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2013-01-11 08:28:13 AM
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/have seen the ambien walrus before
//now just sticks to whisky
 
2013-01-11 08:51:04 AM
I recognize that there are some medical conditions that make it physically difficult to sleep, but I feel sleep medication is being grossly over-prescribed to people who really just need to cultivate a little mental discipline. I was having trouble sleeping in my teens when a lot of bad things were happening in my home life. I read a magazine article about sleep self-hypnosis and started giving it a try. It didn't work all at once, but with a little effort you really can train your mind to sleep when you want it to. At the start, the most important thing is simply not allowing yourself to get back up. There is no TV, no computer, no books, no light switch, nothing. It's just you and the bed and the dark, and you're going to lie there until it's time to get up. Even if you only sleep half the night at first, at least you've spent the other half resting.
 
2013-01-11 08:53:52 AM
Dispatch from the Sturdy Wings camping trip?
 
2013-01-11 09:43:35 AM

Sybarite: I recognize that there are some medical conditions that make it physically difficult to sleep, but I feel sleep medication is being grossly over-prescribed to people who really just need to cultivate a little mental discipline. I was having trouble sleeping in my teens when a lot of bad things were happening in my home life. I read a magazine article about sleep self-hypnosis and started giving it a try. It didn't work all at once, but with a little effort you really can train your mind to sleep when you want it to. At the start, the most important thing is simply not allowing yourself to get back up. There is no TV, no computer, no books, no light switch, nothing. It's just you and the bed and the dark, and you're going to lie there until it's time to get up. Even if you only sleep half the night at first, at least you've spent the other half resting.


My cat, who I had put down on Wednesday, was getting me up all hours of the night for a few months.  I thought she was going senile (turned out to be more serious hence that terrible decision).  But that aside, I did teach myself many tricks like that to get back to sleep quickly.  Or something resembling sleep.

I imagine doctors, people on emergency call, new parents, etc. develop sleep coping skills like that.  Granted, this doesn't address more serious underlying problems.  But if that's the case, people with underlying issues (medical, mental, whatever) would be better-served addressing those root causes than by regularly taking shiat like Ambien.
 
2013-01-11 09:56:36 AM
I took Ambien for four or five years, until may.

I took one too late one night, after a few glasses of wine, not really thinking. Depression makes you do stupid things to fall/stay asleep. I woke up very confused, and went to take my morning meds... And grabbed the wrong bottle. I accidentally took an Ambien, then attempted to drive to work. I then had an incredibly bad dream about not being able to drive, and getting arrested by the Ambien walrus. Except, it wasn't a dream, and the walrus was a cop.

And that's how I started writing congressmen about changing drug schedules. Because there is no way that drug should be a schedule IV.
 
2013-01-11 09:59:49 AM

Kingly Weevil: I took Ambien for four or five years, until may.

I took one too late one night, after a few glasses of wine, not really thinking. Depression makes you do stupid things to fall/stay asleep. I woke up very confused, and went to take my morning meds... And grabbed the wrong bottle. I accidentally took an Ambien, then attempted to drive to work. I then had an incredibly bad dream about not being able to drive, and getting arrested by the Ambien walrus. Except, it wasn't a dream, and the walrus was a cop.

And that's how I started writing congressmen about changing drug schedules. Because there is no way that drug should be a schedule IV.


I wonder how common that is.  I have a friend who was taking it and did something similar.  "Woke up" in the middle of the night in Ambien zombie mode, believed he didn't take his pill, then went to take another.  Good thing his wife was paying attention.  He won't touch the stuff now.
 
2013-01-11 10:02:44 AM
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2013-01-11 10:09:46 AM

Diogenes: Kingly Weevil: I took Ambien for four or five years, until may.

I took one too late one night, after a few glasses of wine, not really thinking. Depression makes you do stupid things to fall/stay asleep. I woke up very confused, and went to take my morning meds... And grabbed the wrong bottle. I accidentally took an Ambien, then attempted to drive to work. I then had an incredibly bad dream about not being able to drive, and getting arrested by the Ambien walrus. Except, it wasn't a dream, and the walrus was a cop.

And that's how I started writing congressmen about changing drug schedules. Because there is no way that drug should be a schedule IV.

I wonder how common that is.  I have a friend who was taking it and did something similar.  "Woke up" in the middle of the night in Ambien zombie mode, believed he didn't take his pill, then went to take another.  Good thing his wife was paying attention.  He won't touch the stuff now.


Extremely. In don't live in a huge city... 80,000 people, approximately. My lawyer told me he was handling six cases almost identical to mine. Last year. And dozens, over the last few.
 
2013-01-11 10:19:08 AM
Without ambien, I couldn't have seen the wife eat almost an entire jar of pickled jalepeno slices.

Yes, I stopped her when I came in the room.
 
2013-01-11 10:22:39 AM
Ambien scares me.

One of our flight RTs takes it to sleep. He tells stories of waking up with jars of jalapinos and pickles in bed, and horrific fire-hole later in the day.
 
2013-01-11 10:28:07 AM
I already do enough random crap in my sleep, Ambien seems like it'd be a terrible idea for me.
 
2013-01-11 10:28:59 AM
This is in keeping with the FDA's 'if it actually works, make it illegal' policy for drugs.
 
2013-01-11 10:29:07 AM

Sybarite: I recognize that there are some medical conditions that make it physically difficult to sleep, but I feel sleep medication is being grossly over-prescribed to people who really just need to cultivate a little mental discipline.


Let me guess, you also think people with mental health disorders just need to shake off their depression and think happier thoughts.

At the start, the most important thing is simply not allowing yourself to get back up. There is no TV, no computer, no books, no light switch, nothing. It's just you and the bed and the dark, and you're going to lie there until it's time to get up. Even if you only sleep half the night at first, at least you've spent the other half resting.

This is actually a horrible idea; if you're not falling asleep within half an hour, something is going wrong--not necessarily chemically, but your brain isn't ready for sleep. You're better off getting out of bed, doing a few stretches or relaxation exercises, having a glass of warm milk, and reading in low light for 20 minutes.

Kingly Weevil: And that's how I started writing congressmen about changing drug schedules. Because there is no way that drug should be a schedule IV.


Except that the difference between Sch III and Sch IV has more to do with addictiveness than anything else, and zolpidem isn't addictive.
 
2013-01-11 10:30:30 AM
Sooo, women are blaming bad driving on Ambien?

/kinda skimmed the article for what I wanted to read
 
2013-01-11 10:31:23 AM

Kingly Weevil: I took Ambien for four or five years, until may.

I took one too late one night, after a few glasses of wine, not really thinking. Depression makes you do stupid things to fall/stay asleep. I woke up very confused, and went to take my morning meds... And grabbed the wrong bottle. I accidentally took an Ambien, then attempted to drive to work. I then had an incredibly bad dream about not being able to drive, and getting arrested by the Ambien walrus. Except, it wasn't a dream, and the walrus was a cop.

And that's how I started writing congressmen about changing drug schedules. Because there is no way that drug should be a schedule IV.


I think you should be on the 'placebo only' schedule if you can't take drugs as prescribed.
 
2013-01-11 10:31:33 AM
Ambien was involved the only time I've ever blacked out in my entire life.

I took two of them, not thinking they'd work, along with several beers.

The next day, I was told that I had stumbled all over the place saying all kinds of wacky shiat the night before.

I have no memory of it at all. Scary.

Mmmmyeah, I'll stay away from Ambien from now on.
 
2013-01-11 10:34:50 AM
As a doctor I've enjoyed this thread so much. I knew there were LOTS of idiots in this world, but farkers take the cake on being willing to admit it
 
2013-01-11 10:35:23 AM

Diogenes: I wonder how common that is. I have a friend who was taking it and did something similar. "Woke up" in the middle of the night in Ambien zombie mode, believed he didn't take his pill, then went to take another. Good thing his wife was paying attention. He won't touch the stuff now.


There was a story a couple of years ago where a passenger on a flight, who was unfortunately of Arab decent, took an Ambien as he boarded but didn't fall asleep right away. In Ambien zombie mode he thought it would be a good idea to take the last two tablets and then got all nutty and tried to get access to the cock pit. Last I checked the story the event basically ruined his life but attorneys were genuinely trying to work with him and get him leniency due to the chemical factors.
 
2013-01-11 10:35:49 AM
One of the takeaways from this thread is that mixing alcohol and Ambien is the best way to summon the Ambien Walrus.
 
2013-01-11 10:37:16 AM
Don't you need a prescription for that? Maybe that should give people a head's up. The nanny state has it's hands full with this nation of children.
 
2013-01-11 10:37:24 AM

NeoBad: As a doctor I've enjoyed this thread so much. I knew there were LOTS of idiots in this world, but farkers take the cake on being willing to admit it


Intentionally, that is. Any YouTube or Yahoo comments thread will have plenty of unintentional admissions of idiocy.
 
2013-01-11 10:39:41 AM

BronyMedic: Ambien scares me.

One of our flight RTs takes it to sleep. He tells stories of waking up with jars of jalapinos and pickles in bed, and horrific fire-hole later in the day.


My cousin drove from Cincinnati to Knoxville after taking his ambien and going to bed one night. He woke up in a Kroger parking lot.. out of gas.

I just "cleaned" my house ... By clean I mean I put my clean laundry in the fridge.. the dirty laundry in the dishwasher, and the stuff that was in the fridge in my dresser. Then I apparently tried to cut my hair off because I had a meeting with Obama in the morning.

No more ambien for me...
 
2013-01-11 10:40:33 AM

Sybarite: I recognize that there are some medical conditions that make it physically difficult to sleep, but I feel sleep medication is being grossly over-prescribed to people who really just need to cultivate a little mental discipline. I was having trouble sleeping in my teens when a lot of bad things were happening in my home life. I read a magazine article about sleep self-hypnosis and started giving it a try. It didn't work all at once, but with a little effort you really can train your mind to sleep when you want it to. At the start, the most important thing is simply not allowing yourself to get back up. There is no TV, no computer, no books, no light switch, nothing. It's just you and the bed and the dark, and you're going to lie there until it's time to get up. Even if you only sleep half the night at first, at least you've spent the other half resting.


I had a similar experience in my teens, except it was a high school health class that taught me about self-hypnosis. One day I guess the teacher wanted a break, so she said she thought we should destress and put on a progressive relaxation tape. It was the most useful thing I ever learned in any health class, and I got really fast at falling asleep at night, no matter how stressed.

The other thing doctors under prescribe for sleep, though: exercise. It's not always enough to be mentally exhausted. Your body's so much happier when it gets physically worn out sometimes, too.
 
2013-01-11 10:42:08 AM

Shadow Blasko: I just "cleaned" my house ... By clean I mean I put my clean laundry in the fridge.. the dirty laundry in the dishwasher, and the stuff that was in the fridge in my dresser. Then I apparently tried to cut my hair off because I had a meeting with Obama in the morning.


Hahaha! I've wanted to try it just to see what nutty things happen.... alas, I live alone. I'd be scared to wake up and find my dogs shaved with a straight razor or something. When I decide it's time for another BF, it's GAME ON!
 
2013-01-11 10:42:12 AM
Who needs Ambien? I just watch TV for five minutes and I'm out cold.
 
2013-01-11 10:43:54 AM

pseudoscience: Who needs Ambien? I just watch TV for five minutes and I'm out cold.


Oh, well then. Since that works for you I'm certain it'll work for everyone, amiright?
 
2013-01-11 10:44:10 AM

LazarusLong42: Sybarite: I recognize that there are some medical conditions that make it physically difficult to sleep, but I feel sleep medication is being grossly over-prescribed to people who really just need to cultivate a little mental discipline.

Let me guess, you also think people with mental health disorders just need to shake off their depression and think happier thoughts.

At the start, the most important thing is simply not allowing yourself to get back up. There is no TV, no computer, no books, no light switch, nothing. It's just you and the bed and the dark, and you're going to lie there until it's time to get up. Even if you only sleep half the night at first, at least you've spent the other half resting.

This is actually a horrible idea; if you're not falling asleep within half an hour, something is going wrong--not necessarily chemically, but your brain isn't ready for sleep. You're better off getting out of bed, doing a few stretches or relaxation exercises, having a glass of warm milk, and reading in low light for 20 minutes.

Kingly Weevil: And that's how I started writing congressmen about changing drug schedules. Because there is no way that drug should be a schedule IV.

Except that the difference between Sch III and Sch IV has more to do with addictiveness than anything else, and zolpidem isn't addictive.


Experts say it isn't if taken as prescribed, but a fairly large number of addicts seems to indicate otherwise. You know, those same experts that said Oxycodone isn't addictive if taken "as prescribed"
 
2013-01-11 10:45:45 AM
They should put out a memo in regards to SSRIs, warning people that it may cause you to shoot up a school.
 
2013-01-11 10:45:46 AM

hitlersbrain: Kingly Weevil: I took Ambien for four or five years, until may.

I took one too late one night, after a few glasses of wine, not really thinking. Depression makes you do stupid things to fall/stay asleep. I woke up very confused, and went to take my morning meds... And grabbed the wrong bottle. I accidentally took an Ambien, then attempted to drive to work. I then had an incredibly bad dream about not being able to drive, and getting arrested by the Ambien walrus. Except, it wasn't a dream, and the walrus was a cop.

And that's how I started writing congressmen about changing drug schedules. Because there is no way that drug should be a schedule IV.

I think you should be on the 'placebo only' schedule if you can't take drugs as prescribed.


Yep. I made a mistake, so I shouldn't ever take prescription drugs again.
 
2013-01-11 10:46:26 AM

Giltric: They should put out a memo in regards to SSRIs, warning people that it may cause you to shoot up a school.


1/10 given for effort.
 
2013-01-11 10:50:01 AM

hitlersbrain: This is in keeping with the FDA's 'if it actually works, make it illegal' policy for drugs.


^^^THIS^^^

I have been using Ambien for a couple years. I have times where I go on a "drug holiday" and try to go with out for a week or two. Worst days of my life. I have an overactive brain, and cannot shut myself up! I must talk a million words to myself a day. When I try to sleep without ambien, I lay in bed from 10pm until 2pm. In the dark, thoughts racing. Finally I am so exhausted I can close my eyes and instantly have the most horrible dreams and wake up in a panic. Look at the clock, and it is only 15 minutes later. After a week or more of less that 2 hours of actual sleep every night, I give in to the fact that I have insomnia.

That said, I also have a healthy respect for Ambien's awesome power. Holy crap. Empty stomach, take a small pill, lay down, 20 minutes later I am gone. Sleep like a baby for 5-6 hours. I wake up with energy, and I don't hate life. Well, not as much!

On a side note, when I smoke herb, my overactive brain forgets my inner monologue and the world gets to experience every damn thought I have. Doesn't matter who is sitting next to me, they are going to hear my next million dollar invention idea.
 
2013-01-11 10:51:14 AM
I remember working the pickup at my store once. Older later, in her 80's was trying to get her insurance to cover Ambian because nothing else was working. At all. Here is this little old lady just trying to sleep and without meds, her body is only letting her sleep for one hour a night. God I felt bad for her.
 
2013-01-11 10:52:12 AM

CapeFearCadaver: Shadow Blasko: I just "cleaned" my house ... By clean I mean I put my clean laundry in the fridge.. the dirty laundry in the dishwasher, and the stuff that was in the fridge in my dresser. Then I apparently tried to cut my hair off because I had a meeting with Obama in the morning.

Hahaha! I've wanted to try it just to see what nutty things happen.... alas, I live alone. I'd be scared to wake up and find my dogs shaved with a straight razor or something. When I decide it's time for another BF, it's GAME ON!


I don't understand why people wanna meet the walrus
You don't remember anything you do.

I didn't realize anything was amiss until I found bacon in my sock drawer the next morning. I was finding crap in odd places for weeks when I was on it. One day I found a gallon of milk strapped into the back seat of the car. It had been there a day or two. It wasn't my brand, and I have no clue where I obtained it.

That isn't amusing. It scared the hell out of me
What else did I do? I'll never know.
 
2013-01-11 10:54:07 AM

badhatharry: Don't you need a prescription for that? Maybe that should give people a head's up. The nanny state has it's hands full with this nation of children.


This. And c'mon, don't mix prescription drugs with alcohol unless you think the Ambien walrus is the only one who will listen to your screenplay idea.

/Mixes sleeping pills and booze all the time, but the pills are the over the counter variety.
//Still I do my best to go easy on the pills. The beer on the other hand...
 
2013-01-11 10:55:32 AM
Shadow Blasko: CapeFearCadaver: Shadow Blasko:  One day I found a gallon of milk strapped into the back seat of the car. It had been there a day or two. It wasn't my brand, and I have no clue where I obtained it.

I wonder whose fridge you left your toddler in ...
 
2013-01-11 10:57:56 AM

Kingly Weevil: Giltric: They should put out a memo in regards to SSRIs, warning people that it may cause you to shoot up a school.

1/10 given for effort.


Where there is smoke, there is fire......
 
2013-01-11 10:58:21 AM
The problem isn't that it causes you to fall asleep, it's that you act like you're still awake, but in a strange new world.

Happened to me once, first time I took Ambien.   I took too much, thinking it was like old-school sleep meds, which never worked at their prescribed level.  It was a weird night, but my roommate was their to keep an eye on me.

Since then I've had on and off a few times, and take half the prescribed amount.  That usually does it, but if not, I take the other half.

Haven't had a bad experience, or even been drowsy the next day since then.
 
2013-01-11 10:58:52 AM
I take ambien. It was a life changer for me. I had fought insomnia since high school. I'm 48 now. I started taking ambien a few years ago. Instead of walking around like a zombie with a few hours sleep or no sleep I just have a cup of coffee and get on with the day. I lost a great deal of weight as I am not staggering around exhausted all the time.

As for the argument all you need is exercise proper sleep technique that is a load of crap for some of us. At one point I was swimming in the morning and biking after work and that had no affect. Same thing with diet. I went through a sleep study years ago and something with brain activity they said I had to reduce my stress levels......um yeah....I'll just hide in my house all day.

One doctor gave me anti-anxiety meds but they didn't do anything. I got lorazepam once and that sort of worked. Tried pot and that almost had the opposite affect i.e. made me more wired. There is always alcohol to get you to sleep but it is not a good sleep.

The only injury I've had due to ambien is the cover of my nook scratching my chest after I drop it as I fall asleep. SO you can take my ambien when you pry it out of my deep sleeping hands.
 
2013-01-11 10:59:16 AM
Ambien sex is awesome.
 
2013-01-11 10:59:22 AM

Giltric: Where there is smoke, there is fire......


Or there's a crack in the crankcase seal letting oil get burned.
 
2013-01-11 11:02:21 AM
Maybe it's a good thing this guy never tried Ambien...
www.reviewtrailers.com
If he did, though, I'd like to hear the Moth story on that experience.
 
2013-01-11 11:02:44 AM

Shadow Blasko: You don't remember anything you do.


Which is why I'd wait until someone was around to tell me stories of my escapades, and to keep me from leaving the house. I'm old now. I can't do Peyote/LSD anymore. I live a boring, depressing life. And because I think your story is farking hilarious.
 
2013-01-11 11:03:35 AM
And don't mix it with alcohol or pot..........It is a drug that is meant to stand alone.
 
2013-01-11 11:07:04 AM
Ambien was involved the only time I've ever blacked out in my entire life.

There are two problems with Ambien in particular:
1. it takes far beyond 12 hours to clear from your system
2. the amnesia effects are profound. My wife once missed her customary freeway exit by 15 miles -- 18 hours after taking the drug the night before.
 
2013-01-11 11:07:11 AM
I wonder how many people that see Ambien Walrus, aside from those that took it with alcohol, took it will still up and about instead of taking it right before you get in bed like you're supposed to.

If I take it right before getting in bed I'm not getting out of bed until the alarm goes off in the morning.
If I take it then stay up for a while then I'm eventually going to fall asleep somewhere, usually in bed once I make my way up there.
 
2013-01-11 11:09:13 AM

Omnivorous: Ambien was involved the only time I've ever blacked out in my entire life.

There are two problems with Ambien in particular:
1. it takes far beyond 12 hours to clear from your system
2. the amnesia effects are profound. My wife once missed her customary freeway exit by 15 miles -- 18 hours after taking the drug the night before.


Maybe your wife is a moran.
 
2013-01-11 11:13:09 AM
my ex-wife was in love with the ambien walrus. and vodka. i had to keep an eye on her at night. she always would try to piss in random places around the house like the trash cans, clothes dryer etc. the night i caught her with her coochie stuck in our dryer was pretty funny. i even asked her what she thought she was doing. she just stared at me with those glassy eyes and said, "i'm pissing, what do you think?" just as the dryer door gave way and she slammed to the floor. on a lighter note, i got laid almost every night to the zombie wife, she couldn't say no.
 
2013-01-11 11:15:29 AM
I'm going to have to agree with the nannystate opinion. Ambien is a god send for me, been taking it for years. I take Effexor XR and if I am not asleep when my body starts absorbing it, I am not going to sleep. Hot flashes, restless legs, horrible nightmares. But if I am out, no problem. I know full well to be in bed, lights out when I take Ambien. And no way would I try to take another in the middle of the night. If I wake up early, too bad.

I make sure to not take it unless I know I have 8 hours to sleep it off. I wake up refreshed, never groggy like over the counter or even the extended release sleep aids make me.

I am worried, 5 mg is not going to cut it.
 
2013-01-11 11:15:41 AM
I have to take Ambien and Klonopin otherwise I'd never get to sleep. I have one of those minds that just won't turn off. I've never had any sort of odd goings on while taking it. I can even wake up in the middle of the night and have a lucid conversation w/my husband (night owl) and go right back to sleep. Wake up feeling just fine.

My mother-in-law on the other hand will take it and try and stay up just a little bit longer and she gets all wierd. She falls and says things like she is drunk. I've told her many times that you can't do that with this drug but...
 
2013-01-11 11:17:50 AM

munko: my ex-wife was in love with the ambien walrus. and vodka. i had to keep an eye on her at night. she always would try to piss in random places around the house like the trash cans, clothes dryer etc. the night i caught her with her coochie stuck in our dryer was pretty funny. i even asked her what she thought she was doing. she just stared at me with those glassy eyes and said, "i'm pissing, what do you think?" just as the dryer door gave way and she slammed to the floor. on a lighter note, i got laid almost every night to the zombie wife, she couldn't say no.


I have a coworker in love with Vodka. I don't think it was the Ambian that got you laid.
 
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