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(CBC)   City's traffic engineers decide to install double lane traffic circle on a 56mph highway. Bonus points for the crosswalk   (cbc.ca) divider line 97
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2013-01-11 08:21:56 AM  
Subby does realize that traffic circles are safer and more energy efficient than traditional intersections, right?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-11 08:52:04 AM  
What they do is declare the project to have a design speed of 40 km/h, making it safe for pedestrians. Then they post the new road at 30 because it's city policy to post roads below design speed. After the road opens they notice drivers are still going at highway speed up to the circle. A few pedestrians get creamed, but the survivors learn fast. Photo radar vendor sees an opportunity and company executives retire off the revenue from all the people who miss the sign in the bushes marking the 70% drop in speed limit.
 
2013-01-11 08:52:18 AM  
www.clearpathtofitness.com
 
2013-01-11 09:01:45 AM  

Dinki: Subby does realize that traffic circles are safer and more energy efficient than traditional intersections, right?


Can't speak to New Brunswick, but if they tried that anywhere near Toronto I'm taking a lawn chair and a big bag of popcorn for the first few days.
The tried putting a few single lane circles near my Mom's... there were so many accidents they had to take them out.
 
2013-01-11 09:18:38 AM  

sno man: Can't speak to New Brunswick, but if they tried that anywhere near Toronto I'm taking a lawn chair and a big bag of popcorn for the first few days.The tried putting a few single lane circles near my Mom's... there were so many accidents they had to take them out.


There are tons of them in Kitchener Waterloo. You still find the occasional idiot who doesn't know how to work a two-lane roundabout, but it's a lot better than it used to be. My drive to work consists of two roundabouts and a bridge. Fark traffic lights.

/the secret with using a roundabout on an 80km/h road is to not use the roundabout at 80km/h
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-11 09:27:09 AM  
I actually use a double lane rotabout... roundary... circle.. whatever on my way to work, but it's superior in two ways to the one in the article:

1. Pedestrians are not encouraged to walk in front of 60 mph traffic.

2. The state will be removing it because it is too busy.
 
2013-01-11 09:37:24 AM  
Roundabouts ease heavy traffic?

lmao
 
2013-01-11 09:38:02 AM  
I'm okay with having more roundabouts in Toronto, but they have to educate the general public on how to use them properly. We didn't grow up with roundabouts, so as a result, most people haven't a clue how to navigate them.
 
2013-01-11 09:38:04 AM  

Dinki: Subby does realize that traffic circles are safer and more energy efficient than traditional intersections, right?


unless you take into account how stupid most people are. Then they're virtual death traps

/I fully believe that being a bad driver makes you a bad person
 
2013-01-11 09:38:23 AM  

Dinki: Subby does realize that traffic circles are safer and more energy efficient than traditional intersections, right?


If it's got as much traffic as most highways you really shouldn't have street level crosswalks, though. That's too much information for drivers to process. Build a footbridge.
 
2013-01-11 09:38:26 AM  
Roundabouts: Because nobody just wants to turn left.
 
2013-01-11 09:38:52 AM  
They just installed a traffic circle in my area last year and it's fun to watch new Yorkers stop in the traffic circle to let merging traffic in negating the use of a traffic circle
 
2013-01-11 09:40:18 AM  
They would have to build 2 to 4 'crosswalks' depending on how they do it.

Roundabouts are a good idea.
 
2013-01-11 09:41:17 AM  
Meh, that's normal.. Sadly where I live they removed most of the circles that once dominated the area

/born and raised in South Jersey..
 
2013-01-11 09:41:52 AM  
Based upon my experience driving Greyhound buses, Canadian roundabout posted speeds were Mach 4.
 
2013-01-11 09:43:15 AM  
\CSB

I was in Cozumel with friends and we decided to take our rented motor scooters to the far side of the island. We got ripped to the gills on Mexican beer and shrooms. On the way back into town in the dark, we hit a traffic roundabout. Since it was Friday night, traffic was busy. We all went around about 5-6 times until centrifugal force ejected us into the proper street. It was a frikkin' miracle that we didn't get creamed.
 
2013-01-11 09:44:17 AM  

Molavian: Roundabouts ease heavy traffic?

lmao


They certainly seem to fail just as hard in gridlock.
 
2013-01-11 09:44:43 AM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm okay with having more roundabouts in Toronto, but they have to educate the general public on how to use them properly. We didn't grow up with roundabouts, so as a result, most people haven't a clue how to navigate them.


The fundamental problem in North America is the base assumption that we yield to traffic coming from the right. (In other words, If you hit the passenger, you're in the clear. If you hit the driver, you're wrong). Roundabouts reverse this assumption.
 
2013-01-11 09:44:53 AM  
I live in a city infested with roundabouts, they are slowly ripping them out and replacing them with streetlights because they don't farking work well enough with high volumes of traffic. I farking hate roundabouts with a passion.
 
2013-01-11 09:46:54 AM  
Rather than crosswalks, maybe they should consider zip-lines.
 
2013-01-11 09:47:30 AM  
better than

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/or is it?
 
2013-01-11 09:48:34 AM  
56mph seems awfully specific, subby.
 
2013-01-11 09:48:47 AM  
 
2013-01-11 09:49:18 AM  
Roundabouts are extremely efficient given that people know how to farking drive.

That is to say, they aren't efficient at all.
 
2013-01-11 09:49:51 AM  
There's a traffic circle in Edmonton that has a fire station very near the edge. It's been there forever, but there's still drama to be had pretty frequently. Luckily there's a restaurant nearby with a great view.
 
2013-01-11 09:50:13 AM  

styckx: Meh, that's normal.. Sadly where I live they removed most of the circles that once dominated the area

/born and raised in South Jersey..



I was going to say that they took out the two circles on 73. They work, but only up to a certain amount of traffic, then you have to look at other options.
 
2013-01-11 09:50:53 AM  
Our county is due to get its first roundabout later this year. People around here barely know to work a 4-way stop, so I can't wait to see the accident count the first month.
 
2013-01-11 09:52:57 AM  
I live near a double lane rotabout... roundary... circle.. whatever and can tell you approximately 50% of the people that use it don't know how to use it correctly (that is, as indicated by the markings on the road). I routinely have people lock-up brakes and nearly t-bone me because they are trying to turn from the inside lane. See it happen to people on the opposite side as I wait in traffic too.

Other than that, the only thing that really bothers me about it is the way people insist on driving like they're part of a stunt team; driving onto the roundabout as close as possible to people driving across their entry road.

/a little patience and the whole thing runs smoother.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-11 09:56:33 AM  
brimed03

Canadian road, Candian funny measuring system. Must be 90 km/h.
 
2013-01-11 10:02:36 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Dinki: Subby does realize that traffic circles are safer and more energy efficient than traditional intersections, right?

unless you take into account how stupid most people are. Then they're virtual death traps

/I fully believe that being a bad driver makes you a bad person


citation needed.
 
2013-01-11 10:07:06 AM  

dai the flu: I routinely have people lock-up brakes and nearly t-bone me because they are trying to turn from the inside lane. See it happen to people on the opposite side as I wait in traffic too.


According to this handy graphic from the Washington State DOT, you do turn from an inside lane, across the outside lane (which presumably would have southbound traffic going straight).

www.wsdot.wa.gov

I always thought you only exit from the outside lane, I have no idea how these multi-lane roundabouts work, apparently.
 
2013-01-11 10:11:02 AM  
Traffic engineers must require a lobotomy before they start their careers, because they rarely create roads with any common sense or basis in reality.

I present to you Calgary's new Double Roundabout Spin-o-Rama! So new the Google maps picture hasn't updated yet:

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This monstrosity was developed to remove one traffic light on a busy roadway. Yes, you have to negotiate 2 traffic circles and a permanent detour to go straight Northbound or Southbound. . There was a big snowfall yesterday and I can only imagine the carnage this created.

All traffic engineers should be sentenced to drive on their creations daily for a period of at least 2 years before they are allowed to design anything else.
 
2013-01-11 10:20:52 AM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-01-11 10:21:52 AM  
Good Lord, how did I know this article was going to be about Fredericton?
I was home for the holidays and I've noticed that the traffic department has gotten a major boner fr roundabouts.
The top comments to the article are correct, drivers in Fredericton are amongst the dumbest in Canada. They need left turn signals ("protected lefts", as they're known there) any virtually every light in town, and even then, there are are ton of t-bone accidents n town. So, roundabouts seem to be a good alternative. The problem is, as mentioned above, Fredericton drivers are not very bright. They are having problems with the single-lane roundabouts that have been installed on the northside, Installing a roundabout on the Vanier Highway is a downright idiotic move. At least it wasn't Regent and Prospect *shudder*
 
2013-01-11 10:21:54 AM  
My commute to work contains a double lane roundabout. Speed limits are 40 and 50 mph depending on which direction you come from. When they first announced they were putting in a roundabout I thought it would be a disaster but it is pure awesomesauce. It's easily 1000x more efficient than a traffic light.

And let me tell you, if WA drivers can figure out a roundabout, anyone can. In Seattle we get traffic slowdowns for rain. Think about it.
 
2013-01-11 10:25:26 AM  
I forget which exit it is, but there's an off-ramp on 93 in MA that dumps directly into a roundabout. The off-ramp is pretty damn short so, of course, traffic builds up in the right lane on the highway as people wait to fit their cars into the roundabout.

There's also a double-lane roundabout outside the Manchester airport. It confused the ever living hell outta me. Thankfully, no one else was in the roundabout so I had time to slow down and read the faded painted arrows in the lanes.
 
2013-01-11 10:42:49 AM  

Ecobuckeye: dai the flu: I routinely have people lock-up brakes and nearly t-bone me because they are trying to turn from the inside lane. See it happen to people on the opposite side as I wait in traffic too.

According to this handy graphic from the Washington State DOT, you do turn from an inside lane, across the outside lane (which presumably would have southbound traffic going straight).

[www.wsdot.wa.gov image 545x547]

I always thought you only exit from the outside lane, I have no idea how these multi-lane roundabouts work, apparently.


You're right- I didn't explain my scenario correctly. Using your picture example (opposite for me because I'm in Aus), the problem I have is from people attempting to take the first exit on the right from the inside lane, putting them on a collision course with those traveling straight in the right-hand lane. I can only assume that they believe that the outside lane is supposed to take the first exit regardless (or just don't give a sh*t).
 
2013-01-11 10:46:19 AM  

aevorea: I forget which exit it is, but there's an off-ramp on 93 in MA that dumps directly into a roundabout. The off-ramp is pretty damn short so, of course, traffic builds up in the right lane on the highway as people wait to fit their cars into the roundabout.

There's also a double-lane roundabout outside the Manchester airport. It confused the ever living hell outta me. Thankfully, no one else was in the roundabout so I had time to slow down and read the faded painted arrows in the lanes.


Were things better when there was an actual light there? I can't imagine so. Roundabouts permit a more continual flow, at slower speed than full green light, but faster than the 0pmh of a red light. Slower can be faster and move more cars.
 
2013-01-11 10:48:09 AM  

dai the flu: I can only assume that they believe that the outside lane is supposed to take the first exit regardless (or just don't give a sh*t).


That's my assumption. I honked vigorously at someone for doing exactly this last night.
 
2013-01-11 10:50:11 AM  

Farktastic: Yes, you have to negotiate 2 traffic circles and a permanent detour to go straight Northbound or Southbound. .


I'm sure it's faster than it was before with the traffic lights stopping you for a minute or so every second time you crossed the intersection. What's your problem?
 
2013-01-11 11:02:10 AM  

sno man: Dinki: Subby does realize that traffic circles are safer and more energy efficient than traditional intersections, right?

Can't speak to New Brunswick, but if they tried that anywhere near Toronto I'm taking a lawn chair and a big bag of popcorn for the first few days.
The tried putting a few single lane circles near my Mom's... there were so many accidents they had to take them out.


I call BS on this. All kinds of them around the GTA that work fine. And if there are accidents, they're low-speed ones at least. No such thing as a fatal accident at a roundabout.
 
2013-01-11 11:03:51 AM  

Farktastic: Traffic engineers must require a lobotomy before they start their careers, because they rarely create roads with any common sense or basis in reality.

I present to you Calgary's new Double Roundabout Spin-o-Rama! So new the Google maps picture hasn't updated yet:

[i317.photobucket.com image 850x779]">
This monstrosity was developed to remove one traffic light on a busy roadway. Yes, you have to negotiate 2 traffic circles and a permanent detour to go straight Northbound or Southbound. . There was a big snowfall yesterday and I can only imagine the carnage this created.

All traffic engineers should be sentenced to drive on their creations daily for a period of at least 2 years before they are allowed to design anything else.


Tell me more about how one intersection has ruined your life...
 
2013-01-11 11:07:32 AM  

Dinki: Subby does realize that traffic circles are safer and more energy efficient than traditional intersections, right?


This assumes that Canadians can drive for shiat.
 
2013-01-11 11:12:36 AM  

Ecobuckeye: dai the flu: I routinely have people lock-up brakes and nearly t-bone me because they are trying to turn from the inside lane. See it happen to people on the opposite side as I wait in traffic too.

According to this handy graphic from the Washington State DOT, you do turn from an inside lane, across the outside lane (which presumably would have southbound traffic going straight).

[www.wsdot.wa.gov image 545x547]

I always thought you only exit from the outside lane, I have no idea how these multi-lane roundabouts work, apparently.


That's a horribly designed traffic circle. The 4 lane ones I've seen like that have the brown parts pushed inwards on two sides (generally in the flow of the heaviest traffic so one side all 4 lanes can go through, crossing that only 2 lanes can go straight through) they block off the outside lane. So the movement of that car would be the same, but the outside lane is forced to turn as well so you flow alongside a turner.
 
2013-01-11 11:15:16 AM  
It's pretty simple. If you only use the outside lane of a 2-lane circle to take the first exit (essentially a right-hand turn), then there is no possible way for you to cross over into inside-lane traffic leaving the circle.
 
2013-01-11 11:20:30 AM  

MayContainHorseGluten: Farktastic: Traffic engineers must require a lobotomy before they start their careers, because they rarely create roads with any common sense or basis in reality.

I present to you Calgary's new Double Roundabout Spin-o-Rama! So new the Google maps picture hasn't updated yet:

[i317.photobucket.com image 850x779]">
This monstrosity was developed to remove one traffic light on a busy roadway. Yes, you have to negotiate 2 traffic circles and a permanent detour to go straight Northbound or Southbound. . There was a big snowfall yesterday and I can only imagine the carnage this created.

All traffic engineers should be sentenced to drive on their creations daily for a period of at least 2 years before they are allowed to design anything else.

Tell me more about how one intersection has ruined your life...


It hasn't "ruined my life," but it is a expensive mess when there is room for a simple cloverleaf. There is no logic behind this. Build one bridge over the road. Add 4 exit loops. You do not have to waste urban space with 2 double lane roundabouts and a curved bridge that is half a km away. This is very is counter-intuitive to anyone navigating the intersection. Why would anyone expect to turn left and drive a significant distance to go straight? On top of that , the signs that support the double roundabout are poor. People are concentrating on the first roundabout when they see it, not trying to interpret the signs that poorly explain how to actually get onto Glenmore trail. This interchange is in a near constant state of paralysis because of the way it is built.

Roundabouts are good for some intersections, but Urban planners (I know a few) are just as bad as interior decorators when it comes to fads. "Roundabouts are popular now, so let's put them everywhere!"
 
2013-01-11 11:23:47 AM  
Look kids, Big Ben...Parlament
 
2013-01-11 11:32:35 AM  
Is this a Canadian thing or something? My town has had an increase in roundabouts, and naturally they are designed with little practical sense at all

/proving again that engineers are bat shiat insane
//and I do agree that roundabouts are a good choice, when the situation calls for it, this ifs like putting a stop light in the middle a one way street with no intersections save for the entrance and exits on either end
///maybe they got bored and did it because they can?
 
2013-01-11 11:36:29 AM  
Roundabout ≠ traffic circle
 
2013-01-11 11:38:56 AM  

MayContainHorseGluten: sno man: Dinki: Subby does realize that traffic circles are safer and more energy efficient than traditional intersections, right?

Can't speak to New Brunswick, but if they tried that anywhere near Toronto I'm taking a lawn chair and a big bag of popcorn for the first few days.
The tried putting a few single lane circles near my Mom's... there were so many accidents they had to take them out.

I call BS on this. All kinds of them around the GTA that work fine. And if there are accidents, they're low-speed ones at least. No such thing as a fatal accident at a roundabout.


I never said anything about fatal.  Most of the accidents were lowish speed head on as some bozo tried to make a left turn into oncoming traffic. One guy landed his car on the island one night, took out half of the landscaping, just drove straight like it wasn't even there. (pretty sure he ended up with an impaired.) There were two circles on the one road and I thought they were fairly clearly signed too, but they scared the hell out of me because I'd seen so many drivers do the left turn thing.  They were back to four-way stops in about 3 months.
 
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