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(Education Week)   And here's the 2013 Quality Counts report on the states doing the best job at education. At number ten we have Kentucky; at number nine, West Virginia. Then they start trolling   (edweek.org) divider line 143
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2013-01-11 10:16:34 AM
We're 31 We're 31 GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TEAM GOOOOOOOOO
 
2013-01-11 10:46:11 AM
We're...not at the bottom! Go Cali.
 
2013-01-11 10:50:12 AM
Virginia at #4 doesn't surprise me. It's crazy competitive in NoVA. Like B- would get you grounded because "How do you expect to make it into William & Mary/Georgetown/UVA/VT with those kinds of grades?" mentalities.
 
2013-01-11 10:51:45 AM
Wow. Go Maryland.
 
2013-01-11 10:52:58 AM
Is this similar to that other one that included teacher's unions as a negative in their ratings ?
 
2013-01-11 10:53:33 AM
New Mexico #35.

I suspect grade inflation. Some districts here graduate less than 50% - and a good share of the diplomas are just participation ribbons.
 
2013-01-11 10:54:41 AM
Woohoo! Louisiana's #15! Suck it Connecticut!
 
2013-01-11 10:55:50 AM
I blame Dallas for Texas not making a B
 
2013-01-11 10:56:02 AM

facisto: Wow. Go Maryland.


They are usually number one.

/Suck it Virginia
 
2013-01-11 10:56:53 AM
And in what form of cheap manual labor does Quality Counts specialize?
 
2013-01-11 10:58:13 AM

CipollinaFan: facisto: Wow. Go Maryland.

They are usually number one.

/Suck it Virginia


Shut up. We have Virginia Beach to make up for.
 
2013-01-11 10:58:32 AM
From the gloriously intelligent state of Maryland, a hearty "OMAR'S COMING!" to you all!
 
2013-01-11 10:59:02 AM
Suck it, libs.
 
2013-01-11 10:59:57 AM
This explains the election results
 
2013-01-11 11:00:23 AM
Hey look, someone's graded on a curve.

Thanks for wrecking it, Maryland.

/And South Dakota should get a pass since it's all boomtown.
 
2013-01-11 11:01:06 AM
fark yeah, Texas, ahead of the curve!
 
2013-01-11 11:02:06 AM
Arkansas with a B? Someone is fudging numbers.
 
2013-01-11 11:02:54 AM
Are there really factors that matter all that much *besides* "K-12 educational outcomes"? It seems like they've needlessly included a bunch of (seemingly) unnecessary noise into the data...
 
2013-01-11 11:03:40 AM
Wow, go Maryland.

My former state is Pennsylvania so....I'm glad they are above average.
 
2013-01-11 11:03:54 AM

OddLlama: Arkansas with a B? Someone is fudging numbers.


It's likely not the numbers, but possibly the curriculum. I'd like to see a comparison of the average curriculum taught by the states, vs their grades.
 
2013-01-11 11:06:25 AM
This "ranking" sounds about as legitimate as a Cracked list.
 
2013-01-11 11:07:00 AM

KatjaMouse: How do you expect to make it into William & Mary/Georgetown/UVA/VT


Open the door.
 
2013-01-11 11:07:24 AM
I love the Fark reaction to this.

OMGWTFBBQ?!?! This doesn't support my preconceived notions that I pulled out of my ass/mouth so there must be some sort of error!!ONE!11
 
2013-01-11 11:07:36 AM
The important thing to to take from this is that it is not how much you spend but how you spend it with regards to education.
 
2013-01-11 11:10:20 AM
list compiled by the U of Alabama?
 
2013-01-11 11:10:37 AM
Sooooooo.....

Is there any study that actually correlates this "Quality counts" index to actual improvement in student learning?

I don't think so, because "This year, we again see the influence of major national movements that promote college preparedness, including the Common Core State Standards Initiative and the federal Race to the Top program. Thirty-eight states have now defined college readiness, five more states than in 2011 and 18 more than in 2009."

so... if the state tries to "Race to the top" (of test mountain) ... a program designed by people who have never worked in education who will tell educators how to be better educators.... then that is a plus point. If the state has some kind of standard for college readiness ("Hey Vern, this gal has 2 teeth! one more than the state average, she's college ready!") it's a plus point.

"We see growth in the number of states offering students a pathway to a standard high school diploma that allows for career specialization".... This translates, in practice, to: The blah people will never pass tests, so they don't have to and can still get a HS diploma.

So, this whole "quality counts" ranking is, for the most part, pretty boooooooooooogus.
 
2013-01-11 11:10:50 AM
I don't see how Kentucky did it. Seriously, I've heard of several districts not having enough books for the kids.
 
2013-01-11 11:11:56 AM
#7 Georgia

Honey Boo Boo Be Damned!
 
2013-01-11 11:12:26 AM
Note that this index isn't a measurement of actual learning or scholastic achievement.

For that matter, actual scholastic achievement is a very small portion of the overall rankings.

School spending, "chance for success" (measuring the students' home life and income, among other things), and others are at least as important. Results count for less than 1/6 of the overall score.

Here's the kicker: the "K-12 Achievement" part gives Massachusetts a score of 85.9 - a "B" - for having 8th graders who mostly can't read at grade level (46% can) and slightly more than half who can do math (51% proficient)... and they're the highest-scoring state in that ranking. I think they gave a higher score than the obvious "F" because Massachusetts closed the poverty gap a little...
 
2013-01-11 11:12:53 AM
We moved here in this Vermont town because the school system was good.

Just got the letter saying grades 3-8 all fail at math. Free tutoring available (up to $1500 cost), but only to poor kids. I pay $5800 a year in property taxes. Now I am funding private tutoring to poor kids as well.

Fark off, hippies.
 
2013-01-11 11:13:31 AM

Silly Jesus: I love the Fark reaction to this.

OMGWTFBBQ?!?! This doesn't support my preconceived notions that I pulled out of my ass/mouth so there must be some sort of error!!ONE!11


maddogdelta: Sooooooo.....

Is there any study that actually correlates this "Quality counts" index to actual improvement in student learning?

I don't think so, because "This year, we again see the influence of major national movements that promote college preparedness, including the Common Core State Standards Initiative and the federal Race to the Top program. Thirty-eight states have now defined college readiness, five more states than in 2011 and 18 more than in 2009."

so... if the state tries to "Race to the top" (of test mountain) ... a program designed by people who have never worked in education who will tell educators how to be better educators.... then that is a plus point. If the state has some kind of standard for college readiness ("Hey Vern, this gal has 2 teeth! one more than the state average, she's college ready!") it's a plus point.

"We see growth in the number of states offering students a pathway to a standard high school diploma that allows for career specialization".... This translates, in practice, to: The blah people will never pass tests, so they don't have to and can still get a HS diploma.

So, this whole "quality counts" ranking is, for the most part, pretty boooooooooooogus.

 
2013-01-11 11:13:48 AM

maddogdelta: So, this whole "quality counts" ranking is, for the most part, pretty boooooooooooogus.


To me it smells like a bunch of policymakers patting each other on the backs. A link to the author's content on that site lends to that notion.
 
2013-01-11 11:15:50 AM

Thunderpipes: We moved here in this Vermont town because the school system was good.

Just got the letter saying grades 3-8 all fail at math. Free tutoring available (up to $1500 cost), but only to poor kids. I pay $5800 a year in property taxes. Now I am funding private tutoring to poor kids as well.

Fark off, hippies.


Spread the wealth, man.
 
2013-01-11 11:16:11 AM
Education Week is clearly a right wing rag that is trying to Jesus our children!
 
2013-01-11 11:16:56 AM

meat0918: Is this similar to that other one that included teacher's unions as a negative in their ratings ?


Couldn't be or else WV wouldn't have ranked so high. Teachers' unions rule the education system here.
 
2013-01-11 11:16:59 AM

Shadowtag: We're...not at the bottom! Go Cali.


Heck, with the curve we should have a solid 'B'.
 
2013-01-11 11:17:27 AM

loonatic112358: OddLlama: Arkansas with a B? Someone is fudging numbers.

It's likely not the numbers, but possibly the curriculum. I'd like to see a comparison of the average curriculum taught by the states, vs their grades.


My girlfriend has a daughter in the fifth grade and I am currently attending the University of Arkansas fort smith. I reside in Oklahoma. By my anecdotal evidence,and very scientific calculations, we can all safely assume that no two dumber states exist.
 
2013-01-11 11:19:36 AM

QueenMamaBee: I don't see how Kentucky did it. Seriously, I've heard of several districts not having enough books for the kids.


yea, I have no idea how KY is 10 on that list.
 
2013-01-11 11:20:10 AM
I work in education in Arkansas and I would just like to add... LOL
 
2013-01-11 11:20:19 AM

CipollinaFan: facisto: Wow. Go Maryland.

They are usually number one.

/Suck it Virginia


Hey, at least we don't have to live in Maryland.
 
2013-01-11 11:21:28 AM

OddLlama: loonatic112358: OddLlama: Arkansas with a B? Someone is fudging numbers.

It's likely not the numbers, but possibly the curriculum. I'd like to see a comparison of the average curriculum taught by the states, vs their grades.

My girlfriend has a daughter in the fifth grade and I am currently attending the University of Arkansas fort smith. I reside in Oklahoma. By my anecdotal evidence,and very scientific calculations, we can all safely assume that no two dumber states exist.


Thank Dog for Mississippi
 
2013-01-11 11:21:41 AM
Ohio and Kentucky! Fark Yeah.

/Cincinnati
//B average student
 
2013-01-11 11:21:52 AM
Number 1. That says a lot about the other districts in MD not named Prince Georges County or Baltimore City, they must really be top-notch to carry those two rusty anchors.
 
2013-01-11 11:23:28 AM
Proud of NJ.

/wow, those are three words you don't see too often together.
 
2013-01-11 11:24:57 AM

This text is now purple: KatjaMouse: How do you expect to make it into William & Mary/Georgetown/UVA/VT

Open the door.


UVA-like typing detected.
 
2013-01-11 11:25:03 AM
I think it's pretty telling that there are no "A's". I bet China gets an "A". Well, I mean the kids in China that aren't making my Nikes.
 
2013-01-11 11:25:44 AM
New Mexico thanks Los Alamos for putting us in the average category
 
2013-01-11 11:25:57 AM
Georgia is #7? Really? This is the same state that had a huge scandal with teachers basically taking the standardized tests for their kids because 'there was nothing to work with' in the Atlanta public schools?

That being said, there are some really good public schools in the state (Walton High), but there are lots of others that are pretty much day cares.
 
2013-01-11 11:26:30 AM

Silly Jesus: I love the Fark reaction to this.

OMGWTFBBQ?!?! This doesn't support my preconceived notions that I pulled out of my ass/mouth so there must be some sort of error!!ONE!11


This.
 
2013-01-11 11:27:39 AM

hasty ambush: The important thing to to take from this is that it is not how much you spend but how you spend it with regards to education.


But it's also important to realize that the report was built specifically to generate this result. It automatically "Corrects for" educational financing... somehow.

I've had great conversations here on fark about the nature of education and I'm now partial to the theory that the single biggest predictor for "good outcomes" in education is Combined Parental Income. Everything else washes away with that bad boy. Kids end up in better neighborhoods, parents have the pick of the school district litter and are usually more mobile than less affluent counterparts. This causes a self-selection bias in certain school districts. The "good ones" get better. The "bad ones" get worse. Additionally, wealthy parentage correlates with familial focus on education, and reinforces that lesson by demonstrating an achieved level of success in conjuction with the message. "Education is important. Look at me and your mother." Add in private and charter schools to the equation and many other factors become either negligible, or encapsulated within that sampling.
 
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