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(KATU)   Does your Atlantic Salmon taste a little "eel-like"? Get ready, Frankenfish is coming to a Sam's club near you   (katu.com) divider line 133
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2013-01-11 08:26:40 AM
Woohoo! Another chance for the FARK Holistically homeopathic locally organic farm grown and Deepak Chopra approved NIMBY crew to fear-monger us with their incessant "Just asking questions" crap about how Genetically Modified Foods are going to murder us in our sleep, cause us all to turn into cancer and zombies, and how they're not really tested and really experimental science.

And in the same spiel, we'll get to hear about how if we ALL did what middle upper class white people did and shopped at whole foods for that same aforementioned privileged food, all diseases and school shootings would be ended. Problems like having to feed more people with less usable farmspace, and needing to increase viable yield don't really exist, they're part of the corporate conspiracy!

/or something. YMMV.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-11 08:36:02 AM

BronyMedic: Woohoo! Another chance for the FARK Holistically homeopathic locally organic farm grown and Deepak Chopra approved NIMBY crew to fear-monger us with their incessant "Just asking questions" crap about how Genetically Modified Foods are going to murder us in our sleep, cause us all to turn into cancer and zombies, and how they're not really tested and really experimental science.

And in the same spiel, we'll get to hear about how if we ALL did what middle upper class white people did and shopped at whole foods for that same aforementioned privileged food, all diseases and school shootings would be ended. Problems like having to feed more people with less usable farmspace, and needing to increase viable yield don't really exist, they're part of the corporate conspiracy!

/or something. YMMV.


Yeah. Nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan.
 
2013-01-11 08:37:29 AM
Thanks Bu$h
 
2013-01-11 08:37:57 AM
shut up biatch
 
2013-01-11 08:38:22 AM
They could somehow try and crawl up inside you.


/worst case scenerio
 
2013-01-11 08:38:52 AM
Yippee!!! Way to go, greed!

Take what is probably the most perfect and healthy food on earth and find a way to completely fark it up.

Amurikuh...fark yeah!
 
2013-01-11 08:39:01 AM

d23: Yeah. Nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan.


Yeah. Because they just did this in a lab, and released it straight to market, right? No testing or precautions involved?
 
2013-01-11 08:41:13 AM

BronyMedic: d23: Yeah. Nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan.

Yeah. Because they just did this in a lab, and released it straight to market, right? No testing or precautions involved?


Certainly no labeling. Eat away consumer! Let the free market decide the best product, except we don't have to tell you what you're eating.
 
2013-01-11 08:41:51 AM
Can not wait! I honestly want to eat this fish so bad!
 
2013-01-11 08:43:02 AM
pfffttt... Frankenfish has been around for decades.

theseamonster.net
 
2013-01-11 08:43:50 AM

foo monkey: Certainly no labeling. Eat away consumer! Let the free market decide the best product, except we don't have to tell you what you're eating.


Because taking a gene from a fish that people already eat, and is harmless to those people, and inserting it into another fish to produce the same product that is harmless to people will do...what?

A majority of the foods you buy use GMO products, unless you spend inordinate amounts to ensure they're completely locally grown and "organically" raised. Meanwhile, Salmon are being fished to endangerment levels because "natural" salmon are being harvested smaller and smaller to keep up with demands to feed the population.
 
2013-01-11 08:44:17 AM
You know who else had a genetically-modified population of animals that were engineered to be all female and said that nothing could go wrong?

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-11 08:44:51 AM

Rufus Lee King: Where is it?


Is it in the cupboard?

/have you thought of the drawers in the bureau?
 
2013-01-11 08:45:31 AM

bedtundy: pfffttt... Frankenfish has been around for decades.

[theseamonster.net image 354x283]


Interestingly, "pfffttt" is the sound most commonly produced by people that eat that sandwich...
 
2013-01-11 08:46:09 AM

SubBass49: You know who else had a genetically-modified population of animals that were engineered to be all female and said that nothing could go wrong?

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 650x366]


Do you have a mental health disorder that makes you unable to differentiate between Hollywood fantasy and reality? You're not allowed around assault weaponry and elementary schools after watching Michael Bay, right?
 
2013-01-11 08:46:43 AM
i265.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-11 08:47:05 AM
I notice that they hired a hobo to cook the fish over an oilcan fire just so they could have the most disgusting picture they possibly could. I can almost hear the editors though process on this one, "Most people don't understand any of that science crap but albumin ridden over cooked dried out fish just looks nasty so they'll get the point."
 
2013-01-11 08:47:49 AM

SubBass49: Yippee!!! Way to go, greed!

Take what is probably the most perfect and healthy food on earth and find a way to completely fark it up.

Amurikuh...fark yeah!


You mean, make it cheaper?

I wish I liked salmon so I could support this with my money.
 
2013-01-11 08:49:04 AM
This is not my kind of story, I won't give pause until the blood is flowing, it's no fun 'til someone dies.
 
2013-01-11 08:49:27 AM

Egoy3k: I notice that they hired a hobo to cook the fish over an oilcan fire just so they could have the most disgusting picture they possibly could. I can almost hear the editors though process on this one, "Most people don't understand any of that science crap but albumin ridden over cooked dried out fish just looks nasty so they'll get the point."


Because for every person who wants to go out and do the research on it, and find out what they actually did, there are fifty idiots like  SubBass49 who think a 1994 movie, or some other Hollywood Action/Horror portrail accurately represents the issues with GMO foods, and that Science is something that happens like on CSI, only instead of "enhance" they say "insert killer gene, MWUHAHAHAH!"
 
2013-01-11 08:49:39 AM

bedtundy: pfffttt... Frankenfish has been around for decades.

[theseamonster.net image 354x283]


That's a good sammich.
 
2013-01-11 08:50:29 AM

d23: Yeah. Nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan.


What could? I'd like to know.

duffblue: Thanks Bu$h


[ibetthejewsdidthis.jpg]
 
2013-01-11 08:50:42 AM

SubBass49: You know who else had a genetically-modified population of animals that were engineered to be all female and said that nothing could go wrong?

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 650x366]


Movie fiction, how do it be work?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-11 08:50:43 AM

BronyMedic: d23: Yeah. Nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan.

Yeah. Because they just did this in a lab, and released it straight to market, right? No testing or precautions involved?


Firstly, look at drug trials (which for the most part are pretty good) and how many drugs come back later with some serious side effect not found.

Secondly, it's a corporation and I expect them to cut every corner they possibly can.

So, no, I can't say we can be reasonably sure until we've had it for 20 years.
 
2013-01-11 08:52:14 AM
Whatever, as long as I don't have to eat that particularly sad and nasty looking piece of fish. Looks like it's been prepared with love, in the finest of office microwaves. Use a nice, attractive, raw piece of salmon, dimwits.
 
2013-01-11 08:52:29 AM
Tartar Sauce. Proof that Americans will eat anything.
 
2013-01-11 08:52:29 AM

SubBass49: bedtundy: pfffttt... Frankenfish has been around for decades.

[theseamonster.net image 354x283]

Interestingly, "pfffttt" is the sound most commonly produced by people that eat that sandwich...


Yes they do, among other scary bodily noises.

/csb time; had a friend that would always get 3 of these after a night of bar hoping. Weird thing is he hated them sober.
 
2013-01-11 08:52:46 AM
I loved their microwave cooked salmon pic for the article. That looks like something I would cook, not what I would expect to find in a restaurant.
 
2013-01-11 08:53:38 AM

thesloppy: Whatever, as long as I don't have to eat that particularly sad and nasty looking piece of fish. Looks like it's been prepared with love, in the finest of office microwaves. Use a nice, attractive, raw piece of salmon, dimwits.


DAMMIT, man!
 
2013-01-11 08:53:50 AM
This is all just part of the New World Order's plan to trim the planet's population down to a sustainable level by making all female humans who eat this fish sterile as well.

Move along, move along....
 
2013-01-11 08:54:07 AM

bedtundy: SubBass49: bedtundy: pfffttt... Frankenfish has been around for decades.

[theseamonster.net image 354x283]

Interestingly, "pfffttt" is the sound most commonly produced by people that eat that sandwich...

Yes they do, among other scary bodily noises.

/csb time; had a friend that would always get 3 of these after a night of bar hoping. Weird thing is he hated them sober.


*hopping*

damned auto-correct.
 
2013-01-11 08:54:14 AM

d23: Firstly, look at drug trials (which for the most part are pretty good) and how many drugs come back later with some serious side effect not found.

Secondly, it's a corporation and I expect them to cut every corner they possibly can.

So, no, I can't say we can be reasonably sure until we've had it for 20 years.


So because it's a corporation, it's automatically A) An Evil Profit Conspiracy to make us sick, and B) We Just CANT know based on diligent safety trials, so we have to do Y before it becomes acceptable so move the goalposts more?

Labeling GMO foods would be useless, as almost every food on the marketplace other than meats use GMO gene manipulation, and it's beyond the education level of most consumers - it'd be meaningless other than to give people a reason to fear-monger out of ignorance again.  In addition, we ALREADY KNOW the effects of the gene insertion because the gene is mapped to the production of a specific growth hormone that eels produce, and that humans already eat. There's no new, novel genetic code or product being created here, like many people seem to think. If you've eaten a piece of Eel sushi, you've eaten the product this gene produces. (MMmm. Good Sushi, btw. :) )
 
2013-01-11 08:54:28 AM

BronyMedic: d23: Yeah. Nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan.

Yeah. Because they just did this in a lab, and released it straight to market, right? No testing or precautions involved?


What testing? On what? How long? How do we know viruses won't react or mutate differently in the GM fish creating a super virus? What if the GM fish is processed differently by the body, and kills your liver after 50 years?

I'm serious. I have not researched this topic. You act like you have, but, you know, citation needed.
 
2013-01-11 08:54:41 AM
But is does it look nice and pink and fresh?

wildfishconservancy.org
 
2013-01-11 08:54:53 AM

d23: BronyMedic: d23: Yeah. Nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan.

Yeah. Because they just did this in a lab, and released it straight to market, right? No testing or precautions involved?

Firstly, look at drug trials (which for the most part are pretty good) and how many drugs come back later with some serious side effect not found.

Secondly, it's a corporation and I expect them to cut every corner they possibly can.

So, no, I can't say we can be reasonably sure until we've had it for 20 years.


GM food and drugs that effect protein formation or brain chemistry are two vastly different things. All domesticated plants and animals are genetically modified the only difference is that GM foods are modified in a lab instead of over many generations through breeding.
 
2013-01-11 08:56:12 AM

foo monkey: BronyMedic: d23: Yeah. Nothing could possibly go wrong with this plan.

Yeah. Because they just did this in a lab, and released it straight to market, right? No testing or precautions involved?

Certainly no labeling. Eat away consumer! Let the free market decide the best product, except we don't have to tell you what you're eating.


No snark, that's exactly what should happen. If the product is cheaper, tastes better, and doesn't make people sicker than the original, not labeling it and letting the free market decide will show that. If the product has a sticker on it that scares morons, you will never know if it tastes better or if it makes people sicker than the original.

Your need to enable simplistic, reactionary product abandonment due to poorly conceived notions on the difference between things that happen in one controlled environment by scientists trying to make better food cheaper (a farm) versus another (a lab) is not going to produce the kind of informed, rational decision making in Alabama and Missouri that you might thing it will.
 
2013-01-11 08:57:08 AM
BronyMedic

Love the rant but have you being drinking too much coffee or did you forget to take your prozac
 
2013-01-11 08:58:08 AM
This will not end well....
 
2013-01-11 08:58:48 AM
So instead of only producing its own natural growth hormone during half the year, it produces it's own natural growth hormone all year.
Just like thousands of other fish species.


Oh, the horror.
 
2013-01-11 09:00:08 AM

jjwars1: What testing? On what? How long? How do we know viruses won't react or mutate differently in the GM fish creating a super virus? What if the GM fish is processed differently by the body, and kills your liver after 50 years?

I'm serious. I have not researched this topic. You act like you have, but, you know, citation needed.


Go read the Federal Laws and Regulations yourself. It's not exactly EASY to bring this kind of stuff to Market in the United States. It's all-out banned in the EU, but that has more to do with fearmongering and NIMBYism than anything scientific.

Popular Science seems to have some links on the article. A cursery pubmed search reveals that since the actual studies reveal proprietary methods and information, they're considered sealed.
 
2013-01-11 09:00:47 AM
Today: Super Salmon.

Tomorrow: Super Salmonella.
 
2013-01-11 09:01:53 AM
They do have a point even though they are smelly, whole-foods, vegan, organic, sustainably farmed, hippies...
The point that 15 percent of farmed Salmon get out is valid. It is possible it gets out on accident or through carelessness (this is done in Panama, btw...and I am not eating any "Salmon" from Panama) only to wreak havoc on the local ecosystem.
 
2013-01-11 09:05:01 AM
Why FDA's Frankenfish salmon report is fundamentally flawed

The market for wild salmon will collapse in the global rearrangement that comes with the introduction of this fish, and with it the political and economic will to maintain the ecological health of wild salmon stocks in Alaska.

This is the crucial point that the FDA report misses, and it is the one that will have the most significant ecological consequences when AquaBounty releases this fish to the public.
 
2013-01-11 09:07:01 AM

Egoy3k: GM food and drugs that effect protein formation or brain chemistry are two vastly different things. All domesticated plants and animals are genetically modified the only difference is that GM foods are modified in a lab instead of over many generations through breeding.


Yes, this. It's not like cramming a bunch of chemicals together with no idea what will happen. This is the more precise version of Gregor Mendel's pea pods.

When an article says "added the genes of a blahblahblah" people get this visual of scientists using the genetics equivalent of the Large Hadron Collider. More likely is they got out some syringes, grabbed male spermatozoa from the one fish they wanted to crossbreed, scanned it to see if it had the gene patterns they wanted, then injected it into the egg of another fish they wanted to crossbreed and repeated as needed.
 
2013-01-11 09:07:14 AM
I'm not letting any fish crawl up inside me, nosiree!
 
2013-01-11 09:07:25 AM

DeathCipris: They do have a point even though they are smelly, whole-foods, vegan, organic, sustainably farmed, hippies...
The point that 15 percent of farmed Salmon get out is valid. It is possible it gets out on accident or through carelessness (this is done in Panama, btw...and I am not eating any "Salmon" from Panama) only to wreak havoc on the local ecosystem.


You know who else liked Panama?http://www.martyconnentertainment.com/images/Panama/panama_new. jpg
 
2013-01-11 09:08:02 AM
I assumed they were talking about Snakeheads. Then I read the article.

I'd prefer Snakeheads.
 
2013-01-11 09:08:09 AM

neversubmit: Why FDA's Frankenfish salmon report is fundamentally flawed

The market for wild salmon will collapse in the global rearrangement that comes with the introduction of this fish, and with it the political and economic will to maintain the ecological health of wild salmon stocks in Alaska.

This is the crucial point that the FDA report misses, and it is the one that will have the most significant ecological consequences when AquaBounty releases this fish to the public.


Wait, so because nobody will buy wild salmon (which seems unlikely), wild salmon stocks will collapse? That makes no sense.
 
2013-01-11 09:09:07 AM

BronyMedic: d23: Firstly, look at drug trials (which for the most part are pretty good) and how many drugs come back later with some serious side effect not found.

Secondly, it's a corporation and I expect them to cut every corner they possibly can.

So, no, I can't say we can be reasonably sure until we've had it for 20 years.

So because it's a corporation, it's automatically A) An Evil Profit Conspiracy to make us sick, and B) We Just CANT know based on diligent safety trials, so we have to do Y before it becomes acceptable so move the goalposts more?

Labeling GMO foods would be useless, as almost every food on the marketplace other than meats use GMO gene manipulation, and it's beyond the education level of most consumers - it'd be meaningless other than to give people a reason to fear-monger out of ignorance again.  In addition, we ALREADY KNOW the effects of the gene insertion because the gene is mapped to the production of a specific growth hormone that eels produce, and that humans already eat. There's no new, novel genetic code or product being created here, like many people seem to think. If you've eaten a piece of Eel sushi, you've eaten the product this gene produces. (MMmm. Good Sushi, btw. :) )



So the next obvious step is to use this same gene (or similar acting) in cows, pigs and chickens to double their growth rate, right?

Then we (naturally) move on to human children - reducing their (non-productive) childhoods by half, and simultaneously minimizing the chance that they will be killed in school shootings.

Look it up.
 
2013-01-11 09:09:55 AM

LittleSmitty: I assumed they were talking about Snakeheads. Then I read the article.

I'd prefer Snakeheads.


Yeah, I was disappointed too.
 
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