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2013-01-11 02:35:10 PM
5 votes:

bluelime: So just to be clear, your stance is that, until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, anything other than what you believe is wrong and people who believe it are stupid?


I think the more correct picture is that atheists of this stripe have found a defective, or at least insufficient, thought process with respect to what it takes to believe something is true, or likely true, in the case of theists. This can be expressed as a "burden of proof" problem, but I think is more adequately expressed by saying that the theists simply care less about what is actually true with respect to their religious beliefs. In the end, theists maintain a personal conviction, yet are incapable of adequately explaining why they think what they believe is true (except the rare few who completely admit they have no good reason yet prefer it anyway). Most logical arguments for god are created ex post facto of believing, and so lack any actual weight, and the general atheist audience probably isn't going to be heavily swayed by arguments from personal experience, as they tend to come off a little crazy.
2013-01-11 11:08:27 AM
4 votes:

Richard C Stanford: rtaylor92: jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.

by default, those not believing in supernatural deities with as much proof of their existence as Harry Potter or any other literary fictional character, have a right to feel superior. Sorry, thems the breaks for believing in crazy.

And while we're here, I'd love to better understand what grounds religious people would have to not respect an atheists fact-based belief system.

See, this is why Militant Atheists are just as bad as fundamentalists. They both treat anyone with different believes as ignorant scum and both believe they're superior to everyone else.


The difference is that fundamentalists base their opinion on an even more ridiculous and retarded belief than the common religious people. The atheists on the other hand, base their opinion on fact, logic and common sense.

The fact is that there is zero evidence for the existence God while there is plenty of evidence from all fields of science that prove that all religion consists of fairytales and falsehoods made up by man, from archeological, historical and philological studies that have pointed out the falsehoods in the bible, to (evolutionary) psychology, sociology, physics, astronomy etc. Not to mention basic common sense and logic and simple fact that the Bible is so full of contradictions. There is no evidence nor real argument for the existence of God.

There is so much evidence and so many good arguments against it, that for anyone who bothers to think about it, the likelihood of a God existing and/or the Bible being the true word of God is so close to zero that you might just call it zero and get it over with.

So, why should I respect an adult who believes in God any more than an adult who still believes in Santa Claus? There is no difference between the two. There really isn't. Both are equally ridiculous. For the sake of politeness and social conventions I do my best not to ridicule religious people unless they start themselves, but respect for their opinions is not in any way necessary any more.

A few hundred years ago, in more ignorant times, it might have a been matter of opinion against opinion. But this is 2013.
Any person who had a basic education and has access to a library or the internet, yet still choses to believe in fairytales and invisible skywizards, is not in any way worthy of respect. He is someone who willingly choses to remain ignorant because he is too afraid to face his own fears.
2013-01-11 10:24:17 AM
4 votes:

Nabb1: gshepnyc: jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.

Sorry, pursuing a view of the universe and our place in it based on reason, evidence, scrutiny and skepticism is NOT equally weighted with pursuing the same based on a personal relationship with a mystical, mythological being who can allegedly suspend the laws of nature to suit his adherent's needs.

You are entitled to believe in total horseshiat if you want to but you are out of your mind to expect that that entitles you to respect. Quite the opposite, actually. Especially when you use that horseshiat to try and shape policy, affect the lives of non-believers and the like.

You have to be fairly narrow-minded to think that scientific understanding and faith are mutually exclusive in all situations.  There are many people of science who embrace faith and vice versa.


Even completely ignoring the debate about whether God exists or not, if you can read the Bible and come away with the conclusion that the God described therein is worthy of anything more than our disgust and revulsion, then you're seriously lacking in critical thinking abilities
2013-01-11 09:43:25 AM
4 votes:
The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.
2013-01-11 06:55:36 PM
3 votes:

Snowflake Tubbybottom: And who said it did? You took a hell of a long road in circumventing that you have faith Wyoming exists, having never seeing it yourself.


I don't require faith to know Wyoming exists. Faith is defined as a belief not based on facts. I can see Wyoming on a map. I can talk to people that have been there. I can check satellite pictures of Wyoming. These are facts I can gather just sitting at my computer. If I wanted to, I could prove it exists:
Hypothesis: Wyoming exists
Test: Get on an airplane to Wyoming. Confirm via GPS.
Result: Wyoming exists.

Let's do the same with God:
Hypothesis: God exists
Test: ?

So let's not be pedantic enough to travel down this road.
2013-01-11 10:41:09 AM
3 votes:

Nabb1: Well, don't we seem rather sure of ourselves?  Which version of the Bible, as in which translation?  There are a myriad of translations out there.  The Bible was written by human beings, trying to sort out their understanding of God.  I suppose if you take a certain version and read and interpret everything literally, you might develop a rigid opinion, but then that's also what leads to fundamentalism.



Can you find me a version of the Bible in which God doesn't regularly command his followers to kill thousands of people? Or one which doesn't condone slavery? One in which he doesn't outright state that he's a jealous God?

Maybe you can find one in which he never decided to kill virtually everything that lived on the planet because he was disappointed with how his creations turned out?

It really doesn't matter which version you pick, the God they describe is petty, vengeful, and downright repulsive.
2013-01-11 10:39:11 AM
3 votes:

jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.


Here's the thing. We don't give a shiat if you take us seriously or not. However, we will do whatever it takes to ensure that the rest of us don't have to live our lives to abide by whatever your invisible friend tells you how you think we should live our lives. We also will do whatever it takes to stop you from forcing schools from teaching our children Christian mythology as history and "my invisible friend did it" as science.

We don't want your approval. We just what you to shut the fark up.
2013-01-11 10:04:21 AM
3 votes:

rtaylor92: jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.

by default, those not believing in supernatural deities with as much proof of their existence as Harry Potter or any other literary fictional character, have a right to feel superior. Sorry, thems the breaks for believing in crazy.

And while we're here, I'd love to better understand what grounds religious people would have to not respect an atheists fact-based belief system.


A great many religious people respect the views of many other beliefs, including atheism.  Act respectful of others, and they may return the courtesy.  Those that don't return the courtesy are likely narrow-minded zealots with a lot of insecurities who need to feel validated by mocking and demeaning people who don't think like they do.
2013-01-11 09:46:24 AM
3 votes:

EfiniX: Came for the Caucasian comment. Not disappointed. I wonder how the typical Breitbart reader would respond to a big-nosed, dark-skinned Jesus?


When bigoted christians make comments about Jews I like to point out that Jesus lived his whole life as an orthodox Jewish rabbi
2013-01-11 01:59:32 PM
2 votes:
I love the way atheists, who don't claim to know any answers and don't think that we are so special that we deserve answers, are "arrogant".

But religious people, who claim to know all the answers and who attack other lines of thoughts because we cannot provide answers to all their questions, are "not arrogant".

/methinks religious people don't understand what the word arrogant means
2013-01-11 11:08:15 AM
2 votes:

Nabb1: someonelse: Nabb1: someonelse: Will there be animal sacrifice and menstrual huts?

There's no room for animal sacrifice in modern society, but I could buy into menstrual huts.

Seriously, if the man cave can be a thing now, why can't we make the ladies lounge a trend? I envision a room full of super comfy sofas and lounge chairs, a mini fridge full of white wine, and a constantly restocked cabinet of Motrin. Also a big screen TV and the complete Downton Abbey on blu ray. Be quiet, my stories are on.

Chocolate.  Do not forget the chocolate.


My conspiracy theory is that this already exists in women bathrooms. It just takes two women to activate the secret door in the bathrooms. This is why they always go to the bathroom in pairs.
2013-01-11 10:39:49 AM
2 votes:
oblig-ish
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2013-01-11 10:30:17 AM
2 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Nabb1: gshepnyc: jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.

Sorry, pursuing a view of the universe and our place in it based on reason, evidence, scrutiny and skepticism is NOT equally weighted with pursuing the same based on a personal relationship with a mystical, mythological being who can allegedly suspend the laws of nature to suit his adherent's needs.

You are entitled to believe in total horseshiat if you want to but you are out of your mind to expect that that entitles you to respect. Quite the opposite, actually. Especially when you use that horseshiat to try and shape policy, affect the lives of non-believers and the like.

You have to be fairly narrow-minded to think that scientific understanding and faith are mutually exclusive in all situations.  There are many people of science who embrace faith and vice versa.

Even completely ignoring the debate about whether God exists or not, if you can read the Bible and come away with the conclusion that the God described therein is worthy of anything more than our disgust and revulsion, then you're seriously lacking in critical thinking abilities


Well, don't we seem rather sure of ourselves?  Which version of the Bible, as in which translation?  There are a myriad of translations out there.  The Bible was written by human beings, trying to sort out their understanding of God.  I suppose if you take a certain version and read and interpret everything literally, you might develop a rigid opinion, but then that's also what leads to fundamentalism.
2013-01-11 10:15:02 AM
2 votes:

rtaylor92: jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.

by default, those not believing in supernatural deities with as much proof of their existence as Harry Potter or any other literary fictional character, have a right to feel superior. Sorry, thems the breaks for believing in crazy.

And while we're here, I'd love to better understand what grounds religious people would have to not respect an atheists fact-based belief system.


See, this is why Militant Atheists are just as bad as fundamentalists. They both treat anyone with different believes as ignorant scum and both believe they're superior to everyone else.
2013-01-11 10:13:57 AM
2 votes:

Nabb1: A great many religious people respect the views of many other beliefs, including atheism.


I knew you were all right, Nabb.

Here's the thing... I'm not gonna say a word of what I do or don't believe. What I will say is I was brought up to respect people and not ridicule their beliefs or disbeliefs. It's actually not that hard.

But we all know where this thread will go. Train's never late.
2013-01-11 10:01:52 AM
2 votes:

rtaylor92: jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.

by default, those not believing in supernatural deities with as much proof of their existence as Harry Potter or any other literary fictional character, have a right to feel superior. Sorry, thems the breaks for believing in crazy.

And while we're here, I'd love to better understand what grounds religious people would have to not respect an atheists fact-based belief system.


99.9% of the 'facts' atheists believe in have never been independently verified by themselves, so such belief is as faith-based as anything else.
2013-01-11 09:52:02 AM
2 votes:
On the next exciting episode of The Bible: The Begats
2013-01-11 09:50:25 AM
2 votes:

kid_icarus: As portrayed by middle-eastern Caucasians.


Been a devout Christian my entire life. I can't stand it when I see pictures of "White Jesus."
2013-01-11 09:40:10 AM
2 votes:
Came for the Caucasian comment. Not disappointed. I wonder how the typical Breitbart reader would respond to a big-nosed, dark-skinned Jesus?
2013-01-11 09:25:06 AM
2 votes:
As portrayed by middle-eastern Caucasians.
2013-01-12 10:37:36 AM
1 votes:

PIP_the_TROLL: Who owes you evidence?


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We 'religious twats' are talking about things that are the literal definition of 'Transcendent'.

If you're so arrogant, so self-absorbed, so full of hubris that a deity of any sort needs to prostrate themselves in front of you in order for you to believe that you're *not* the center of the universe, then there's hardly any point.


What about those of us who can't make ourselves believe in things that we have no reason to believe in? If you believe in your god despite the utter lack of evidence, then why do you believe in that specific god? Why not any of the other million silly things people have made up in the course of human history.

The problem is that to me, your religion is no more real than the story about Jack and the beanstalk. If you think this has anything to do with hubris or massive egos (as your post more than suggests), then you simply do not understand why people do not believe in your specific fairy tale / religion.

I do not believe in gods because I have never in my life seen any reason to do so. Period. It's not about hubris or arrogance, it's about reason.
2013-01-11 11:02:56 PM
1 votes:
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/204 comments and no warning label jpg?
//Fark, I am dissapoint
///Now to read the thread...
2013-01-11 09:47:49 PM
1 votes:

jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.


It will never be tired so long as it remains accurate.
2013-01-11 07:52:16 PM
1 votes:

PIP_the_TROLL: The most widely used version of the Bible is the KJV, and the assertions made in it do a pretty good job of laying out the world we live in and how we got here.


media.comicvine.com

Light created on the first day. - The cause of light - stars and the sun, created on the fourth day

I can continue with more examples of the literally thousands of contradictions, and hundreds of historical, and scientific errors contained in the bible if you'd like.
2013-01-11 07:39:11 PM
1 votes:
You misunderstand me. I'm merely holding you to the same standard you purport to hold people of faith. Since it's really Christians that most western atheists have a problem with, let's assume that's the belief system you're attacking. The most widely used version of the Bible is the KJV, and the assertions made in it do a pretty good job of laying out the world we live in and how we got here.

Now, if modern science disputes some of it, that's all well and good. But the 'evidence' from both physical and verbal history far older and even more widespread. The foundation of the 'evidence' you claim informs your decisions is new and has rewritten itself thousands of times in its short lifetime.

So if science can't even agree (evidentially) about things it's had hundreds of years and hundreds of thousands of experiments to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt, how is any hard and fast belief in it anything more than faith?

Your belief in the 'facts' (which from the perspective of most people is nothing but hearsay) is no more valid than ancient romans believing going to bed with boots on would give you a boy or insufficient bile being the cause of everything under the sun. They heard it from lots of learned men and it was written down all sorts of places as fact.
2013-01-11 07:07:05 PM
1 votes:

Sarsin: Hypothesis: Wyoming exists
Test: Get on an airplane to Wyoming. Confirm via GPS.
Result: Wyoming exists.


I didn't claim Wyoming didn't exist, but I don't require empirical proof that it does either. I'm quite happy to believe that it does.

Atheists claim that the validity of their disbelief is that they refuse to believe in anything without empirical proof. Since empiricism can only truly be satisfied on a first-hand basis (and even then it could be a hallucination), anything short of vigorous testing of every single belief they hold makes them a hypocrite.

Your'e not supposed to believe. You're supposed to know beyond the shadow of any doubt based on empirical evidence collected by yourself. Otherwise it's just hearsay and blind faith.
2013-01-11 06:03:11 PM
1 votes:
There is more evidence of the existence of global warming/climate change than there is the existence of god.
2013-01-11 04:24:03 PM
1 votes:

Charlie Chingas: these people (both sides) remind me of apple customers...


imgs.xkcd.com

/oblig
2013-01-11 03:28:03 PM
1 votes:

Gone to Plaid: I can't help but feel that only an asshole would think any of this behavior is not only justified, but necessary...like it's a public service to show these people just how irrational and crazy they are, even though in every other facet of their lives they are just like you.


Yeah, this hardly ever happens. We're just arguing on the internet, here.

Gone to Plaid: /Agnostic
//Do we get lumped in with theist?


Generally you get lumped in with atheists unless there's a god you believe actually exists. If you want to get technical, "Agnostic" on its own is a useless distinction.

Felix_T_Cat: We don't deserve answers


I don't like that. It's looped past "humble" and come back around as "arrogant." Metaphysical claims about how much humanity may deserve or not deserve some metaphysical thing are loopy, anyway.
2013-01-11 03:18:08 PM
1 votes:

Gone to Plaid: Person A works with Person B for years, never knowing if they are religious or not. They are courteous and polite toward each other, swap stories on family life and even have the occasional weekend social with other coworkers. One day Person A happens to see Person B leaving a church/temple/synagogue.

If Person A is an atheist, is he now right in making the sweeping generalization that Person B is a crazy fundamentalist who wants to control other people's private lives? Would you think it is justified for Person A to suddenly treat Person B with disdain and disrespect at work? Mock him behind his back (coward's approach) or to his face (asshole's approach).

I can't help but feel that only an asshole would think any of this behavior is not only justified, but necessary...like it's a public service to show these people just how irrational and crazy they are, even though in every other facet of their lives they are just like you.

/Agnostic
//Do we get lumped in with theist?


Bwhahahahahahahahahaah!

So, have you ever seen an atheist do such a thing, given the scenario above? Because I haven't. On the other hand I have seen Person B lose their farking shiat when they discover Person A is an atheist.

Agnostics don't get lumped with theists they get lumped with cowards.
2013-01-11 03:15:33 PM
1 votes:

Farking Canuck: I love the way atheists, who don't claim to know any answers and don't think that we are so special that we deserve answers, are "arrogant".

But religious people, who claim to know all the answers and who attack other lines of thoughts because we cannot provide answers to all their questions, are "not arrogant".

/methinks religious people don't understand what the word arrogant means


We don't deserve answers... read Job without the happy ending :) But honestly, the people posting in this thread do claim to know. I would never use the word arrogant either. I would say 'hurt' is a better word. I wasn't arrogant so much as I felt betrayed. I didn't seek out people to bash their religion, but god help you if you brought it up.

Also Jesus didn't appear to be fond of religion. He often held it up as a stumbling block to relationship with God. The problem is that no one thinks that they are the Pharisee. He gave us some moral direction so that we wouldn't hurt ourselves or others; taught us how to access that relationship and gave us some goals to accomplish. People seem to have done a pretty poor job with the instructions ever since.

Pretty often people are smarting from an earlier instance with someone and bump into another person that they think apposes them on a topic. The new person gets the heat they can't direct at the previous person. The new person goes 'WTF' and he attacks the next person he perceives is on the other side on a topic. "Welcome to Fark" on a global scale throughout history. "Hey guys, what's going on in this..." WHACK "Oh motherfu...r, it's on now!"

I'm often annoyed by Christians. By claiming that label, they've got some pretty big shoes to fill. And only 40% of them even seem interested in trying.

/Love God, even if you don't get your way. Love your neighbor, even if it's inconvenient or hazardous.
2013-01-11 03:14:56 PM
1 votes:

neversubmit: Charlie Chingas: Farking Canuck: bluelime: Pincy: Burden of proof my friend.

So just to be clear, your stance is that, until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, anything other than what you believe is wrong and people who believe it are stupid?

Nobody suggests that anything can or needs to be proven beyond a doubt. Please do not suggest that we are asking for this.

What would be nice is even a scrap of evidence beyond "my mommy and daddy told me it is true".

In a way, religious people are not mocked for what they believe ... they are mocked for why they believe it.

'nough said.

christians believe what they believe because someone told them to, not because they chose it.

Cultural indoctrination, social programing, and it sorta works for them when a persons ideals cost more than benefit them they will change.


Yeap. You believe in what ever you're brought up. I think the reason it's hard for some people to stop believing is because they've become emotionally invested in their "beliefs" and don't want to come to terms with the fact that they were wrong in their "beliefs".
2013-01-11 03:14:24 PM
1 votes:
I can't wait to see the 30 second version...with bunnies.
2013-01-11 02:34:39 PM
1 votes:

Farking Canuck: bluelime: Pincy: Burden of proof my friend.

So just to be clear, your stance is that, until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, anything other than what you believe is wrong and people who believe it are stupid?

Nobody suggests that anything can or needs to be proven beyond a doubt. Please do not suggest that we are asking for this.

What would be nice is even a scrap of evidence beyond "my mommy and daddy told me it is true".

In a way, religious people are not mocked for what they believe ... they are mocked for why they believe it.


'nough said.

christians believe what they believe because someone told them to, not because they chose it.
2013-01-11 02:17:27 PM
1 votes:
"I love the way atheists, who don't claim to know any answers and don't think that we are so special that we deserve answers, are "arrogant"."

Don't you think that mocking Christians and being certain they are stupid and wrong is sort of claiming to know answers?
2013-01-11 01:39:39 PM
1 votes:
I can't wait for the scene where Moses commands his men to execute their defeated enemies and rape their virgin daughters.
2013-01-11 12:38:46 PM
1 votes:

jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.


Ya, I'll treat them the same way I treat people who believe in Big Foot, the Loch Ness Monster and Alien abductions, smile politely and hope they don't own firearms.
2013-01-11 12:33:25 PM
1 votes:

bluelime: Are there atheists that aren't arrogant a-holes? I'm starting to believe more in Santa than I believe in kind atheists. Seriously, it must exhausting being so arrogant.


Being right all the time IS exhausting, but it's worth it.
2013-01-11 12:26:32 PM
1 votes:

Karac: Felix_T_Cat: Having been an atheist, I still find 'Invisible Sky Wizard' hilarious. We giggle about it at church. Am also fond of 'Optimus Prime died for your sins.'

FWIW: The murdery rapey, incesty parts describe us as a people. (YMMV) Reporting, not condoning.

You're right. Yahweh did not condone the murder of all living things in the cities of Jericho, Ai, and other Canaanite cites by his Israelites.
He ordered it. He also ordered the murder of a man who disobeyed that command, along with the man's entire family.


Well, to be frank, Achan coveted and and stole what he wasn't supposed to. He hid so much gold and silver in his tent that his family couldn't have missed it. Achan wasn't standing up for principle, it was greed. When caught red handed, he did confess, but it was too late. He had put the rest of the camp at risk of infection from greed.

Sodom and Gomorrah were given time to repent, but they did not. "If there are 10 good people, I will stay my hand." "Collect your family and leave."

Nineveh repented and Jonah was pretty pissed about God forgiving them.

The Israelites were in danger of being corrupted by the surrounding corruption and they were. Luckily, finally Jesus.

Also, I don't have the exact verse in front of me, but Moses commands not to return runaway slaves, "For you yourselves were once slaves." So you have to be careful of context,

The thing is that most people think that they know what's being offered, but they don't. The church in the west is pretty ineffective at getting the actual message out. A lot of Christians don't seem to know their own bible. I make a lot of obscure scripture jokes and most church people have no idea what I'm referencing.

I recommend going to a bible study to find out what their understanding is. I didn't want to become a Christian, those guys are nuts. Another guy I met started coming to a bible study I attend because he was atheist and wanted to rescue us. I thought that was an awesome and loving thing for him to do. 6 months later he got baptized.

When I started attending a bible study, I said a lot of outrageous and combative things. They wouldn't fight with me. Sometimes they would explain, but sometimes there wasn't much they could say about my vitriol. They just invited me back and kept going with the study. I'm glad I kept going. I found out that I 'didn't know what I thought I did.'

Really, my problem was confirmation bias. "God's a big old meany!" ...snip... ...snip... ...snip... see? They took the time to explain the context and historical situation.

Cheers
2013-01-11 12:04:17 PM
1 votes:
The article is meh. The comments are gold, so those of you who have an aversion to Breitbart should read them for the Derp.

FTFC: The Bible is about Jesus Christ start to finish

/Sorry about that, my Jewish friends.
2013-01-11 11:51:58 AM
1 votes:
Sorry, but I don't watch enough South Park to get the reference.
2013-01-11 11:49:35 AM
1 votes:

grxymkjbn: Nabb1: Most of the people who argue here and slag other people are just petty, small-minded types.

Defending Christianity is akin to defending racism and other forms of bigotry. It's indefensible to anyone who has a rational, coherent ethical system.

I don't go through the streets shouting "Your bigotry makes me sick!", nor do I go into churches to disrupt their rituals; but actively defending something as wrong as religion betrays a warped sense of morality, IMO.


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2013-01-11 11:35:04 AM
1 votes:

grxymkjbn: Nabb1: Okay, so all those Christian churches that were instrumental in the Civil Rights Movement were akin to racism and bigotry? It seems to me you may have some bigotry issues of your own to sort out.

They were behaving contrary to their professed beliefs, as religionists most often do.


They were behaving contrary to what you think their professed beliefs are.  It just seems to me you have an extreme disdain for all religious people, and that's pretty bigoted, in my opinion.
2013-01-11 11:31:26 AM
1 votes:

Nabb1: grxymkjbn: Nabb1: Most of the people who argue here and slag other people are just petty, small-minded types.

Defending Christianity is akin to defending racism and other forms of bigotry. It's indefensible to anyone who has a rational, coherent ethical system.

Okay, so all those Christian churches that were instrumental in the Civil Rights Movement were akin to racism and bigotry?  It seems to me you may have some bigotry issues of your own to sort out.


And Gandhi thought that black people were subhuman. It's quite possible to do good in one field while still being bigoted in another.
2013-01-11 11:30:42 AM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Okay, so all those Christian churches that were instrumental in the Civil Rights Movement were akin to racism and bigotry? It seems to me you may have some bigotry issues of your own to sort out.


They were behaving contrary to their professed beliefs, as religionists most often do. Slavery is ordained in the bible - and not in some vague 'metaphorical' sense.

I think that the 'discussion' graphic posted above is a good guide for discussions of this nature. Would you agree with that statement?
2013-01-11 11:22:02 AM
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Felix_T_Cat: Having been an atheist, I still find 'Invisible Sky Wizard' hilarious. We giggle about it at church. Am also fond of 'Optimus Prime died for your sins.'

FWIW: The murdery rapey, incesty parts describe us as a people. (YMMV) Reporting, not condoning.


You're right. Yahweh did not condone the murder of all living things in the cities of Jericho, Ai, and other Canaanite cites by his Israelites.
He ordered it. He also ordered the murder of a man who disobeyed that command, along with the man's entire family.
2013-01-11 11:12:33 AM
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Having been an atheist, I still find 'Invisible Sky Wizard' hilarious. We giggle about it at church. Am also fond of 'Optimus Prime died for your sins.'

FWIW: The murdery rapey, incesty parts describe us as a people. (YMMV) Reporting, not condoning. You're supposed to be appalled, even when the guy cut up the girl and sent parts to the tribes. "Really God? You're trying to save us through _those_ people?" Yep, that's humanity all over. Look at the news, that's who we are.

David was a murder and an adulterer. Yet he was 'a man after God's heart', because he always repented. Not everybody repents. God showing up in the flesh didn't convince some people to repent.

Am also fond of the Apocrypha. It's got dragons and everything.
2013-01-11 11:09:18 AM
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Nabb1: How do you know all of those stories are literal accounts of factual occurrences?  How do you know many of may very well be parables and allegory?  How do you know some of what was written was merely the writer's attempt to rationalize preconceived notions about the world as opposed to an understanding of the nature of God?  Human understanding evolves and changes, and no one is perfect.  Theology is as much philosophy as anything else.  If you aren't going to look deeper into scripture than what is on the fact of the literal text, you aren't approaching it in a very thoughtful manner, IMO.  And maybe you aren't interested enough to try it, and that's fine, but don't assume your sweeping generalizations are anything more than reactionary as opposed to the product of any real intellectual work.


So, essentially, what you're saying is that, in order not to come to the conclusion that god is a repugnant character, you have to read the text of the Bible and then assume that it means something completely different to what it actually says?

Aren't you, at that point, just making up your own supreme being and assigning it the characteristics that you'd like it to have?
2013-01-11 11:05:56 AM
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someonelse: Nabb1: someonelse: Will there be animal sacrifice and menstrual huts?

There's no room for animal sacrifice in modern society, but I could buy into menstrual huts.

Seriously, if the man cave can be a thing now, why can't we make the ladies lounge a trend? I envision a room full of super comfy sofas and lounge chairs, a mini fridge full of white wine, and a constantly restocked cabinet of Motrin. Also a big screen TV and the complete Downton Abbey on blu ray. Be quiet, my stories are on.


Chocolate.  Do not forget the chocolate.
2013-01-11 11:04:40 AM
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Burr: Nabb1: someonelse: Will there be animal sacrifice and menstrual huts?

There's no room for animal sacrifice in modern society, but I could buy into menstrual huts.

Man caves, garages, and bars are menstrual huts in a reverse sense. Instead of forcing the women away during this time, the men just hide in these areas until the time has passed.


Good point. I still like the lounge idea, though.
2013-01-11 10:59:54 AM
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Nabb1: someonelse: Will there be animal sacrifice and menstrual huts?

There's no room for animal sacrifice in modern society, but I could buy into menstrual huts.


Seriously, if the man cave can be a thing now, why can't we make the ladies lounge a trend? I envision a room full of super comfy sofas and lounge chairs, a mini fridge full of white wine, and a constantly restocked cabinet of Motrin. Also a big screen TV and the complete Downton Abbey on blu ray. Be quiet, my stories are on.
2013-01-11 10:55:20 AM
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jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.


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2013-01-11 10:51:16 AM
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Uncle Tractor: jjwars1: It's about respect. Why would you expect religious people to respect you if you refer to their God as a "skywizard?". (maybe not you, but atheists as a generalization). From my experience, people learn and form better relationships when they aren't party to people who act douchy or superior regardless of who is right or wrong. A display of true honorable character will win more people over than a display of douche-nozzle superiority. You must earn respect as opposed to demanding it solely because your opinion is the "right" opinion to have.

Yeah, about earning respect ...

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Also, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

So you concede that the Flying Spaghetti Monster might be real? Sorry, but no. Make claims as ludicrous as those in the Bible and you'd better have a way to back them up.

The belief that there is a higher entity out there that one might consider a god is not that far fetched.

Yes, it is that far-fetched.

Worshipping a god who likes animal sacrifices seems a little strange though.

No more strange than anything else in religion.


If you really think your little cartoon represents the opinions of all Christians towards atheists, you're just as narrow-minded and prejudiced as the people that cartoon portrays.  And sure, there are plenty of narrow-minded Christians out there, but if you think that's the way all of them are, well, you're not much different.  You're just wearing a different label.
2013-01-11 10:49:06 AM
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DammitIForgotMyLogin: Nabb1: Well, don't we seem rather sure of ourselves?  Which version of the Bible, as in which translation?  There are a myriad of translations out there.  The Bible was written by human beings, trying to sort out their understanding of God.  I suppose if you take a certain version and read and interpret everything literally, you might develop a rigid opinion, but then that's also what leads to fundamentalism.


Can you find me a version of the Bible in which God doesn't regularly command his followers to kill thousands of people? Or one which doesn't condone slavery? One in which he doesn't outright state that he's a jealous God?

Maybe you can find one in which he never decided to kill virtually everything that lived on the planet because he was disappointed with how his creations turned out?

It really doesn't matter which version you pick, the God they describe is petty, vengeful, and downright repulsive.


How do you know all of those stories are literal accounts of factual occurrences?  How do you know many of may very well be parables and allegory?  How do you know some of what was written was merely the writer's attempt to rationalize preconceived notions about the world as opposed to an understanding of the nature of God?  Human understanding evolves and changes, and no one is perfect.  Theology is as much philosophy as anything else.  If you aren't going to look deeper into scripture than what is on the fact of the literal text, you aren't approaching it in a very thoughtful manner, IMO.  And maybe you aren't interested enough to try it, and that's fine, but don't assume your sweeping generalizations are anything more than reactionary as opposed to the product of any real intellectual work.
2013-01-11 10:37:24 AM
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rtaylor92: jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.

by default, those not believing in supernatural deities with as much proof of their existence as Harry Potter or any other literary fictional character, have a right to feel superior. Sorry, thems the breaks for believing in crazy.

And while we're here, I'd love to better understand what grounds religious people would have to not respect an atheists fact-based belief system.


It's about respect. Why would you expect religious people to respect you if you refer to their God as a "skywizard?". (maybe not you, but atheists as a generalization). From my experience, people learn and form better relationships when they aren't party to people who act douchy or superior regardless of who is right or wrong. A display of true honorable character will win more people over than a display of douche-nozzle superiority. You must earn respect as opposed to demanding it solely because your opinion is the "right" opinion to have.

Also, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The belief that there is a higher entity out there that one might consider a god is not that far fetched. Worshipping a god who likes animal sacrifices seems a little strange though.
2013-01-11 10:27:08 AM
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2013-01-11 10:25:59 AM
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I hope they show the part where you burn in Hell for wearing 2 different types of cloth, eating meat of an animal with cloven hoofs, and are allowed to take wives as spoils of war.
2013-01-11 10:24:00 AM
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Before the discussion, we need to settle the ground rules.

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2013-01-11 10:18:23 AM
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gshepnyc: jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.

Sorry, pursuing a view of the universe and our place in it based on reason, evidence, scrutiny and skepticism is NOT equally weighted with pursuing the same based on a personal relationship with a mystical, mythological being who can allegedly suspend the laws of nature to suit his adherent's needs.

You are entitled to believe in total horseshiat if you want to but you are out of your mind to expect that that entitles you to respect. Quite the opposite, actually. Especially when you use that horseshiat to try and shape policy, affect the lives of non-believers and the like.


You have to be fairly narrow-minded to think that scientific understanding and faith are mutually exclusive in all situations.  There are many people of science who embrace faith and vice versa.
2013-01-11 10:15:40 AM
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jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.


Sorry, pursuing a view of the universe and our place in it based on reason, evidence, scrutiny and skepticism is NOT equally weighted with pursuing the same based on a personal relationship with a mystical, mythological being who can allegedly suspend the laws of nature to suit his adherent's needs.

You are entitled to believe in total horseshiat if you want to but you are out of your mind to expect that that entitles you to respect. Quite the opposite, actually. Especially when you use that horseshiat to try and shape policy, affect the lives of non-believers and the like.
2013-01-11 10:04:53 AM
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jjwars1: The skywizard thing is old and tired. Atheists, if you want religious folks to respect your opinion and take you seriously you'll have to quit acting like you are the superior supreme being douche, and treat them with the same amount of respect as you command.


whoever said they wanted respect? their belief is the right one!
2013-01-11 10:03:14 AM
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So this is gonna be a fantasy series.
2013-01-11 09:46:25 AM
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DammitIForgotMyLogin: jjwars1: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Rated (R) for scenes of extreme violence and nudity

Plus incest!

And let's not forget all the rapes. It seems God(TM) really likes seeing people get raped.


God really likes rape.
2013-01-11 09:44:20 AM
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kid_icarus: As portrayed by middle-eastern Caucasians.


Middle-eastern Caucasians with British accents.
2013-01-11 09:43:54 AM
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jjwars1: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Rated (R) for scenes of extreme violence and nudity

Plus incest!


And let's not forget all the rapes. It seems God(TM) really likes seeing people get raped.
2013-01-11 09:37:12 AM
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Rated (R) for scenes of extreme violence and nudity
 
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