim will have sex again in the next few days; their point is that it's just barely possible that a women might be raped at the moment that she would otherwise have been ovulating, and therefore will avoid pregnancy, where a lascivious slut will enjoy being raped, ovulate as scheduled during the act, then become pregnant days later by the rapist's jizz which she stored in her vajayjay for just such a nefarious purpose. Then, of course, she'll cry rape so that the 47% will have to buy Air Jordans some day for her non-rape rape-baby.

I didn't say it was a good point


Wait....that really IS what they mean, isn't it?

*sigh*

PS

+2 for lascivious and Air Jordans
 
2013-01-11 02:28:54 PM

Corvus: pdee: No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant.

So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

How much of a factor is it based on the ovulation THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED hours ago before the rape from 0 = Being no facotor at all. 3- being a partial factor. and 5- being can't get pregnant like Akins said?


Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.
 
2013-01-11 02:28:56 PM

skullkrusher: kinda cringed a little bit at your foray into humor there, B


Good. That will probably prevent you from becoming pregnant.
 
2013-01-11 02:29:44 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher YES - Driving a car makes it impossible for all women to give birth could reduce the likelihood if pregnancy is a somewhat true statement if the woman is sufficiently stressed enough by driving. However, only an absolute idiot would pretend that the stress from driving is anywhere nearly as universal or intense as the stress from rape.


Love this.

I love it too.


talkingpointsmemo.com


"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"



So being "tense" and "not drinking wine" comparing to rape = OK
But comparing it to driving = absolute idiot

Right?
 
2013-01-11 02:30:25 PM

amiable: Satan's Bunny Slippers: amiable: This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you can tell they do not own the equipment.

They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

It's a fun read here at work on a slow friday afternoon.

Own? I willing to bet they've never even seen the equipment.


Now, now, even they can figure out internet pr0n. Now as for IRL....I may have to agree with you there.
 
2013-01-11 02:30:26 PM

Lionel Mandrake:

"As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it."

~Clayton Williams (R - TX) gubernatorial candidate (shockingly, he lost) and John McCain fund raiser


You know who said that first? Friedrich Nietzsche.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amor_fati
 
2013-01-11 02:30:34 PM

pdee: Corvus: pdee: No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant.

So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

How much of a factor is it based on the ovulation THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED hours ago before the rape from 0 = Being no facotor at all. 3- being a partial factor. and 5- being can't get pregnant like Akins said?

Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.


So where was this in Gingrey statement? You DO know the original point I was making don't you?
 
2013-01-11 02:31:15 PM
Googling around I find that CHRONIC stress can affect fertility by DELAYING ovulation but I don't see anything else about stress affecting fertility...

...except one study suggesting that ACUTE STRESS may INDUCE OVULATION.

/i don't speak medicalese...
 
2013-01-11 02:31:24 PM

DeaH: Next time my insurance causes me to find yet another ob-gyn, I am going to look at political affiliation. Republicans simply do not do science well.


Yeah, gotta say, I feel sorry for anyone reading this article and going "Oh,  fark, that was my ob-gyn!". Malpractice investigations might be warranted here.
 
2013-01-11 02:31:30 PM

serpent_sky: How is it even possible there are this many idiots, in positions of power, who actively defend and embrace rape?  I really felt like rape was something that nearly everyone in the universe agreed was a terrible thing, and yet, every other day, someone in the Republican party comes out with a new way of saying it's not so bad.  I honestly don't understand how the party has essentially come out in goddamned  favor of rape. Of all the things in the entire universe they could come out in favor of, that's the one they chose?  Carjacking would be more popular.


Rape used to be covered up, much as child abuse. It's embarassing to the families. Good christian families knew this, and kept these things in-house.

The, the feminazis got involved.

Now, we're allowing Suzie to abort Uncle Joe's baby and putting Uncle Joe in jail, and the whole farking world needs to know, apparently.

These fine men are simply trying to get the government out of their lives.
 
2013-01-11 02:31:34 PM

pdee: Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.


So then women don't get pregnant from rape then? We are fine then right?
 
2013-01-11 02:31:49 PM

imontheinternet: Akin said that when being raped women's bodies "shut down" and prevent them from getting pregnant.  The material he got that notion from talks about "spastic tubes."  Akin's statement was not correct, partially or otherwise.


The uterus is not a big truck.  It's a series of spastic tubes.
 
2013-01-11 02:32:34 PM
talkingpointsmemo.com

Is it just me, or does he look a lot like Jeremy Clarkson?

upload.wikimedia.org
/The most legitimate rape IN THE WORLD
 
2013-01-11 02:32:55 PM

pdee: Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.


Answer the question. How would adrenaline stay in the body long enough to prevent ovulation after the rape?
 
2013-01-11 02:33:02 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher YES - Driving a car makes it impossible for all women to give birth could reduce the likelihood if pregnancy is a somewhat true statement if the woman is sufficiently stressed enough by driving. However, only an absolute idiot would pretend that the stress from driving is anywhere nearly as universal or intense as the stress from rape.


Love this.

I love it too.

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]


"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"


So being "tense" and "not drinking wine" comparing to rape = OK
But comparing it to driving = absolute idiot

Right?


only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.
 
2013-01-11 02:33:09 PM

pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.


This doesn't really make one less likely to get pregnant from rape.
 
2013-01-11 02:33:54 PM

someonelse: Satan's Bunny Slippers: They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

Wait, are you saying that a woman might not want to a) expose her partner to STDs she may have just gotten from her rapist, and b) conceive a child of unknown paternity on account of having just been raped?

This thread is crazypants.


Apparently she needs the anchor rape baby to get her 0bamaphone and more welfare handouts
 
2013-01-11 02:34:01 PM

Satanic_Hamster: FloydA: They really don't know when to quit.

WHY the fark hasn't the GOP sent out a damned memo to all their people? Doesn't have to be wrong, just:
"Don't say the word rape. Stop bringing up Atkin. Don't defend his statements. Don't just bring him up unsolicited."


Remember, these are the same people that swore up and down that Romney's wasn't just gonna win, he'd win in a landslide. Only to see reality smack them in the face with a spiked baseball bat.
 
2013-01-11 02:34:11 PM
monkeysgonetoheaven.com

Hello, you've reached the Fark gynecology department. What can we help you with today?
 
2013-01-11 02:34:36 PM
When the bottom of a thread is all Corvus and skullkrusher, it's time to moooove along.
Nothing to see here.
 
2013-01-11 02:35:05 PM

skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.


Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.
 
2013-01-11 02:35:39 PM

skullkrusher: However, only an absolute idiot would pretend that the stress from driving is anywhere nearly as universal or intense as the stress from rape.


Or how about if you compared with not being relaxed? You know like the guy you are defending?

talkingpointsmemo.com

"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"


Seems like a double standard.

Besides I am not comparing driving to being raped at all. I am point out how stupid your argument is. I know that's too hard for you to understand that rules should apply consistently not only to people on "your team".
 
2013-01-11 02:35:45 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: ...except one study suggesting that ACUTE STRESS may INDUCE OVULATION.


That makes a weird kind of sense in a way. Trees can produce a ton of seeds/fruit when they're under stress. They perceive that they are under threat, so they try desperately to reproduce in case they're about to kick the bucket.
 
2013-01-11 02:36:21 PM

Corvus: sprawl15: Corvus: pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.

So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!

Yup. It's every woman's responsibility to dump the evidence.

And according to skullkrusher and pdee women don't try to clean up after rapes. I guess it's because they are all whores or something.


According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.
 
2013-01-11 02:36:33 PM
Hey! It's a Fark party!

www.weareultraviolet.org
 
2013-01-11 02:37:22 PM

skullkrusher: only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.


I wasn't I was showing that you argument was stupid.

Here is SOMEONE who compared it to "not relaxing"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/01/phil-gingrey-1-cropped -p roto-custom_28.jpg

"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"

You must really think he is an idiot --- Oh wait no you have been defending his statement this whole time!!!
 
2013-01-11 02:37:32 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Answer the question. How would adrenaline stay in the body long enough to prevent ovulation after the rape?


I think they use a turkey baster.
 
2013-01-11 02:37:42 PM

pdee: Corvus: sprawl15: Corvus: pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.

So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!

Yup. It's every woman's responsibility to dump the evidence.

And according to skullkrusher and pdee women don't try to clean up after rapes. I guess it's because they are all whores or something.

According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.


Which is 3-5 days later?
 
2013-01-11 02:38:01 PM

imontheinternet: [monkeysgonetoheaven.com image 300x450]

Hello, you've reached the Fark gynecology department. What can we help you with today?


I'm sorry. I know it's inhumane and inexcusable, but I just can't look at a chimp in clothes and not laugh out loud.
 
2013-01-11 02:38:02 PM

pdee: Corvus: sprawl15: Corvus: pdee: Sperm can stay alive and active inside a women for quite a long time. A few days IFIRC. Therefor a women could have sex and ovulate later and become preggers.

So it's the woman's fault for not douching after being raped. Good point!!!

Yup. It's every woman's responsibility to dump the evidence.

And according to skullkrusher and pdee women don't try to clean up after rapes. I guess it's because they are all whores or something.

According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.


And that takes 4 to 5 days? WOW!!! You are really educating us.
 
2013-01-11 02:38:31 PM

amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.


what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?
 
2013-01-11 02:39:01 PM

someonelse: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: ...except one study suggesting that ACUTE STRESS may INDUCE OVULATION.

That makes a weird kind of sense in a way. Trees can produce a ton of seeds/fruit when they're under stress. They perceive that they are under threat, so they try desperately to reproduce in case they're about to kick the bucket.


It's almost as if women's bodies do not function in a universally blanket way.
 
2013-01-11 02:39:03 PM

BMulligan: imontheinternet: [monkeysgonetoheaven.com image 300x450]

Hello, you've reached the Fark gynecology department. What can we help you with today?

I'm sorry. I know it's inhumane and inexcusable, but I just can't look at a chimp in clothes and not laugh out loud.


Remember it's unfair to show that they have statements completely conflicting each other.
 
2013-01-11 02:39:54 PM

Mentat: Hide it under a bushel?  NO!  I'm gonna let it derp!


Almost spit tea all over my keyboard!
 
2013-01-11 02:40:03 PM

fenianfark: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

Is it just me, or does he look a lot like Jeremy Clarkson?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 230x345]
/The most legitimate rape IN THE WORLD


Heh, I thought that too.
 
2013-01-11 02:40:11 PM

pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.


Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?
 
2013-01-11 02:40:40 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: amiable: This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you can tell they do not own the equipment.

They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

It's a fun read here at work on a slow friday afternoon.


What the fark are you talking about?

If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.
 
2013-01-11 02:40:53 PM

someonelse: Trees can produce a ton of seeds/fruit when they're under stress. They perceive that they are under threat, so they try desperately to reproduce in case they're about to kick the bucket.


You know people don't really consider that when all they have on their mind is getting a piece of ash.
 
2013-01-11 02:41:29 PM

Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.

So some women are on the birth control. And Birth control makes it harder to get pregnant too. Those women get raped. So that also supports that it's harder to get pregnant from rape too using that logic right?

Rape causes stress. Your statement is nonsense.

Yes but the ovulation is not occurring at the time of rape so the stress has no bearing at all to the pregnancy that would happen from that rape.


WRONG
 
2013-01-11 02:41:57 PM

skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.

what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?


So is this guy a complete idiot for comparing "being tense and uptight" to being raped?

talkingpointsmemo.com
"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right [about rape] wasn't he?"


Or do you have two sets of rules for that like usual?
 
2013-01-11 02:42:26 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-11 02:42:42 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

I wasn't I was showing that you argument was stupid.

Here is SOMEONE who compared it to "not relaxing"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/01/phil-gingrey-1-cropped -p roto-custom_28.jpg
"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"

You must really think he is an idiot --- Oh wait no you have been defending his statement this whole time!!!


no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display
 
2013-01-11 02:43:01 PM

pdee: If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.


And if she isn't raped at all, even less likely yet to get pregnant. Perhaps that's the problem our elected representatives should be addressing, and not God's gift of rape babies.
 
2013-01-11 02:43:03 PM

pdee: Satan's Bunny Slippers: amiable: This thread is awesome, if only for skullcrusher's and pdee's hilarious attempts to enlighten us on how the female reproductive system works.

Please, proceed.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you can tell they do not own the equipment.

They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

It's a fun read here at work on a slow friday afternoon.

What the fark are you talking about?

If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.



No farktard. A woman is much less likely to conceive after being raped because she has been to the hospital and received treatment that includes the morning after pill should she so choose.

Your silly argument is becoming belabored and boring. Good bye.
 
2013-01-11 02:43:29 PM

pdee: Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant. He failed to mention the stress could also prevent the implantation or in the case of extreme stress cause a miscarriage. I would think rape could cause extreme stress.

So some women are on the birth control. And Birth control makes it harder to get pregnant too. Those women get raped. So that also supports that it's harder to get pregnant from rape too using that logic right?

Rape causes stress. Your statement is nonsense.

Yes but the ovulation is not occurring at the time of rape so the stress has no bearing at all to the pregnancy that would happen from that rape.

WRONG


So then women can't get pregnant from being raped? Akins was right?
 
exi
2013-01-11 02:44:14 PM

Lionel Mandrake: AdolfOliverPanties: So if a woman just relaxes, drinks a glass of wine and isn't so tense and uptight, she'll enjoy her rape and there's a chance of impregnation.

"As long as it's inevitable, you might as well lie back and enjoy it."

~Clayton Williams (R - TX) gubernatorial candidate (shockingly, he lost) and John McCain fund raiser


If Claytie and Anne Richards were running for governor of Texas today he could probably say crap like this every day and still get elected.
 
2013-01-11 02:44:14 PM

BMulligan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: They also seem to think that a woman would even consider the idea of having sex AFTER she's been raped, as they are using this as a talking point "sperm can live for DAYS....blah de blah blah"

No, you're misstating their point. Their point is not that the rape victim will have sex again in the next few days; their point is that it's just barely possible that a women might be raped at the moment that she would otherwise have been ovulating, and therefore will avoid pregnancy, where a lascivious slut will enjoy being raped, ovulate as scheduled during the act, then become pregnant days later by the rapist's jizz which she stored in her vajayjay for just such a nefarious purpose. Then, of course, she'll cry rape so that the 47% will have to buy Air Jordans some day for her non-rape rape-baby.

I didn't say it was a good point


As always fark libs cant argue what has been said they only argue what the want to pretend someone else said.
 
2013-01-11 02:44:47 PM

skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.

what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?


I'm mocking you, because this is the most mock-worthy thread I have seen on FARK for literally years. It has 2 schlubs who obviously know jack and shiat about how the female reproductive system works (hint: rape does not lower the likelihood of pregnancy - http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/health/rape-pregnancy/index.html , http://news.yahoo.com/rape-trauma-barrier-pregnancy-no-scientific-basi s-235231028.html - if you believe this you are a full on retard) Trying to defend another idiot for saying it. You deserve all the mocking you are getting because you are being utterly ridiculous.
 
2013-01-11 02:45:18 PM

skullkrusher: whereas rape will impart insane amounts of stress on the toughest woman.


A nice towel of chloroform will quickly get rid of that stress.
 
2013-01-11 02:45:30 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.

Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?


I have disregarded this police investigation/"what if she cleans up" aspect. Women can get pregnant for days after having sex. It is factually true and not disputed by anyone who knew that before coming into this thread but disregarded by those who did not know it and now are afraid to recognize it because it would cause a loss of face
 
2013-01-11 02:45:55 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

I wasn't I was showing that you argument was stupid.

Here is SOMEONE who compared it to "not relaxing"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/01/phil-gingrey-1-cropped -p roto-custom_28.jpg
"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"

You must really think he is an idiot --- Oh wait no you have been defending his statement this whole time!!!

no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display


No I wasn't I was comparing it to the "tense and uptight" and stress that Gingrey was referring to.


So Gingrey was not comparing it to rape at all now? Now it had NOTHING to do with the rape statement?
 
2013-01-11 02:46:03 PM

Soup4Bonnie: someonelse: Trees can produce a ton of seeds/fruit when they're under stress. They perceive that they are under threat, so they try desperately to reproduce in case they're about to kick the bucket.

You know people don't really consider that when all they have on their mind is getting a piece of ash.


theouterbox.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-11 02:46:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.

Question: how would adrenaline stay in the system to prevent ovulation for 3-5 days?


So how long do think it takes the average women to get over the stress of being raped? What about 5 min?
 
2013-01-11 02:47:44 PM

amiable: skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.

what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?

I'm mocking you, because this is the most mock-worthy thread I have seen on FARK for literally years. It has 2 schlubs who obviously know jack and shiat about how the female reproductive system works (hint: rape does not lower the likelihood of pregnancy - http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/health/rape-pregnancy/index.html , http://news.yahoo.com/rape-trauma-barrier-pregnancy-no-scientific-basi s-235231028.html - if you believe this you are a full on retard) Trying to defend another idiot for saying it. You deserve all the mocking you are getting because you are being utterly ridiculous.


Fine, I'll take your links over Gingrey.
Perhaps acute stress does not have the same impact that long term stress does. If that is the case, then Gingrey is wrong and Akin is 100% wrong.
 
2013-01-11 02:48:17 PM

skullkrusher: no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display


Was Gingrey statement comparing the stressful situation he mentioned to rape or not?
 
2013-01-11 02:50:02 PM

pdee: cameroncrazy1984: pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.

Question: how would adrenaline stay in the system to prevent ovulation for 3-5 days?

So how long do think it takes the average women to get over the stress of being raped? What about 5 min?


That wasn't the question. They don't have adrenaline in their system for 3-5 days after the incident. It's the adrenaline that supposedly staves off the ovulation, right?
 
2013-01-11 02:50:17 PM

Dog Welder: I fail to see how any person with a vagina votes Republican these days, but there you have it...they are out there.


I don't see how anyone who is not a sociopathic masochist votes Republican.

It's very very sad how many humans in our country are sociopathicl.
 
2013-01-11 02:50:30 PM

skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher: amiable: skullkrusher:

only an idiot would compare the stress of trying to have a baby to driving.

Have you considered opening a fertility clinic? Think of how many couples you could help with your folksy wisdom.

what do you think you're doing here? I mean, you've said a few times that my lack of a vagina means I can't understand these things. That wasn't too smart in hindsight, was it?

I'm mocking you, because this is the most mock-worthy thread I have seen on FARK for literally years. It has 2 schlubs who obviously know jack and shiat about how the female reproductive system works (hint: rape does not lower the likelihood of pregnancy - http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/21/health/rape-pregnancy/index.html , http://news.yahoo.com/rape-trauma-barrier-pregnancy-no-scientific-basi s-235231028.html - if you believe this you are a full on retard) Trying to defend another idiot for saying it. You deserve all the mocking you are getting because you are being utterly ridiculous.

Fine, I'll take your links over Gingrey.
Perhaps acute stress does not have the same impact that long term stress does. If that is the case, then Gingrey is wrong and Akin is 100% wrong.


as an addendum, I actually have a very good understanding of how female reproduction works having gone through meetings with my wife's OBGYN advising us on the best ways to get pregnant. Avoiding stress as much as possible was the #1, non-obvious recommendation she made. It's the difference between acute and long term stress here that the research apparently highlights.
 
2013-01-11 02:50:59 PM

Corvus: pdee: Corvus: pdee: No that not what the article said. He explained that stress can prevent a women from ovulating thus preventing her from becoming pregnant.

So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

How much of a factor is it based on the ovulation THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED hours ago before the rape from 0 = Being no facotor at all. 3- being a partial factor. and 5- being can't get pregnant like Akins said?

Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

So where was this in Gingrey statement? You DO know the original point I was making don't you?


No. I have no idea what your original point was. But it looks like on your 0 to 5 scale the answer is 2.5 to 5.
 
2013-01-11 02:51:06 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display

Was Gingrey statement comparing the stressful situation he mentioned to rape or not?


no
 
2013-01-11 02:51:11 PM

pdee: Question: how would adrenaline stay in the system to prevent ovulation for 3-5 days?

So how long do think it takes the average women to get over the stress of being raped? What about 5 min?


It can and often takes years, if one ever really does recover fully from it. But it's not a constant adrenaline surge, not even in the days immediately after.
 
2013-01-11 02:51:43 PM

skullkrusher: Satan's Bunny Slippers: pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.

Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?

I have disregarded this police investigation/"what if she cleans up" aspect. Women can get pregnant for days after having sex. It is factually true and not disputed by anyone who knew that before coming into this thread but disregarded by those who did not know it and now are afraid to recognize it because it would cause a loss of face


sorry skull. I shouldn't have included you in this comment to pdee, as you are not being willfully obtuse about this point.

my bad.
 
2013-01-11 02:51:52 PM

skullkrusher: somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display


Some people have severe anxiety attacks because of driving. But thanks for making fun of people who have a serious issue retard.
 
2013-01-11 02:52:15 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.

This doesn't really make one less likely to get pregnant from rape.


Yes it does.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.
 
2013-01-11 02:53:00 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display

Was Gingrey statement comparing the stressful situation he mentioned to rape or not?

no


Ahh so then you agree his statement had NOTHING to do with supporting Akins statement about rape and I was right all along.
 
2013-01-11 02:53:39 PM

PsiChick: Yeah, gotta say, I feel sorry for anyone reading this article and going "Oh, fark, that was my ob-gyn!".


I still remember my first visit to Dr. Gingrey's office quite vividly. Throughout the checkup, he kept making "tut-tut" sounds as if he were deeply disappointed with what he was inspecting. At one point he stopped and slowly raised his eyes up toward mine, just barely peering at me over the hem of my patient's smock. He gaze lingered on mine for an uncomfortable amount of time, his hot breath wafting over the lips of my stretched inner labia, before he whispered to me, ever so quietly, "you're quite the little slut, aren't you?"

Needless to say, I walked out of his office with TWO lollipops that day.
 
2013-01-11 02:54:23 PM
someonelse:

[theouterbox.files.wordpress.com image 500x337]

If you're going that route, then you gotta catch them all.

www.lopgo.com.br
 
2013-01-11 02:54:33 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher: Satan's Bunny Slippers: pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.

Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?

I have disregarded this police investigation/"what if she cleans up" aspect. Women can get pregnant for days after having sex. It is factually true and not disputed by anyone who knew that before coming into this thread but disregarded by those who did not know it and now are afraid to recognize it because it would cause a loss of face

sorry skull. I shouldn't have included you in this comment to pdee, as you are not being willfully obtuse about this point.

my bad.


honestly, I'll happily back off support for Gingrey here if the research shows that acute stress does not impact ovulation while long term stress does. I think I even have had this conversation before but apparently forgot. Seeing the acute vs long term distinction in Amiable's link reminded me. My bad.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:25 PM
jfc. Should have looked at the size. Sorry to people still watching other people fight in a dead-end thread.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:33 PM

Corvus: Some people have severe anxiety attacks because of driving. But thanks for making fun of people who have a serious issue retard.


I have severe anxiety attacks, and have gotten them while driving. As awful as they are, I could never even kind of, sort of, compare them to rape.  I was raped four years ago, and I'm still not okay.  However, even my worst panic attacks only last a few minutes and I have medicine that can put an end to them rather quickly. Rape, not so much. Your comparison is completely ridiculous.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:46 PM

Corvus: pdee: Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.

So then women don't get pregnant from rape then? We are fine then right?


Women do get pregnant from rape. It is X% less likely to get pregnant from rape sex than consenual sex.

Where X = Unknown.

Based in the time window it looks like possibly 50% to 100%.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.
 
2013-01-11 02:56:03 PM

DeltaPunch: PsiChick: Yeah, gotta say, I feel sorry for anyone reading this article and going "Oh, fark, that was my ob-gyn!".

I still remember my first visit to Dr. Gingrey's office quite vividly. Throughout the checkup, he kept making "tut-tut" sounds as if he were deeply disappointed with what he was inspecting. At one point he stopped and slowly raised his eyes up toward mine, just barely peering at me over the hem of my patient's smock. He gaze lingered on mine for an uncomfortable amount of time, his hot breath wafting over the lips of my stretched inner labia, before he whispered to me, ever so quietly, "you're quite the little slut, aren't you?"

Needless to say, I walked out of his office with TWO lollipops that day.


Sounds like an old episode from "Law & Order".
 
2013-01-11 02:56:43 PM

Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: no, you were. You were literally comparing the stress of driving to the level of stress of rape and now to trying to have a child. Yes, it is very stressful and worries many couples. This worry and stress can result in a reaction in the woman which could hinder he ability to get pregnant.
Of course this stress is far less than that of rape but it is quite a bit more than the stress from driving... somehow you keep beating this driving drum as if talking about woman going all hysterical behind the wheel paints you as less of an idiot than your posts already display

Was Gingrey statement comparing the stressful situation he mentioned to rape or not?

no

Ahh so then you agree his statement had NOTHING to do with supporting Akins statement about rape and I was right all along.


no - see, he didn't compare trying to have a kid with rape. He said that couples experience stress trying to conceive and he recommends they relax. He didn't pull something ridiculous like driving out of his ass although he is apparently as ignorant of the different impacts between acute and ongoing stress as I was.
 
2013-01-11 02:57:10 PM

serpent_sky: How is it even possible there are this many idiots, in positions of power, who actively defend and embrace rape?  I really felt like rape was something that nearly everyone in the universe agreed was a terrible thing, and yet, every other day, someone in the Republican party comes out with a new way of saying it's not so bad.  I honestly don't understand how the party has essentially come out in goddamned  favor of rape. Of all the things in the entire universe they could come out in favor of, that's the one they chose?  Carjacking would be more popular.


Well let's see here. Egalitarian Half-Baked Theory Times:

Rape = vicious power move on somebody else
People in Power = people who like to have power over others
There may be some overlap between Rape and People in Power.

People in power tend to de-anthropomorphize those who aren't in power and consequently tend to use poor/vulnerable people as objects. And people in power will act to protect each other's privilege in this respect, or at least their own reputation. See: Sandusky scandal, Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, that pedophile BBC announcer. It seems like an unfortunate but common theme in societies that the rich prey on the poor and weak, and such predation is often protected.

Many conservative men prefer that women be a subordinate group. An effective way to keep women subordinate is rape. Also to remove options to control their own lives, like birth control and abortion. Why not be pro-life and dismiss the seriousness of rape at the same time? The internal logic must make sense to these a-holes, even if they don't spell it out to themselves explicitly.

\there's a lot more to it, Good Ol' Boys and all that, but it's a start
 
2013-01-11 02:57:14 PM

cameroncrazy1984: pdee: Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.

Answer the question. How would adrenaline stay in the body long enough to prevent ovulation after the rape?


Adrenaline can be caused by stress. How long after rape does the stress last?
 
2013-01-11 02:58:38 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.


??? He said that stress can prevent ovulation. How in the hell can you possibly relate that to rape? He was acting as an apologist for two people who trivialized rape for the sake of political pandering.
 
2013-01-11 02:59:29 PM

skullkrusher:

sorry skull. I shouldn't have included you in this comment to pdee, as you are not being willfully obtuse about this point.

my bad.

honestly, I'll happily back off support for Gingrey here if the research shows that acute stress does not impact ovulation while long term stress does. I think I even have had this conversation before but apparently forgot. Seeing the acute vs long term distinction in Amiable's link reminded me. My bad.


I've disagreed with you on lots of things here, and still do, but at least you are open to information, which counts for alot.

Gingrey is a dick, and ham fisted with words every bit as much as Mourdoch and Akin. They all should all just STFU about rape of any kind and go crawl in a hole.
 
2013-01-11 03:00:28 PM

Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

??? He said that stress can prevent ovulation. How in the hell can you possibly relate that to rape? He was acting as an apologist for two people who trivialized rape for the sake of political pandering.


I dunno - cuz ovulation is necessary for pregnancy and rape is very stressful? I've since learned (been reminded) that there is a different impact between acute and ongoing stress in terms of ovulation but this shouldn't be as hard to get as so many have pretended it to be. Their quibbles weren't with the different types of stress.
 
2013-01-11 03:01:14 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher:

sorry skull. I shouldn't have included you in this comment to pdee, as you are not being willfully obtuse about this point.

my bad.

honestly, I'll happily back off support for Gingrey here if the research shows that acute stress does not impact ovulation while long term stress does. I think I even have had this conversation before but apparently forgot. Seeing the acute vs long term distinction in Amiable's link reminded me. My bad.

I've disagreed with you on lots of things here, and still do, but at least you are open to information, which counts for alot.

Gingrey is a dick, and ham fisted with words every bit as much as Mourdoch and Akin. They all should all just STFU about rape of any kind and go crawl in a hole.


well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place
 
2013-01-11 03:01:52 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.

Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?


You people are really trying hard to ignore the facts.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

The time window for pregnancy is 4 to 5 days. Most of that is after ovulation. If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation the the windows is down to 24 to 48 hours.
 
2013-01-11 03:03:27 PM

pdee:

The time window for pregnancy is 4 to 5 days. Most of that is after ovulation. If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation the the windows is down to 24 to 48 hours.


pdee- Skull was smart enough to revise his opinion when presented with contrary information. You should really follow his lead.
 
2013-01-11 03:03:36 PM

BMulligan: pdee: If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.

And if she isn't raped at all, even less likely yet to get pregnant. Perhaps that's the problem our elected representatives should be addressing, and not God's gift of rape babies.


Ill go out on a limb here but I think that if the press stops asking them about rape babies they will stop talking about rape.
 
2013-01-11 03:04:00 PM
Christ, what is wrong with some of you people. Are you trying to tell us that women never get pregnant from rape?

Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.
 
2013-01-11 03:05:25 PM

skullkrusher:

well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place


yep. and this filter pwn really did make me snerk out loud.
 
Xai
2013-01-11 03:05:42 PM
Jesus america is farked up
 
2013-01-11 03:06:18 PM

cameroncrazy1984: pdee: cameroncrazy1984: pdee: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Corvus: So if a woman gets raped the ovary goes in a time machine and goes before ovulation and goes back?

no, again, that's what makes Akin partially wrong. That's what Gingrey said. Holy farking shiat.

If you're ovulating at the time of the intercourse, I would think that's too early for you to get pregnant anyway.

And this is the guy telling other people to "educate themselves" about the subject.

Yes you really need to educate yourself before you make more stupid statements.

Sperm ejaculated into a woman's vagina can live in a woman's cervical mucus or upper genital tract for three to five days.

Question: how would adrenaline stay in the system to prevent ovulation for 3-5 days?

So how long do think it takes the average women to get over the stress of being raped? What about 5 min?

That wasn't the question. They don't have adrenaline in their system for 3-5 days after the incident. It's the adrenaline that supposedly staves off the ovulation, right?


You cant really be that stupid can you?

The Relationship between Adrenaline and Stress
 
2013-01-11 03:07:50 PM
This whole topic is really morbidly hilarious. In an attempt to absolutely deny that there can be any nuance on the issue of abortion, these politicians are instead forced to insist there is nuance on the issue of rape.
 
2013-01-11 03:08:02 PM
Holy shiat. Are you farking KIDDING?
This is like someone who, when told fire is hot, sticks their hand in it, gets burned, has to go to the emergency room, runs up huge medical bills, gets a staph infection, has to declare bankruptcy...
Then once they get done with all that they stick their goddamn hand in the fire AGAIN.
They just. Don't. Learn.
 
2013-01-11 03:10:14 PM
And it all ignores that the likelihood of conceiving from rape has absolutely no bearing on a raped woman's right to an abortion.
 
2013-01-11 03:11:14 PM

DeltaPunch: PsiChick: Yeah, gotta say, I feel sorry for anyone reading this article and going "Oh, fark, that was my ob-gyn!".

I still remember my first visit to Dr. Gingrey's office quite vividly. Throughout the checkup, he kept making "tut-tut" sounds as if he were deeply disappointed with what he was inspecting. At one point he stopped and slowly raised his eyes up toward mine, just barely peering at me over the hem of my patient's smock. He gaze lingered on mine for an uncomfortable amount of time, his hot breath wafting over the lips of my stretched inner labia, before he whispered to me, ever so quietly, "you're quite the little slut, aren't you?"

Needless to say, I walked out of his office with TWO lollipops that day.

johnabcitizen.com
 
2013-01-11 03:11:38 PM

burndtdan: In an attempt to absolutely deny that there can be any nuance on the issue of abortion, these politicians are instead forced to insist there is nuance on the issue of rape.


UnrepentantApostate: And it all ignores that the likelihood of conceiving from rape has absolutely no bearing on a raped woman's right to an abortion.


Yep and yep.
 
2013-01-11 03:12:59 PM
Republicans Please stick to the economy and foreign affairs.

Social issues, never speak of them again.

That is all.
 
2013-01-11 03:12:59 PM

pdee: Ill go out on a limb here but I think that if the press stops asking them about rape babies they will stop talking about rape.


And by "press" you mean the audience at the Cobb Chamber of Commerce breakfast Thursday in Smyrna, GA mistakenly asking why the Democrats made abortion a central theme of the Presidential campaign, of course.
 
2013-01-11 03:14:04 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher:

well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place

yep. and this filter pwn really did make me snerk out loud.


That wasn't a filter pwn, which makes it even funnier ;)
 
2013-01-11 03:14:59 PM

Pincy: Christ, what is wrong with some of you people. Are you trying to tell us that women never get pregnant from rape?

Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.


This starts each time when a pro-life politician is ask about rape babies. Akin wanted to pretend that women almost never get pregnant from rape so we dont need to consider the possibility.

The press know most people support a rape victim being able to abort the child of the rapist. Religious fundies see abortion as murder and expect their candidates to be against all abortions. So asking a right wing politician about rape babies is a guaranteed gotcha.
 
2013-01-11 03:15:00 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.


Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.
 
2013-01-11 03:16:29 PM

lennavan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher:

well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place

yep. and this filter pwn really did make me snerk out loud.

That wasn't a filter pwn, which makes it even funnier ;)


I shant be filter pwnd!
 
2013-01-11 03:18:08 PM

Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.


I don't know what to say. I've admitted that I was wrong because of the acute/long term stress thing but you still insist on being right (that the doctor was wrong) but for entirely wrong reasons.

Not my leaders, bud. I just argue.
 
2013-01-11 03:18:35 PM

pdee: Pincy: Christ, what is wrong with some of you people. Are you trying to tell us that women never get pregnant from rape?

Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.

This starts each time when a pro-life politician is ask about rape babies. Akin wanted to pretend that women almost never get pregnant from rape so we dont need to consider the possibility.

The press know most people support a rape victim being able to abort the child of the rapist. Religious fundies see abortion as murder and expect their candidates to be against all abortions. So asking a right wing politician about rape babies is a guaranteed gotcha.


Well, the right wing candidate could just be honest and say "I don't think women should be able to have abortions because abortion is murder" instead of trying to use some tortured logic to appear more reasonable. It isn't a "gotcha" unless they make it one.
 
2013-01-11 03:18:48 PM

Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.


The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.
 
2013-01-11 03:19:49 PM

serpent_sky: Corvus: Some people have severe anxiety attacks because of driving. But thanks for making fun of people who have a serious issue retard.

I have severe anxiety attacks, and have gotten them while driving. As awful as they are, I could never even kind of, sort of, compare them to rape.  I was raped four years ago, and I'm still not okay.  However, even my worst panic attacks only last a few minutes and I have medicine that can put an end to them rather quickly. Rape, not so much. Your comparison is completely ridiculous.


I'm really sorry to hear that, serpent_sky. That really, really sucks.
 
2013-01-11 03:21:59 PM

FloydA: They really don't know when to quit.


Quit? It's written right in the damn republican party platform.

Republican Party Platform of 2012 Convention concerning abortion
 
2013-01-11 03:22:02 PM
The OB/GYN is dead wrong, as almost 100% of pregnancies in this country stem from rape.
 
2013-01-11 03:22:04 PM

pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.


Oh jesus christ, are you really that obtuse or do you just play one on TV?
 
2013-01-11 03:22:14 PM

pdee: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

His explanation showed that women don't get pregnant from rape to be what percentage to be true?

And give the exact quote that supports it.

Im pretty sure there have been no double blind studies involving raping women to determine rates on impregnation. We only know that stress both physical and mental decrease rates of impregnation. Akin's statement while stupid and largely based on his belief in an invisible sky man is NOT without some basis in fact.


Incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Stress may have some effect on OVULATION. Not impregnation. The victim is already either ovulating, or not at the time of the brutalization. You two are either trolling, or are a couple of the most disgusting creatures I have ever encountered.
 
2013-01-11 03:24:23 PM

pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.


BUT, the research shows that acute instances of stress does not have the impact that ongoing stress does on ovulation so the doctor was wrong.
 
2013-01-11 03:25:25 PM

Pincy: pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

Oh jesus christ, are you really that obtuse or do you just play one on TV?


Im simply stating a fact. What do you think im missing?
 
2013-01-11 03:26:04 PM

Mike_1962: pdee: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: pdee: Why are fark libs incapable of reading an article and responding to what it actually says. This whole thread is a circle jerk of glee at what you want to pretend they said.

He said he was partially right about the body makes it hard for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, then his explanation said it has actually no bearing on it whatsoever making Akins 100% wrong.

That's what the article said.

his explanation is why Akin was partially wrong.

His explanation showed that women don't get pregnant from rape to be what percentage to be true?

And give the exact quote that supports it.

Im pretty sure there have been no double blind studies involving raping women to determine rates on impregnation. We only know that stress both physical and mental decrease rates of impregnation. Akin's statement while stupid and largely based on his belief in an invisible sky man is NOT without some basis in fact.

Incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Stress may have some effect on OVULATION. Not impregnation. The victim is already either ovulating, or not at the time of the brutalization. You two are either trolling, or are a couple of the most disgusting creatures I have ever encountered.


this is amazing. Stress may impact ovulation but not fertilization. What wonders Fark doth unveil.
 
2013-01-11 03:26:18 PM
Someone who tries to excuse any form of rape probably oughtn't have a medical license.
 
2013-01-11 03:26:24 PM

Pincy: It isn't a "gotcha" unless they make it one.


It isn't a gotcha question if the question is about abortion and it's asked by a member of the Cobb Chamber of Commerce not "the press" and it's Gringrey himself who decides to wax poetic about rape glorious rape.

But you know, Republicans; always the victim.
 
2013-01-11 03:26:30 PM

PsiChick: DeaH: Next time my insurance causes me to find yet another ob-gyn, I am going to look at political affiliation. Republicans simply do not do science well.

Yeah, gotta say, I feel sorry for anyone reading this article and going "Oh,  fark, that was my ob-gyn!". Malpractice investigations might be warranted here.


Of course, I feel like I am being a little unfair.

It's not just matters gynecological at which they stink. Remember Dr. Frist and the Schiavo case?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-11 03:26:31 PM
This applies to EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD

www.patentspostgrant.com
 
2013-01-11 03:26:33 PM

Soup4Bonnie: pdee: Ill go out on a limb here but I think that if the press stops asking them about rape babies they will stop talking about rape.

And by "press" you mean the audience at the Cobb Chamber of Commerce breakfast Thursday in Smyrna, GA mistakenly asking why the Democrats made abortion a central theme of the Presidential campaign, of course.


Sometimes I think they define "press" as anyone who asks a question the answer to which later becomes inconvenient.
 
2013-01-11 03:27:11 PM

Pincy:

Oh jesus christ, are you really that obtuse or do you just play one on TV?


No, no, he really is. I changed the channel, couldn't stand him anymore.
 
2013-01-11 03:27:44 PM

Mike_1962: Incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Stress may have some effect on OVULATION. Not impregnation. The victim is already either ovulating, or not at the time of the brutalization. You two are either trolling, or are a couple of the most disgusting creatures I have ever encountered.


Those aren't mutually exclusive.  Plus, they can also be stupid.  All three can apply at the same time (legitimately).
 
2013-01-11 03:28:03 PM

Mike_1962: Incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Stress may have some effect on OVULATION. Not impregnation. The victim is already either ovulating, or not at the time of the brutalization. You two are either trolling, or are a couple of the most disgusting creatures I have ever encountered.


Look Mike, here's the thing. I agree with your conclusion. But your reasons are just really terrible. I mean really terrible. Here you fail to grasp the connection between ovulation and impregnation? You don't know how ovulation might be relevant to getting pregnant?

Mike_1962: Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected?


Corvus writes something that demonstrates he was unaware chronic stress reduces ovulation, which reduces your chances of getting pregnant. Skullkrusher mocks him for that. And your response is to pretend skullkrusher thinks eggs are released when sperm comes around? Where the fark did you pull that one from?

Dude, I agree with your conclusion. But I'm a biologist. You're seriously raping my field. Actual, legitimate rape. Stop it already.
 
2013-01-11 03:28:14 PM

skullkrusher: pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

BUT, the research shows that acute instances of stress does not have the impact that ongoing stress d ...


PTSD = Ongoing Stress

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in Rape Survivors
 
2013-01-11 03:28:53 PM

pdee: Pincy: pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

Oh jesus christ, are you really that obtuse or do you just play one on TV?

Im simply stating ...


OK, thanks for answering my question.
 
2013-01-11 03:29:11 PM
Okay, the fact that you guys have followed this rabbit trail arguing over mechanics of ovulation and fertilization and implantation makes me sad. The idea that the stress of a rape may, in a few cases, prevent pregnancy is not what Todd Akin was arguing. He was arguing that the stress of rape prevents pregnancy in such an overwhelming majority of cases that pregnancy from rape is a such a negligible concern that pregnant rape victims are not worth worrying about when drafting policy. That is not partially right, or misunderstood, or an exaggeration. That is just wrong, and Gingrey's support is disingenuous.

Todd Akin was not arguing that rain may, in certain cases, put out a house fire; he was arguing that houses basically never catch fire when it's raining.
 
2013-01-11 03:31:03 PM

pdee: skullkrusher: pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

BUT, the research shows that acute instances of stress does not have the impact that on ...


There is no doubt in my mind that the stress of being raped goes on for a very long time and that that can impact future pregnancy chances. We're talking about the chances from the initial act itself, however. There's not enough time for that to be "ongoing" stress. That's still in the acute category
 
2013-01-11 03:31:20 PM

skullkrusher: lennavan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher:

well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place

yep. and this filter pwn really did make me snerk out loud.

That wasn't a filter pwn, which makes it even funnier ;)

I shant be filter pwnd!


Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
 
2013-01-11 03:31:33 PM

Martian_Astronomer: He was arguing that the stress of rape prevents pregnancy in such an overwhelming majority of cases that pregnancy from rape is a such a negligible concern that pregnant rape victims are not worth worrying about when drafting policy.


Ya, we know that, we are just having fun with people who are trying to pretend that that wasn't the case.
 
2013-01-11 03:31:42 PM

Martian_Astronomer: Okay, the fact that you guys have followed this rabbit trail arguing over mechanics of ovulation and fertilization and implantation makes me sad. The idea that the stress of a rape may, in a few cases, prevent pregnancy is not what Todd Akin was arguing. He was arguing that the stress of rape prevents pregnancy in such an overwhelming majority of cases that pregnancy from rape is a such a negligible concern that pregnant rape victims are not worth worrying about when drafting policy. That is not partially right, or misunderstood, or an exaggeration. That is just wrong, and Gingrey's support is disingenuous.

Todd Akin was not arguing that rain may, in certain cases, put out a house fire; he was arguing that houses basically never catch fire when it's raining.


this is true
 
2013-01-11 03:32:39 PM

Kazan: all these legitimate rape guys should be sodomized with cactuses while the person repeatedly asks "is this legitimate rape? why isn't your body shutting that whole thing down?!"


Cactii? Seriously, though the Japanese have these cartoons, where the daemons have kit that makes a cactus look like a mere felafel. We should use those, the daemon schlongs, I mean.

Cheers.
 
2013-01-11 03:32:52 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher: lennavan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher:

well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place

yep. and this filter pwn really did make me snerk out loud.

That wasn't a filter pwn, which makes it even funnier ;)

I shant be filter pwnd!

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?


I'd prefer an African Swallow than a Swallowin' African, amirite? Wait, that made no farking sense
 
2013-01-11 03:33:56 PM
From TFA:

"Mourdock basically said 'Look, if there is conception in the aftermath of a rape, that's still a child, and it's a child of God, essentially,"
Gingrey is quoted as saying Thursday.

In other words, Gingrey's saying Mourdock's God rapes children? I'm glad we got that settled.

/and a very Mary farkin' Christmas to both of these 'tards.
 
2013-01-11 03:34:13 PM
Let me summarize:
1) forcible rape has a lower chance of causing pregnancy
2) if you get pregnant, you probably enjoyed yourself
3) if you enjoyed yourself, it wasn't forcible/legitimate rape
4) if it wasn't legitimate rape, you are a whore and a liar for calling it rape

Is that about it?
 
2013-01-11 03:34:20 PM

Strix occidentalis: Someone who tries to excuse any form of rape probably oughtn't have a medical license.


And yet a lot of doctors excuse rape where the woman consented. Consent is no excuse, it's still rape!
 
2013-01-11 03:35:40 PM

skullkrusher: Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher: lennavan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: skullkrusher:

well as I said in my titties, I have no idea why he was going there in the first place

yep. and this filter pwn really did make me snerk out loud.

That wasn't a filter pwn, which makes it even funnier ;)

I shant be filter pwnd!

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

I'd prefer an African Swallow than a Swallowin' African, amirite? Wait, that made no farking sense


Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
 
2013-01-11 03:37:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: pdee: Apparently you are much more likely to get pregnant by ovulating after sex than before.

Answer the question. How would adrenaline stay in the body long enough to prevent ovulation after the rape?


Yes, because the instant the adrenaline exits the system the woman ovulates. And adrenaline is the only stress related hormone involved in the process of ovulation, cortisol and norepinephrine have absolutely nothing to do with it. The woman certainly won't have nightmares after a rape, nor will she remain generally tense and agitated, because once the rape is over and she's out of that situation, she relaxes instantly. In fact, in some progressive yoga studios, they are using rape to invoke an otherworldly level of peace and tranquility.

Corvus, and it's hard to tell what your original point was after all of your fun strawman arguments about driving, but if I'm reading correctly, you're basing your argument on saying that Akin said that a woman will NEVER get pregnant from a "legitimate" rape, right? Which is at odds with what Akin's comment actually was:

"from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape] is really rare." -Todd Akin

Now what Gingrey is saying is that, yes, elevated stress hormones in the body, such as those produced from the traumatic incident of rape, can, in fact, increase the likelihood that ovulation that might have happened in the couple of days after the attack will not happen, or that those same elevated stress hormone levels can play a role in an embryo not attaching to the cervical lining, or even result in a early term miscarriage. This is all true. In fact, when dealing with fertility issues, reducing stress levels is one of the first interventions that is tried. What Gingrey didn't say, but implied, is that Akin's comment is partly correct in that the presence of stress hormones can make conception difficult, but that to say that pregnancy from rape is really rare is overreaching.

Should he have gone out of his way to say it? Hell, no. Is it just digging up a colossal blunder to mention it again four months later? Yep, it sure is. Is rape a horrible thing and in no way shape or form should we force women who were raped to carry their babies to term? Absolutely. Hell, I'm pro-choice, pro-cover-it-under-federal-healthcare-dollars.
 
2013-01-11 03:37:17 PM

Twilight Farkle: "Mourdock basically said 'Look, if there is conception in the aftermath of a rape, that's still a child, and it's a child of God, essentially,"
Gingrey is quoted as saying Thursday.


No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim. What none of the rest of us can figure out is why you think that victim should have to be reminded of the man who raped her every day for the rest of her life, when she looks in her child's face. Did they cover that in OB/GYN school, asshole?
 
2013-01-11 03:38:07 PM

mrshowrules: Let me summarize:
1) forcible rape has a lower chance of causing pregnancy
2) if you get pregnant, you probably enjoyed yourself
3) if you enjoyed yourself, it wasn't forcible/legitimate rape
4) if it wasn't legitimate rape, you are a whore and a liar for calling it rape

Is that about it?


That was a summary of Akin's comments, not this guy. This guy is more like:

A) forcible rape causes stress
B) stress reduces ovulation
C) reduced ovulation reduces chances of getting pregnant
D) Akin was partially right, see #1 above in your summary of Akin's argument

As is being discussed elsewhere, this guy is conflating acute with chronic stress.
 
2013-01-11 03:39:03 PM

Martian_Astronomer: Okay, the fact that you guys have followed this rabbit trail arguing over mechanics of ovulation and fertilization and implantation makes me sad. The idea that the stress of a rape may, in a few cases, prevent pregnancy is not what Todd Akin was arguing. He was arguing that the stress of rape prevents pregnancy in such an overwhelming majority of cases that pregnancy from rape is a such a negligible concern that pregnant rape victims are not worth worrying about when drafting policy. That is not partially right, or misunderstood, or an exaggeration. That is just wrong, and Gingrey's support is disingenuous.

Todd Akin was not arguing that rain may, in certain cases, put out a house fire; he was arguing that houses basically never catch fire when it's raining.


You are 100% correct. We can all point and laugh at Todd for misrepresenting the facts to support his religious beliefs. There is no harm in admitting that his statement had some factual basis even if they were in the majority incorrect. There is harm in pretending that he or other GOP candidates supports rape.
 
2013-01-11 03:39:56 PM

DeaH: PsiChick: DeaH: Next time my insurance causes me to find yet another ob-gyn, I am going to look at political affiliation. Republicans simply do not do science well.

Yeah, gotta say, I feel sorry for anyone reading this article and going "Oh,  fark, that was my ob-gyn!". Malpractice investigations might be warranted here.

Of course, I feel like I am being a little unfair.

It's not just matters gynecological at which they stink. Remember Dr. Frist and the Schiavo case?


I was too young to pick up on that more than pepherially, but damn, that looks like a mess.
 
2013-01-11 03:40:27 PM

lennavan: mrshowrules: Let me summarize:
1) forcible rape has a lower chance of causing pregnancy
2) if you get pregnant, you probably enjoyed yourself
3) if you enjoyed yourself, it wasn't forcible/legitimate rape
4) if it wasn't legitimate rape, you are a whore and a liar for calling it rape

Is that about it?

That was a summary of Akin's comments, not this guy. This guy is more like:

A) forcible rape causes stress
B) stress reduces ovulation
C) reduced ovulation reduces chances of getting pregnant
D) Akin was partially right, see #1 above in your summary of Akin's argument

As is being discussed elsewhere, this guy is conflating acute with chronic stress.


which is something an OBGYN shouldn't do with regards to this topic. Lots of people being right for the wrong reasons in here.
 
2013-01-11 03:40:51 PM

Martian_Astronomer: Okay, the fact that you guys have followed this rabbit trail arguing over mechanics of ovulation and fertilization and implantation makes me sad. The idea that the stress of a rape may, in a few cases, prevent pregnancy is not what Todd Akin was arguing. He was arguing that the stress of rape prevents pregnancy in such an overwhelming majority of cases that pregnancy from rape is a such a negligible concern that pregnant rape victims are not worth worrying about when drafting policy. That is not partially right, or misunderstood, or an exaggeration. That is just wrong, and Gingrey's support is disingenuous.

Todd Akin was not arguing that rain may, in certain cases, put out a house fire; he was arguing that houses basically never catch fire when it's raining.


Or, if I shoot someone in the stomach with a small caliber gun, the odds are that modern medicine will save the life of the person in the majority of cases.  Therefore it really isn't attempted murder.
 
2013-01-11 03:41:29 PM

pdee: There is harm in pretending that he or other GOP candidates supports rape.


Supports? Perhaps not. Displays an epic quantity of insensitivity and lack of empathy every time the subject is raised? Abso-farking-luteky.
 
2013-01-11 03:42:07 PM

pdee: There is harm in pretending that he or other GOP candidates supports rape.


This is the moment I imagine you typing with pants on your head.
 
2013-01-11 03:42:10 PM

pdee: Martian_Astronomer: Okay, the fact that you guys have followed this rabbit trail arguing over mechanics of ovulation and fertilization and implantation makes me sad. The idea that the stress of a rape may, in a few cases, prevent pregnancy is not what Todd Akin was arguing. He was arguing that the stress of rape prevents pregnancy in such an overwhelming majority of cases that pregnancy from rape is a such a negligible concern that pregnant rape victims are not worth worrying about when drafting policy. That is not partially right, or misunderstood, or an exaggeration. That is just wrong, and Gingrey's support is disingenuous.

Todd Akin was not arguing that rain may, in certain cases, put out a house fire; he was arguing that houses basically never catch fire when it's raining.

You are 100% correct. We can all point and laugh at Todd for misrepresenting the facts to support his religious beliefs. There is no harm in admitting that his statement had some factual basis even if they were in the majority incorrect. There is harm in pretending that he or other GOP candidates supports rape.


Even the Democrats support rape as they haven't passed any laws prohibiting consensual rape yet.
 
2013-01-11 03:42:18 PM
Rep. Gingery, do you see that horse racing at breakneck speed down the road?  That's your political career.  And turn around...do you see that big barn door?  The one standing wide open?  The one you just flung open?

Or should I draw you a picture?
 
2013-01-11 03:42:22 PM

BMulligan: Twilight Farkle: "Mourdock basically said 'Look, if there is conception in the aftermath of a rape, that's still a child, and it's a child of God, essentially,"
Gingrey is quoted as saying Thursday.

No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim. What none of the rest of us can figure out is why you think that victim should have to be reminded of the man who raped her every day for the rest of her life, when she looks in her child's face. Did they cover that in OB/GYN school, asshole?


Given that Mourdock, who actually made the comment, studied Geology, not medicine, I'd guess that he probably didn't get any bedside manner training. But wait, you quoted it too, so you must also believe it as well. And since I quoted it too, I must believe it too.

Don't confuse the message and the messenger.
 
2013-01-11 03:42:26 PM

lennavan: mrshowrules: Let me summarize:
1) forcible rape has a lower chance of causing pregnancy
2) if you get pregnant, you probably enjoyed yourself
3) if you enjoyed yourself, it wasn't forcible/legitimate rape
4) if it wasn't legitimate rape, you are a whore and a liar for calling it rape

Is that about it?

That was a summary of Akin's comments, not this guy. This guy is more like:

A) forcible rape causes stress
B) stress reduces ovulation
C) reduced ovulation reduces chances of getting pregnant
D) Akin was partially right, see #1 above in your summary of Akin's argument

As is being discussed elsewhere, this guy is conflating acute with chronic stress.


If she's so acute, she probably asking for it anyways.
 
2013-01-11 03:43:40 PM
There is something to be said about these common rape threads: PEOPLE FARKING LOVE FLAMING ABOUT VAGINAS, RAPE AND POLITICS.
 
2013-01-11 03:44:43 PM

Martian_Astronomer: I'm going to go ahead and spell it out for the couple of people who're popping in here and accusing Farkers of ignoring what the article says:


Using the word "people" a bit loosely, aren't you?
 
2013-01-11 03:45:12 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?

you couldn't have possibly educated yourself on the mechanics of impregnation that quickly.

Can you answer?

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?

ok, since you are apparently not going to educate yourself, allow me.
Did you know that you can get pregnant up to a week after intercourse? Did you know that ovulation after intercourse is enough to become pregnant? If you prevent ovulation in some way - by means of a hugely stressful occurrence, for example - you have reduced the likelihood that that act of intercourse will result in pregnancy?

As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.


Did you know that your 7 days applies to a woman who is already ovulating? That otherwise, without the protective mucous secreted during ovulation, the vaginal canal is relatively hostile to sperm? Did you realize that your second point is contraindicted by the general thrust of your argument? Did you relize that the argument you are defending (even if only partially, and in a pedantic rather than meaning seeking manner) hinges on it's OK to deny an abortion to a rape victim because if it's legitimate rape, the woman's body simply won't get pregnant? The fact is that most ejaculations into the vagina do not culminate in impregnation. Some do and this is based on physical cycles and chance. At the end of the day, the fact is a small number of women who are raped become pregnant. Defending a guy whosays that they shouldn't have access to an abortion because if they didn't really want to be raped they wouldn't be pregnant is wholly repugnant. I understand that you may think you are defending a point of rhetoric, but for the love of god man...
 
2013-01-11 03:45:28 PM
pdee: .

You are 100% correct. We can all point and laugh at Todd for misrepresenting the facts to support his religious beliefs. There is no harm in admitting that his statement had some factual basis even if they were in the majority incorrect. There is harm in pretending that he or other GOP candidates supports rape.


And you just got yourself Farkied as a reasonable individual.
 
2013-01-11 03:45:52 PM

wjmorris3: consensual rape


Look at how stupid you are.

abrannan: Don't confuse the message and the messenger.


Don't confuse merely repeating what someone said with making excuses for what was said. The latter comes perilously close to an endorsement.
 
2013-01-11 03:46:52 PM
I used to eat a lot of Williamson BBQ in Cobb County. About the same time their food went to hell (buns that smell like a moldy kitchen and cold, undercooked BBQ) they developed a Gingrey fetish to the point where their lobby looked like a shrine. I'd rather eat McDonald's.
 
2013-01-11 03:46:55 PM

skullkrusher: which is something an OBGYN shouldn't do with regards to this topic


I honestly don't think he did it intentionally. My PubMed skills might be failing me today but as far as I can tell, there is no literature on acute stress and fertility/ovulation. There's a causative link between chronic stress and ovulation but that's easy to identify -- Women who are stressed don't get their monthly visit from Aunt Flo.

And he might be right. I don't see any data on it and I have no idea how you would possibly get any data on it. I know that CNN article above had an MD saying acute stress plays no role but I don't see anything on PubMed yet to support that.
 
2013-01-11 03:47:31 PM

BMulligan: Twilight Farkle: "Mourdock basically said 'Look, if there is conception in the aftermath of a rape, that's still a child, and it's a child of God, essentially,"
Gingrey is quoted as saying Thursday.

No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim. What none of the rest of us can figure out is why you think that victim should have to be reminded of the man who raped her every day for the rest of her life, when she looks in her child's face. Did they cover that in OB/GYN school, asshole?


While I support a women's right to choose remember you are arguing the point with people who believe abortion is murder.

They believe adoption is better than abortion. So no looking at rapist Jr.
They believe rapist J. is innocent child who did nothing to deserve death.
 
2013-01-11 03:47:58 PM

abrannan: And you just got yourself Farkied as a reasonable individual.


garrettmyler.files.wordpress.com

Get a room.
 
2013-01-11 03:48:34 PM

Mike_1962: I understand that you may think you are defending a point of rhetoric, but for the love of god man...


You're right. We should never try to understand nuanced arguments. Because somebody says something that we disagree with, we must vehemently and vociferously denounce every last word they've said. After all, look where that sort of tactic got the GOP.
 
2013-01-11 03:48:56 PM

BMulligan: wjmorris3: consensual rape

Look at how stupid you are.

abrannan: Don't confuse the message and the messenger.

Don't confuse merely repeating what someone said with making excuses for what was said. The latter comes perilously close to an endorsement.


It is misogynist to consider any sexual act committed by a man against a woman anything other than rape.
 
2013-01-11 03:49:55 PM

Mike_1962: Did you relize that the argument you are defending (even if only partially, and in a pedantic rather than meaning seeking manner) hinges on it's OK to deny an abortion


The argument you are referring to does not hinge on its OK to deny an abortion. That is the conclusion being drawn from their argument. Their argument hinges on whether one potential accurate way to determine if a woman was actually raped or not is whether or not she gets pregnant.
 
2013-01-11 03:51:23 PM

Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?

you couldn't have possibly educated yourself on the mechanics of impregnation that quickly.

Can you answer?

So how does this have ANY bearing on someone being raped less likely to get pregnant?

ok, since you are apparently not going to educate yourself, allow me.
Did you know that you can get pregnant up to a week after intercourse? Did you know that ovulation after intercourse is enough to become pregnant? If you prevent ovulation in some way - by means of a hugely stressful occurrence, for example - you have reduced the likelihood that that act of intercourse will result in pregnancy?

As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

Put another way - a completely stress free woman has intercourse at some random time during her cycle. That exact same woman undergoes some extremely stressful event right before having intercourse at some other random time during her cycle. All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.

Did you know that your 7 days applies to a woman who is already ovulating? That otherwise, without the protective mucous secreted during ovulation, the vaginal canal is relatively hostile to sperm? Did you realize that your second point is contraindicted by the general thrust of your argument? Did you relize that the argument you are defending (even if only partially, and in a pedantic rather than meaning seeking manner) hinges on it's OK to deny an abortion to a rape victi ...


this is one of those threads you should read from newest posts to old.
 
2013-01-11 03:52:06 PM

pdee: While I support a women's right to choose remember you are arguing the point with people who believe abortion is murder.


So, because they're loons, I'm supposed to avoid calling them loony?
 
2013-01-11 03:53:05 PM

wjmorris3: BMulligan: wjmorris3: consensual rape

Look at how stupid you are.

abrannan: Don't confuse the message and the messenger.

Don't confuse merely repeating what someone said with making excuses for what was said. The latter comes perilously close to an endorsement.

It is misogynist to consider any sexual act committed by a man against a woman anything other than rape.


Good thing you won't need to worry about that, then.
 
2013-01-11 03:53:14 PM

lennavan: skullkrusher: which is something an OBGYN shouldn't do with regards to this topic

I honestly don't think he did it intentionally. My PubMed skills might be failing me today but as far as I can tell, there is no literature on acute stress and fertility/ovulation. There's a causative link between chronic stress and ovulation but that's easy to identify -- Women who are stressed don't get their monthly visit from Aunt Flo.

And he might be right. I don't see any data on it and I have no idea how you would possibly get any data on it. I know that CNN article above had an MD saying acute stress plays no role but I don't see anything on PubMed yet to support that.


well I suppose that is what Gingrey's claim hinges on
 
2013-01-11 03:54:04 PM

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim. What none of the rest of us can figure out is why you think that victim should have to be reminded of the man who raped her every day for the rest of her life, when she looks in her child's face. Did they cover that in OB/GYN school, asshole?


Another great example of I agree with your conclusion but not your reason. Why the fark would who the father is matter? You're arguing as if the child would have different rights if his father was a nice guy. How the fark is that the child's fault?

If your big problem is the mother looking the baby in the eye every day, she can always adopt it out.

I'm not telling you to change your conclusion, I'm telling you your reasoning needs work.
 
2013-01-11 03:54:25 PM

pdee: Miss Nova: Dear Repubs:

You know how you keep arguing again and again for special circumstances in which rape is okay? That tells me you want to rape. A lot. It tells me that you can't stop thinking about rape.

You are some sad, sick farks.

No one ever said rape is ok.

I know that demagoguing works and that's why BOTH sides keep doing it. But we really should look at its consequences. What Akin said is stupid enough to be refuted with facts. The lesson we are sending to our politicians is never engage in facts. Keep statements in the 'i love mom and apple pie' meaningless BS or just make promises you know you will never keep 'I will cut the deficit in half in 4 years'. If a politician says anything factual he gets killed.


Well, if one uses the same kind of logic you use in your arguments to defend these asshats...well, hey, you should have said rape twice...so we know you really, really like rape.
 
2013-01-11 03:54:32 PM
BMulligan: The latter comes perilously close to an endorsement.

And yet, it's still not an endorsement. Just as I, in trying to explain the (somewhat twisted) logic that Akin and Gingrey present am not in any way endorsing what they've said. I don't even think he was making excuses for Akin, he was saying, basically, that Akin and Mourdock were lousy at making their arguments, and as a result the GOP lost two house seats. Now he came close to making the same mistake, seeing how this is playing in the media, but he's not in the middle of campaigning for re-election, so this is likely to be a minor issue that will pop up when he does run.
 
2013-01-11 03:56:41 PM

skullkrusher: well I suppose that is what Gingrey's claim hinges on


The point here is that his claim is irrelevant. The fact remains that Gingrey was willing to step in and attempt to rationalize Mourdock's idiocy, which makes Gingrey an idiot once removed.

Look, suppose Mourdock's claim was factually correct, that women who are "legitimately" raped don't get pregnant. So what? What change in policy or law should follow? Because if someone doesn't have a good answer to that question, maybe they should just avoid the whole subject.
 
2013-01-11 03:56:56 PM

deanis: There is something to be said about these common rape threads: PEOPLE FARKING LOVE FLAMING ABOUT VAGINAS, RAPE AND POLITICS.


This is the Politics thread.  The greatest global issue in politics today is traditionalism versus modernity.   I can't think of a bigger issue in global politics.  Theocracy versus secularism and socialism versus capitalism is even less fundamental today and is more derivative than anything else.

The fight against modernity is the root cause of most of the shiat happening in the world.  The single biggest piece of modernity is women's equality.  The cornerstone of women's equality is control of their reproductive rights.

I suggest control of women's reproductive rights is the most important political issue in the world today.

/i'm a dude
 
2013-01-11 03:58:31 PM

lennavan: You're arguing as if the child would have different rights if his father was a nice guy. How the fark is that the child's fault?


We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.
 
2013-01-11 03:58:54 PM

pdee: We can all point and laugh at Todd for misrepresenting the facts to support his religious beliefs. There is no harm in admitting that his statement had some factual basis even if they were in the majority incorrect. There is harm in pretending that he or other GOP candidates supports rape.


Be honest. In this case, misrepresenting the facts to support his religious believes = implying that conception due to rape is an insignificant problem.
 
2013-01-11 03:58:57 PM

skullkrusher: lennavan: skullkrusher: which is something an OBGYN shouldn't do with regards to this topic

I honestly don't think he did it intentionally. My PubMed skills might be failing me today but as far as I can tell, there is no literature on acute stress and fertility/ovulation. There's a causative link between chronic stress and ovulation but that's easy to identify -- Women who are stressed don't get their monthly visit from Aunt Flo.

And he might be right. I don't see any data on it and I have no idea how you would possibly get any data on it. I know that CNN article above had an MD saying acute stress plays no role but I don't see anything on PubMed yet to support that.

well I suppose that is what Gingrey's claim hinges on


Right. So I would amend his statement from "Akin is partially right" to "Akin might be partially right." A different argument Akin could have taken on but didn't was from that CNN article, rapists ejaculate less often (presumably because rape is about power not sex?). Either way, Pincy asked the best question of the thread (IMO).

Pincy: Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.


What do we have to do to get a reporter to ask this to the next jackass who continues this line of argumentation?
 
2013-01-11 04:00:45 PM

abrannan: BMulligan: The latter comes perilously close to an endorsement.

And yet, it's still not an endorsement. Just as I, in trying to explain the (somewhat twisted) logic that Akin and Gingrey present am not in any way endorsing what they've said. I don't even think he was making excuses for Akin, he was saying, basically, that Akin and Mourdock were lousy at making their arguments, and as a result the GOP lost two house seats. Now he came close to making the same mistake, seeing how this is playing in the media, but he's not in the middle of campaigning for re-election, so this is likely to be a minor issue that will pop up when he does run.


I'm not talking about you; I'm talking about Gingrey. I understood you to say that Gingrey should not be held accountable for Mourdock's comments, and I'm saying that Gingrey implicitly endorsed Mourdock's comments by attempting to rationalize them.
 
2013-01-11 04:01:37 PM

BMulligan: skullkrusher: well I suppose that is what Gingrey's claim hinges on

The point here is that his claim is irrelevant. The fact remains that Gingrey was willing to step in and attempt to rationalize Mourdock's idiocy, which makes Gingrey an idiot once removed.

Look, suppose Mourdock's claim was factually correct, that women who are "legitimately" raped don't get pregnant. So what? What change in policy or law should follow? Because if someone doesn't have a good answer to that question, maybe they should just avoid the whole subject.


if the point of the thread was whether Gingrey is an idiot, you'd be right. Whether he is 100% indisputably correct, it takes a pretty dumb politician to dredge this whole thing up again.
 
2013-01-11 04:01:54 PM

someonelse: pdee: We can all point and laugh at Todd for misrepresenting the facts to support his religious beliefs. There is no harm in admitting that his statement had some factual basis even if they were in the majority incorrect. There is harm in pretending that he or other GOP candidates supports rape.

Be honest. In this case, misrepresenting the facts to support his religious believes = implying that conception due to rape is an insignificant problem.


I don't see that happening.
 
2013-01-11 04:02:52 PM

lennavan: Pincy: Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.

What do we have to do to get a reporter to ask this to the next jackass who continues this line of argumentation?


dunno. I suppose it was to downplay the necessity of rape exemptions but it indisputably does happen so you still need the exemption even if you are considering a ban
 
2013-01-11 04:03:09 PM

BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus


You called it a child, not me. I agree fetus is the better word but don't come attacking me for using the wrong word, I let it go in an attempt to move the discussion forward. See:

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim.


BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.


Also, I have a few questions for you.

1) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its gender?
2) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its hair will be brown?
3) Should it be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus not born yet?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you join a huge majority of the country in also believing rights apply to the fetus. If not, seriously, what the fark is wrong with you?
 
2013-01-11 04:03:39 PM

lennavan: Pincy: Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.

What do we have to do to get a reporter to ask this to the next jackass who continues this line of argumentation?


It's simple. In their mind, they want a no exceptions clause added to any anti-abortion bill. In order to do so, they have to legitimize the concept that there is no need for a rape exception, just as they've gone after the health of the mother exceptions and incest exceptions. They have to continually prove that they are More Conservative than Thou so that they can trumpet that to their evangelical constituents. They are the embryo equivalent to gun nuts, where the only acceptable answer is "more embryos".
 
2013-01-11 04:05:49 PM

BMulligan: I'm not talking about you; I'm talking about Gingrey. I understood you to say that Gingrey should not be held accountable for Mourdock's comments, and I'm saying that Gingrey implicitly endorsed Mourdock's comments by attempting to rationalize them.


I know. And I'm saying he didn't. Hence the 'Just as I' part of my comment.
 
2013-01-11 04:09:46 PM

skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?

partially right implies partially wrong.

You didn't say "Partially wrong" you said "wrong" JUST LIKE I DID!!!

yes, that was how he's wrong. What Akin said isn't applicable in all cases of rape, in part because if the woman has already ovulated the "horse is out of the barn" as Gingrey said.

So why is it when I said he is wrong, you freak out and say I am wrong but it's ok for you to now say he was wrong?

yes, he was partially wrong. He was also partially right as stress can prevent ovulation. Ovulation occurring after sex can still result in pregnancy.
I haven't freaked out at all. Who's the one posting 3 responses to each post and relying on caps?


In extremely rare circumstances it is possible that the stress from a rape may inhibit the release of an egg at that particular timeframe. You have made an argument that an event that would be so rare as to be generally dismissed as a freak incident makes Akin partially correct. Well, in a semantic sense and as a remote possibility you win. (Incidently it is also possible for an embryo to be anally inserted into a male's abdomen and come to term). You have pretty much defined being disengenuous for the sake of deflecting opinion away from a major farkup. So, put a notch on your mouse, and hope that this real world issue doesn't happen to your family or friends.
 
2013-01-11 04:28:45 PM

abrannan: It's simple. In their mind, they want a no exceptions clause added to any anti-abortion bill.


skullkrusher: dunno. I suppose it was to downplay the necessity of rape exemptions


Yeah I know. I guess I'd just like to hear them say it since it's such a losing argument.
 
2013-01-11 04:34:51 PM

Mike_1962: In extremely rare circumstances it is possible that the stress from a rape may inhibit the release of an egg at that particular timeframe. You have made an argument that an event that would be so rare as to be generally dismissed as a freak incident makes Akin partially correct. Well, in a semantic sense and as a remote possibility you win.


Hey, being 0.001% correct will bring his average up!
 
2013-01-11 04:36:06 PM

Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: As the doctor said, if the woman has already ovulated, it has no bearing on the situation. That's why Akin was wrong.

So he is WRONG now? Funny I thought you and Gingrey were saying he was "partially correct". Which is it?

partially right implies partially wrong.

You didn't say "Partially wrong" you said "wrong" JUST LIKE I DID!!!

yes, that was how he's wrong. What Akin said isn't applicable in all cases of rape, in part because if the woman has already ovulated the "horse is out of the barn" as Gingrey said.

So why is it when I said he is wrong, you freak out and say I am wrong but it's ok for you to now say he was wrong?

yes, he was partially wrong. He was also partially right as stress can prevent ovulation. Ovulation occurring after sex can still result in pregnancy.
I haven't freaked out at all. Who's the one posting 3 responses to each post and relying on caps?

In extremely rare circumstances it is possible that the stress from a rape may inhibit the release of an egg at that particular timeframe. You have made an argument that an event that would be so rare as to be generally dismissed as a freak incident makes Akin partially correct. Well, in a semantic sense and as a remote possibility you win. (Incidently it is also possible for an embryo to be anally inserted into a male's abdomen and come to term). You have pretty much defined being disengenuous for the sake of deflecting opinion away from a major farkup. So, put a notch on your mouse, and hope that this real world issue doesn't happen to your family or friends.


at this point I have no idea what you're arguing since you are still in the early bits of the discussion and haven't caught up so great.
I am not being disingenuous here nor am I deflecting from anything. In fact, eventually you'll get to the part of the thread where I (re)learned that ongoing stress can inhibit ovulation but not acute stress. Lenn has been unable to find support for this assertion but that's neither here nor there. In light of this presumed truth, I have declared the doctor wrong. I still think you're being right for the wrong reasons and repetitively so
 
2013-01-11 04:36:12 PM

lennavan: BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus

You called it a child, not me. I agree fetus is the better word but don't come attacking me for using the wrong word, I let it go in an attempt to move the discussion forward. See:

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim.

BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.

Also, I have a few questions for you.

1) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its gender?
2) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its hair will be brown?
3) Should it be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus not born yet?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you join a huge majority of the country in also believing rights apply to the fetus. If not, seriously, what the fark is wrong with you?


It should be legal for a woman to have an abortion in all cases up to a point in the pregnancy that makes sense scientifically (no I don't feel like debating this particular point tonight) and we don't get to ask her why. And for the record there is very little wrong with me these days.

Cheers
 
2013-01-11 04:42:12 PM

skullkrusher: I (re)learned that ongoing stress can inhibit ovulation but not acute stress. Lenn has been unable to find support for this assertion but that's neither here nor there.


Well, I found support and indeed a causative link between ongoing (chronic) stress and ovulation. Here's a review http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165037804000361

I haven't seen any data whatsoever on acute stress and ovulation, nor did I expect to. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I just have no idea how you would (morally) look into stress on the level of rape and its effect on biology. "Hey, sorry you just got raped but funny enough we're studying the immediate biological response of rape victims... mind if we run some unnecessary tests on you for science's sake? Then could you come in for a few follow-ups over the next few days? Sweet thanks."
 
2013-01-11 04:44:11 PM

Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus

You called it a child, not me. I agree fetus is the better word but don't come attacking me for using the wrong word, I let it go in an attempt to move the discussion forward. See:

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim.

BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.

Also, I have a few questions for you.

1) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its gender?
2) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its hair will be brown?
3) Should it be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus not born yet?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you join a huge majority of the country in also believing rights apply to the fetus. If not, seriously, what the fark is wrong with you?

It should be legal for a woman to have an abortion in all cases up to a point in the pregnancy that makes sense scientifically (no I don't feel like debating this particular point tonight) and we don't get to ask her why. And for the record there is very little wrong with me these days.

Cheers



You could have just said you agree with me that rights can apply to fetuses.
 
2013-01-11 04:46:30 PM

lennavan: skullkrusher: I (re)learned that ongoing stress can inhibit ovulation but not acute stress. Lenn has been unable to find support for this assertion but that's neither here nor there.

Well, I found support and indeed a causative link between ongoing (chronic) stress and ovulation. Here's a review http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165037804000361

I haven't seen any data whatsoever on acute stress and ovulation, nor did I expect to. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I just have no idea how you would (morally) look into stress on the level of rape and its effect on biology. "Hey, sorry you just got raped but funny enough we're studying the immediate biological response of rape victims... mind if we run some unnecessary tests on you for science's sake? Then could you come in for a few follow-ups over the next few days? Sweet thanks."


With how many rapes there are in this country, there should be no problem finding willing women.
 
2013-01-11 04:50:40 PM
This wouldn't be an issue if uteri were allowed to protect themselves with concealed guns.
 
2013-01-11 04:51:03 PM

lennavan: abrannan: It's simple. In their mind, they want a no exceptions clause added to any anti-abortion bill.

skullkrusher: dunno. I suppose it was to downplay the necessity of rape exemptions

Yeah I know. I guess I'd just like to hear them say it since it's such a losing argument.


There shouldn't be any rape exemptions. If a man commits a sexual act in regards to a woman, it's rape, pure and simple.
 
2013-01-11 04:53:45 PM

lennavan: skullkrusher: I (re)learned that ongoing stress can inhibit ovulation but not acute stress. Lenn has been unable to find support for this assertion but that's neither here nor there.

Well, I found support and indeed a causative link between ongoing (chronic) stress and ovulation. Here's a review http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165037804000361

I haven't seen any data whatsoever on acute stress and ovulation, nor did I expect to. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I just have no idea how you would (morally) look into stress on the level of rape and its effect on biology. "Hey, sorry you just got raped but funny enough we're studying the immediate biological response of rape victims... mind if we run some unnecessary tests on you for science's sake? Then could you come in for a few follow-ups over the next few days? Sweet thanks."


couldn't they just interview female drivers?
 
2013-01-11 04:55:41 PM
I'd love to see the article and journal this supposed physician is getting his information from. He should have his license revoked for making stuff up. You aren't entitled to your own facts in medicine.
 
2013-01-11 05:02:29 PM

Twilight Farkle: From TFA:

"Mourdock basically said 'Look, if there is conception in the aftermath of a rape, that's still a child, and it's a child of God, essentially,"
Gingrey is quoted as saying Thursday.

In other words, Gingrey's saying Mourdock's God rapes children? I'm glad we got that settled.

/and a very Mary farkin' Christmas to both of these 'tards.



I see what you did there.
 
2013-01-11 05:07:02 PM

lennavan: Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus

You called it a child, not me. I agree fetus is the better word but don't come attacking me for using the wrong word, I let it go in an attempt to move the discussion forward. See:

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim.

BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.

Also, I have a few questions for you.

1) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its gender?
2) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its hair will be brown?
3) Should it be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus not born yet?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you join a huge majority of the country in also believing rights apply to the fetus. If not, seriously, what the fark is wrong with you?

It should be legal for a woman to have an abortion in all cases up to a point in the pregnancy that makes sense scientifically (no I don't feel like debating this particular point tonight) and we don't get to ask her why. And for the record there is very little wrong with me these days.

Cheers

You could have just said you agree with me that rights can apply to fetuses.


No, I do not agree that fetuses (fetii?) have rights. I do believe that it makes sense at some point to recognise a fetus' transition to baby. I believe babies have rights.

That moment might be birth, viability outside the womb, whatever. I don't feel like debating this specific point, though I'm confident it will come up eventually.

Cheers.
 
2013-01-11 05:08:50 PM
 
2013-01-11 05:13:08 PM
O sane world, did you think you'd escape-
By perhaps shutting your eyes and eating a crepe-
The rancid spray of Republican spittle,
About an issue they know so little,
Can ya guess what it is? Yep, it's once again RAPE.
 
2013-01-11 05:13:21 PM

Brian_of_Nazareth: No, I do not agree that fetuses (fetii?) have rights.


Yes you do. All you need is a quick refresher in WORDS HAVE MEANING.

A fetus (pronounced /ˈfiːtəs/; also spelled foetus, fœtus, faetus, or fætus, see below) is a developing mammal or other viviparous vertebrate after the embryonic stage and before birth.

Fetus refers to after the embryonic stage up until birth. That is what the word means. If you are ~11 weeks gestation or older but not born yet, you are called a fetus.

Brian_of_Nazareth: I do believe that it makes sense at some point to recognise a fetus' transition to baby. I believe babies have rights.


This is just babbling. Get over the words dude.

Brian_of_Nazareth: That moment might be birth, viability outside the womb


Yes, that moment might possibly be when what you call a "baby" is viable outside the womb. That would be a 26 week old fetus. Yes, fetus. You think a 26 week old viable fetus might possibly have rights. Does it or doesn't it? You don't want to discuss. I don't mind, we can stay there. A 26 week old fetus might possibly have rights. Or as I phrased it:

Lennavan: rights can apply to fetuses


Rights can apply to fetuses. Such as viable 26 week old fetuses.

Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.
 
2013-01-11 05:16:00 PM
I find it hard to believe that anyone would come back to the whole "legitimate rape" thing, and that anyone would react to that with anything stronger than simply ignoring it.  Yet here are the Fark independents, splitting hairs over Akin being "partially right."

Yes, American women are extending their love affair with the GOP as we speak.  Your future is bright!
 
2013-01-11 05:18:00 PM

lennavan: Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.


he wasn't the least bit dickish to you yet you had to go all lennavan... oh wait, nevermind
 
2013-01-11 05:21:18 PM

Kibbler: I find it hard to believe that anyone would come back to the whole "legitimate rape" thing, and that anyone would react to that with anything stronger than simply ignoring it.  Yet here are the Fark independents, splitting hairs over Akin being "partially right."

Yes, American women are extending their love affair with the GOP as we speak.  Your future is bright!


you're right - people should ignore what they believe to be false even if that falsehood is used against a person or idea they disagree with. This is what honest people do. Tolerating all arguments against someone or something, despite their perceived lack of veracity, is the only way to show prove you oppose that someone or something
 
2013-01-11 05:21:45 PM

skullkrusher: lennavan: Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.

he wasn't the least bit dickish to you yet you had to go all lennavan... oh wait, nevermind


He wasn't dickish, he was stupid. You did notice my Weeners to him wasn't "all lennavan" right? I gave him a shot. At this point he's just hung up on the words. He's okay with banning abortion in the 39th week but does not believe that means fetuses have rights because he would call it a baby at that point.
 
2013-01-11 05:24:18 PM

lennavan: skullkrusher: lennavan: Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.

he wasn't the least bit dickish to you yet you had to go all lennavan... oh wait, nevermind

He wasn't dickish, he was stupid. You did notice my Weeners to him wasn't "all lennavan" right? I gave him a shot. At this point he's just hung up on the words. He's okay with banning abortion in the 39th week but does not believe that means fetuses have rights because he would call it a baby at that point.


yeah, it was dumb. There's a difference between being dumb and being a dumb dick.
 
2013-01-11 05:24:55 PM
Stress is going to be my new method of birth control!
 
2013-01-11 05:27:05 PM

skullkrusher: lennavan: skullkrusher: lennavan: Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.

he wasn't the least bit dickish to you yet you had to go all lennavan... oh wait, nevermind

He wasn't dickish, he was stupid. You did notice my Weeners to him wasn't "all lennavan" right? I gave him a shot. At this point he's just hung up on the words. He's okay with banning abortion in the 39th week but does not believe that means fetuses have rights because he would call it a baby at that point.

yeah, it was dumb. There's a difference between being dumb and being a dumb dick.


Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?
 
2013-01-11 05:29:21 PM

pdee: Satan's Bunny Slippers: pdee:
According to the police a women should not 'clean up' after a rape until she has gone to the hospital where samples can be taken to help prosecute the rapist.

Stop being so farking willfully obtuse. You know damn good and well that you and skull are here arguing a woman can get pregnant by ovulating DAYS after RAPE and conceiving. This would be far beyond when a police investigation would have been started and a rape kit obtained/treatment given.

Are you really this 'tarded, or do you just like to argue in circles until you get dizzy and fall down to look at all the pretty unicorns?

You people are really trying hard to ignore the facts.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

The time window for pregnancy is 4 to 5 days. Most of that is after ovulation. If the stress of a rape prevents ovulation the the windows is down to 24 to 48 hours.


OK. You win. After rape, a woman can become pregnant. So, a woman how has been raped and has become pregnant as a result must carry to term?
 
2013-01-11 05:29:37 PM

lennavan: BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus

You called it a child, not me. I agree fetus is the better word but don't come attacking me for using the wrong word, I let it go in an attempt to move the discussion forward. See:

BMulligan: No, it's not a "child of God," you ninny, it's the child of a vicious criminal and his victim.

BMulligan: We're not talking about a child. We're talking about a fetus, to which concepts such as "rights" and "fault" do not apply.

Also, I have a few questions for you.

1) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its gender?
2) Should it be legal to abort a child for the sole reason of its hair will be brown?
3) Should it be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus not born yet?

If you answer no to any of these questions, then you join a huge majority of the country in also believing rights apply to the fetus. If not, seriously, what the fark is wrong with you?


You seem to be unclear about how the passage of time works. You see, a woman might be pregnant now, and consider terminating that pregnancy. Now the product of the rape is a fetus, which is not a child. If she doesn't terminate the pregnancy, however, she will give birth to a child later. See how that happened? In our hypothetical, something occurred now and resulted in a consequence later - a consequence like having to see her rapist's face every day and somehow try to love it. Which is why I said that a woman might well choose to abort the fetus (which the ninny disingenuously called a child) now rather than endure that pain later.

And for the record, I very much err on the side of legally restricting abortion as little as possible, generally believing that the majority of women and physicians can be trusted to make reasonable decisions in the vast majority of cases. While I recognize that society demands some restrictions on very late term abortions, I want to make sure that doctors are still free to exercise professional judgment in determining what is in their patients' best interest.
 
2013-01-11 05:29:43 PM

lennavan: skullkrusher: lennavan: skullkrusher: lennavan: Your entire disagreement with me is because you were unaware of the definition of the word fetus. Upon being explained the definition, I know you feel some discomfort. I know you don't like it. But there it is.

he wasn't the least bit dickish to you yet you had to go all lennavan... oh wait, nevermind

He wasn't dickish, he was stupid. You did notice my Weeners to him wasn't "all lennavan" right? I gave him a shot. At this point he's just hung up on the words. He's okay with banning abortion in the 39th week but does not believe that means fetuses have rights because he would call it a baby at that point.

yeah, it was dumb. There's a difference between being dumb and being a dumb dick.

Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?


unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM
 
2013-01-11 05:31:03 PM

BinderWoman: Stress is going to be my new method of birth control!



That seems like a lot of work.  Most farkers just use our personalities.
 
2013-01-11 05:32:02 PM

skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM


Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.
 
2013-01-11 05:35:05 PM
This whole debate is frustratingly stupid because who cares. Seriously.

People only like to talk about abortion because most Americans can't get their heads around anything more complicated. When someone on Fark wants to have a debate about whether muni bondholders should still enjoy protection from federal taxes or whether expanding LNG export permits or the H1B Visa program would provide a net benefit to the US, let me know.
 
2013-01-11 05:38:12 PM

BMulligan: Which is why I said that a woman might well choose to abort the fetus (which the ninny disingenuously called a child) now rather than endure that pain later.


You should have pointed that out to him, not me. I just used the terms you guys had already used.

BMulligan: While I recognize that society demands some restrictions on very late term abortions


Also known as the fetus has rights.

BMulligan: I very much err on the side of legally restricting abortion as little as possible


But you are okay with some restriction. This means you believe at some point the fetus has rights, at some point the fetus is an individual, you are okay with the government getting between a woman and her doctor and you are okay with regulating a woman's uterus. These are all really stupid phrases accusatory phrases pro-choicers throw around that secretly, we all actually agree to.

BMulligan: Which is why I said that a woman might well choose to abort the fetus (which the ninny disingenuously called a child) now rather than endure that pain later.


I have no idea why you are posting this to me. I think you have the wrong person.
 
2013-01-11 05:39:35 PM

FloydA: BinderWoman: Stress is going to be my new method of birth control!


That seems like a lot of work.  Most farkers just use our personalities.


Shouldn't be too difficult. I'll just read the Fark politics tab.
 
2013-01-11 05:43:55 PM

lennavan: skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM

Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.


Accepted. There are reasons I avoid this topic other than to lurk.

Cheers.

//And skullkrusher, I think I have to update how you're farkied
 
2013-01-11 05:46:06 PM

Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM

Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.

Accepted. There are reasons I avoid this topic other than to lurk.

Cheers.

//And skullkrusher, I think I have to update how you're farkied


Your old one was probably more accurate.
 
2013-01-11 05:56:02 PM

pdee: Im pretty sure there have been no double blind studies involving raping women to determine rates on impregnation.


Double blind? No.

pdee: We only know that stress both physical and mental decrease rates of impregnation.


Only know? "What you mean 'we', white man?"

You can check the empirical research links that Kome dredged up around when Akin first sounded off.

skullkrusher: All things considered, she is more likely to become pregnant in the first scenario than the second.


Theoretically sound. However, the difference between theory and practice is that in theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there often happens to be one.
 
2013-01-11 05:59:36 PM
I would like to know of a concrete case of illegitimate rape.
 
2013-01-11 06:12:04 PM

lennavan: BMulligan: Which is why I said that a woman might well choose to abort the fetus (which the ninny disingenuously called a child) now rather than endure that pain later.

You should have pointed that out to him, not me. I just used the terms you guys had already used.

BMulligan: While I recognize that society demands some restrictions on very late term abortions

Also known as the fetus has rights.

BMulligan: I very much err on the side of legally restricting abortion as little as possible

But you are okay with some restriction. This means you believe at some point the fetus has rights, at some point the fetus is an individual, you are okay with the government getting between a woman and her doctor and you are okay with regulating a woman's uterus. These are all really stupid phrases accusatory phrases pro-choicers throw around that secretly, we all actually agree to.

BMulligan: Which is why I said that a woman might well choose to abort the fetus (which the ninny disingenuously called a child) now rather than endure that pain later.

I have no idea why you are posting this to me. I think you have the wrong person.


Because I was responding to your idiotic post, in which you thought you had scored some sort of wicked burn because you imagined some inconsistency in my use of the words "child" and "fetus."

And you should not assume that I am okay with the present restrictions on abortion. I am not. I would prefer that the matter be left entirely to the woman and her doctor. That is not the political reality at the moment, however.
 
2013-01-11 06:12:12 PM

lennavan: Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM

Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.

Accepted. There are reasons I avoid this topic other than to lurk.

Cheers.

//And skullkrusher, I think I have to update how you're farkied

Your old one was probably more accurate.


Only if it referred to my improbably large penis. Penis is what I call my ego. And my penis

/penis
 
2013-01-11 06:14:22 PM
FTFA:In it, Gingrey claims the quotes are being unfairly used by his political enemies.

Stop quoting the words I use.
 
2013-01-11 06:14:54 PM

skullkrusher: lennavan: Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM

Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.

Accepted. There are reasons I avoid this topic other than to lurk.

Cheers.

//And skullkrusher, I think I have to update how you're farkied

Your old one was probably more accurate.

Only if it referred to my improbably large penis. Penis is what I call my ego. And my penis

/penis


I was wrong, no need to change it.

Cheers.
 
2013-01-11 06:16:55 PM

Brian_of_Nazareth: skullkrusher: lennavan: Brian_of_Nazareth: lennavan: skullkrusher: Are you saying I shouldn't be a dick to people who are simply dumb?

unprovoked, no. The moment snark is detected, dick away. Of course, if someone has a history of being a dick then you don't have to wait. Though I don't think B of N has such a history.

skullkrusher rulesTM

Fair enough.

My apologies to Brian of Nazareth, I shoulda given more leeway.

Accepted. There are reasons I avoid this topic other than to lurk.

Cheers.

//And skullkrusher, I think I have to update how you're farkied

Your old one was probably more accurate.

Only if it referred to my improbably large penis. Penis is what I call my ego. And my penis

/penis

I was wrong, no need to change it.

Cheers.


Ha!
 
2013-01-11 06:32:52 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: burndtdan: In an attempt to absolutely deny that there can be any nuance on the issue of abortion, these politicians are instead forced to insist there is nuance on the issue of rape.

UnrepentantApostate: And it all ignores that the likelihood of conceiving from rape has absolutely no bearing on a raped woman's right to an abortion.

Yep and yep.


Yeah, that kind of got lost. FWIW, I'm sorry.
 
2013-01-11 06:37:06 PM

pdee: Pincy: Christ, what is wrong with some of you people. Are you trying to tell us that women never get pregnant from rape?

Please, explain to us one more time why it is important to have everyone understand that a woman might be less likely to get pregnant from a rapist than she would from a consensual partner.

This starts each time when a pro-life politician is ask about rape babies. Akin wanted to pretend that women almost never get pregnant from rape so we dont need to consider the possibility.

The press know most people support a rape victim being able to abort the child of the rapist. Religious fundies see abortion as murder and expect their candidates to be against all abortions. So asking a right wing politician about rape babies is a guaranteed gotcha.


Ooh, you're so close to rationality.
 
2013-01-11 06:38:28 PM

Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.


FTFY
 
2013-01-11 06:48:54 PM

pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.


So you are arguing that rape can result in pregancy. Do you also maintain that a woman pregnant as a result of rape should be be forced by law to carry the rapist's child to term? That should be an up or down answer BTW.
 
2013-01-11 06:54:53 PM

wjmorris3: The OB/GYN is dead wrong, as almost 100% of pregnancies in this country stem from rape.


And all homosexual liasons are with right wing fundementalists in public washrooms.
 
2013-01-11 07:00:08 PM

skullkrusher: pdee: Mike_1962: skullkrusher: Corvus: skullkrusher: Corvus: Wow he is stupid.

Phil Gingrey "He is partially right. " Then gives explanation that Akin's is totally wrong.

Wow that's some white knighting.

that's not what happened.

Ok quote where he said there are effects from being rape that make it make it much harder for a woman to get pregnant. Quote what he said that supports that.

"We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate."

educate yourself on the mechanics of impregnation and it'll make sense.

Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected? Based on the very public statements of some Republican lawmakers it would seem that at least some of your higher echelon political leaders believe something like that. And you are telling others to educate themselves? In order to put a better face on the consequences, both physical and mental of rape? I realize that this is likely a manifestation of "being a team player", but in this instance, it is not only transparent, but morally repugnant.

The egg is USUALLY released AFTER the sperm is present.

Your fertile period starts about 4-5 days before ovulation, and ends about 24-48 hours after it. This is because sperm can live in your body for approximately 4 to 5 days, and the egg can live for 24 to 48 hours after being released. You are most fertile on the day before and the day of ovulation. Knowing your fertile days can help you increase your chances of getting pregnant, or avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Read Ovulation and Pregnancy and Ovulation and Contraception for more information.

BUT, the research shows that acute instances of stress does not have the impact that ongoing stress does on ovulation so the doctor was wrong.


Yeah. Trolling about this...sorry, sometimes I've seen.you make points that I didn't agree with, but caused me to think. Trolling this?
 
2013-01-11 07:00:56 PM

Mike_1962: wjmorris3: The OB/GYN is dead wrong, as almost 100% of pregnancies in this country stem from rape.

And all homosexual liasons are with right wing fundementalists in public washrooms.


I never said that about washrooms. The problem is that we as a country are desensitized against rape. We accept sex where the woman consents as not rape when the opposite is actually true.
 
2013-01-11 07:06:40 PM

lennavan: Mike_1962: Incorrect and intellectually dishonest. Stress may have some effect on OVULATION. Not impregnation. The victim is already either ovulating, or not at the time of the brutalization. You two are either trolling, or are a couple of the most disgusting creatures I have ever encountered.

Look Mike, here's the thing. I agree with your conclusion. But your reasons are just really terrible. I mean really terrible. Here you fail to grasp the connection between ovulation and impregnation? You don't know how ovulation might be relevant to getting pregnant?

Mike_1962: Um, you might want to follow your own advice rather than continue making statements like that. Or do you really believe that an egg is released when the presence of sperm is detected?

Corvus writes something that demonstrates he was unaware chronic stress reduces ovulation, which reduces your chances of getting pregnant. Skullkrusher mocks him for that. And your response is to pretend skullkrusher thinks eggs are released when sperm comes around? Where the fark did you pull that one from?

Dude, I agree with your conclusion. But I'm a biologist. You're seriously raping my field. Actual, legitimate rape. Stop it already.


Yeah, sorry. Got caught up in the stupid, and cause and effect went all to hell. Well, that and beer.
 
2013-01-11 07:18:36 PM

wjmorris3: We accept sex where the woman consents as not rape when the opposite is actually true.


You've been trying real hard, but I don't think you'll get that one off the ground unless you peddle faster and flap harder.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-11 07:20:25 PM

pdee: BMulligan: pdee: If a women does not ovulate after being raped she is much less likely to get pregnant.

And if she isn't raped at all, even less likely yet to get pregnant. Perhaps that's the problem our elected representatives should be addressing, and not God's gift of rape babies.

Ill go out on a limb here but I think that if the press stops asking them about rape babies they will stop talking about rape.


That's, I just don't, so in your mind, rape victims should just shut up.
 
2013-01-11 07:23:26 PM

Mike_1962: That's, I just don't, so in your mind, rape victims should just shut up.


It sounds more reasonable if you call them "sluts."
 
2013-01-11 07:24:04 PM
What is more disturbing and something that the mainstream media absolutely WILL NOT report on, is the insistence of Planned Parenthood and the Democrats' view of abortion on demand. It's not such a big deal if someone misspeaks about sexual assault, but why blame and kill the baby for it? The Democrat Party is the party of dead babies, little torsos, arms, legs, severed heads, infant guts, all sliced up and ready for suctioning out. This is NOT benefiting women in any way. It's the Democrats who are waging a war on women and on their offspring, by being the Party of Death.
 
2013-01-11 07:27:11 PM

mrshowrules: Let me summarize:
1) forcible rape has a lower chance of causing pregnancy
2) if you get pregnant, you probably enjoyed yourself
3) if you enjoyed yourself, it wasn't forcible/legitimate rape
4) if it wasn't legitimate rape, you are a whore and a liar for calling it rape

Is that about it?


You will now see the rats fleeing the sinking ship.
 
2013-01-11 07:29:27 PM
And if another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue. The college-age daughters of many of my friends voted for Obama because they were completely turned off by Neanderthal comments like the suggestion of "legitimate rape."

--Former Bush-adviser Karen Hughes

Link
 
2013-01-11 07:33:41 PM

dickfreckle: "At a breakfast yesterday morning, I was asked why Democrats made abortion a central theme of the presidential campaign. "

Dude, Democrats don't make abortion a central theme. It's you dolts who keep bringing it up. If you don't want Democrats to use abortion as ammunition, STFU.


This x eleventy.

And here they are bringing it up again! It wasn't the Democrats this time! THEY were the ones who had to make sure everyone understands that, look, what they REALLY MEANT was not that rape isn't bad, it's just that well, you know...what the f*ck IS this guy trying to say, anyway? That because sometimes something else happens, what Akins said wasn't really so bad?
 
2013-01-11 07:34:30 PM

lennavan: Mike_1962: Did you relize that the argument you are defending (even if only partially, and in a pedantic rather than meaning seeking manner) hinges on it's OK to deny an abortion

The argument you are referring to does not hinge on its OK to deny an abortion. That is the conclusion being drawn from their argument. Their argument hinges on whether one potential accurate way to determine if a woman was actually raped or not is whether or not she gets pregnant.


Wow. It's not that I disagree, but that's so far outside of the society I live in...wow.
 
2013-01-11 07:42:43 PM

Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.


I think it's safe to say that is already happening metaphorically.The real question is when (if?) they're going to realize it.

What gets me, as a man, is that Akin, Gingrey, et al all have or had mothers. All of them have wives. Many of them have sisters and daughters. How in the sweet holy fark do they reconcile this kind of careless dismissal of sexual violence against women with their relationships to so many people (not even counting more distant relatives, friends,associates) they presumably respect and/or love?
 
2013-01-11 08:01:23 PM

kc278: Coco LaFemme: If you have a vagina and vote Republican, you should be put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit.

I think it's safe to say that is already happening metaphorically.The real question is when (if?) they're going to realize it.

What gets me, as a man, is that Akin, Gingrey, et al all have or had mothers. All of them have wives. Many of them have sisters and daughters. How in the sweet holy fark do they reconcile this kind of careless dismissal of sexual violence against women with their relationships to so many people (not even counting more distant relatives, friends,associates) they presumably respect and/or love?


If it was THEIR mother/wife/daughter, it would be legitimate rape, she wouldn't get pregnant (because she wouldn't enjoy it, obviously), and she would have no reason to lie about it, because of course it would only have been a real rape.

The real issue here is that, in their minds, there are different kinds of sexual encounters and different kinds of women who have those sexual encounters, and these encounters have different outcomes, depending upon the type of woman who has them. For instance, a "good" woman who has a pleasurable encounter can become pregnant; whereas a "good" woman who is raped cannot become pregnant. And a "good" woman will not lie about being raped, she either has sex she wants, or is raped. However, a "bad" woman will lie about being raped, because she is "bad". The determinative factor, then, is the outcome--since a good woman becomes pregnant from sex, but not rape, it therefore follows that a bad woman who becomes pregnant must not have been raped, but must have wanted the encounter at some level.

It's weird, twisted logic, but when you unpack the thinking, you can see how they are thinking. So they're not thinking of their own women--because they are "good" women.
 
2013-01-11 08:07:27 PM

tony41454: What is more disturbing and something that the mainstream media absolutely WILL NOT report on, is the insistence of Planned Parenthood and the Democrats' view of abortion on demand. It's not such a big deal if someone misspeaks about sexual assault, but why blame and kill the baby for it? The Democrat Party is the party of dead babies, little torsos, arms, legs, severed heads, infant guts, all sliced up and ready for suctioning out. This is NOT benefiting women in any way. It's the Democrats who are waging a war on women and on their offspring, by being the Party of Death.


My, aren't you just a special little snowflake?
 
2013-01-11 08:34:34 PM

cbathrob: tony41454: What is more disturbing and something that the mainstream media absolutely WILL NOT report on, is the insistence of Planned Parenthood and the Democrats' view of abortion on demand. It's not such a big deal if someone misspeaks about sexual assault, but why blame and kill the baby for it? The Democrat Party is the party of dead babies, little torsos, arms, legs, severed heads, infant guts, all sliced up and ready for suctioning out. This is NOT benefiting women in any way. It's the Democrats who are waging a war on women and on their offspring, by being the Party of Death.

My, aren't you just a special little snowflake?


To clarify: The Party of Death is NOT the Party who increases military spending, promotes war in the Middle East, applauds capital punishment, rejects universal health care, guts social services, and established legal guidelines for torture in military prisons. That is not the Party of Death, no. Let's be perfectly clear on that.
 
2013-01-11 08:39:23 PM
So much derp, so little time . . .

"I've delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things. It is true," Gingrey said, according to the Marietta Daily Journal. "We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, 'Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don't be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.' So he was partially right wasn't he?"

First off, if a couple is infertile, how the fark is wine and relaxation gonna make them fertile again? Maybe he meant fertile couples who were having trouble conceiving, and I get his point that tension can interfere with a woman's ovulation cycle by preventing it from beginning.

Here's the part that proves Akin 100% wrong:

"But the fact that a woman may have already ovulated 12 hours before she is raped, you're not going to prevent a pregnancy there by a woman's body shutting anything down because the horse has already left the barn, so to speak," Gingrey continued.

So the main issue is that once the ovulation cycle begins, stress won't suddenly end it. That's the opposite of what Akin claimed ("If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down").
 
2013-01-11 09:19:20 PM

Soup4Bonnie: wjmorris3: We accept sex where the woman consents as not rape when the opposite is actually true.

You've been trying real hard, but I don't think you'll get that one off the ground unless you peddle faster and flap harder.

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Have you forgotten what the Bible says? "Do not lie with a... woman; it is an abomination." (Lev. 18:22)
 
2013-01-11 09:19:38 PM
WTF happened to skullkrusher. Time to put him on ignore. Yeesh.
 
2013-01-11 09:42:32 PM

tony41454: What is more disturbing and something that the mainstream media absolutely WILL NOT report on, is the insistence of Planned Parenthood and the Democrats' view of abortion on demand. It's not such a big deal if someone misspeaks about sexual assault, but why blame and kill the baby for it? The Democrat Party is the party of dead babies, little torsos, arms, legs, severed heads, infant guts, all sliced up and ready for suctioning out. This is NOT benefiting women in any way. It's the Democrats who are waging a war on women and on their offspring, by being the Party of Death.


0/10

I figured you might be trolling, and you had me until "Democrat Party"

Don't try so hard.
 
2013-01-11 10:09:52 PM
Dear Republican Men,
Please keep talking about rape.

Sincerely,
Every Democrat Ever
 
2013-01-11 11:51:43 PM
It is as if they've found the sensitivity training handbook from bizarro world's glee club
 
2013-01-12 03:15:08 AM
His med school should ask for its diplomma back.
 
2013-01-12 10:14:23 AM

Kibbler: WTF happened to skullkrusher. Time to put him on ignore. Yeesh.


if you're putting me on ignore for this thread, it's probably for the best. I honestly have no idea wtf is the matter with you people sometimes.
 
2013-01-12 10:15:20 AM
Is this like when you are trying to not think about something and the effort of suppressing the thought causes it to become foremost in your mind?
 
2013-01-12 10:27:58 AM

RminusQ: From another article:
And in Missouri, Todd Akin ... was asked by a local news source about rape and he said, 'Look, in a legitimate rape situation' - and what he meant by legitimate rape was just look, someone can say I was raped: a scared-to-death 15-year-old that becomes impregnated by her boyfriend and then has to tell her parents, that's pretty tough and might on some occasion say, 'Hey, I was raped.' That's what he meant when he said legitimate rape versus non-legitimate rape. I don't find anything so horrible about that. But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman's body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He's partly right on that.

For those of you who stopped counting and started bleeding from the eyes, that was nine. Or, nine more uses of the word "rape" than any Republican should put into a single paragraph.


That's good point. I almost can't say the word "rape" because it feels like trying to say the word, "n1@@*r" - there's that discomfort in the pit of my stomach. I tend to use it as little as possible and only when it really applies, but this guy can't stop saying it. He probably talks about it in his sleep..
 
2013-01-12 12:35:38 PM
>This thread

Well done /b/, well done.
 
2013-01-14 05:24:32 PM

BMulligan: Because I was responding to your idiotic post, in which you thought you had scored some sort of wicked burn because you imagined some inconsistency in my use of the words "child" and "fetus."


On the contrary, my big mistake was not scoring a big burn on you for misusing those terms. You misused the terms, I ignored it and moved on using the terms as you had used them and then you scored your stupid burn on me for misusing them. It was quite dumb of you.

BMulligan: And you should not assume that I am okay with the present restrictions on abortion. I am not. I would prefer that the matter be left entirely to the woman and her doctor. That is not the political reality at the moment, however.


Next time you might clarify that then:

BMulligan: BMulligan: I very much err on the side of legally restricting abortion as little as possible


And say you want no restriction on abortion at all. That's fine, I mean I couldn't possibly disagree more and I think you're a pretty disgusting human being for being okay with aborting a 39 week old fetus for the sole reason of it's going to be a girl. But you have a right to be a sick fark.
 
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