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(US News)   The tragic comedy of the House today competes with anything that Shakespeare has written   (usnews.com) divider line 45
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2013-01-11 08:16:59 AM  
And already, Republicans are parroting their party line: "when the President asks us to raise the debt ceiling, we'll only do it if we get deep spending cuts in return."

When the President asks you? The debt ceiling reflects spending that the House approved all on its own. No one is asking you to pay for it, dear Republican friends, any more than your credit card bill is the opening move in a negotiation.You rang up the debt and now its time for you to pay.


Bingo and bravo.
 
2013-01-11 08:42:40 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: And already, Republicans are parroting their party line: "when the President asks us to raise the debt ceiling, we'll only do it if we get deep spending cuts in return."

When the President asks you? The debt ceiling reflects spending that the House approved all on its own. No one is asking you to pay for it, dear Republican friends, any more than your credit card bill is the opening move in a negotiation.You rang up the debt and now its time for you to pay.

Bingo and bravo.


Are you saying that the spending approved by the House was not ultimately enabled by the President signing a House-originated budget into law?

/Disclaimer: I do not believe that "debt-ceiling" hostage tactics used by Republicans to be reasonable. Nor do I believe much of what the Republican party has done recently to be reasonable, for that matter.
 
2013-01-11 08:48:06 AM  
Isn't US News the most conservative-leaning out of the weekly magazines? I seem to recall that being the case years ago when I was a young Republican and that was the only one I would read. If so, damn, they really are tearing themselves apart.
 
2013-01-11 08:49:41 AM  
What's in a name?  That which we call a neocon by any other name would derp as hard.
 
2013-01-11 08:51:34 AM  
it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Yep... sounds very much like our current House....
 
2013-01-11 08:51:40 AM  

Dimensio: Are you saying that the spending approved by the House was not ultimately enabled by the President signing a House-originated budget into law?


I'm saying the debt ceiling is Congress' problem. Bravo to this author for stating what the rest of the media has largely been ignoring, that "raise the debt ceiling in exchange for" is not normal, or usual, or the way we do things, and hasn't been up until 2011. The debt ceiling must be raised (or removed, alas), period. The GOP knows this. There is nothing to negotiate.
 
2013-01-11 08:52:52 AM  
I would say more bad joke than tragic comedy.
 
2013-01-11 08:53:06 AM  

Dimensio: Dusk-You-n-Me: And already, Republicans are parroting their party line: "when the President asks us to raise the debt ceiling, we'll only do it if we get deep spending cuts in return."

When the President asks you? The debt ceiling reflects spending that the House approved all on its own. No one is asking you to pay for it, dear Republican friends, any more than your credit card bill is the opening move in a negotiation.You rang up the debt and now its time for you to pay.

Bingo and bravo.

Are you saying that the spending approved by the House was not ultimately enabled by the President signing a House-originated budget into law?

/Disclaimer: I do not believe that "debt-ceiling" hostage tactics used by Republicans to be reasonable. Nor do I believe much of what the Republican party has done recently to be reasonable, for that matter.


Please stop trying to create an argument over simple facts. Of course the House authorized the spending and of course the President signed the bill. However, the Executive Branch is not the one that's now threatening to turn required payment of debt into an opportunity for partisan arguments over policies it can't pass any other way.

The Constitution, how does it work?
 
2013-01-11 08:53:56 AM  
Just mint the goddamn coin and tell them to fark off.
 
2013-01-11 09:03:03 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Just mint the goddamn coin and tell them to fark off.


And then give it to some homeless guy.

Watch hilarity ensue at a Dunkin Donuts when he wants to buy a coffee.
 
2013-01-11 09:04:51 AM  

mainstreet62: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Just mint the goddamn coin and tell them to fark off.

And then give it to some homeless guy.

Watch hilarity ensue at a Dunkin Donuts liquor store when he wants to buy a coffee booze.


but yeah
 
2013-01-11 09:06:41 AM  
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The Coracias garrulus is actually a beautiful bird, one that should not be sullied by associations with the Republican party.
 
2013-01-11 09:10:27 AM  
Boehner - the blubbering vomit bird. Priceless.
 
2013-01-11 09:10:34 AM  

CPennypacker: mainstreet62: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Just mint the goddamn coin and tell them to fark off.

And then give it to some homeless guy.

Watch hilarity ensue at a Dunkin Donuts liquor store when he wants to buy a coffee booze.

but yeah


The price of Thunderbird and Mad Dog 20/20 would skyrocket.
 
2013-01-11 09:11:07 AM  
Just dissolve the House and be done withit
 
2013-01-11 09:16:00 AM  
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2013-01-11 09:16:57 AM  
Meanwhile, in the Wisconsin State Assembly --

"...the Republican majority adopted a resolution to require lawmakers to wear a tie and sport coat on session days ... also impose stricter rules on members of the public in the Assembly's overhead galleries, including outlawing all recording devices, signs and hats. ...

The rules in the gallery will also prohibit bags and briefcases, which will require the installation of lockers at an undisclosed cost. But Republicans left in place their rule from last session allowing concealed guns and other weapons for people with a valid permit."


- from jsonline.com
 
2013-01-11 09:19:17 AM  

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2013-01-11 09:19:41 AM  

Dimensio: Are you saying that the spending approved by the House was not ultimately enabled by the President signing a House-originated budget into law?


The executive signing bills into law is a check on the power of Congress, not an independent authoritative act. That's also why Congress can override a veto.
 
2013-01-11 09:21:47 AM  

sprawl15: Dimensio: Are you saying that the spending approved by the House was not ultimately enabled by the President signing a House-originated budget into law?

The executive signing bills into law is a check on the power of Congress, not an independent authoritative act. That's also why Congress can override a veto.


Oh yeah, and the majority of our deficit has been because of relatively recently incurred debt and the economic collapse resulting in drastically reduced revenues. The budget itself hasn't changed much over the last few years, and doesn't need to for the deficit to keep growing. Contrary to popular belief, Obama does not in fact own a time machine and cannot veto the original Bush tax cut bill, or the Medicare part D bill, or the war in Iraq.
 
2013-01-11 09:25:18 AM  

urbangirl: Dimensio: Dusk-You-n-Me: And already, Republicans are parroting their party line: "when the President asks us to raise the debt ceiling, we'll only do it if we get deep spending cuts in return."

When the President asks you? The debt ceiling reflects spending that the House approved all on its own. No one is asking you to pay for it, dear Republican friends, any more than your credit card bill is the opening move in a negotiation.You rang up the debt and now its time for you to pay.

Bingo and bravo.

Are you saying that the spending approved by the House was not ultimately enabled by the President signing a House-originated budget into law?

/Disclaimer: I do not believe that "debt-ceiling" hostage tactics used by Republicans to be reasonable. Nor do I believe much of what the Republican party has done recently to be reasonable, for that matter.

Please stop trying to create an argument over simple facts. Of course the House authorized the spending and of course the President signed the bill. However, the Executive Branch is not the one that's now threatening to turn required payment of debt into an opportunity for partisan arguments over policies it can't pass any other way.

The Constitution, how does it work?


I am not attempting to argue that House Republicans are justified in refusing to increase the "debt ceiling"; I in fact recognize that they are not at all justified in their actions. However, because budget bills must be signed by the President (and also because they must be passed by the Senate after being passed by the House), budget bills -- while originating in the House -- are ultimately a compromise between the desires of the party that controls the House, the desires of the party that controls the Senate and the President of the United States of America. Thus, the spending is not what "the House approved all on its own"; it is what the House was able to negotiate with the Senate and with the President.

With that understanding, the Republican tactic of demanding concessions for increase of the debt limit is not a refusal of House Republicans to pay for their own spending choices; rather, it is actually a rebellion against being forced to compromise principles on spending and an attempt to perform an "end run" around such compromise to force only their own spending policies into law under threat of damaging the national economy -- which is no less an unreasonable motivation and no less a reason for condemnation.
 
2013-01-11 09:25:48 AM  

mainstreet62: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Just mint the goddamn coin and tell them to fark off.

And then give it to some homeless guy.

Watch hilarity ensue at a Dunkin Donuts when he wants to buy a coffee.


They'd have to give him his change in stock options.
 
2013-01-11 09:28:12 AM  

Dimensio: With that understanding, the Republican tactic of demanding concessions for increase of the debt limit is not a refusal of House Republicans to pay for their own spending choices; rather, it is actually a rebellion against being forced to compromise principles on spending and an attempt to perform an "end run" around such compromise to force only their own spending policies into law under threat of damaging the national economy -- which is no less an unreasonable motivation and no less a reason for condemnation.


Only if you have no concept of why we need to raise our debt ceiling and think it's solely related to next year's budget.
 
2013-01-11 09:31:24 AM  

sprawl15: Dimensio: With that understanding, the Republican tactic of demanding concessions for increase of the debt limit is not a refusal of House Republicans to pay for their own spending choices; rather, it is actually a rebellion against being forced to compromise principles on spending and an attempt to perform an "end run" around such compromise to force only their own spending policies into law under threat of damaging the national economy -- which is no less an unreasonable motivation and no less a reason for condemnation.

Only if you have no concept of why we need to raise our debt ceiling and think it's solely related to next year's budget.


If House Republicans are demanding specific spending policies, such as reductions in government spending to certain social programs, as a condition for increasing the debt limit, then their motivation is explicitly to force their spending policies into law regardless of actual popular support for them.

That the necessity of raising the debt ceiling is not related solely to the yearly budget does not alter the nature of the House Republicans' motivation for threatening to crash the economy by not raising it.
 
2013-01-11 09:33:59 AM  
"Much drink may be said to be an equivocator... it makes him, and it mars him; it sets him on, and it takes him off; it persuades him, and disheartens him."

Macbeth: Act 2, Scene 3
 
2013-01-11 09:33:59 AM  

Dimensio: That the necessity of raising the debt ceiling is not related solely to the yearly budget does not alter the nature of the House Republicans' motivation for threatening to crash the economy by not raising it.


This is a significant goalpost shift from:

Dimensio: Are you saying that the spending approved by the House was not ultimately enabled by the President signing a House-originated budget into law?


Are you now changing your argument to "The house Republicans are just assholes"? If so, I'll just stop responding because you seem to have figured it out on your own.
 
2013-01-11 09:36:55 AM  

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Holy shiat, that is both the funniest and highest brow thing I've read so far today.  Although "laughing on the outside, crying on the inside" has never exactly been Boehner's thing.
 
2013-01-11 09:37:09 AM  

sprawl15: Dimensio: That the necessity of raising the debt ceiling is not related solely to the yearly budget does not alter the nature of the House Republicans' motivation for threatening to crash the economy by not raising it.

This is a significant goalpost shift from:

Dimensio: Are you saying that the spending approved by the House was not ultimately enabled by the President signing a House-originated budget into law?

Are you now changing your argument to "The house Republicans are just assholes"? If so, I'll just stop responding because you seem to have figured it out on your own.


My position is that framing the argument as "the House does not wish to pay for spending that it has approved on its own" is erroneous. I have never disputed the conclusion that House Republicans are being unreasonable, and in fact I have always accepted that conclusion; I am only suggesting that a better argument is available for reaching that conclusion.
 
2013-01-11 09:38:33 AM  

Dimensio: My position is that framing the argument as "the House does not wish to pay for spending that it has approved on its own" is erroneous.


Except that it isn't. Just because they had to compromise does not make the agreement any less binding. They agreed to pay, so they have to farking pay. The end.
 
2013-01-11 09:39:36 AM  
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It was a good show, but I wouldn't go that far.
 
2013-01-11 09:42:16 AM  

Dimensio: My position is that framing the argument as "the House does not wish to pay for spending that it has approved on its own" is erroneous.


Then scroll up to the responses that you ignored.
 
2013-01-11 09:45:44 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Dimensio: Are you saying that the spending approved by the House was not ultimately enabled by the President signing a House-originated budget into law?

I'm saying the debt ceiling is Congress' problem. Bravo to this author for stating what the rest of the media has largely been ignoring, that "raise the debt ceiling in exchange for" is not normal, or usual, or the way we do things, and hasn't been up until 2011. The debt ceiling must be raised (or removed, alas), period. The GOP knows this. There is nothing to negotiate.


I do not dispute that threatening to refuse to enable the country to meet established financial obligations is not a valid method of negotiation. The behaviour of House Republicans in this regard is irresponsible and unreasonable and it is also hypocritical due to their refusal to consider any reduction in defense spending.
 
2013-01-11 10:06:59 AM  

phaseolus: Meanwhile, in the Wisconsin State Assembly --

"...the Republican majority adopted a resolution to require lawmakers to wear a tie and sport coat on session days ... also impose stricter rules on members of the public in the Assembly's overhead galleries, including outlawing all recording devices, signs and hats. ...

The rules in the gallery will also prohibit bags and briefcases, which will require the installation of lockers at an undisclosed cost. But Republicans left in place their rule from last session allowing concealed guns and other weapons for people with a valid permit."

- from jsonline.com


Books are outlawed in the Capitol gallery, but not firearms. Republicans in charge.
 
2013-01-11 10:38:36 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Books are outlawed in the Capitol gallery, but not firearms. Republicans in charge.


Seems to me they recognize that if there's a loony with a gun in the Gallery, he's probably going to be aiming for Democrats.
 
2013-01-11 11:15:23 AM  

Dimensio: sprawl15: Dimensio: That the necessity of raising the debt ceiling is not related solely to the yearly budget does not alter the nature of the House Republicans' motivation for threatening to crash the economy by not raising it.

This is a significant goalpost shift from:

Dimensio: Are you saying that the spending approved by the House was not ultimately enabled by the President signing a House-originated budget into law?

Are you now changing your argument to "The house Republicans are just assholes"? If so, I'll just stop responding because you seem to have figured it out on your own.

My position is that framing the argument as "the House does not wish to pay for spending that it has approved on its own" is erroneous.


How is it erroneous?
The house approved of and passed bills in which they call for money to be spent. Now they do not want to raise the debt ceiling high enough to actually pay for those actions required by those bills.

Maybe you're nitpicking by way of the 'on its own' clause. But the other people involved in enacting those bills into law aren't the holdup on actually coming up with the cash.
 
2013-01-11 11:31:48 AM  
Has anyone pointed out that Shakespeare never wrote a tragic comedy?  He was a one or the other type of guy.
 
2013-01-11 11:33:50 AM  

Karac: Maybe you're nitpicking by way of the 'on its own' clause. But the other people involved in enacting those bills into law aren't the holdup on actually coming up with the cash.


He's just masturbating a non-sequitor. "They aren't the only ones who pass the bills comma (not therefore) they are now doing dick things". He must be upset that there aren't any gun threads so far.
 
2013-01-11 11:46:58 AM  

Karac: How is it erroneous?
The house approved of and passed bills in which they call for money to be spent. Now they do not want to raise the debt ceiling high enough to actually pay for those actions required by those bills.


Because it's CLEARLY Obama's lack of leadership that is the problem. This is obvious, as he can't even lead House Republicans to do what they know is right for the country. What a non-leader. The blame for this is all on his shoulders.
 
2013-01-11 11:52:07 AM  
Specifically, he's nitpicking that since the President signed the budget, or whatever, that it's also his fault.  Carefully ignoring the whole aspect of "We passed a budget and the President REFUSED to sign" that would come up if that were the case.
 
2013-01-11 02:15:54 PM  

phaseolus: "...the Republican majority adopted a resolution to require lawmakers to wear a tie and sport coat on session days ... also impose stricter rules on members of the public in the Assembly's overhead galleries, including outlawing all recording devices, signs and hats. ...

The rules in the gallery will also prohibit bags and briefcases, which will require the installation of lockers at an undisclosed cost. But Republicans left in place their rule from last session allowing concealed guns and other weapons for people with a valid permit."


Well, Wisconsin, I hope you enjoy the clownshoes government you elected.
 
2013-01-11 03:13:21 PM  
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

- William Shakespeare
 
2013-01-11 06:50:20 PM  

mrshowrules: Has anyone pointed out that Shakespeare never wrote a tragic comedy?  He was a one or the other type of guy.



What do you call Venus and Adonis? What do you call Henry IV?
 
2013-01-11 08:02:36 PM  
It's not Shakespearean...the tragic heroes aren't nearly noble enough.
 
2013-01-11 09:33:00 PM  
Even now, now, very now, an old black ram
Is tupping your white ewe country. Arise, arise;
Awake the snorting citizens with the bell,
Or else the devil will make a grandsire of you.
Arise I say, sheeple!
 
2013-01-12 01:47:32 AM  

HighOnCraic: Even now, now, very now, an old black ram
Is tupping your white ewe country. Arise, arise;
Awake the snorting citizens with the bell,
Or else the devil will make a grandsire of you.
Arise I say, sheeple!


I think it lost something in the translation.
 
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