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(The Grio)   Cory Booker admits gays used to disgust him back in the day. Republicans admit that all forms of sex disgust them to this day, except for the kind they get while cruising rest areas   (thegrio.com) divider line 25
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2013-01-11 08:56:21 AM  
6 votes:
If Cory Booker learned by 1990 that he should try to overcome his prejudice toward gay people, he was way ahead of the curve.
2013-01-11 08:37:39 AM  
6 votes:

Cythraul: I wonder what made him change his behavior? Probably deciding to become a politician.


Yes, no one ever changes their behavior as a result of introspection and changes in viewpoint.

Never happens.
2013-01-11 08:56:59 AM  
5 votes:
I've got a feeling there are a LOT of people who now support LGBT rights who, at one time or another, held views similar to Mayor Booker. I can count myself among that group. Until I went to college and was exposed to people who had different sexual orientations than myself, the idea of it freaked me out a bit. I had been told all my life that it was unnatural, sinful, etc., but once I saw that they were really no different than me in any way, all of that thinking began to disappear. It started out by making the obligatory "gay friend" and grew out of that. I have no reason to doubt that Mayor Booker is sincere in what he is saying. I also don't think he changed his views to score political points. People that do things to score political points generally come across as shallow pricks (a la Romney's Hurricane Sandy disaster relief efforts and Paul Ryan's photo-op at the soup kitchen). If Mayor Booker isn't genuine, he's done a really good job of hiding it.
2013-01-11 08:46:15 AM  
5 votes:

Cythraul: I wonder what made him change his behavior?


According to his op-ed he spoke to a gay counselor in college, who explained what it was like to be gay in America, and it reminded him of the stories he heard from his grandparents about prejudice against black people.  Could be bullsh*t, but it's a pretty good story.
2013-01-11 10:48:25 AM  
3 votes:

Lumpmoose: This. The original op-ed was an amazing, well-written account of a true LGBT ally in 1992 (not 1990, like TFA states). I never would of suspected a hack could twist it into a negative. The article is directly misleading with its bullshiat "By the end of his piece, Booker softened both his tone and view on LGBT people." line. Booker was already an ally in 1992; he was talking about the past and using it as a moral lesson. TFA is a complete hit piece.


Yup. It's also worth noting that Booker was all of ~22 years old at that point. His "past views" were as a teenaged male in the late 1980s, or a Division I college football player.

I'm willing to bet that a poll of teenaged males and/or Division I college football players in the late 1980s would show that the views ranged from "quietly hostile" to "openly hostile" to "has committed assault" on the topic of homosexuality. He was embracing the gay community at a time when there was no "political" benefit to doing so, and the opposite was likely true.
2013-01-11 10:47:41 AM  
3 votes:

Cythraul: The _______ friend. I love that old cliche. I wonder what made him change his behavior? Probably deciding to become a politician.


He was 21 when he penned his change in beliefs. He didn't run for office for another 8 years. Perhaps he grew up? Did you not change any of your beliefs after High School? Holy fark dude you're being harsh.
2013-01-11 10:09:10 AM  
3 votes:

TopoGigo: The actual op-ed was amazing. TFA's hack job, not so much. Follow the link.


This.  The original op-ed was an amazing, well-written account of a true LGBT ally in 1992 (not 1990, like TFA states).  I never would of suspected a hack could twist it into a negative.  The article is directly misleading with its bullshiat "By the end of his piece, Booker softened both his tone and view on LGBT people." line.  Booker was already an ally in 1992; he was talking about the past and using it as a moral lesson.  TFA is a complete hit piece.
2013-01-11 09:47:04 AM  
3 votes:

Utter Genius: Remember kids, gay-bashing is wrong unless it's a Republican.


You're responding to a guy who wrote an op-ed in a college newspaper in 1990 about letting go of his disgust for gay people and learning to embrace them. He made a public apology to the gay community at a time when virtually no one would have faulted him for being openly homophobic.

Editorial is here.
"It was chilling to find that so much of the testimony he shared with me was almost identical to stories my grandparents told me about growing up Black. People found it revolting to share a meal with them and often felt it to be their duty to beat them so that they would learn proper living. Well, it didn't take me long to realize that the root of my hatred did not lie with gays but with myself. It was my problem. A problem I dealt with by ceasing to tolerate gays and instead seeking to embrace them. In these efforts I have found another community with which I feel akin and from which I draw strength. The gay people with whom I am close are some of the strongest, most passionate and caring people I know and their demands for justice are no less imperative than those of any other community."
2013-01-11 09:39:28 AM  
2 votes:
Remember that hatred is giving them free rent in your mind.

Complete indifference keeps space free in your mind for things you like. Instead of hate or dislike my mind if full of porn.
2013-01-11 09:14:23 AM  
2 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: Koalaesq: Cythraul: Koalaesq: imontheinternet: Cythraul: I wonder what made him change his behavior?

According to his op-ed he spoke to a gay counselor in college, who explained what it was like to be gay in America, and it reminded him of the stories he heard from his grandparents about prejudice against black people.  Could be bullsh*t, but it's a pretty good story.

When Prop 8 was struck down in Cali, I remember there was a woman on TV saying how proud she was "as a black woman" to be able to vote down gay marriage. That just stunned me. I can't believe that a people who have been sh*t upon by America for so long would so willingly and happily do the same to gays. And no, it's not a defense to say "but they're just doing it because they believe in the bible", because the bible was used to justify slavery & racism, too. Stuff like that makes me a raging cynic about humanity.

I imagine religion helps to justify their bigotry to themselves.  It might not be the true motive for many African Americans who vote against gay rights, but it's a convenient excuse.

As for formerly persecuted humans who then later persecute others, there are plenty of philosophers who have said time and time again that this is a very common thing.

Who knows.  Maybe decades from now it'll be gay people voting against some other minority.

Who's currently hated more than the gheys? Furries?

Muslims.


atheists.
2013-01-11 08:57:41 AM  
2 votes:

Cythraul: Cyclometh: Cythraul: I wonder what made him change his behavior? Probably deciding to become a politician.

Yes, no one ever changes their behavior as a result of introspection and changes in viewpoint.

Never happens.

No one also ever decides to sanitize their opinions because they decide to go into politics.

Never happens.


So why didn't Chris Christie support gay marriage? He went into politics, didn't he?

I also changed my mind on gays over the years, yet I didn't decide go into politics. Now why would I do that?

/No I didn't get my dick sucked.
2013-01-11 08:42:37 AM  
2 votes:
1. I'm still jealous of any city or state that has Corey Booker working for it.

2. You're allowed to hate whoever you like within the privacy of your own head.
2013-01-11 08:36:24 AM  
2 votes:

BillCo: Woohoo, a totally trolling headline with a completely unrelated slam against Republicans.  This is why I pay my $5 a month.

It sure it neat to part of the cool kids club.


I get this crap for free.

Neener.
2013-01-11 08:27:21 AM  
2 votes:
"I was in my tolerance stage or the 'I don't give a damn if someone is gay, just as long as they don't bother me' stage. I was well trained in my tolerance," Booker began his piece. "I stopped telling gay jokes. F*gs, flamers, and d*kes became homosexuals and people of differing sexual orientation and, of course, I had a gay friend."

The _______ friend.  I love that old cliche.  I wonder what made him change his behavior?  Probably deciding to become a politician.

Booker also wrote about how he tried to hide his feelings a lot of the time, but when around gays could not help himself.

When around them?  That's almost farking pathological right there.
2013-01-11 11:48:51 AM  
1 votes:

SuperT: Who knows.  Maybe decades from now it'll be gay people voting against some other minority.

Who's currently hated more than the gheys? Furries?

Muslims.

atheists.


As an atheist, I know that I am not being discriminated or persecuted or oppressed. At least not openly or vociferously. I haven't tried to run for office to test out the limits of atheist-hate. However, living in San Francisco, being an atheist is a non-starter.

At the moment, I think the extremely poor are being oppressed and persecuted, the muslims to an extent, but only those who are overtly muslim, which really means the sikhs, who aren't muslim, for wearing the turban and have other sikh accoutrements.

Give it time. There's only so many different minority statuses. Eventually, people will learn to live in harmony with all of them. I'm hopeful for the future.
2013-01-11 10:47:10 AM  
1 votes:

mrshowrules: His honesty is refreshing.  He seems like he had a more progressive attitude in 1990 than most Republicans have today, 20 years later.

I think most men his age went through an arc of prejudice/bigotry on sexuality over the course of their lives.  I was bigoted in my thoughts in 1985 when I was 15.  I didn't start becoming less of an asshole until I was in my 20's.  I feel like I finally became mostly open-minded and accepting of homosexuality by the mid 1990s.  I blame my upbringing/peers to a large extent.  My kids will won't have those issues at any point in their lives hopefully.  The idea of thinking any less of anyone today based on their sexual preference would just make me ill today and seems pointless.  Even when I was dealing with my own attitudes, I have always been against institutional bigotry as I suspect/hope Booker is.


We're the same age - I probably could have written the exact same post. Had a little get together with a half-dozen good friends from high school who have scattered near and far for school, careers and marriage. I'd say we pretty much ALL shared a similar trajectory on this one.

Calling the guy a liar or someone just being political serves little purpose - if anything unconditional support should be offered if only to say to the next group of people "Hey, it's ok to pull your head out of your ass at some point and change the way you think...."
2013-01-11 10:25:38 AM  
1 votes:
His honesty is refreshing.  He seems like he had a more progressive attitude in 1990 than most Republicans have today, 20 years later.

I think most men his age went through an arc of prejudice/bigotry on sexuality over the course of their lives.  I was bigoted in my thoughts in 1985 when I was 15.  I didn't start becoming less of an asshole until I was in my 20's.  I feel like I finally became mostly open-minded and accepting of homosexuality by the mid 1990s.  I blame my upbringing/peers to a large extent.  My kids will won't have those issues at any point in their lives hopefully.  The idea of thinking any less of anyone today based on their sexual preference would just make me ill today and seems pointless.  Even when I was dealing with my own attitudes, I have always been against institutional bigotry as I suspect/hope Booker is.
2013-01-11 10:03:46 AM  
1 votes:

Cythraul: I wonder what made him change his behavior?  Probably deciding to become a politician.


This doesn't make any sense. He never said or did anything anti-gay as a public figure; he voluntarily shared his past anti-gay feelings.
2013-01-11 09:12:17 AM  
1 votes:

Koalaesq: I can't believe that a people who have been sh*t upon by America for so long would so willingly and happily do the same to gays.


Last place aversion?

Would you expect a house servant to look down on the field hads? I would.
2013-01-11 09:07:58 AM  
1 votes:

monoski: Granny_Panties: Cory Booker sucked and farked a man in 1990.

You did not read the article. He said he used to be disgusted, now he thinks they are FABULOUS


Not saying that Cory's gay - not seriously, anyway - but I have met gay men with a lot of self hatred who are disgusted by gay sex after the fact.  Doesn't stop them from seeking it out from time to time, though.
2013-01-11 08:57:59 AM  
1 votes:

MisterLoki: Cythraul: Naive morons make me chuckle.

Just to be clear, are you suggesting that Cory Booker is lying about his opinion on gay rights because it is such a universally popular position, vital to being elected mayor of Newark?

This Cory Booker?

People's opinions on things evolve with their life experiences.


He trips my gaydar.  Hmmm...
2013-01-11 08:57:34 AM  
1 votes:

Cythraul: Who knows.  Maybe decades from now it'll be gay people voting against some other minority.


My money's on Republicans. Though, that already happens.
2013-01-11 08:54:00 AM  
1 votes:

Cythraul: Naive morons make me chuckle.


Just to be clear, are you suggesting that Cory Booker is lying about his opinion on gay rights because it is such a universally popular position, vital to being elected mayor of Newark?

This Cory Booker?

People's opinions on things evolve with their life experiences.
2013-01-11 08:43:56 AM  
1 votes:
Naive morons make me chuckle.
2013-01-11 08:38:44 AM  
1 votes:
Cory Booker sucked and farked a man in 1990.
 
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