Elegy: moothemagiccow: hinten: Insert a tasteless joke about missing the gas 40 years ago only to smoke himself to death later.Spiegelman isn't a holocaust survivorAnd the holocaust occured 70 years ago.
GoodyearPimp: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Everybody seems to get POed at the suggestion of arming such teachers that want to be armed and that meet, say, the training standards in place for police officers. I keep asking folks who oppose such an idea "If you can't trust your child's teacher with a gun, WHY ARE YOU TRUSTING THEM WITH YOUR CHILD?!?!?" They mostly just look at me like I'm nuts.I think we should allow a few school to engage in this practice as test sites. Let them self-select, test the efficacy. Remind the red-staters that this means either increased taxes to pay for it or decreased teacher quality. God will sort it all out.
DontMakeMeComeBackThere: But I'll bet you any amount of money that you could never get a law that says "You can't own a gun because a relative of yours is insane" to pass Constitutional muster.
BojanglesPaladin: Carn: I'm more interested in requiring liability insurance as part of a licensing requirement.Can you explain why you think liability insurance on a gun (which is readily available currently) would have any affect on reducing gun crime?
jaytkay: dennysgod: jaytkay: Sticky Hands: however, what we DO know is the following: states with less strict gun control have lower firearm murder rates than states with more strict gun control.Not true.But you knew that., that goes for both of you.The onus is on the one making the claim.And I bet he'll trot out statistics from proven fraud John Lott. They always do.
HAMMERTOE: Thirty years ago, I used to go hunting early in the morning, stow my shotgun in my locker, and go on about my school day. The difference: Hollywood and rap music hadn't gotten into full swing yet, with the glorification of violence.
ansius: I was brought up in a rural community and taught to hunt and shoot. Moved to a city, and no longer hunt. I don't need a gun, and I don't see why other people who aren't hunting or sport shooting or for employment need one either. "I need one for self-protection' is the biggest piece of horse shiat I've heard.
Mr_Fabulous: HAMMERTOE: Thirty years ago, I used to go hunting early in the morning, stow my shotgun in my locker, and go on about my school day. The difference: Hollywood and rap music hadn't gotten into full swing yet, with the glorification of violence.And for thirty years, violent crime in the U.S. has trended steadily downward. Therefore, increasingly graphic Hollywood films and gangster-rap music have a positive affect, and help reduce violence overall.That's the logical conclusion of your argument.
busy chillin': It's like 10,000 spoons will all you need is a high-powered semi automatic rifle.
Allen. The end.: Yeah, this. I lived across the street from an anonymous gay sex meth club, and there were dealers in my building, but there was only one time I ever 'needed' to use a gun. Instead I sprayed a junkie in the face with mace, and wasn't arrested for discharging a firearm in the city.
Sticky Hands: jaytkay: dennysgod: jaytkay: Sticky Hands: I had a nice long response written up.But the fark DB blew up and I lost it so I will shorten it...
computerguyUT: Yep, the roughly 50 million "citizens" that have been executed by their own governments just this past century alone (all in the name of safety and security) Are pretty gaddamn hilarious. (hear the laughter?)Oh, that's right...that never happens I forget.So what IS the color of the sky in your world?In some sick way I hope that you assbags do win, pass restrictive laws and reap the "benefits" of your shiatty decisions when crime goes through the roof. (Stuhtiztiks...how DO they work? Facts?....who needz em? They just get in the way of Progress!)Then every person that might have been able to defend themselves, will be your fault and you can bet your ass we'll let you hear it until the crappy laws are repealed.But in reality I'd rather avoid that and spend our energy solving real problems, like the economy and our F-d up health care system.Guess that won't happen either...too many hard to get rights to go after with these crises ripe for the picking....
NightOwl2255: New day, new gun thread? Check.
jaytkay: Sticky Hands: jaytkay: dennysgod: jaytkay: Sticky Hands: I had a nice long response written up.But the fark DB blew up and I lost it so I will shorten it...That's the short version?There really isn't a viable argument to be found in there.
Sticky Hands: If gun control worked as advertised, states with strict gun control would have lower gun homicide rates that states that do not have strict gun control
jaytkay: Sticky Hands: If gun control worked as advertised, states with strict gun control would have lower gun homicide rates that states that do not have strict gun controlYou can't jump to that conclusion. Maybe lax gun laws in one state leads to more murder in another. States aren't sealed containers.There is a well-documented flow of guns out of states like Virginia to places like New York.Here in Chicago, between 2008 and 2012, 3,100 guns seized by Chicago police could be traced back to Indiana guns shops.
Begoggle: neversubmit: [i.imgur.com image 530x397]OK, let me take a shot at explaining this.Yes, 2 hours of violence in a movie DOES influence SOME people. The mentally weak, deranged, and ill. People that are already violent seek out those types of movies, and it's a self-feeding cycle. In fact, most people are probably influenced in some way. Some people are repulsed by it and want nothing to do with violence. But the vast majority of people are not influenced to simply go imitate what they see on the screen. This is because most people know the difference between reality and fantasy, good and bad, right and wrong. The 99.99999% of people who watch them recognize the difference between the outrageous caricatures of humans in a movie, and real humans in real life.Sure, if a bunch of guys kidnap your daughter and you have a particular set of skills, then maybe a movie would influence you to go use those skills, but otherwise, no.The Super Bowl commercial is trying to sell you a real-life product - or at the very least make you aware that it exists. The movie is not trying to convince you to go shoot people.
jaytkay: Liam Burns:So why don't places like Virginia and Indiana have the murder rates of New York and Chicago?Ahhh, another example of conservative brilliance.New York has a lower murder rate than both Indiana and Virgina. Illinois is a little higher.Link
BojanglesPaladin: jaytkay: Liam Burns:So why don't places like Virginia and Indiana have the murder rates of New York and Chicago?Ahhh, another example of conservative brilliance.New York has a lower murder rate than both Indiana and Virgina. Illinois is a little higher.LinkYour data is a bit stale, BTW.
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