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(Sly Oyster)   Twenty years ago Art Spiegelman drew an ironic cover of kids walking into school with guns. Now? "My wish for 2013: let Newtown be remembered as the turning point-I'm hoping that kids with guns can become ironic again"   (slyoyster.com) divider line 234
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2013-01-11 01:56:51 PM

Rapmaster2000: muck4doo: kbronsito: So hipsters should buy guns for their children?

Hipsters are cool with stripping away your rights, as long as a Democrat is doing it.

[www.slate.com image 249x250]
Hunting is the new hip thing that hipsters are into.  http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/12/hunt i ng_by_liberal_urban_locavores_is_a_trend_good_for_the_environment.html

I was into hunting way before you were.  I'm shooting shiat that you and the rest of the square community have probably never even heard of.


And I thoroughly suck at it now that I live somewhere deer are not a plague on the land.

Doesn't help that growing up in Michigan meant hunting wasn't really hunting so much as "sitting on a bait pile feeding pile for viewing you've had setup since August and waiting for that buck to show up".

I suppose that I just sucked at it before too... Perhaps I'll stick to fishing.
 
2013-01-11 01:57:06 PM
Conservatives have totally gone off the rails since November.

Either they admit that they are extremist lunatics and that Obama was legitimately elected twice. Or they just cling harder to their alternate reality.

If the real world doesn't conform to any of your delusions, there's no reason to make your delusions remotely plausible.

"Obama is going to take away my guns"
"The UN is going to take away my guns"
"I am a hero and if I had been at Newtown with my gun I would have saved the day"
"Armed muslims/negroes/Mexicans/whatever are lurking everywhere waiting to shoot me"
"Acorn stole the election"
Mooslim birf certificate
Benghazi
And on and on and on and on...
 
2013-01-11 01:57:09 PM
He sounds kind of pole-smokey...
 
2013-01-11 01:59:16 PM

kimmygibblershomework: Hopefully it will be over-hyped and simplistic like his other work(s).


... and subsequently achieve the greatest honour any artistic work can attain. Being dismissed by hipsters.
 
2013-01-11 01:59:20 PM
the blogger is aware adam lanza wasn't six years old, right?
 
2013-01-11 01:59:42 PM

Frank N Stein: professor_tom: Only pink guns, with ribbons and pikachu dangling from the trigger guard.

What about MLP Lee-Enfields?

[www.neatorama.com image 500x334]


Actually, now that I think about it, if we want a gun ban we should start with shiat like this. No dolling up a perfectly good, historical weapon with you're cartoony bullshiat. That, and ridiculously overpriced "sporterized" Nagants that people sell on Gunbroker.
 
2013-01-11 01:59:55 PM

Frank N Stein: Kazaa: I already fear for anyone in his daily life.

I'm sorry you're so afraid.


I get what he's saying.  I work with an emotional 50-something guy who is totally a candidate for shooting up the office.  Whenever he gets laid off (and he will because he's a mediocre engineer and disagreeable personality) then I'm working from home for a few weeks.  I would put his odds of going postal at 1 in 4.

Emotional people are trouble.  Emotional adult males even more so.
 
2013-01-11 02:00:24 PM

I_Am_Weasel: I may be interpreting this wrong, but not allowing parents to give their 5 year old an assault weapon is wrong since it strips away your rights.


You are. No one is advocating giving 5 year olds assault weapons.

Wait, were you being hipster ironic? So hard to tell.
 
2013-01-11 02:00:26 PM

jtown: kbronsito: So hipsters should buy guns for their children?

But only old, obscure guns that you've probably never seen before.

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I know a harmonica when I see one
 
2013-01-11 02:00:38 PM
CSB:
I saw Art Spiegleman speak at a university oh, 10 or so years ago now. I was on the student side of the committee that brought him in (although not an important part) so I got to see some of the behind the scenes back and forth.

Spiegleman had it written into his contract that he was 100% allowed to smoke anywhere on campus while he was presenting. During his 1 hour speech, he stood on stage in a packed aditorium and smoked at an alarming rate, using one cigarette to light the next. by the end of the speech, his ashtray - sitting in the podium - had an enormous pile of butts.

He mentioned during his speech that "as I chain smoker in New York I'm normally on house arrest, so it's really nice to be able to get out and about here in the south".

After the speech, we herded him to the Q&A reception. At which he continued to smoke at a ferocious pace, only in a much smaller and more enclosed room. To this day, I'm not sure where he kept pulling the cigarettes from - it was like watching a magic trick. The man must have smoked 3 or 4 packs in 3 or so hours, and the supply never ran out.

After seeing this, I've always thought - as a smoker - that I'll finally know that I've "made it" when, like Art Spiegleman, I can insist in my contract that I can smoke anywhere I want, yet people still want me to come speak bad enough that they'll honor that sort of clause.

It was breathtaking to behold

/quite literally
 
2013-01-11 02:00:57 PM
Kids with guns? I'm doing my part:

i47.tinypic.com

Of course, we have a back-up plan, just in case:

i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-11 02:01:52 PM
Maybe the holocaust will become ironic too.
 
2013-01-11 02:02:24 PM

Rapmaster2000: RickN99: FTA: . It doesn't seem so far removed from the rhetoric being spewed by the gun lobby in the wake of the Newtown massacre.

Right. The NRA recommends armed police in the schools -- that's not far at all from letting elementary school kids bring their own guns.

It made me wonder how familiar people are with police staffing levels in their community.  For example, the small town where I grew up had a total of five schools (3 grade, 1 middle, 1 high) and a total of ten cops.   So, they would need to increase their staffing levels by at least 50%.

My current county has 125 schools and 1269 cops, so it's roughly at the same level of staffing.  How much are taxpayers willing to pay to make this police idea happen?


In my experience, they don't really care about the funding, they just want better public safety and they want it now. Just like they want better schools, better roads, and better public services in general. Funding levels are always fine. Cut more in other areas. Just don't raise their taxes to pay for it.

And then they complain about hour reductions for services they use. "I didn't mean cut THAT!"

//Rant done.
 
2013-01-11 02:02:41 PM
So the article points out that arming children on their way to school is "the rhetoric being spewed by the gun lobby" by linking to an article in which someone claims that the teachers in schools should be armed.

I'm not sure but I'm thinking that fighting derp with derp may be a tad counterproductive.
 
2013-01-11 02:03:11 PM
"Of course, Obama's not letting me down, here, I love white men," he continued. "I sleep with one every night...that I know of." No, he said, it's his liberal friends who the pundit is sad for.

Am I missing something here? Am I not understanding English (not being my first language), or is that quote saying what it seems to say?
 
2013-01-11 02:03:28 PM

Rapmaster2000: Frank N Stein: Kazaa: I already fear for anyone in his daily life.

I'm sorry you're so afraid.

I get what he's saying.  I work with an emotional 50-something guy who is totally a candidate for shooting up the office.  Whenever he gets laid off (and he will because he's a mediocre engineer and disagreeable personality) then I'm working from home for a few weeks.  I would put his odds of going postal at 1 in 4.

Emotional people are trouble.  Emotional adult males even more so.


You think people who get mad come back and murder people? Why's he waste all that time expressing himself if he's going to follow it up later with the ultimate in emotional relief: an automatic weapon? I appreciate your armchair psychiatry either way. Be very afraid! Someone's not acting like I would!
 
2013-01-11 02:04:56 PM

Elegy: CSB:
I saw Art Spiegleman speak at a university oh, 10 or so years ago now. I was on the student side of the committee that brought him in (although not an important part) so I got to see some of the behind the scenes back and forth.

Spiegleman had it written into his contract that he was 100% allowed to smoke anywhere on campus while he was presenting. During his 1 hour speech, he stood on stage in a packed aditorium and smoked at an alarming rate, using one cigarette to light the next. by the end of the speech, his ashtray - sitting in the podium - had an enormous pile of butts.

He mentioned during his speech that "as I chain smoker in New York I'm normally on house arrest, so it's really nice to be able to get out and about here in the south".

After the speech, we herded him to the Q&A reception. At which he continued to smoke at a ferocious pace, only in a much smaller and more enclosed room. To this day, I'm not sure where he kept pulling the cigarettes from - it was like watching a magic trick. The man must have smoked 3 or 4 packs in 3 or so hours, and the supply never ran out.

After seeing this, I've always thought - as a smoker - that I'll finally know that I've "made it" when, like Art Spiegleman, I can insist in my contract that I can smoke anywhere I want, yet people still want me to come speak bad enough that they'll honor that sort of clause.

It was breathtaking to behold

/quite literally


That is awesome. He's a hero.
 
2013-01-11 02:05:17 PM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Rapmaster2000: muck4doo: kbronsito: So hipsters should buy guns for their children?

Hipsters are cool with stripping away your rights, as long as a Democrat is doing it.

[www.slate.com image 249x250]
Hunting is the new hip thing that hipsters are into.  http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/12/hunt i ng_by_liberal_urban_locavores_is_a_trend_good_for_the_environment.html

I was into hunting way before you were.  I'm shooting shiat that you and the rest of the square community have probably never even heard of.

LOL. They probably only use muskets, or something like that.


I have more respect, if anything, for someone who hunts with a muzzle-loader. One hand-loaded shot is all you get, and if you can't get the job done with one ball, you should get yourself back to the range.
 
2013-01-11 02:05:29 PM

ringersol: Frank N Stein: "I had a 10/22 as a kid. It was fun to shoot at cans."

I had a totally sweet Trapper Keeper.
It contained my homework and the awesome-to-a-kid doodles I made on my homework.

/ about as relevant
// it *was* totally sweet though
/// my teachers were not amused by the doodles
//// but back then you didn't get detention or expulsion for that sort of thing
// not even for the drawings you probably should not have drawn


When I was a kid I had a pump .22 and after a heavy rain I'd go to the wash out behind the pond and kill snakes so the cows would go to the high pasture. Then kids would trade punches, the shake and call it good. Today they talk shiat and pull guns.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-11 02:06:03 PM

Wadded Beef: Alas, not happening with all the insecurity, fear and hate coming from the wingnut gun-owners, Subby.


They're so deep in denial they refuse to have an intellectually honest conversation about the topic or even acknowledge that we have a problem with gun violence in this country.
 
2013-01-11 02:07:27 PM
Dear Mr. Spiegelman:

I love you, as many do. Your work on Maus alone elevates you to one of our most important literary figures, all hyperbole aside.

However, I'm sad to say, that your wish will never come to fruition. Unfortunately, it's a bit like a former virgin wishing for her hymen back.
 
2013-01-11 02:08:13 PM

Valerion: "Of course, Obama's not letting me down, here, I love white men," he continued. "I sleep with one every night...that I know of." No, he said, it's his liberal friends who the pundit is sad for.

Am I missing something here? Am I not understanding English (not being my first language), or is that quote saying what it seems to say?


Who or what are you quoting?
 
2013-01-11 02:08:36 PM

Valerion: "Of course, Obama's not letting me down, here, I love white men," he continued. "I sleep with one every night...that I know of." No, he said, it's his liberal friends who the pundit is sad for.

Am I missing something here? Am I not understanding English (not being my first language), or is that quote saying what it seems to say?


Wrong thread :P
 
2013-01-11 02:09:50 PM

moothemagiccow: Rapmaster2000: Frank N Stein: Kazaa: I already fear for anyone in his daily life.

I'm sorry you're so afraid.

I get what he's saying.  I work with an emotional 50-something guy who is totally a candidate for shooting up the office.  Whenever he gets laid off (and he will because he's a mediocre engineer and disagreeable personality) then I'm working from home for a few weeks.  I would put his odds of going postal at 1 in 4.

Emotional people are trouble.  Emotional adult males even more so.

You think people who get mad come back and murder people? Why's he waste all that time expressing himself if he's going to follow it up later with the ultimate in emotional relief: an automatic weapon? I appreciate your armchair psychiatry either way. Be very afraid! Someone's not acting like I would!


There's nothing wrong with being prepared.  You have a gun, right?  Is that because you're scared?  No, it's because you're taking appropriate actions to protect yourself.

Similarly, it's always best to avoid the office head case.

I could thoroughly be wrong of course.  At my last job there was a guy who talked about 3 things.  His ex-wife, his guns, and how much he hated his job.  When he finally got shiatcanned (because he sucked as well) I was waiting for the shots.  I stayed on that guy's good side.  I'm fairly certain this guy doesn't like me.
 
2013-01-11 02:10:52 PM
When will people learn that the only solution to gun violence is guns?
 
2013-01-11 02:11:30 PM

Rapmaster2000: muck4doo: kbronsito: So hipsters should buy guns for their children?

Hipsters are cool with stripping away your rights, as long as a Democrat is doing it.

[www.slate.com image 249x250]
Hunting is the new hip thing that hipsters are into.  http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/12/hunt i ng_by_liberal_urban_locavores_is_a_trend_good_for_the_environment.html

I was into hunting way before you were.  I'm shooting shiat that you and the rest of the square community have probably never even heard of.


Isn't it hard to field-dress a deer while wearing skinny jeans?
 
2013-01-11 02:11:30 PM

ciberido: Valerion: "Of course, Obama's not letting me down, here, I love white men," he continued. "I sleep with one every night...that I know of." No, he said, it's his liberal friends who the pundit is sad for.

Am I missing something here? Am I not understanding English (not being my first language), or is that quote saying what it seems to say?

Who or what are you quoting?


Should have gone in the Colbert thread. Got confused between my tabs.
 
2013-01-11 02:12:01 PM
An armed society is a polite society. Like the south side of Chicago, for example.
 
2013-01-11 02:13:14 PM

meat0918: Rapmaster2000: RickN99: FTA: . It doesn't seem so far removed from the rhetoric being spewed by the gun lobby in the wake of the Newtown massacre.

Right. The NRA recommends armed police in the schools -- that's not far at all from letting elementary school kids bring their own guns.

It made me wonder how familiar people are with police staffing levels in their community.  For example, the small town where I grew up had a total of five schools (3 grade, 1 middle, 1 high) and a total of ten cops.   So, they would need to increase their staffing levels by at least 50%.

My current county has 125 schools and 1269 cops, so it's roughly at the same level of staffing.  How much are taxpayers willing to pay to make this police idea happen?

In my experience, they don't really care about the funding, they just want better public safety and they want it now. Just like they want better schools, better roads, and better public services in general. Funding levels are always fine. Cut more in other areas. Just don't raise their taxes to pay for it.

And then they complain about hour reductions for services they use. "I didn't mean cut THAT!"

//Rant done.


I think the NRA knew that no matter what they suggested, the administration would shoot it down (no pun intended) just because it was the NRA's recommendation. So they make a proposal -- use trained government-employed security officers/cops.

And, of course, the politicians, who are currently being protected by trained government-employed security officers (and their kids go to schools where they are being protected by trained government-employed security officers), think its a terrible, useless idea. Oh, those wacko gunnuts!

It didn't matter what the NRA recommended. Columnists/journalists still claim the gun lobby wants, for all intents and purposed, to arm elementary school kids.
 
2013-01-11 02:13:17 PM
All the other kids with the pumped up kicks you better run, better run, outrun my gun.
 
2013-01-11 02:13:17 PM

neversubmit: When I was a kid I had a pump .22 and after a heavy rain I'd go to the wash out behind the pond and kill snakes so the cows would go to the high pasture. Then kids would trade punches, the shake and call it good. Today they talk shiat and pull guns.


Ahh, old people. Murder is just brand spanking new, isn't it?
 
2013-01-11 02:13:44 PM
I BLAME GORILLAZ:

Link
 
2013-01-11 02:14:08 PM

moothemagiccow: Rapmaster2000: Frank N Stein: Kazaa: I already fear for anyone in his daily life.

You think people who get mad come back and murder people? Why's he waste all that time expressing himself if he's going to follow it up later with the ultimate in emotional relief: an automatic weapon? I appreciate your armchair psychiatry either way. Be very afraid! Someone's not acting like I would!


What ho! White Knight! Bravely doth thou stand up for thee crazy folk.
 
2013-01-11 02:15:21 PM

jaytkay: An armed society is a polite society. Like the south side of Chicago, for example.


Well, when you have measures the prohibit poor people from legally purchasing guns, that leaves only the cops and bad guys (sometimes there's little distinction between to two) who own firearms.

Why do you support prohibiting poor black people from legally purchasing firearms?

/South Side resident, BTW
 
2013-01-11 02:17:45 PM

moothemagiccow: neversubmit: When I was a kid I had a pump .22 and after a heavy rain I'd go to the wash out behind the pond and kill snakes so the cows would go to the high pasture. Then kids would trade punches, the shake and call it good. Today they talk shiat and pull guns.

Ahh, old people. Murder is just brand spanking new, isn't it?


Kids killing other kids at school with firearms? Yes, that is relatively new.

/there were plenty of guns in back windows in the school parking lot in my hometown during hunting season
//and even not during hunting season...
///shockingly enough, no school shootings ever happened there.
 
2013-01-11 02:17:51 PM

Frank N Stein: jaytkay: An armed society is a polite society. Like the south side of Chicago, for example.

Well, when you have measures the prohibit poor people from legally purchasing guns, that leaves only the cops and bad guys (sometimes there's little distinction between to two) who own firearms.

Why do you support prohibiting poor black people from legally purchasing firearms?

/South Side resident, BTW


See? The only solution to gun violence is guns. Why can't people understand that?

If you're not living with a deadly weapon perpetually strapped to your side and a gnawing suspicion of everyone around you in the back of your brain, you're just not free. That feeling of paranoia is just there to let you know the second amendment is working as intended!

Hooray freedumb!
 
2013-01-11 02:19:13 PM

T.rex: In addition the highly acclaimed Maus I and II, Spieglman is also the guy who created the Garbage Pail Kids.

[www.igorslab.com image 198x286]


I thought you were lying. I had to look it up.

MIND. FARKING. BLOWN.
 
2013-01-11 02:19:47 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Frank N Stein: jaytkay: An armed society is a polite society. Like the south side of Chicago, for example.

Well, when you have measures the prohibit poor people from legally purchasing guns, that leaves only the cops and bad guys (sometimes there's little distinction between to two) who own firearms.

Why do you support prohibiting poor black people from legally purchasing firearms?

/South Side resident, BTW

See? The only solution to gun violence is guns. Why can't people understand that?

If you're not living with a deadly weapon perpetually strapped to your side and a gnawing suspicion of everyone around you in the back of your brain, you're just not free. That feeling of paranoia is just there to let you know the second amendment is working as intended!

Hooray freedumb!


Hooray hyperbole!! Is there any discussion that it can't contribute to?
 
2013-01-11 02:21:27 PM

neversubmit: When I was a kid I had a pump .22 and after a heavy rain I'd go to the wash out behind the pond and kill snakes so the cows would go to the high pasture. Then kids would trade punches, the shake and call it good. Today they talk shiat and pull guns.



Unless you were a kid in the 1950s or a couple of years in the 1960 that's simply not true.
since that was that last time the murder rate was this low (4.7) and the lowest in that era was 4.0 in 1957. ( FBI stats, feel free to check 'em out)

to go any lower than that you would have to go all the way back to 1910.

Simply put the argument that more guns leads to more crime is not supported by the data which shows that we have more guns than ever before, and we are approaching the lowest overall crime rates in a century
 
2013-01-11 02:21:29 PM
RickN99:

I think the NRA knew that no matter what they suggested, the administration would shoot it down (no pun intended) just because it was the NRA's recommendation. So they make a proposal -- use trained government-employed security officers/cops.

And, of course, the politicians, who are currently being protected by trained government-employed security officers (and their kids go to schools where they are being protected by trained government-employed security officers), think its a terrible, useless idea. Oh, those wacko gunnuts!

It didn't matter what the NRA recommended. Columnists/journalists still claim the gun lobby wants, for all intents and purposed, to arm elementary school kids.


It's simpler than that.  The NRA just needed to propose something so they chose something unlikely, but would probably work.  That's the key.  Technically, it's a workable idea.  Logistically, there's no way it will happen.  But they proposed something that would probably work.  They're "right" in a manner of speaking.

So forget about Obama.  Would any administration advocate this?  Your community could do this right now if they wanted to?  They don't need Obama to make decisions on policing.   I assume you don't live in Obamalibtardland, so why isn't your community proposing to do it?  Probably  because your community leaders aren't about to raise your taxes to pay for it because they know you won't stand for it.
 
2013-01-11 02:21:44 PM

xalres: Wadded Beef: Alas, not happening with all the insecurity, fear and hate coming from the wingnut gun-owners, Subby.

They're so deep in denial they refuse to have an intellectually honest conversation about the topic or even acknowledge that we have a problem with gun violence in this country.


A problem that
1) is already in steep decline
2)has almost nothing to do with assault riles and high capacity magazines, which is where essentially all the discussion is focused.
Anecdotes
3)still has MANY vectors of adressing it left besides declawing the proles.
 
2013-01-11 02:23:03 PM

GanjSmokr: moothemagiccow: neversubmit: When I was a kid I had a pump .22 and after a heavy rain I'd go to the wash out behind the pond and kill snakes so the cows would go to the high pasture. Then kids would trade punches, the shake and call it good. Today they talk shiat and pull guns.

Ahh, old people. Murder is just brand spanking new, isn't it?

Kids killing other kids at school with firearms? Yes, that is relatively new.

/there were plenty of guns in back windows in the school parking lot in my hometown during hunting season
//and even not during hunting season...
///shockingly enough, no school shootings ever happened there.


I wish you right and that young whipper snapper was full of it however... School shooting
 
2013-01-11 02:23:14 PM

RickN99: meat0918: Rapmaster2000: RickN99: FTA: . It doesn't seem so far removed from the rhetoric being spewed by the gun lobby in the wake of the Newtown massacre.

Right. The NRA recommends armed police in the schools -- that's not far at all from letting elementary school kids bring their own guns.

It made me wonder how familiar people are with police staffing levels in their community.  For example, the small town where I grew up had a total of five schools (3 grade, 1 middle, 1 high) and a total of ten cops.   So, they would need to increase their staffing levels by at least 50%.

My current county has 125 schools and 1269 cops, so it's roughly at the same level of staffing.  How much are taxpayers willing to pay to make this police idea happen?

In my experience, they don't really care about the funding, they just want better public safety and they want it now. Just like they want better schools, better roads, and better public services in general. Funding levels are always fine. Cut more in other areas. Just don't raise their taxes to pay for it.

And then they complain about hour reductions for services they use. "I didn't mean cut THAT!"

//Rant done.

I think the NRA knew that no matter what they suggested, the administration would shoot it down (no pun intended) just because it was the NRA's recommendation. So they make a proposal -- use trained government-employed security officers/cops.

And, of course, the politicians, who are currently being protected by trained government-employed security officers (and their kids go to schools where they are being protected by trained government-employed security officers), think its a terrible, useless idea. Oh, those wacko gunnuts!

It didn't matter what the NRA recommended. Columnists/journalists still claim the gun lobby wants, for all intents and purposed, to arm elementary school kids.


Yet look at all of the tards in the thread claiming that it is the "gun nuts" who are being unreasonable.

I DON'T KNOW SHIAT ABOUT THIS BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE BANNED!!! Their irrationality is really making me reconsider trusting their opinions on other issues. You kneejerk motherfarkers are the reason we keep getting farked by shiat like the PATRIOT act. DIAF, all of you.
 
2013-01-11 02:23:32 PM

stuffy: I've said it before. The only way your going to get people to give up guns, is to make them feel that they don't need them.


How would you propose doing that?
 
2013-01-11 02:24:22 PM

GanjSmokr: moothemagiccow: neversubmit: When I was a kid I had a pump .22 and after a heavy rain I'd go to the wash out behind the pond and kill snakes so the cows would go to the high pasture. Then kids would trade punches, the shake and call it good. Today they talk shiat and pull guns.

Ahh, old people. Murder is just brand spanking new, isn't it?

Kids killing other kids at school with firearms? Yes, that is relatively new.

/there were plenty of guns in back windows in the school parking lot in my hometown during hunting season
//and even not during hunting season...
///shockingly enough, no school shootings ever happened there.


So how many people were murdered in your hometown high school last year?
 
2013-01-11 02:24:43 PM

Sticky Hands: neversubmit: When I was a kid I had a pump .22 and after a heavy rain I'd go to the wash out behind the pond and kill snakes so the cows would go to the high pasture. Then kids would trade punches, the shake and call it good. Today they talk shiat and pull guns.


Unless you were a kid in the 1950s or a couple of years in the 1960 that's simply not true.
since that was that last time the murder rate was this low (4.7) and the lowest in that era was 4.0 in 1957. ( FBI stats, feel free to check 'em out)

to go any lower than that you would have to go all the way back to 1910.

Simply put the argument that more guns leads to more crime is not supported by the data which shows that we have more guns than ever before, and we are approaching the lowest overall crime rates in a century


That probably has nothing to do with our record incarceration rates, no? Also, being number one in the world in gun murders per capita, we should be proud of that too right?
 
2013-01-11 02:26:18 PM

Rapmaster2000: How much are taxpayers willing to pay to make this police idea happen?


Yeah, I dunno about that the efficacy of that specific proposal -- mass/school shootings are highly publicized but (thank goodness!) statistically very rare compared to other types of homicide and so the finite resources that society has may be more effective if they're allocated to other things that may have more of an effect on preventing violent crime, murder, etc. Violent crime has no farking place in a civilized country and I'm sick and tired of it.

I personally have no problems paying an appropriate level of tax to live in a civilized society that provides healthcare (physical and mental), public safety (police, firefighters, courts, etc.), education, economic assistance for the poor, unemployed, disabled, and elderly, etc.
 
2013-01-11 02:26:44 PM

Sticky Hands: neversubmit: When I was a kid I had a pump .22 and after a heavy rain I'd go to the wash out behind the pond and kill snakes so the cows would go to the high pasture. Then kids would trade punches, the shake and call it good. Today they talk shiat and pull guns.


Unless you were a kid in the 1950s or a couple of years in the 1960 that's simply not true.
since that was that last time the murder rate was this low (4.7) and the lowest in that era was 4.0 in 1957. ( FBI stats, feel free to check 'em out)

to go any lower than that you would have to go all the way back to 1910.

Simply put the argument that more guns leads to more crime is not supported by the data which shows that we have more guns than ever before, and we are approaching the lowest overall crime rates in a century


It was the 70s you punk! :) 1970s that is... and sure whatever... we were/(are?) a bunch of dumb hicks in rural arkansas so it was sort of like the 50s
 
2013-01-11 02:27:23 PM

Decillion: What ho! White Knight! Bravely doth thou stand up for thee crazy folk.


Nobody said "crazy." This guy's terrified of his cube mate because he's "emotional." The rest of us who stay quiet as mice never murder anyone.
 
2013-01-11 02:27:46 PM
All these discussions about guns have made me realise I am wrong. We *SHOULD* ban hi capacity clips. There is no reason ANYONE needs a clip that holds more than 10 rounds. So I am now in favor of getting rid of all hi-capacity clips, and I vow before Fark, that I will not use a clip that holds more than 10 rounds for any of my guns.

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