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(The Atlantic Wire)   What passes for "editorial independence" these days: Cnet forced by its parent company, CBS, to rescind a "best of" tech award to Dish Network's "The Hopper" DVR, because CBS is suing Dish Network over the device's ability to skip commercials   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 73
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2013-01-11 11:54:37 AM
HOPPER! RESCIND!
HOPPER! RESCIND!
 
2013-01-11 11:59:46 AM
That is what happens when 99% of all popular media is (literally) about 7-8 companies.
 
2013-01-11 11:59:53 AM
Pop quiz, hotshot. There's a brilliant product winning your contest. If the product wins your parent company will lose money, if you stop it from winning no one will take that contest seriously ever again. What do you do? What do you do?

Shoot the idiot that let Cnet get bought out.
 
2013-01-11 12:02:20 PM

BumpInTheNight: Pop quiz, hotshot. There's a brilliant product winning your contest. If the product wins your parent company will lose money, if you stop it from winning no one will take that contest seriously ever again. What do you do? What do you do?


Btw I would also take "Let the Streisand effect do its thing" as well.
 
2013-01-11 12:08:12 PM
Now, I'm not saying CNet is fixing reviews based on the whims of CBS, but it looks like the opportunity is there.

So, why trust anything CNet says? How do I know that CBS isn't telling them which products must be rated higher or lower?
 
2013-01-11 12:11:00 PM
The Hoppah?
 
2013-01-11 12:17:50 PM

Joe USer: Now, I'm not saying CNet is fixing reviews based on the whims of CBS, but it looks like the opportunity is there.

So, why trust anything CNet says? How do I know that CBS isn't telling them which products must be rated higher or lower?


Exactly. Next will be "rate this Sony product high" because (if memory serves) Sony is affiliated with CBS.
 
2013-01-11 12:29:53 PM
cache.daylife.com
And that's just the way it is, January 11, 2013.
 
2013-01-11 12:31:57 PM
l.wigflip.com
 
2013-01-11 12:38:37 PM
static.guim.co.uk

I don't always skip commercials...
 
2013-01-11 12:39:11 PM
To be fair, it's not as if CNet is relevant anymore.
 
2013-01-11 01:03:30 PM
cnet.com has been packaging spyware with the downloads for a while. Fark them.
 
2013-01-11 01:03:57 PM

Sybarite: The Hoppah?


www.deviantart.com
 
2013-01-11 01:06:06 PM

Earguy: Joe USer: Now, I'm not saying CNet is fixing reviews based on the whims of CBS, but it looks like the opportunity is there.

So, why trust anything CNet says? How do I know that CBS isn't telling them which products must be rated higher or lower?

Exactly. Next will be "rate this Sony product high" because (if memory serves) Sony is affiliated with CBS.


Or, at the very least, would be interesting to see how companies that heavily advertise on CBS, like on football games, etc, how their products rate on average vs. other companies on CNet.
 
2013-01-11 01:06:25 PM

BumpInTheNight: Pop quiz, hotshot. There's a brilliant product winning your contest. If the product wins your parent company will lose money, if you stop it from winning no one will take that contest seriously ever again. What do you do? What do you do?


Fix the cable?
 
2013-01-11 01:07:54 PM

King Something: BumpInTheNight: Pop quiz, hotshot. There's a brilliant product winning your contest. If the product wins your parent company will lose money, if you stop it from winning no one will take that contest seriously ever again. What do you do? What do you do?

Fix the cable?


Is your computer plugged in?
 
2013-01-11 01:08:06 PM

BumpInTheNight: Pop quiz, hotshot. There's a brilliant product winning your contest. If the product wins your parent company will lose money, if you stop it from winning no one will take that contest seriously ever again. What do you do? What do you do?

Shoot the idiot that let Cnet get bought out.


BTW has anyone here used the hopper? Does it have a good interface. //Still sorely miss my old TiVo.
 
2013-01-11 01:08:09 PM
The sad part is that this auto skip funcionality has existed since VCR's had them. My first DVR in 2002 was a ReplayTV. I bought the last floor model since it was the last model that had the auto skip feature. They were getting sued so they removed the feature from future versions. I realize the issues for DVR companies auto skipping commercials but I don't get why DirecTV can't get DVR features such as folders, that is so freaking simple and I had it back in 2002, 11 years later why can't I have folders DirecTV I hate you!
 
2013-01-11 01:09:09 PM
People still go to CNET for some reason? I think the last time I was there I was downloading a Netscape browser add-on.

Slight threadjack, but is Consumer Reports still a reputable ranking site or has it suffered the same fate? If not, what is these days for electronics, appliances, and such?
 
2013-01-11 01:12:14 PM
I barely knew her!
 
2013-01-11 01:13:56 PM

Outlawtsar: People still go to CNET for some reason? I think the last time I was there I was downloading a Netscape browser add-on.

Slight threadjack, but is Consumer Reports still a reputable ranking site or has it suffered the same fate? If not, what is these days for electronics, appliances, and such?


Some might accuse it of other things, but, I think from the standpoint that Consumers Union (who publishes Consumer Reports) is a non-profit not owned by any corporation, it is at least not influenced directly like CNet obviously is.

Of course, who is on the board, etc, that have connections to other companies, and what influence that might have, who knows.
 
2013-01-11 01:16:10 PM

Sybarite: The Hoppah?


It's pronounced Haw-pah and it is awesome!

2 terabytes of storage, up to 6 shows recorded at once. Nice GUI.

/not a paid shill, just really impressed after too many years of shiatty Comcast/Motorola cable boxes.
 
2013-01-11 01:16:13 PM
Did rescinding that award install a yahoo toolbar, homepage change and bonzi buddy?
 
2013-01-11 01:18:45 PM

Joe USer: Now, I'm not saying CNet is fixing reviews based on the whims of CBS, but it looks like the opportunity is there.

So, why trust anything CNet says? How do I know that CBS isn't telling them which products must be rated higher or lower?


"See, this company actually pays a lot more than this company to sponsor our shows, so make sure to give them better marks. Maybe if those other companies want better reviews, they'll give us more money."
 
2013-01-11 01:23:53 PM
See this "credibility" right here? We'll just add a little gas.... maybe some kerosene.... couple drops of acetone... what are we missing... oh yeah, a match!

*WHOOOSH*
 
2013-01-11 01:25:45 PM
If only there were some device which was not a Chopper and a Hopper...
www.delawareonline.com
 
2013-01-11 01:30:16 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Sybarite: The Hoppah?

It's pronounced Haw-pah and it is awesome!

2 terabytes of storage, up to 6 shows recorded at once. Nice GUI.

/not a paid shill, just really impressed after too many years of shiatty Comcast/Motorola cable boxes.


The GUI for Comcast's set top boxes has not changed in about ten years.

/lives in Philly, which is Comcast or GTFO territory.
 
2013-01-11 01:34:34 PM
Not on Dish
Not ON Dish
NOT ON DISH
 
2013-01-11 01:37:08 PM
CNET selling out journalistic integrity? This would have been a huge scandal in 1998.
 
2013-01-11 01:40:02 PM

superfudge73: Not on Dish
Not ON Dish
NOT ON DISH


mostlyfilm.files.wordpress.com
I swear to God...
 
2013-01-11 01:56:45 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: 2 terabytes of storage, up to 6 shows recorded at once. Nice GUI.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Someone thinks there are six things worth watching on tv at the same time
hahahahahahhahaha
You're lucky if you can find one
 
2013-01-11 01:59:02 PM
Don't worry guys. Soon everything will be owned by Disney, Warner Bros., and Sony, and all this unpleasant dissent will be quashed.
 
2013-01-11 02:03:58 PM

ZeroCorpse: Don't worry guys. Soon everything will be owned by Disney, Warner Bros., and Sony, and all this unpleasant dissent will be quashed.


Not sure what you mean.  Other than rouge internet websites, the media is basically already there....

http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php

While the list is long, most of what is owned is concentrated to about 7-8 companies.   Everyone else just owns a few local TV/Radio stations or small town newspapers.
 
2013-01-11 02:05:26 PM

Outlawtsar: Slight threadjack, but is Consumer Reports still a reputable ranking site or has it suffered the same fate? If not, what is these days for electronics, appliances, and such?


I don't like their methodology, it relies too much on consumer complaints and mail in surveys. You are going to get feedback loops:
i.e. CR complains about something on car
readers would have never noticed or the issue was fixed on next model year
owners still complain

If I recall there was a CR car review were the GM and Toyota model of the same car go different reviews, the only only difference between the cars minus the badges was that the Toyota had break away mirrors and the Chevy didn't

However, readers were trained to complain about GM products and to think higher of Toyota. Same things often happens with computers, Apple gets way more leverage because of brand image when their products don't "just work." I recently had to work on one where the CUPS got screwed up, I had to call Apple support 3 times before I got transferred to someone who knew WTF CUPS is

/CUPS - Common Unix Printing System, used by most BSD/LINUX systems to talk to printers, it's broken printing no work-y
 
2013-01-11 02:07:39 PM

ZeroCorpse: Don't worry guys. Soon everything will be owned by Disney, Warner Bros., and Sony, and all this unpleasant dissent will be quashed.


Are you trying to say you didn't enjoy your disney bros digivid entertainment pill? Didn't you read the review on disneybros.entertainment.solution? They recommended the suppository. You probably got the oral like a moron.
 
2013-01-11 02:11:00 PM

zedster: CR complains about something on car
readers would have never noticed or the issue was fixed on next model year
owners still complain


Sounds like gizmodo/gawker or any other site. The internet has declared something undesirable in the product! Allow us to focus on it as if there were no other flaws!

Also you mean e.g. i.e. means 'that is'
 
2013-01-11 02:15:22 PM

moothemagiccow: zedster: CR complains about something on car
readers would have never noticed or the issue was fixed on next model year
owners still complain

Sounds like gizmodo/gawker or any other site. The internet has declared something undesirable in the product! Allow us to focus on it as if there were no other flaws!

Also you mean e.g. i.e. means 'that is'


noted,
here's some blog proof

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/08/unraveling-the-mystery-of-c on sumer-reports-brand-spread/

I was thinking of the Prizm/Corolla but looks like it happened elsewhere. I would be intrigued to see the early 2000s Lincoln LS and Jag X-type. The biggest difference was the Jag had 13 more HP but the underpinnings were otherwise the same.

//cue Clarkson:Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggg
 
2013-01-11 02:16:17 PM
Its a good thing that every company is owned by another company, right? no problems with that at all.
 
2013-01-11 02:19:46 PM

zedster: I would be intrigued to see the early 2000s Lincoln LS and Jag X-type. The biggest difference was the Jag had 13 more HP but the underpinnings were otherwise the same.


My bad, the LS and S-type shared a platform as did the X-type and the Mondeo which was not sold in the US at the time
 
2013-01-11 02:22:07 PM
Nobody has "confidence" in CNET in the last several years anyway. They just need to close shop. They're a joke.
 
2013-01-11 02:22:25 PM

zedster: moothemagiccow: zedster: CR complains about something on car
readers would have never noticed or the issue was fixed on next model year
owners still complain

Sounds like gizmodo/gawker or any other site. The internet has declared something undesirable in the product! Allow us to focus on it as if there were no other flaws!

Also you mean e.g. i.e. means 'that is'

noted,
here's some blog proof

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/08/unraveling-the-mystery-of-c on sumer-reports-brand-spread/

I was thinking of the Prizm/Corolla but looks like it happened elsewhere. I would be intrigued to see the early 2000s Lincoln LS and Jag X-type. The biggest difference was the Jag had 13 more HP but the underpinnings were otherwise the same.

//cue Clarkson:Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggg


I owned an '89 corrolla that I adored, it gave me 40 mpg was at 160,000 miles without a single problem and was generally a perfect car.  It gave its life taking an SUV in the driver's side door at 30 mph and letting me walk away without a scratch.  I bought an '89 prizm because I had been assured "it's the same car except fo the badges".  It wasn't.  Not in any way, shape,or form.  From the annoying little shiat (like no trunk release latch inside the car) to the cheap-ass stuff (no rear window de-froster) to the serious,performance ralted stuff (no sway bars for example)
 
2013-01-11 02:25:38 PM
Where have I heard this before?  CBS' Legal department stepping on the journalistic integrity of another division?

Oh, I remember:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-01-11 02:29:07 PM

ReverendJasen: Nobody has "confidence" in CNET in the last several years anyway. They just need to close shop. They're a joke.



Except my former co-worker, who wouldn't believe anything about any product unless CNet said it in their review. This was as recent as a year ago.
 
2013-01-11 02:30:21 PM

RedPhoenix122: To be fair, it's not as if CNet is relevant anymore.


Came for this. I kind of assumed that everyone else stopped giving a crap about what CNET reviewed back in the very late 90's or early 2000's when eCommerce took off and you could get information from actual customers who had used the item you were shopping for.

Maybe CNET was still ok for very early adopters who might then be the first reviewer on Amazon or other online retailer. It's also mildly interesting in its ability to give an initial look at features of a pre-release new product or category of products, but whether they rate it 1/10 or 10/10 has made very little difference to me in a dozen or more years. Really, it's not just CNET, it's Wired or PopSci or any other company that pays its people to test out products and write reviews. Unless its something that I can't yet hop over to Amazon and buy (and read reviews on) then the review is pretty much useless.
 
2013-01-11 02:41:33 PM

moothemagiccow: Uranus Is Huge!: 2 terabytes of storage, up to 6 shows recorded at once. Nice GUI.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Someone thinks there are six things worth watching on tv at the same time
hahahahahahhahaha
You're lucky if you can find one


It's not all rereuns of BJ and the Bear and Jersey Shore. I do, however, find you much more hip and edgy after that post. Please, tell me about your favorite bands.
 
2013-01-11 02:43:31 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: moothemagiccow: Uranus Is Huge!: 2 terabytes of storage, up to 6 shows recorded at once. Nice GUI.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Someone thinks there are six things worth watching on tv at the same time
hahahahahahhahaha
You're lucky if you can find one

It's not all rereuns of BJ and the Bear and Jersey Shore. I do, however, find you much more hip and edgy after that post. Please, tell me about your favorite bands.


Don't be silly. You never heard of any of them.
 
2013-01-11 02:55:14 PM
Yeah, CNET as a brand went into the toilet when CBS bought them.

Molly Wood - you should have left when you had the chance to go work for Leo.
 
2013-01-11 03:00:04 PM

ZeroCorpse: Don't worry guys. Soon everything will be owned by Disney, Warner Bros., and Sony, and all this unpleasant dissent will be quashed.


The obvious solution is to nationalize the media, amirite?
 
2013-01-11 03:10:39 PM

Sybarite: The Hoppah?


Get to it.
 
2013-01-11 03:12:34 PM

moothemagiccow: ZeroCorpse: Don't worry guys. Soon everything will be owned by Disney, Warner Bros., and Sony, and all this unpleasant dissent will be quashed.

Are you trying to say you didn't enjoy your disney bros digivid entertainment pill? Didn't you read the review on disneybros.entertainment.solution? They recommended the suppository. You probably got the oral like a moron.


I'm worried it will post my anal temperature on Facebook+Tube.
 
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