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2013-01-11 08:42:37 AM
As a show of good faith, I think Obama should order the Secret Service to be disarmed.
 
2013-01-11 08:43:40 AM
If you can't beat them, join them.
 
2013-01-11 08:54:31 AM
I didn't think political "issues" were off limits, I thought just supporting political candidates were.

I mean, being "Pro-Life" is certainly a "political issue" as well then, and certainly most churches speak out about that.
 
2013-01-11 09:11:39 AM

dletter: I didn't think political "issues" were off limits, I thought just supporting political candidates were.

I mean, being "Pro-Life" is certainly a "political issue" as well then, and certainly most churches speak out about that.



True. I think it's also important to remember that churches were the major organizing foci of things like abolitionism and the civil rights movement.
 
2013-01-11 09:40:58 AM
Sure, if they pay taxes on the building
 
2013-01-11 09:42:20 AM
This is something new?
 
2013-01-11 09:42:39 AM
It's always been okay for black churches to be political.
 
2013-01-11 09:43:54 AM
No. No it's not.
 
2013-01-11 09:44:28 AM

BillCo: As a show of good faith, I think Obama should order the Secret Service to be disarmed.


Hurr hurr.
 
2013-01-11 09:44:32 AM
Actually, yes it is, tardmitter
 
2013-01-11 09:44:53 AM
What the law says that a church can't endorse political candidates. They can take stands on issues.

Pastors can endorse candidates but not in the context of their official duties i.e. they can endorse on their own time but not from the pulpit or while expressing the official view of their church.

The same goes for people associated with most non-religious non-profit, tax-exempt organizations as well.
 
2013-01-11 09:45:25 AM
So long as they don't say what candidate to vote for it should be fine.
 
2013-01-11 09:46:36 AM

dletter: I didn't think political "issues" were off limits, I thought just supporting political candidates were.

I mean, being "Pro-Life" is certainly a "political issue" as well then, and certainly most churches speak out about that.


This guy gets it
 
2013-01-11 09:47:35 AM

TheMysteriousStranger: What the law says that a church can't endorse political candidates. They can take stands on issues.

Pastors can endorse candidates but not in the context of their official duties i.e. they can endorse on their own time but not from the pulpit or while expressing the official view of their church.

The same goes for people associated with most non-religious non-profit, tax-exempt organizations as well.


There is a law that says that, but it stands on dubious Constitutional grounds.
 
2013-01-11 09:48:12 AM

TheMysteriousStranger: What the law says that a church can't endorse political candidates. They can take stands on issues.

Pastors can endorse candidates but not in the context of their official duties i.e. they can endorse on their own time but not from the pulpit or while expressing the official view of their church.

The same goes for people associated with most non-religious non-profit, tax-exempt organizations as well.


Federal employees can't engage in partisan politics while on the job either... but can support any specific policy even if it is associated with a specific party.
 
2013-01-11 09:49:02 AM
Sure if they pay for a weekly permit to hold political meetings.
 
2013-01-11 09:52:16 AM
Subby, everything is OK as long as it's your side of the argument. That's how politics works.
 
2013-01-11 09:53:29 AM
There is a world of difference between a church having a position on a cultural issue that happens to be politically divisive and a church endorsing a specific candidate for office. There isn't much difference here from church's feeding hungry people or sending aid to other nations. Church and State work together.

Besides, I'm looking forward to hearing religious leaders support the NRA - because if there was one thing that Jesus was all about, it was arming yourself and being willing to harm your fellow man...
 
2013-01-11 09:56:36 AM
Considering most people in America are religious and derive their morals from the church discussing public policy that is very much steeped in morality issues with the heads of those organizations makes sense.

Yanno... 0booger isn't an atheist and he's never bashed christianity... no matter how much you would all like to scream otherwise to suit your manipulative, slanderous agendas.
 
2013-01-11 09:58:44 AM
Praise the Lord & pass the ammunition?
 
2013-01-11 10:02:31 AM
Sure, if they want to take a psychiatric exam to prove they are mentally competent to vote. Like prove they don't have any invisible friends.
 
2013-01-11 10:06:51 AM
It's like I was reading from The Onion.
 
2013-01-11 10:13:29 AM
Wait, now it's OK to get priests and pastors to influence their flocks on a political issue?

Anybody with any knowledge of American History woudl know that it has always been "OK" People just tend to get their panties in a wad when the influence is not in the direction they desire. The abolishionist movenment, prohibtion, civil rights movement etc.

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2013-01-11 10:30:55 AM
It's only OK if it serves Democratic party interests.
 
2013-01-11 10:34:45 AM
Using one amendment to defeat another. Brilliant.
 
2013-01-11 10:41:59 AM
This just seems to me like it's going to play out very badly for the Democrats.

/liberal who doesn't believe the 2nd amendment means a citizen is entitled to own guns, despite the SCOTUS ruling
//Obama voter, Bernie Sanders / Elizabeth Warren supporter
 
2013-01-11 10:43:55 AM
well they already were, regardless of the laws so lets just make it easy so we can quit with the "I can't tell you which guy who isn't named Obama to vote for..." *wink wink* *nudge nudge*.

I quit going to church the Sunday before election day because while I have great respect for my pastors' knowledge of all things biblical they are woefully short in the areas of science, economic theory, economic history, politics and to some extent, sadly, reality.
 
2013-01-11 10:44:02 AM
Because that's what a community organizer does.
 
2013-01-11 10:49:11 AM
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"It's not political.  It's homocidical."
 
2013-01-11 10:52:21 AM

BillCo: As a show of good faith, I think Obama should order the Secret Service to be disarmed.


You never disappoint.
 
2013-01-11 10:59:52 AM
I think it only works for black churches, Baptist preferred for some reason.
 
2013-01-11 11:10:05 AM
I don't get it. So they don't pay taxes. Forcing them to pay taxes would violate the first amendment. So what if they endorse candidates? Prohibiting them from doing so violates the first amendment.
 
2013-01-11 11:14:35 AM
Pay taxes and then you can talk about something other than the needs of the sad, angry sky Hebrew whose slaves you are.

/seriously, pay taxes.
 
2013-01-11 11:15:59 AM

jigger: I don't get it. So they don't pay taxes. Forcing them to pay taxes would violate the first amendment. So what if they endorse candidates? Prohibiting them from doing so violates the first amendment.


Have a seat.

This could take a while.
 
2013-01-11 11:23:29 AM
White House gun plan: An end run around the NRA

Is this the link or did the link change? If so, when did the NRA become a agency that the White House was supposed to clear things with?
 
2013-01-11 11:27:29 AM

dletter: I didn't think political "issues" were off limits, I thought just supporting political candidates were.


I'm sorry, but who did you think Reverend Al Sharpton was and what he did?
 
2013-01-11 12:44:28 PM
So churches will be in league with a Kenyon born Muslim socialist?
 
2013-01-11 12:49:54 PM
have people forgotten Mittens the morg already?
 
2013-01-11 12:57:49 PM
It's only okay when Republicans do it.
 
2013-01-11 01:06:02 PM
More divisive tactics by the white house.

We truly are a country in shambles.

As a side note. Every time I hear a politician talk about the 2nd amendment, and hunting together in one sentence... it becomes clear that they have an agenda and are misrepresenting the 2nd amendment.

the 2nd amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting. It has EVERYTHING to do with us, the "free" people of the US.. having the RIGHT to defend ourselves from a corrupt government who is overstepping their bounds as laid out in the constitution.

The constitution is just a pesky piece of paper that is getting in the way of their plans for tyranny.
Obama has bad mouthed the law of our land on several occasions. If a Republican had bad mouthed the constitution, they would be strung up.

The media is in the Democrats pockets.
 
2013-01-11 01:14:11 PM

jigger: I don't get it. So they don't pay taxes. Forcing them to pay taxes would violate the first amendment. So what if they endorse candidates? Prohibiting them from doing so violates the first amendment.


Forcing churches to pay taxes doesn't violate the first amendment. The first amendment says that no religion can be given more or less creedence than any other by the government. So tax all churches the same way, it's not a problem.
 
2013-01-11 01:22:23 PM

master_dman: More divisive tactics by the white house.

We truly are a country in shambles.

As a side note. Every time I hear a politician talk about the 2nd amendment, and hunting together in one sentence... it becomes clear that they have an agenda and are misrepresenting the 2nd amendment.

the 2nd amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting. It has EVERYTHING to do with us, the "free" people of the US.. having the RIGHT to defend ourselves from a corrupt government who is overstepping their bounds as laid out in the constitution.

The constitution is just a pesky piece of paper that is getting in the way of their plans for tyranny.
Obama has bad mouthed the law of our land on several occasions. If a Republican had bad mouthed the constitution, they would be strung up.

The media is in the Democrats pockets.


Just like Bush took away several freedoms with the Patriot Act?
 
2013-01-11 01:58:52 PM
One issue with the 2nd amendment that gets little consideration -
As a country, we were opposed to keeping a standing army until after WWII.
 
2013-01-11 02:48:30 PM
Pretty sure that's always been okay. They just aren't allowed to endorse specific candidates.
 
2013-01-11 03:09:34 PM

EighthDay: This just seems to me like it's going to play out very badly for the Democrats.

/liberal who doesn't believe the 2nd amendment means a citizen is entitled to own guns, despite the SCOTUS ruling
//Obama voter, Bernie Sanders / Elizabeth Warren supporter


I voted for obama, but hate Warren and Sanders (idiots both), and dont support Obama on many issues, but I'm fully with him on this. More gun control is always better than less. I hope Obama has the guts to fight hard on this issue.
 
2013-01-11 03:26:48 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: EighthDay: This just seems to me like it's going to play out very badly for the Democrats.

/liberal who doesn't believe the 2nd amendment means a citizen is entitled to own guns, despite the SCOTUS ruling
//Obama voter, Bernie Sanders / Elizabeth Warren supporter

I voted for obama, but hate Warren and Sanders (idiots both), and dont support Obama on many issues, but I'm fully with him on this. More gun control is always better than less. I hope Obama has the guts to fight hard on this issue.


I'm not saying it's not a fight worth having.

I just think it's going to come back and bite them due to the gun culture our society has fostered over the past decades.
 
2013-01-11 03:43:13 PM

master_dman: More divisive tactics by the white house.

We truly are a country in shambles.

As a side note. Every time I hear a politician talk about the 2nd amendment, and hunting together in one sentence... it becomes clear that they have an agenda and are misrepresenting the 2nd amendment.

the 2nd amendment has NOTHING to do with hunting. It has EVERYTHING to do with us, the "free" people of the US.. having the RIGHT to defend ourselves from a corrupt government who is overstepping their bounds as laid out in the constitution.

The constitution is just a pesky piece of paper that is getting in the way of their plans for tyranny.
Obama has bad mouthed the law of our land on several occasions. If a Republican had bad mouthed the constitution, they would be strung up.

The media is in the Democrats pockets.


As much as I admire you speaking truth, doing it on fark is like telling a brick wall the truth. Except a brick wall won't flip out and respond with grade A levels of derp.
 
2013-01-11 03:56:13 PM

Dear Jerk: One issue with the 2nd amendment that gets little consideration -
As a country, we were opposed to keeping a standing army until after WWII.


Uh, we have had a standing army since 1775. Sure, it has been quite small for various stretches of time, but we have had a standing army longer than we have been a country.
 
2013-01-11 05:00:32 PM
Non-profits cannot advocate for candidates or specific legislation. They can say whatever they want about issues of public concern.
 
2013-01-11 05:23:13 PM
As long as I agree with what they are saying, it's fine. If they advocate for something that I oppose, then it's an outrage.
 
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